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Just thought ya'll might like to hear this.

A recent census conducted in Israel by the gov't. resulted in this small little tidbit.

There are currently 144,000 Christians living in Israel.

It did not say they were Messianic Jews, or converted Jews, or expatriates, or otherwise....only that 144,000 people claim Christ as there savior.

Hmmmmmmm...................

ought row, that truly is amazing!

Evangelist,

Brother Hank, I don't believe in coincidence, but I do believe in God's Will and Purpose. I know that you do also.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 100:4  Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.

nifty, do you happen to have a link or source I can use for that?

http://www.holylandnews.net/?id=11632

Don't know if it will show up for you, since it is a subscriber only newsfeed, but you can try it.

Im sry but thats a nice coincidence but i doesnt mean anything because if they are Christians then that means they will be brought up with the Rapture.  

First, WELCOME to Christians Unite!

If the RAPTURE happens before the Tribulation Period, the 144,000 will not be raptured. Bible prophecy will be fulfilled to the letter. The 144,000 will not be a coincidence, rather a fact. The existence and purpose of the 144,000 will absolutely mean more than just something. They WILL carry out the plan and purpose of GOD at HIS appointed time.

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Sry again but that makes no sense.  The rapture will happen before the tribulation period there is a biblical proof of that. (1 Thess. 5:9;  2 Thess 2:6-8) so if this is true which it is because its the Bible then those who are saved will be raptured including the 144,000 people in Isreal who are Christians.  Therefore its seen that God's remaining elect on thie earth that are Jews who have not come to Christ will become those 144,000 witnesses.

Let me state this more simply:

Regardless of events and timing of events, there will be 144,000 who will fulfill God's plan and purpose. All Bible prophecy will be fulfilled to the letter. If you disagree with this more simple statement, you will be disagreeing with the Holy Bible. If so, we can simply agree to disagree. I won't be debating a Biblical fact with you. If the 144,000 spoken of by Evangelist are the ones mentioned in the Holy Bible, they will fulfill prophecy to the letter, regardless of your agreement or disagreement. The only matter of discussion regards whether they are the 144,000 spoken of by the Bible. If so, their agenda is already set by God.

By the way, I believe in the RAPTURE of THE CHURCH prior to the Tribulation Period also. BUT, I don't think this should be a matter for brothers and sisters in Christ to go to war with each other for. I enjoy pleasant discussions on these matters, but they are not Salvation issues.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Acts 26:18  To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

OK!!! no arguing here. BUT I will say this. The 144,000 aren't Christians, they are Jews. They will be 144,000 Jews, who are virgins, and who are sealed with the Seal of God to go out and witness. This is evident by the mention that 12,000 will each come from the Tribes of Israel. It is a good coincidence, but however the Scriptures are pretty clear that they will be from the 12 tribes of Israel, meaning they are Jewish. God Bless

Joshua

First off blackeyepeas...im not saying that the Bible is wrong in any way I was just really confused by your statement it sounded a little off when I read it.   And when the Rapture will occur is important to an extent I agree with that.  But I wont go into that because this isnt the thread for this conversation.

Jemidon2004 I agree that the 144,000 are Jews but that doesnt mean they wont be Christians.  To have the Seal of God you need to be a Christian.  Christians are not just Gentiles they are both Jews and Gentiles.

 Revelations chapter 7:4 clearly identifies the 144,000 as Jews. In fact the 144,000 are from the 12 tribes of Israel. verse 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:

of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of LEvi twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed.

Brothers,

It's an absolute fact that the 144,000 spoken of in the Holy Bible are Jews, 12,000 from each tribe. This isn't a question at all, just facts.

If the 144,000 mentioned in the article by Evangelist are these 144,000, their future works are already sealed by God, regardless of other events in the end of this age. If they aren't the same 144,000 mentioned in the Holy Bible, the 144,000 will arrive at God's appointed time, and they will fulfill God's plan and purpose. So, it's really a question of: Are the 144,000 mentioned by Evangelist the 144,000 in the Holy Bible? I don't know, but I don't believe in coincidence. If they are the same, we are close to a day of GREAT REJOICING! I think that we are regardless.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Philippians 3:9  And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Tom & All.....
Well...really got something started here!  ;D
I don't believe that the 144,000 mentioned in the article are the same as the 144,000 spoken of in scripture. Also, while the 144,000 of scripture are Jews, 12K from each of the tribes, it still remains that they are .... CHRISTIAN, since they confess Jesus as Messiah, Lord and Savior.  Since two of the tribes are still considered "missing in action," although the Ethiopian group claims to be one, I think the 144K is still future.

I only thought it was an interesting coincidence....certainly didn't mean to get any fight started.   ;D ;D ;D ;)

There is nothing wrong with fighting it helps people get there opinions out there and set others straight.

LOL...you didn't get any fight started. However, i just had to clarify because sometimes things can be misred and this is one subject that should not be confused. Also, i thought those who believed in Jesus as messiah were called "Messianic Jews" not Christians...however, i'm sure the terms can be used interchangably. Just a few thoughts....

Joshua

Evangelist,

Brother Hank, discussing the 144,000 is simply a must study issue in Bible prophecy. I was just thinking:  WOW! - they will have their work cut out for them. OR, as a old farmer might say, "A long row to hoe."

I would simply say thanks for another interesting piece of news. It only becomes a fight when someone makes it one. Most of us are simply interested in Bible study on these issues without the interruption of someone trying to turn it into a fight.  

Love In Christ,
Tom

I Timothy 1:14-15  And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

I won't join and argument, but I though I would share what I've found, again. The Lost tribes of Israel were never called Jews. They were Israelites from the northern territory after Israel split into two nations with seperate kings. The Romans were the first to use the term "Jews", as it was only the house of Judah that returned from captivity to rebuild the wall and temple, as the house of Israel never repented and tacked on a seventimes 390 to their exile (Lev. 26:18; Ez.4:4-6). Most people in the church today still do not understand this - house of Israel + house of Israel = ALL Israel (Rom. 11:25,26)

house of Israel + house of Judah + grafted in branches (companions) = Church or Ekklessia. (Ez. 37:16,17)

Notice, even the New Testament confirms who the New covenant is to:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
10  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

People, we don't know who our anscestors are, just as God planned when the 10 tribes of the house of Israel were lost so long ago, never returning from captivity, but look at what blessing was given them by Jacob (Gen. 48:18-20). They were given the "firstborn" rights to the covenant of Abraham and God, and Judah was given the sceptre of leadership which is why they split and fought one another in the first place (Gen. 49:10). This is how the seed of Abraham became "hamon goyim", father of many nations and spead to "multitudes of Gentiles" which is what "hamon goyim" means in the Hebrew (Gen. 17:4).
Who is know by being firstborn today?
First I will give a scripture confirming Ephraim, Joesph's yougest son, as the head of the house of Israel and receiver of the firstborn double portion rights and then see who else is firstborn in scripture.

Jeremiah 31:9  They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Hebrews 12:23  To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Romans 8:29  For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Notice who Jesus said He came after, and that they would answer and know HIs voice:

Matthew 15:24  But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

John 10:16  And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

This should help identify 10 of those 12 tribes represented by the 144,000. Also, when you think of two witnesses. Who are the only two that recognize the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? .....it is the Christians and the Jews - the house of Israel, and the house of Judah. So, some may disagree, but identifying the 144000 as just from the house of Judah which comprised of only two of the tribes - Benjamin and Judah - then they are in error. Jesus found the house of Israel and called them to follow Him, being born again and becoming partakers of the double portion given to the "firstborn" of God - the Christians, believing in Messiah, Jesus, and receiving the Holy Ghost as seal. The Christians answers Christ's call and are the "house" of Israel, and the remnant that will be saved from the house of Judah will be those Messianic Jews who accept Christ whether now or during the tribulation.
What is funny is that all records of lineage was destroyed by the Romans, and only One knows who we are.......

Amos 9:9  "For surely I will command, And will sift the house of Israel among all nations, As grain is sifted in a sieve; Yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.

Hosea 5:3  I know Ephraim, and Israel is not hid from me: for now, O Ephraim, thou committest whoredom, and Israel is defiled.

Jer 31:20  Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith the LORD.