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Title: "Tolerance" Prohibits Promise Keepers?
Post by: JudgeNot on May 17, 2005, 11:44:47 AM
As I said in another post, "There is nothing meaner, uglier or more closed minded than a rabid liberal preaching tolerance and diversity."  

Groups say university stadium not suitable for Promise Keepers
BY MARSHA L. MELNICHAK Northwest Arkansas Times
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2005

Promise Keepers may bring many people and dollars to Fayetteville, but they also bring intolerance, according to a consortium of groups that say Razorback Stadium should not be used to promote a religious viewpoint. "I don’t think this singleminded group should have their meeting here. It’s not an all-encompassing group and we are promoting diversity at the university," said Marian Kunetka, an archeologist at the Arkansas Archeological Survey at the University of Arkansas.

"I have to look at the rest of it as freedom of religion. I can’t get past that. We have to give them that; but, I don’t think that they should be meeting in places like the university." "We try to promote thinking and critical analysis and then we let this huge meeting come in with this one narrow viewpoint and try to promote it to everyone on campus. There’s no way that competing viewpoints could get the stadium; they wouldn’t have enough people here," added Wanda Stephens, immediate pastpresident of the Arkansas National Organization of Women.

NOW, the Washington County Green Party and the OMNI Center for Peace, Justice and Ecology joined forces to voice concerns Sunday evening about the Promise Keepers rally scheduled June 10-11 at the University of Arkansas campus.

Promise Keepers is dedicated to igniting and uniting men to be passionate followers of Jesus Christ through the effective communication of Seven Promises, according to the group’s mission statement.

According to Dick Bennett, retired professor of English and president of the OMNI center, that very mission speaks to the groups intolerance of others. "They are extremely exclusive in favor of Christianity to the exclusion of all the other religions," Bennett said. "This is a very fundamentalist, intolerant religious organization. Even though they say they are open to all denominations, ethnic and cultural backgrounds, they really mean if those different peoples will convert to Christian," he said.

Bennett repeatedly accused Promise Keepers of being deceptive in promoting its tolerance.

He went through the seven promises one-by-one to make his points.

For example, he cited the Promise Keepers’ commitment to biblical values without identifying which biblical values, even though Bennett said the Bible has many contradictory values.

Promise No. 6, which speaks to "reaching beyond any racial and denominational barriers," sounds tolerant, Bennett said. "But the rest of the sentence says ‘to demonstrate the power of biblical unity.’ Well, biblical unity is to believe in the Trinitarian doctrine of the Christian church. So, it’s very deceptive, and I assume it’s deliberate," he said.

The Seventh Promise speaks to obedience to Jesus ’ Great Commandment of loving God and one’s neighbor and to the Great Commission, which calls Christians to "go make disciples."

No one in the room, he said, would argue with the Great Commandment, "but the Great Commission takes us back into this tangled and exclusive argument," he declared. "They’re calling on all people to be disciples of Jesus. If they were in their church, we wouldn’t have any problem with that. But they are on a public athletic field, and we think that this is inappropriate for the University of Arkansas," Bennett said.

For the Green Party, the issues with the Promise Keepers are numerous, according to Carol Tarvin, who described the Promise Keepers as wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Green Party members, she said, seek to preserve religious freedom and diversity and rejects the call to create a "Christian nation."

She quoted Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney as stating, "There’s coming a day when the strongest voice in America will be that of a Christian male." "We consider that a frightening prospect not only for women but for all people who subscribe to other forms of faith, as protected under the American Constitution," she said.

She added during the discussion, "If they want us to be submissive in the home, do they want us to be their bosses at work? Do they want us to get Ph. D. s in college? Do they want us to have financial independence? I don’t think so."

For NOW President Melanie Dietzel, the issue is the inappropriateness of a non-diverse group using the facilities of a diverse campus. "You’re inviting parents to bring their kids and you have this going on, on campus. What kind of message is that sending about their true dedication to diversity?" she asked. "My point is, our university is saying we have this diversity plan in place that we want to protect, encourage, support, be tolerant of all of this diversity. And yet, in our Razorback Stadium, we’re going to have speakers who have made these broad statements openly defying the philosophy of the university. I just think this flies in the face of what they’re promoting as the university’s real efforts at diversity."
Asked if the university might be allowing diversity by allowing the Promise Keepers to use the campus, Dietzel answered, "No. I am for freedom of speech and I am for freedom of religion, and I think it’s important to protect that, but not when it’s something designed to hurt other people. I’m not saying physically. Their rhetoric is certainly hurtful to people and I don’t think that’s something the university should encourage."

Tarvin, Bennett and Dietzel said their purpose is twofold. They want the university to bar Promise Keepers from the campus and they want to educate men who are going to these events so they have the opportunity to think beyond Promise Keepers’ rhetoric, to what they called the propaganda behind it.


Title: Re:"Tolerance" Prohibits Promise Keepers?
Post by: Bronzesnake on May 17, 2005, 12:22:59 PM
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Promise Keepers may bring many people and dollars to Fayetteville, but they also bring intolerance, according to a consortium of groups that say Razorback Stadium should not be used to promote a religious viewpoint. "I don’t think this singleminded group should have their meeting here. It’s not an all-encompassing group and we are promoting diversity at the university," said Marian Kunetka, an archeologist at the Arkansas Archeological Survey at the University of Arkansas


 What an incredibly ignorant, contradictory statement! How ironic that this genius preaches "tolerance" while at the same time foaming at the mouth with intolerance towards Christianity!! :D Truly amazing, and a real sign of the times. Just as in the days of Noah! :D

 Thanks for posting this article my brother.


Title: Re:"Tolerance" Prohibits Promise Keepers?
Post by: JudgeNot on May 17, 2005, 12:31:46 PM
If anyone would like to 'sound off' to the "reporter's" boss, and "commend" her for her "unbiased reporting" (did you note she gave no opposing viewpoints in her "news" article?) you may do so at:
http://nwanews.com/letter/?paper=nwat&section=News&storyid=28233 (http://nwanews.com/letter/?paper=nwat&section=News&storyid=28233)
I did.  :)

Let the editor know that you believe their reporting to be right up there with "Newsweek" and "Dan Rather" standards.  ;D


Title: Re:"Tolerance" Prohibits Promise Keepers?
Post by: M on May 17, 2005, 01:04:20 PM
I am interested to know if the organizers of the the Promise Keeper event were asking to use the stadium cost free.  They may have a list of charity and non-profits organizations that they allow free or discounted use of the stadium.  This would likely be a limited budget.  

I can't see the University turning down revenue.  I am sure that an organization such as Promise Keepers would require purchasing extra insurance against damages occuring at their event.  If the university is allowing sports games or music concerts there they are likely to have damages due to vandalism by drunken sports/music fans.  Damage or liability is a risk that the university takes in renting out its venues.  Certainly this organization or any family oriented event is low risk.  

I don't know much about the Promise Keepers.  Similarly, I am tired of the arguement about the Salvation Army not being allowed to collect money for charities in shopping malls and Walmart.  I have never found their displays or performances in bad taste.  I have been bothered by groups such as "Save the Dolphins" with aggressive and annoying solictitation (or groups suspected of supporting terrorism).  What happens is aggressive groups are banned.  They complain they are being discriminated against.  I first heard that "gay" activists were asking people to boycott the Salvation Army.  Later I heard some Christians were boycotting Salvation Army because they had to comply to a by-law to provide same-sex benefits to gays in San Franscisco.  (I doubt they had any working for them if they had to sign a morality clause).  Then the host decides that all charities will be banned, even good ones.  Anyway, no one is forcing people to attend the event.  

What other groups have been using the stadium?