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Would you like to have the knowledge, the assurance and the joy of sins forgiven? Would you like to be sure of heaven?

Well, the first step to heaven is to realize that you cannot get there by trying. You can't walk there. You can't climb there. You can't fly there. Only God can take you there.
Many try to earn heaven. They try to climb there on a ladder of good works. They talk about "adding another rung." But look out for that good works ladder! It's not anchored at the top and the higher you climb the farther you will fall.

God's Word says that salvation is "the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9). He is not
going to have boasters in heaven there are enough of them on earth and nobody likes them.

All of us should realize that even the best of us are not good enough for heaven, for "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23), but in this same statement the Apostle Paul declares that believers in Christ, who died for our sins, are "justified freely by His [God's] grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom. 3:24).

"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" (Rom. 5:1).

So, friend, it is not by trying, or crying, or praying, or paying, or doing anything that you will reach heaven: it is only by believing. God says He loves sinners, and that Christ died for our sins. Will you believe this and trust Christ as your Savior? The terms are stated very plainly in John 3:35,36:

"The Father loveth the Son and hath given all things into His hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life, and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."

DITTO  ;D

Michael, How many times have you been Born Again? Your a lot like Jimmy Swaggert, do you have a problems in the flesh with lust? I am here to help you Bro

Michael??????????????

         Ambassador4Christ;
      check out the following thread
http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=89

Thank you Forrest, but my apology means absolutely nothing to him, I could apologixe for a century, and crawl on my knees, and he would never forgive me, at least, not until I accept his OSAS  doctrine, which I will never do because it is not a sound Biblical doctrine it is a lie, and I refuse to follow a lie!

I apologized, God requires that he forgive me, he will not, that is his own choice (Matthew 6:15), I forgive him, and Pilgrim, and blackeyedpeas.....

Thanks Forrest

Thanks Michael, your a good brother.

Michael, The Bible says:

"He that is soon angry deals foolishly: and a man of wicked devices is hated." Proverbs 14:17

"He that is slow to wrath is of great understanding: but he that is hasty of spirit exalts folly." Proverbs 14:29

"The discretion of a man defers his anger; and it is his glory to pass over a transgression." Proverbs 19:11

"Be not hasty in your spirit to be angry: for anger rests in the bosom of fools." Ecclesiastes 7:9

"He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty..." Proverbs 16:32

"A wrathful man stirs up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeases strife." Proverbs 15:18

"But now you must also put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth." Colossians 3:8

"Let all bitterness, wrath, janger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice." Ephesians 4:31

You might also want to diligently look very closely at those same verses of scripture yourself, and think about the manner in which you have hatefully, and very sarcastically insulted me, and many others in the past here in these forums, and rightly apply the same Biblical truths to your own life...[/size]CRUSADER!![/u][/color]  ...BTW, I FORGIVE YOU!! You, ought also to do the same, in the like example of true Christian Love...   ;D

LIE #1 More to come...

Michael
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    MICHAEL, I WANT YOU TO......
« on: April 15, 2003, 10:29:48 PM »    

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I KNOW THERE A FEW WHO HATE ME BECAUSE OF MY BELIEFS (PILGRIM, BLACKEYEDPEAS, AMBASSADOR4CHRIST, I AM CERTAIN) SO GO AHEAD, SPEAK YOUR HEART....  

I NEVER SAID I HATE YOU, AND I DONT BELIEVE PILGRIM OR BLACKEYEPEAS EVER SAID THEY HATE YOU. YOU BANNED ,me from your SILLY POLL, thats fine. I hope you stay, and grow up a little. I NEVER SAID YOU WILL BURN IN HELL BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN LOSE YOUR SALVATION. YOU THINK YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE CHRISTIANS WITH YOUR LIES, YOU WILL NOT FOOL ME OR MOST OF GOD. YOU HAVE SAID I WILL BURN IN HELL MANY TIMES, BECAUSE I AM SAVED FOR ALL ETERNITY. YOU NEED HELP

Michael, The Bible says:

"The heart of the righteous studies to answer: but the mouth of the wicked pours out evil things." Proverbs 15:28
"He that has knowledge spares his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit. Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." Proverbs 17:27-28

"He that answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame unto him." Proverbs 18:13

"A talebearer reveals secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit conceals the matter." Proverbs 11:13

"Whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles."
Proverbs 21:23

"He that covers a transgression seeks love; but he that repeats a matter separates very friends." Proverbs 17:9

"A man has joy by the answer of his mouth: and a word spoken in due season, how good is it!" Proverbs 15:23

"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you wi th meekness and fear" 1 Peter 3:15

"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how you ought to answer every man." Colossians 4:6

"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." 1 Corinthians 2:1-5 (What an excellent Scriptural example of how we should speak when ministering to others.)

Hello Once Again Crusader!!![/color][/size]

I see you haven't changed in the least! Still posting scriptures you, yourself ought to apply diligently to your own life, while pointing a finger of critical accusations at others, and you do this even when the person you are pointing that finger of condemnnation at has:[/b] SINCERELY APOLOGIZED TO YOU!!![/b]Tell me something[/size]CRUSADER[/size][/color]Is that your definition of Christs sincere love for others?

 I admitted I did wrong, and I posted a sincere apology, and you have rejected that apology, and offered absolutely no form of any forgiveness on your part, so then, as for your post # 134: What exactly would you expect me think of you and Pilgrim, and blackeyedpeas as not even one of you have said one word of forgiveness to me, nor have even one of you indicated in anyway that you have accepted my apology!

This does not surprise me though, most ( CERTAINLY NOT ALL, THANK GOD) people who believe the doctrine you believe poitn their fingers of accusation passing false judgements ion others and condemnning them while they themselves say look at what a perfect saint I am!

That's why I refuse to follow the doctrine you believe, it's a lie, and the proof of that fact is in the lives of many who follow it!

Michael, The Bible says:

"Man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD." Deuteronomy 8:3

"Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not." Proverbs 8:33

"the just shall live by faith." Habbakuk 2:4

"Hear counsel, and receive instruction, that you may be wise in your latter days." Proverbs 19:20

"faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17

"For the LORD gives wisdom: out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding." Proverbs 2:6

"But as for you, continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:14-17

Hello again Crusader![/i][/size]


What makes you think[/b][/i][/size] GOD[/b][/i][/size][/u] would ever want me to change my christian beliefs, and my Christian walk with him from his absolute truth to a denominational lie?  I really have to laugh at that one!  ;D

I will NEVER change, I am living in the very best of Gods truth already, what would ever make me want to reject that truth, and follow a false doctrine?

I already have a very clear understanding of exactly what ALL of Gods word has to say about salvation, and what a person MUST DO TO KEEP THAT SALVATION INTACT SO THEY REALLY CAN HAVE ETERNAL SECURITY!

You might want to try searching ALL of Gods word for truth, you'd be surprised just how wrong your doctrine really is if you did!

I'm praying for you as well!  

Praying you will be delivered from the bondage you are in, and the lie you are deceived by.

You need not concern yourself with your question: "Michael Are You Sure"

I am comfidently definite, and definitely confident, that I am saved, in fact, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever about it!

I don't have to be a Once Saved Always Saved believer, and oh golly gee, I certainly do not have to a memebr of that infamous religuious group (denomination) known as the Church Of Christ, to be saved!

I was once a Baptist, yes sir, a devout, hardshell, defender of the lie you now promote!

But I praise God everyday that he delivered me far from that lie into his absolute truth!

What am I now?

I am absolutelty, and unashamedly, full Gospel!

I believe ALL of Gods word, and I mean ALL of it, every word, on every page, in every chapter, of each and every book!

God has never changed, and I am definitely certain that he never will change and his word has never changed, and will  never change because it is absolutely impossible for God to lie about anything, and he said:

I am the Lord: I change not! Malachi 3:6

I will not break my covenant, nor alter ANYTHING that has gone forth out of my lips! Psalm 89:34

The OSAS doctrine changes Gods word,  butchering his truth, and perverting, and corrupting even those scant few verses of scripture it's defenders, and teachers use to support it!

I am definitely confident, and even more confidently definite that there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of my ever rejecting Gods absolute truth for the lie of OSAS![/color][/i][/size]

DITTO BACK AT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it seem to me that every thread I go on there is some remark about Michael, I don't know what he has done to you but I do know that he has apologies to you and others. But you will not except it, You keep it going using verses in you sarcasm knowing that you will make him mad. Why can't you except his apology and move on or at the very least keep it to one thread not the entire board. And Michael don't let anyone rent any space in your head. When you let someone anger you , you let them control you. And when you type in big bold letters people interpid it as agression. Can't we all just get alone ???

I mean no aggression, or anger by anything I post, I am just a very bold, straightforward person, I grew up in a home where extreme violence ruled the day, every moment, of each minute of every day, so I learned from a very. very young age how to stand up and defend myself agaisnt physical abuse.

I am sorry if I have offended you personally, please forgive me, as I have stated before however, I cannot and will not apologize for my beliefs.

OK  ;D

Who ever said you had to changs your beliefs?????? I never said you would burn in hell, your the one that said that. I never said your doctrine came from the Pit of Hell, you also said that. I could go on and on about what you said about others and myself. But I will stop here. I am praying for you.

P.S. I love you  ;D

Michael you did not offened me ;)so there is no need to apologize to me

But I would like to know on what thread this all started so I could read it. Thanks :)

Drake, Michael started it all, but DELETED over 20 remarks he made about others and me. It was his war not mine. I just was having fun. The war is over. "PEACE"  ;D

Ok, thank you Ambassador4 christ. or what shall I call you ???

Oklahoma Howdy to Drake,

You can't read it, as he deleted all of his posts. You are getting about 1/4 of the story. I, for one, have chosen to completely ignore and not even read some posts. This is the last you will hear me say anything about this subject. I come here for fellowship.

Oklahoma Howdy to Drake,

I think "A Brother In Christ" would be fine. That's what most of us call him.

me too.

(http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/2084/herman4.jpg)

So then this next quote here, does this make God a liar?

Zec 11:10
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
Zec 11:11
And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

Thanks again Bro

And Thank You "BROTHER"  ;D

God will keep His covenant with Israel, this will be done in the future. Hint, after the Rapture  ;D

QUESTION: Are you KJV Only? If Yes, Why?

Yeah I know I was just curious what Mikee had to say.  It's almost.. no it's quite humorous how mad he gets over OSAS.  If only he would be a biblicist.   :-[


If I've got the best there's not point to messing with less.   ;D

God bless,
Jason

 

OK Bro











and one DITTO  ;D

Michael, Michael, Did Michael, leave the ChristiansUnite Forums???  

Are you a Christian? Are you going to heaven one day? Are you saved? Most people, when asked one of these questions will respond: "I think so," or "I hope so," or possibly "I don't know." Many who "think so" or "hope so" are not saved, because they have never trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior. Yet, many who have trusted Christ as Savior have no real assurance of their salvation. They cannot say, "I know that I'm saved."

Can we truly know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that we are saved from our sins? The answer, found in the Scriptures, is "Yes!" Let's look at three things taught in the Scriptures that assure us of our personal salvation.

The Word of God

God has promised us eternal life in His Word, and He has provided this wonderful life through His Son.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)

The promise is that whoever believes in the Son "has everlasting life." Notice that it doesn't say that the person who belives may one day obtain everlasting life, but that the person "has" everlasting life, the very moment they believe in Him. The gospel of John repeats this wonderful promise many times. In fact, one of the key reasons the book of John was written was that, "... you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:31).

In keeping with this stated purpose, John records Jesus' use of the expression "most assuredly" (translated "verily, verily" in the KJV) twenty five times. In the Greek it is "amen amen." The word "amen" comes from a root word which means "firm." It could be translated "surely" or "truly." It is closely akin to the Hebrew word for "believe" or "faithful." When the word "amen" is repeated, it becomes an expression of absolute trust and confidence. Jesus used this expression in John 5:24 to assure us of God's promise.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

We know that God's Word is true, therefore it gives us assurance. Titus 1:2 tells us that we have the "hope (i.e. the confidence, assurance) of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began." The 119th Psalm, which is a testimony to God's Word, says, "The entirety of Your Word is true, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever" (verse 160).

The Bible is God's testimony to us, written that we may know that we are saved.

"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, ..." (I John 5:13)

Many people today are listening to the traditions and teachings of men or religious organizations instead of listening to the testimony of God's Word. The only source of absolute truth is the Word of God. Be assurred. We can know that we are saved because God's Word promises eternal life to those who believe in the finished work of His Son.

Quote Ambassador 4 Christ:
The Word of God

God has promised us eternal life in His Word, and He has provided this wonderful life through His Son.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." (John 3:36)

The promise is that whoever believes in the Son "has everlasting life." Notice that it doesn't say that the person who belives may one day obtain everlasting life, but that the person "has" everlasting life, the very moment they believe in Him. The gospel of John repeats this wonderful promise many times. In fact, one of the key reasons the book of John was written was that, "... you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:31).

In keeping with this stated purpose, John records Jesus' use of the expression "most assuredly" (translated "verily, verily" in the KJV) twenty five times. In the Greek it is "amen amen." The word "amen" comes from a root word which means "firm." It could be translated "surely" or "truly." It is closely akin to the Hebrew word for "believe" or "faithful." When the word "amen" is repeated, it becomes an expression of absolute trust and confidence. Jesus used this expression in John 5:24 to assure us of God's promise.

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

We know that God's Word is true, therefore it gives us assurance. Titus 1:2 tells us that we have the "hope (i.e. the confidence, assurance) of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began." The 119th Psalm, which is a testimony to God's Word, says, "The entirety of Your Word is true, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever" (verse 160).

The Bible is God's testimony to us, written that we may know that we are saved.

"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, ..." (I John 5:13)

Many people today are listening to the traditions and teachings of men or religious organizations instead of listening to the testimony of God's Word. The only source of absolute truth is the Word of God. Be assurred. We can know that we are saved because God's Word promises eternal life to those who believe in the finished work of His Son.


AMEN  :)

(http://smiliez.de/images/126.gif) Well put A4C (http://smiliez.de/images/126.gif)

John here:
Peter has a message of inspiration for us in 2 Peter 3:15-16. It is telling us of some who did not understand Paul. Peter was Inspired to pen...
"As also in [all of his epistles], speaking in them of these things; in which some things hard to be understood, [which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest], AS [DO THEY ALSO THE OTHER SCRIPTURE], unto their own destruction."

(but it is mostly others that I am concerned with. See 1 Peter 4:17)

Philippians 3;12-18 is mans numbered writting of Paul. Periods, coma's were added by man. Yet, it is easy to understand by a truely converted person. (even others understand these passages in other denominational folds)

Lets look at verse 19 [up] to verse 11 in reverse & in part, and some added highlights? (kind of like my Jewish Bible. only no N.T.)

"For [many] walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you EVEN WEEPING, that they ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST."  :'(, how many today feel this sorrow?

Then we see the part of Paul's confussion for others in these Wordings.. "Let US THEREFORE, [AS MANY BE PERFECT] be thus minded." He claims PERFECTION if we understand his Words! To find out what to be 'THUS MINDED' means we need the next verse up! (conditional) Yet, this verse does not stand alone like some would have you to 'believe'! Paul continues on...

"I PRESS TOWARD THE MARK FOR THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS."
The Mark is ahead of this saint! And he states that... 'I press TOWARD the MARK'. (like an errow being shot)

Perfect as long as one was IN CHRIST JESUS! Rom. 8:1. As was CAIN as long as he obeyed, in following Christ. Gen. 4:7
Perfect as long as the 'sin unto DEATH had not been reached by being FINISHED! See James 1:15 & 1 Jn. 5:16-17. MATURITY either way!

Now: Paul really confounded some, huh? For he says... "Brethern, I count NOT MYSELF TO HAVE APPREHENDED: BUT THIS ONE THING I DO, forgetting those things which are behind, and REACHING FORTH unto those things which are before, .."
Sure seems like it would have taken a Ph.D. to garble this understanding up? Yet, Peter told us what the real problem was, huh?

And now in the first verse, we have it a little more forcefully put even! Paul totally contradicts himself by Peter's definition of the unlearned & unstable. Notice:

"Not as THOUGH I HAD ALREADY ATTAINED, EITHER WERE ALREADY PERFECT: BUT I FOLLOW AFTER, [IF] THAT I MAY APPREHAND THAT FOR WHICH ALSO [I AM APPREHENDED OF CHRIST JESUS."

It IS NOT THE MASTER THAT SAYS FOR YOU TO TELL THE WORLD THAT YOU ARE PERFECT. It comes from ANOTHER source! See Eph. 6:12. :'(
For [ALL] OF THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL PROMISES OF GOD & THE EVERLASTING COVENANT  PROMISES OF GOD, ARE ETERNALLY CONDITIONAL! Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20.

---John

PS: I always check the [top] square below, but never receive a notified response. So I will not react to this post unless I fall upon it by providence. So 'jab' away ya'all!
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Thanks Sister  ;D

The Work of Christ

Many of the doubts and fears that people have about their salvation are due to the mistaken idea that they must do something in order to be saved: good works, attending church, keeping the ordinances, etc. When we come to understand that salvation is by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, we can be assured of our salvation.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Eph. 2:8-9)

This verse of Scripture makes it clear that salvation is not because of us or because of our works. It is a gift from God. Titus 3:5 declares that salvation is "not by works of righteousness which we have done." Our salvation is based on the finished work which the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished for us on Calvary. Just before Jesus died, He cried with a loud voice, "It is finished!" (John 19:30). When Jesus died on that cross, He finished the work the Father had sent Him to do; He "paid in full" the price for our sins. The word "finished" is in the perfect tense which means that the work was finished in time past and remains finished with continuing results.

The work of Christ is the only work required for our salvation. Nothing needs to be added to what He has done. We are "complete in Him" (Col. 2:10).

"Therefore He is able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them." (Heb. 7:25)

Only the Lord Jesus Christ has the power to save a person from their sins. As poor lost sinners we are powerless to do anything to save ourselves (Rom. 5:6-8). Jesus saves "to the uttermost." He provides perfect, complete salvation to all who come to God "through Him." God's promise of eternal life is "in His Son," and "all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God" (II Cor. 1:20).

People who are depending upon themselves or their own good works for salvation, do not understand what it means to "trust" in Christ as Savior. Be assured Jesus Christ has done all the work necessary to accomplish your salvation. He alone has the power to save, and He saves completely all who simply trust in and rely upon Him.

"In Him (Christ) you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise." (Eph. 1:13)

Salvation comes through hearing the word of truth, the gospel of Jesus Christ, and trusting in Him as Savior. The very moment we believe, which is what the expression "having believed" means, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise. This sealing identifies the believer as a child of God, protects and secures the believer in Christ, and guarantees that God's promise of eternal life with Him will be realized.

The Holy Spirit Himself is the guarantee (Eph. 1:14). He comes to dwell within the heart of each believer (Rom. 8:9,14-15) and will remain until the day of redemption, when Christ will come to catch His church up into glory (Eph. 4:30).

Many people rely too much on their feelings or emotions to determine whether they are saved or not. Feelings can often mislead us. Just because we are feeling down or even depressed does not mean we are not saved. As the Holy Spirit indwells us, He "bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God." This is more than just a feeling or a fleeting emotion. The Holy Spirit testifies to our spirit through the Word of God and assures us that our salvation is based on the facts of God's Word and our faith in Him, rather than upon mere feelings.

The Holy Spirit also produces fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Gal. 5:22-23). These are more than just simple human emotions. Love is the ability to unselfishly care for another person. Joy is deep down and lasting, whereas happiness may come and go. True peace of heart and mind is produced in us by the Holy Spirit, because He assures us that we have peace with God through the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 5:1).

Oklahoma Howdy to Ambassador4Christ,

AMEN!

Thank you Brother. Complete and 100% assurance of Salvation is another beautiful blessing from God. Doubt and uncertainty are of man, not GOD. Almighty God can and will keep and preserve HIS children.

The GOOD SHEPHERD will not leave, forsake, or lose even one of HIS flock.

In Christ.

Thanks Bro, AAAAAAAAAAAAMEN!

The coming of our Lord draweth nigh. Satan's last-day evangelism is in full swing. God's people must study His Word, proclaim it, stand on it and, if necessary, die by it.
"When the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on earth?"

You are truly confused aren't you?  I see nothing in his post of works to gain or lose salvation.  Good works are an outward sign to MEN of ones heart not God.  But you seem to have a hard time understanding english anyway.  It would be aparent that one was not saved if they should flee and deny the LORD simply because of a little persecution.  It would be a true sign of faith for one to stand firm in the LORD.  You seem to stand firm on you "keeping the law".

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John here,
Inspiration says: "He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His comments, IS A LIAR, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM."
1 John 2:4

"To the (no. 1) LAW and to the (no. 2) TESTIMONY: if THEY speak not ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM." Isa. 8:20

Bottom line FORUM?? [LIAR], TRUTH/LESS],+ [LIGHTLESS]!
---John

Too bad you still can't figure out what Jesus' commandments were.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D