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I would like to know your views.

Scriptures also.

Well i'll say this, I've not found any Scriptures to support or refute the claim of "Gospel Rap" being a style of music. Personally I don't listen to the music myself. I know it may have Christian Lyrics, however, it's just not my cup of tea. To me, if I can't understand the lyrics or i can't sense the flow of music, i won't listen to it. It's just noise. And sometimes that's what rap is to me, it's noise. I play Acoustic Guitar by ear and by sheet music so I look for the flow of the music. What goes where, and what's in and out of place. what can make it better and what is lacking. That's what I look for in the music. I just can't find that in "Gospel Rap" However, that's just my own view. I'm not going to put it down because it would be wrong of me too...but it does have the potential of being associated with the World because there's a fine line there and most often if a person hears "Gospel Rap" they migght think they're listening to secular music and won't pay any attention to the words...I don't know. All i'm going to say is that if it doesn't glorify God then it shouldn't be played. And if it has the possibility of being associated with the world due to the style, then I'd suggest not doing it because Scripture says "Do not be conformed to the world, rather set your affections on things above" - Colossians 3:1 Just a few thoughts to shoot across your bow. Not to discourage or put anything down, but i'm just bringing up some points to consider. :) Oh by the way...i'm 17 so I know a bit about the new stuff coming out. :) God Bless

Joshua

You might have to explain just what you mean by "Gospel Rap" to an old fart like me.   Is it that type of singing where there is no musical accompaniment?  It is  quickly spoken word in a rhythmic beat?  

If the word content was scriptural and expressing good Christian doctrine, I couldn't say that was all too bad.  Imagine a group of youngsters all excited about the Bible.  They would say "Let's have a scriptural reciting contest" and invite all their friends.  Everyone would be well behaved and have a good time.  Many would hear the Good News and be saved.  It is what Gospel rap is about?

To be fan of the worldly rap (and fans of the gospel rap would be or at least be influenced by it), they would be following the fashions and attitudes of the worldly rap.  That is: the baggy pants, the gangster attitude, the disrespect for authority, the drug and crime culture.  The baggy pant fashion has come about by imitating young men who have been in jail.  They lost weight in jail so their pants became baggy and in jail they could not wear belts.  The baggy pants also allows gangsters to hide their weapons.  There is enough problem with young ladies dressing immodestly and exposing their underwear and the young men are doing this as well.  If the rap culture could be totally disassociated from the music, then our youth might be safe.  

Music publishing companies (even Christian ones) rely on marketing gimmicks.  Rap gospel is just another marketing gimmick as was "Christian Heavy Metal" and other types of "Christian" music.  I think parents have to have some discretion.  They might not allow the regular rap music in their home due to the word content.  

Being the uncool old fart Christian I am, I don't really care about the world's newest fashions in clothing and music because I know by next year it will all be "out".  I prefer the Bible since it has been around a long long time. I don't rap it; I read it.

Quote: "And if it has the possibility of being associated with the world due to the style, then I'd suggest not doing it because Scripture says"
This can be said of sweat suits
Jeans, sneakers, cell phones, timberland boots, fancy cars, poetry, a live band, etc. The world is doing everything and santan seeks to destroy everything that is any good.
In the book of psalm we are told to make a joyful noise unto the LORD. So if my noise is rapping about Jesus Christ, being the way the truth and the light...

Hey, we all have different tastes and preferences in music don't we? As long as it's from Jesus, it's all good. However, I think we have to also consider the lifestyle of the people playing the music also. I'll give you an example of what I mean.

 I was a singer in a hard rock band for many years - I was the main writer in the band, and I wrote Christian themes into all my lyrics. I cleverly disguised the Christian themes because the other guys in the band weren't interested in that at all. Even though I wasn't what we would know as "born again" at that time. I believed in Jesus, but I hadn't asked Him into my life, and therefore I was living an unChristian lifestyle - I was living a "rock star" lifestyle  :-[ (I am ashamed of that now). I thought I was going to Heaven no matter what I did.  :-\ (being a moron at the time)

There was a very popular and fairly successful band back then that was a "Christian" metal band - and they were billed, and promoted as a Christian metal band, which was almost unheard of at that time. I think they were called 'Striper' (can't recall...getting old :-[) They sang Gospel lyrics in their metal band. The problem with those guys was that they were also living the "rock star" lifestyle - women - drink - drugs...etc. So a lot of the people who were into them and their kind of "christianity" (small c) also believed it was ok to live that way. Kids especially, imitate their heroes.

So, yes, I think any music that has Jesus as a main factor is very good, however, the artists must be saved Christians, and live accordingly. No violent overtones - no "bling bling" hanging - no "beehotches" in cellophane wrap bikinis...etc.

Bronzesnake

AMEN!!! AND BY THE WAY BRONZESNAKE WHAT DOES YOU NAME MEAN?

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF TRUE GOSPEL RAP.

Free


 

Performed by The Ambassador

Written by William Branch

Produced by Lee Jerkins for Rock Soul Productions

Recorded by Vince Delorenzo

Mixed by Jim Bottari

Published by Cross Movement Music & Publishing (SESAC) &

Soul Rock Music (BMI)

 

Hook:

I wanna know if you wanna know which way to go,

it's a narrow road, and if you carry loads, you can be set free

I don't care about the car you drive...  are you alive?

This is do or die, so you and I need to be totally free

 

Verse One:

Who you wanna be like, a man or woman with vision to see right?

Do you have any passion to be right, or be light?

Shinin' like you're a diamond or would it be tight

to roll with a cat, who holds a gat and lets the weed light?

Quick to brawl and get involved in a street fight

Quick to ball, forget it yall, he's enthralled with street life

He's gotcha thinking that he's hype but these type

never sleep tight they stay awake countin' the sheep, right?

He's got the sweet life?  Please!  "Sike!"

He's phony, he's really lonely that's why he clubs every week night

He can't handle the storm, he's like a cheap kite

He need's Christ, he's the opposite of Levite:

Unholy and a contradiction like "FREE PRICE,"

blind as a bat or better yet blind as three mice

Either way you look at it the crooks get it,

don't look at me like I'm pathetic, the Book said it!

 

Repeat Hook
 

Verse Two:

Do you wanna be the kind of sis' that does work with a kiss

workin' her hips, and gotta use a skirt and a twist

I'm certain of this, love's what you're searchin' for, Miss

but earth's an Abyss so that love you're certain to miss

‘cause most guys from birth, grow to be guys that flirt

putting sweet lies to work so as to disguise the purp(ose)

which is to shoot the gift, just to get you to shift

your views cause if he can make you switch

He's got the tools to get in the "skins,"

you know that that's been the trend

Why would he get a wife when he can just get a "friend,"

and with a little gin after a spin in the Benz

with some R&B he can "hit" again and again

 

I know it's sort of bugged but now I'm sailing on the waters of

experience, I know a wife and a daughter's love

So I'm up on things that pertain to "dime pieces"

My mind reaches to share things that remain after my rhyme ceases

Let him keep the cheese, never let him eat for free

Let him meet your needs and never let him sleep and leave

God's plan is that you marry so the creep must cleave

and learn about a woman's worth like Alicia Keys

 

Dudes and dudettes should both do that

So I'm exposing this like film when light gets to it

You need to learn about the way the righteous do it

You gotta see what life looks like when Christ gets to it

 

Repeat Hook
 

Bridge:

I wanna know if you wanna know (which way go?)

People, it's a narrow road (it's His way or no!)

There's too much weight on ya (dude, can't ya see?)

You need truth dropped straight on ya (so you can be free!)

 

Verse Three:

This is a call to introspection

Some interjection into men's perspect

since God calls them into question,

all their mindsets and their behavioral patterns

"I gave you a pattern,” He says, “but I'm afraid you're an Adam.”

So you're made in a manner that we called depraved and this grammar

It’s just a big word to describe that you're enslaved and you cannot

find the power to even do the good you desire

That's even bugged that's like trying to match the good with Empire

[‘Cause] we're the dark-side

Life is rougher and tougher than shark's hide

We walk by dissin' the same God who on the cross died

For once we need a people with vision that’s Cross-eyed

So we can focus on where hope is with our jaws wide open

Man, I be hoping all people will all cry out

to the Savior cause the Judge ain't lettin' y’all slide

'Cause He's the Love Boat now but I panic

'Cause y’all don't understand that He'll be the Titanic

And take under, some men with [a] great thunder

He's the great wonder, shunnin’ Him’s the great blunder

See it's costly, while y’all see the floss,

we see what God sees, that it's awfully fake like false teeth

Whether legit or the fast route, when you cash out

you'll see that "Ice" is like Frosty in the glass house

And beauty is vain, won't truly remain,

you act like you'll be the same, imagine you with a cane

or you with a chain rusted, or you with the pains of time

doing the same of what it's done to every human who came before

Now how would that be?  My point exactly, nuff said, come on and be set free.


AMEN.

Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.  

 Cool lyrics Lisa.

Bronzesnake

Silver did you read the Gospel Rap lyrics that I posted?
Or ade you not willing to see the light.
The Gopel of Jesus Christ is in those Lyrics. The Gospel is not worldly. All gospel rap is , is poetry to a beat. And the last time I checked GOD has them both in the bible and he is not mad at either 1.
Now if I rap to music or not if I am giving the Gospel who can say that I'm being like the world if I am presenting the Gospel in a unique way. Pastors do it. They all have a different style in the way that they teach.
Read the lyrics first silver.

CHECK THIS OUT AND YOU MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS WORD. BLASPHEME. this is what you have just done. You have called GOD's work through His Holy Spirit the work of the world.
Now I know you must read the word as you do this board because in the begining of the ryme it cleary states who wrote it, and it was not me!!! That alone should make you feel a little some type way. (THATS HOW I TALK).
Also Cross Movement is a Saved Gospel Group the are missionaries for CHRIST. Check them out http://www.crossmovementrecords.com/
Now I will give you something from me so that you can tell me how it is "of the world" when the world in fact hates it and rather not hear it!!!
poem= Are you lost in love or confused by it's meaning?
Have you found and unstable crutch and you refuse to stop leaning?
Trapped by your love, lost in their lies, looking for answers,
but not with your eyes
Refusing to leave as if staying is wise.
They give their love to others while your love just lays their and dies. Soaked with your tears, drowning in your cries. Hoping for changes, ignoring goodbyes.
I understand the struggle, so heres my advice;
You're so lost in love that you can't find its true meaning.
Well, it's only on THE LORD that you should be leaning!=

I am seeking the lost. And we have a large generation of youth that won't listen. So if souls are being won for CHRIST through Gopel Rap (MANY ARE) how can you say it is the work of the devil?
to view more of my poems go to www.poetry.com ans search under Lisa Gore

Lyrics: FLAME
 
 

Real One


Written by: Marcus T.W. Gray

Produced by: J.R. for So Hot Productions

Performed by: FLAME



Verse 1: From these times now and back down to Biblical

days/ counterfeit Jesus' have raised in the ages/ searched

the pages of the Biblion the Holy Bible not the holy quran/

no/ Jesus warns us what would come after/ Matthew the

24th chapter/ "For many will come in my name sayin' 'I am

the Christ'"/ but they're really actors/ Woe unto those who

chose and teaches/ a non-Biblical Jehovah Jesus/ woe/

they might use the name but read in anotha' meanin'/ we

must put a stop to the doctrine of demons/ I must run this

it might get hostile/ we don't want the Christ of Oneness

Pentecostals/ we want the incarnate Christ of the

apostles/ the pre-existent Son, the One of the gospel


Hook: We want the Real One/ I teach the GodMan homie/

Represented through Christians is the real Jesus/ We want

the Real One/ I preach the GodMan whoodi/ represent the

authentic and real Jesus/ We want the Real One/ I teach

the GodMan son/ represented through Christians is the

real Jesus/ We want the Real One/ I preach the GodMan

dirty/ represent the authentic and real Jesus


Verse 2: You're bound to drown in a broken ship/ if your

hope is in the Jesus of Joseph Smith/ woe/ that doctrine

will have your life stormin'/ come to the knowledge of

Christ not to the one of the Mormons/ Jesus is not Lucifer's

spiritual brother/ and the heavenly Father did not have sex

with his mother/ Mary/ scary I seen them two dudes in my

'hood/ tellin' me God was a man at first and progressed to

His Godhood/no/ eternal is the Godhead/ the Father has

always been God that's what the 90th Psalm says/ Keep

your eyes on Jehovah's witness who mistranslates 1:1 of

John in the Holy Scriptures/ they say more to get your mind

tangled/ they deny Jesus is God but the incarnate Michael

the archangel/ if no angel was called the Son in Hebrews

1/ Then why is Jesus called the Son

Thi'sl & Flame

Unless it points to the Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, then it's not the Gospel. The difference between Pastors teaching and this rapping, is the sole purpose of the Pastor is to point to the Lord Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection on the Cross. Without the death and the resurrection, there would not be a church. Here's what Paul the Apostle had to say on the issue:

Galatians 1:6-10

6I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

    10For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

Here is the Gospel presented in true form from Peter himself:

Acts 2:22-38

22"Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know-- 23Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[c] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25For David says concerning Him:
       "I foresaw the LORD always before my face,
       For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
       26Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
       Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
       27For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
       Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
       28You have made known to me the ways of life;
       You will make me full of joy in Your presence.'[d]

   

    29"Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,[e] 31he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

    34"For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:
       "The LORD said to my Lord,
       "Sit at My right hand,
       35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."'[f]

   

    36"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

    37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

    38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.

See Peter preached Christ crucified, buried and resurrected. He spoke the Gospel of Christ. Notice that the men were 'cut to the heart' That means that the Holy Spirit convicted them. This is what Preachers and Pastors do. They diminish themselves and point to the Lord Jesus Christ. It's called humbleness and self sacrifice. I know this because I have to do it on a regular basis. For I have been called to Teach, preach, and minister to souls as a pastor of His people. However, while i'm still 17, i still have alot of learning and growing to do while God equips me for the task ahead. Anyway...now unless the lyrics point to the Cross and Jesus' death burial and resurrection (The resurrection being the foundation of the Christian faith) then it is not of God. Just a few thoughts on the subject. Not trying to put down the music still, just adding my two cents into it. thanks for reading and God Bless

Joshua

I think we try so hard some times not to be worldly that we forget the world we're livin' in.  We're commanded not to love the world, or the things that are in the world.  We're called pilgrims in this world.  Hey, if we know Jesus and it shows, we stand out!  Not like we need the right suit, or the right haircut, or the right music to set us apart.  If we do, are we really even set apart?

Sis, if you can bring glory to God in your music, then go.   :)

Quote:Unless it points to the Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ, then it's not the Gospel. "

This is exactly what I am saying. That is why in every Worship Service there is an invitation to Christ given. Christ is lifted up and we take the low. God is not saying a certain type of music is evil. People makes things evil. Like why would I throw out my T.V. because it has much filth on it when I can turn the station and hear the word of GOD being delivered.
People use cars for evil, money for evil, music, etc.
But we know that we can use these things for Gods glory and thats what we do.
ONLY WHAT YOU DO FOR CHRIST WILL LAST

p.s. ALL GOSPEL RAP IS NOT LOUD AND  THE WORDS UN-UNDERSTANDABLE.

Never said it was...though I"m saying all the 'Rap" i've heard has been.  ;D  ;)

God Bless

Joshua

If you never said that they I was talking to someone else.

I sometimes go out and gospel rap over a live band with an organ and a sax, drums, you know. Sweet soft music.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is always given and sometimes I do praise songs!! He gots to get HIS praise!

I personally do not like rap but I will not denigrate God by saying that He cannot and will not use it to His benefit.

I personally do not understand a lot of the vernacular used in rap and I suppose that is why I dislike it. I do not consider it music but rather a form of poetry that is sometimes recited with music accompaniments.  It is not unlike the poetry of the beatnik era.

At one time in history, Country Gospel, Southern Gospel Quartets, etc was considered by conservative Christians to be blasphemy. This is true even of the original renditions of There Will Be Peace in the Valley", "We'll Understand It Better By and By",  "Amazing Grace", "The Lords Prayer", and yes even "Rock of Ages" and "The Old Rugged Cross".

My personal favorite type of music is the old fashioned Appalachian Folk style Gospel. My grandmother was hill folk and sang me to sleep at night with some of the sweetist Gospel music that ever crossed human lips.

Bronzesnake  :D

Now I see that everyone on here might not love the LORD and HIS people. Let me ask you this...
Who is gonna reach a young black girl that was rapped at the age of 9 years old living in a terrible neighbor hood.
Never knew her dad, mom is on drugs and she has never been to a church and doesn't see the need. She dresses bad cause mom showed her how to dress this way.
Who's gonna reach her cause GOD loves her too.
Someone says go to church and when she does everyone is looking at her mean and saying mean things cause how she is dressed. Who's gonna reach her.
Whos gonna reach the young black man who has a dad he's never meet and his mom left him to the state. Now he lives with people that treat him like crap. He see's his friends get killed day in and day out and he's lost in the streets and drugs is his best friend. Who's going to reach them.
Despit what anyone thinks we as Gospel Artist do not imitate the world, we are trying to get the world to imitate us because we are imitating Christ.
We do not use their words we use the word of GOD and if you (who ever it aplies) read the gospel rap I posted you would see scripture. Now the evidence that GOD is for gospel rap is the 100's of lost souls that are coming to Christ with their clothes all trashy, and letting GOD do the fixing!

Bronze, I guess it's safe to assume that from now on when you see my name you are just going to disagee period. Because you 1st said
Quote "So, yes, I think any music that has Jesus as a main factor is very good, however, the artists must be saved Christians, and live accordingly. No violent overtones - no "bling bling" hanging - no "beehotches" in cellophane wrap bikinis...etc.

Bronzesnake "

Now you are putting pictures up with a worldy cartoon character saying that you agree with Gospel rap copying the world? Wow I guess I have to go elese where to make some Christian friends.


"Gopel Rap By Lisa Gore"

The Word was said the command was given.
Spead the Gospel be Jesus driven.
We gotta bring GOD glory thats why were living.
Spread the Gospel!!!

 My sister.

I was just goofin in my last post...note the cartoon characters, and the smiling smilie face beside my username?

I've only disagreed with you on the Jews topic.

Bronzesnake.

Mrs. Chosen,

Bronze is wrong but fair   :-X . Give him a chance. ;)

 Reeba!

If your husband wasn't the outlaw Josy Wales..why I'd!  >:(

Hey look! the Bronzesnake is goofing around again! Christians are not supposed to have fun!  :D

Bronzesnake

Hey Lisa.

Sister, writing poetry for God is excellent! This is a good thing. Just don't be tempted to conform to the world.

A better question is: CAN Gospel Rap conform to the world?

Yes, very easily as it is structured from worldly music. Once it becomes the world then it is not useful for God's economy. But that doesnt necessarily make it bad. But if that happens then Gospel Rap can no longer be called Gospel Rap but just Rap.

Sister, it is very good that we become like sinners to win over sinners as the apostle Paul speaks of. But when we are with them let us not become like them! Let them become like you! We become weak to win over the weak but do we want to be weak ourselves? What person who is strong would want to become weak? While we are in the world let us not become part of the world. We are God's holy and beloved. We are God's people not the world's! Dont conform to the world.

These are just some things that may be faced with this ministry. Sister, keep doing work in God. And if you give this to God and you thank Him for everything then the work will be exceedingly abundant. I think it would be good if you can write scriptual songs, meaning the lyrics are verses. However the rhyme scheme may be more difficult but it can be done. I know of hundreds of great songs that are scriptual songs. Just translate the verses into 'rap' language so it would fit it's structure. (i dont know if that's possible but just a suggestion  :)) Make your music more effective by saturating it with the Word of God. And then it will not just be a song about God but a song sung to God.

"And He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus"(phil 1:6)



Brothers and Sisters, in absolutely ALL things we do...ALL things...let us honor God! Let us not honor this world, ourselves or other men but ONLY God. For all things were made for and through Him. And again, dont be conformed to this world. Why would we when we have someone greater to conform to? Let us conform to God!

Let me tell everyone how much I hate rap music. It makes me soooooooooooo sick. Everything that they say and everything that they stand for. Me in danger of becoming like them, not a chance!!! Been there, done that, too painful, won't go back!!!
Flex you made a comment "Yes, very easily as it is structured from worldly music."
All of my gospel rap is structured from the HOLY BIBLE, not music.
If someone makes a beat out of instruments and that person is a child of GOD, it's not wordly just because it sounds like something you may have heard in the world. Lyrics make a song worldy. What would you call a heavenly beat?
What if you have someone singing Amazing Grace and then I chose to rap it over drums. That does not make it worldy.

And trust me there is no way i'm dressing like them, or walking like them. GOD is in full control of this thing. I don't like what they are talking about, but I'm not going to sit back and just complain!! I'm doing something about it!! They will listen and hear JESUS JESUS!!!!!
Are any of you that don't agree with gospel rap going to come to the hood and go to thses people? Are you gonna talk to them in a way that they will understand???


Well thats what we are doing!!! Wanna check it out?
www.holycultureradio.com

Sister, I dont think you read my post carefully.

First I would like to point out...I never said Rap music was bad, just worldly.



Gospel Rap is indeed structured by the Structure of Rap...or why else would it be called Gospel RAP? Tell me the reason why you would have even asked "Is Gospel Rap conforming to the World?" if Gospel Rap was not susceptible to conforming to the world in the first place? All music to God is susceptible to become worldly however, things like Christian Metal and Gospel Rap are even more susceptible. That is obvious.

So let's take another look at what I said again.

CAN (not IS) Gospel Rap comform to the world.

YES, it very easily can


As I've said earlier sister, keep doing this work in God. I never said to stop and I never disagreed with you writing Gospel Rap; just warned to not conform to this world. The ministry I am talking about is not just this Gospel Rap but you going out to these people. It is very easy for you to conform to them.

How is that so? Am I saying you are weak? NO. I am saying in this ministry you hope to become like them so that you may win them to Christ. This is right as the Apostle Paul speaks of "becoming weak to win the weak, becoming lawless to win the lawless" and because of this, you will be more susceptible to conforming to them. If you start enjoying what they do and that are not acceptable to God then that is when you will be backsliding. Your words are reaffirming that you are not part of this world but when I talked about conforming to the world this was not just directed to you but to ALL Brothers and Sisters in Christ.


Please note that that last sentence. I was talking about the conformity issue in regards to this ministry not just Gospel Rap alone.


Sister, you didn't notice I was encouraging you?!

"And He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus"(phil 1:6)
 :) God be with you.

Maybe you wont misread this one...
SISTER, KEEP UP THIS GOOD WORK!!!

Point!  I was considering making a response to Silver's comment about the guys wearin' their pants down to low, considering I've worn the same size pants for the past 8 years, but have gained a considerable waistline.  Hence, I'm in style and didn't even know it!   ;D  But that would be funnin' and that's just wrong!!!  hehee  :D

Quote"Sister, I dont think you read my post carefully. "

Thank you but you have to realize I'm not talking directly to you. So only what appies to you is what I say to you.
I am responding to many others post and they have said many things that I've been referring to.
So most of what I typed was in deed not pertainging to you.
Really, I see your points. And I agree with them, trust me.
And it is important to be very prayed up going into this world with the gospel. But GOD has called me to this work and to reach a certain people because I use to be them.
He has equipped me with the Word, my sword and I wear my full armor when I am out. Some people do go out unequipped and you were right inreferece to them slipping.

The whole reason for me opening this topic was to open ones eyes if they might shunn gospel rap all together without knowing GODs mission for it. You are not one of those people.

Amen :-*

I see. I do not know exactly why it would be shunned in the first place but I feel that many people think it's too worldly to be useful for God. As I said earlier...

As those walking in Christ absolutely ALL things we do are for Christ. It doesn't matter if it's gospel Rap, Christian metal, or playing football. If we honor God in all things we do, then it will be from God.

We are constantly give everything to God in prayer and thanking Him for everything. If this is done with genuiness then whatever it is you are doing will be blessed.

beautifully said felix amen

its a ministry tool it reaches out to youth who listen to that style of music. you think we as teens like twila paris or steven curtis chapman   of course not. 8)

If Gospel Rap is not your thing then that's cool, but because we as Christians cannot relate to something does not make it out of the will of God. To say that something sound's too much like the world is kind of crazy. In that aspect there can be no Christian love songs, Jazz, Rock, Spoken Word because it sounds too much like the world. All these are forms of music where there is Christian Representation.

We can't pick and choose how we would like to God to move. God moves through Music as well as the spoken word. The bible does not say what type of music is acceptable, so let's not add anything. ;D.

Let's encourage those out there who are upholding God's standard in the various genres, not break them down.

DAT's MY BOY!!

This kid knows whats up.   LeCrae awesome rap group check it out.  Though i like steven curtis chapman, i think that the youth like this more.  Now here's a follow up question what about people like Switchfoot and Stacie Orrico who expanded their audiences to nonchristians by having sequilar recording places with their christian ones.  I dont think thats its a problem your just outreaching.  Its still Christian if i doesnt say God or Jesus in the song.  Like Switchfoot "meant to live"

This is good stuff. Whatever you do, whether in word or in deed, do it with all your heart as to the Lord. But always be mindful of your audience and their needs. When my folks come to visit I do not play my style of music but theirs. I have a relative that does not follow this rule but plays what they like when the older folks visit. I know this irritates them. This is not good, we need to consider the weaknessses of others. I personally find value in all genres of christian music. I even tolerate some secular music. But I really want to please my Lord in all things.
God bless,

asaph

I just want to phrase it this way. Is it conforming or just another tool to bring people in for Christ? God said to go into all nations that includes the nation of the rap listeners.  So listen to it if your heart desires listen to it if God says you can handle it.

I agree when people see what we have they will desire it. But it is like you never read my question. Is it conforming, in other words is it making you like them, or is it drawing them to you as a follower and reflection of God?

Why cant it be both?  Its possible to like and grow close.....heres a simple answer for everyone.  NO its not conforming if thats considered comforming then you can throw every piece of christian music(except worship songs/bands) out there because they are conforming just as much...why single out rap when you got CCM, GSPL, Chrisitian Rock, and others doing the exact same thing.  Im pretty sure none of these bands are conforming because their lyrics are as clean as can be and dont influence anything negative in them.  So explain to me, Mrs. Chosen how in the world is this conforming?


What are you talking about?   yeah im pretty sure you have to be a rapper to reach the rappers otherwise its pretty hard.  If your talking about that you dont have to be like Nelly or Jay-Z then okay i agree.  But I dont know of a single Christian rapper who is like any of those.

Why cant it be both? tsu05 as Christian we are called to stand apart. To do otherwise is a sin and nothing else. I hate being all fire and brimstone, but the truth is if you conform you are doing nothing other than that. To conform means to give away a peice of yourself in Christ.

you may not understand what position i have taken on this topic, so just read my post from an eairlier time.


Here is the point, to say that a Christian Gospel Rapper is becoming like the world is just false. Now there are some out there they say they are christian rappers yet they only want to be seen them selves and barely say the name Jesus. But they are not who I am referring to. there are false teachers in every ministry. But there are alot of people who will dislike and shunn Gospel Rap because they see what the world rap is doing and refuse to believe that GOD can take something bad and turn it into something good. But lets look at our selves and what He has done with us!
God is using Gospel rap to reach a generation of people that won't come to church and won't listen to Preachers and can't stand old hyms.  Just like God took a CHRISTIAN KILLER and turned him into a Prophet, GOD has taken Gospel Rap to draw people unto Him. we as Gospel Rap Artist do not go into the world to be accepted, we go in Jesus name expecting to be rejected, and just let GOD do HIS thing through us and draw whom He wills.

Well said sis  :)...
lisajames96

Obvisously you wrote this post without really who your dealing with.  But ill spare you right now.  How can you tell me what to do when you dont know me or know what kind of person I am.  Stand apart?  Define that for me.  It differs from person to person.  Just b/c they dont say jesus in their lyrics doesnt mean you have any right to critize them or that they arent being very Christian.  Relient K they dont have those words in their lyrics but me and hundreds of others dont think any less of them.  Steven Curtis Chapman, Switchfoot, dc talk, and Five Iron Frenzy.  All reach out to both sides, Christian and nonchristian and dont have Jesus spelled out in their lyrics or any reference at all.  Does that make it wrong?  Of course not.  They are doing this as a witness tool.  Its a way to reach out to nonbelievers so yes they can do both.  They arent conforming.  They may not seem like they are different but look at their actions not their lyrics

the people who are not christians are not going to want to become christians if they think that they have to listen to sunday morning worship all the time.  i mean i have been achristian since i was five and i don't like beening confined to sunday morning worship all the time.  after you listen to the song enough you tend to catch on to what it is saying so eventually you will know it is christian one way or anther.  but that is just what i think.
new user,
ashlee

thank you....and welcome, hope you enjoy the convos here.

Ashlee, I love to listen to the music that was made for God. That is something I could not live without it keeps me sane. It also grounds me to God. I think that if Christian rap is what you need to lift God up then by all means listen, but the moment your music makes a brother or sister trip up in their walk you had best stop. As with me my radios only play Christian or nothing.
Funny story the secular CD's that go in to my radio never play for some reason. I just think thats funny. But I know that some perfer not to listen to hymns I am one of them. But at the same time you cannot hurt someones walk to further yours. The bible speaks of this and it says that non who follow Christ will cause another in Christ to sumble. I am trying to find the verse, when I do I will put it on here.