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I was born again and did not speak in tongues .I studies it for a long time .Then believed it was real .a preacher came to the church and said anyone want this come back tonite .I went back ,he prayed nothing .That nite I went home then back to the church .no one was there .I got on my knees and was pray .I had the keys to church as I worked on it a lot .The pastor saw the light and .ask me why i was there .I told him ,I wondered why the LORd does not give me this .He prayed for me nothing .
The next time at church ,I went to the altar .i said FATHER I believe in tongues now .And if you do not want to give me this ?It is ok .because if you give me nothing in my life .I will still love you and serve you .Then I heard someone talking in something I never heard before .I looked up .thinking they were in front of me .I looked at each side .Then behind .Then I tried to look at my lips .It was me .So after that mnite .I could speak in tongues always .Some times I would hear new words .I have never know what I said .But believe it is MY spirit speaking to GOD .Telling HIm of my spiritual needs .as The bible teaches we do not know our needs .

Interesting, do you by any chance know what language you were speaking? Hebrew, Greek, Spanish, French, Aramaic? Just curious...that's me, Curious Joshua...lol. Sorry to keep questioning, but the teacher in me kind of has to question and find the answer to some things that are said. I'm off. God Bless

Joshua

none from this world

How do you know if this is of God, Satan or emotional overload?

very easy ?I know my LORDS voice .

What does it sound like? Do others around you hear this voive as well, or are you the only one who hears it?

as long as you walk in the flesh ?You will not hear GOD.

Again! What does He sound like? Do others around you hear this voive as well, or are you the only one who hears it?

Also, how do you know this voice is not an evil spirit transformed into an angle of light? How do you know this voice in your head is not your own and you are being self deceived?

Pilgrim whats with giving gary the third degree?

Jesus said:

Joh 10:27  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

"How do you know if this is of God, Satan or emotional overload?"  

How do any of us know?

Your questions are more ignorant than that of an athiest, and its to be expected of them  ::)

What does his voice sound like? Male? Female? Child? adult? Is His voice only in your head or do others standing by hear it also? How do you know the voice is God and not an imposter.

I dealt with many who are in institutions who hear voives in their heads thinking it is God too!

The LORD speaks to most everyone the same way ?To our spirit ,which we are 1st .You may not know ?But JESUS CHRIST ,Said HE spoke out loud to the FATHER ,for HIS followers sake .HE did not need too .NOR do I or and child of GOD .But there are times we must speak out loud with our mouth .When we pray for others too be healed or cast out demons .When we ask JESUS CHRIST into our hearts .But NO other people don"t hear .As once I was driving ,My wife said ?who you talking too ?I said the LORD .She said ok .What did HE say ?I said HE said we must vote for bush and that he is americas last chance .We normally never vote ,But we did .this was in the 1st election .Here is the story ?What you think or not does not have an effect on my life ?But if you say something that is in TRUTH .And i never saw it before .I will pray about and ask my LORD .How will this be needed in my LIfe. HE will in HIS time remind me ,when I need it .But we are called to have a personal relationship with GOD .today right now .If you don"t have one ?You need to seek it ?Many people do not know the LORD .They know of HIm .But if you want ?You can . THis is the reason HE died . The kingdom of GOD is now and it is power . Most of the time it is very simple to know where your thoughts come from .evil thoughts demons .good thoughts HOLY SPIRIT .The more the inner person controls ,The better you hear GOD .The more into flesh you live the farther away from GOD you are . Now if you were willing to test this ?FAST ,if you belong to the LORD or if you have a desire to know HIm .in 3 days .YOU will .water ,bible ,prayer .Most can not fast long ?because they let satan trick them into failing .But you can ,it is not hard in truth .

Who called you Pilgrim? Was His voice only in your head or did others standing by hear it also? How do you know it was the voice of God and not an imposter?  Or will you credit a mere man with calling you? Can you come to Him without being called, and if you were called, who`s voice was it?
Why would a christian ask such foolish questions of his brother? Is Christ speaking in parables too difficult to understand?    Come out of the  insane asylum  and enter into the spirtual kingdom Pilgrim  ::)

Joh 10:3-5  To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Since when did God become a Republican? Why would He want you to vote for a man who honors and prays to pagan spirits and sets forth the antichrist’s “New World Order” agenda?

God’s Word says: 2Ti 2:3 “Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.”  Yet the voice in your head told you just the opposite, which one is correct? The voice in your head that claims to be God or God’s Word?

http://www.nlbchapel.org/politics.htm

I did not hear an audible voice.


Because the call I responded to was written down as God's Word.

Joh 3:16  "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Joh 5:24  "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

Rom 10:17  "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

GOD will work though who ever lets HIm .But i think bush is a righteous man . But i think he is not grown in the spirit a lot .But you know the bible teaches us .men would talk evil of those in power .This is very evil to GOD .ASs we are to repect those in power over us .You don"t seem to have much love in your heart and like to judge quickly .This is not good .LOVE gives mercy .and another thing as you love the least in GOD kingdom ?That is how you love the LORd .As for this other person ?they may not agree with all I say or any i say ?But they do show great love .You need to learn to love ?more than knowing GODS WORDS .Because without LOVE .You will get very little understanding .Because GOD IS LOVE .asnother thing ?every person is not at the same place in the LORd .some are still drinking milk some have moved to the meat .BUT NONE know everything .We are one in CHRIST .But without LOVE ?We are nothing !

How can a righteous man be a member of the occult "skull and Bones" Society? How can he be righteous when he promotes the antichrist "New world order" agenda?

"I did not hear an audible voice."

So God never speaks in an audible voice?
The call you responded to was written, and this is the only way God speaks?

Never mind, the scriptures answer that question pretty clearly.

I presume you can also tell us how He didnt really intend for us to believe  "the sheep hear his voice"/ "know His voice"?   If so, please lets hear it,  we dont want to wind up institionalized for saying we have heard and believe.  

We know you have plenty  of knowledge of the Word Pilgrim, why then must you ask your brother to explain the  voice and the  moving of the spirit to you?  Have you only knowledge, and nothing of a spiritual nature to go with it?

Joh 3:12  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

When did speaking the truth about a politician become evil? Hitler was a political leader. Are Christians making God angry when they say he was evil? If not, then why is it wrong to speak the truth about other political leaders?


Why? Because I obey God and test all things by asking questions?

1Th 5:21  "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22  Abstain from all appearance of evil."

Rom 12:2  "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

ya ,but do you love me ?

The words that Jesus spoke which He wants us to hear were written down by His servants in a book called the Bible. God speaks to His children by His written Word which can be tested. Those who claim that God speaks to them in an audible voice need to be careful as it cannot be tested. Case in point, Gary claiming an audible voice told him to vote for Bush that he was America’s last hope. Do you believe God told these things to Gary or the voice he is hearing is something other than God? If you believe it was God, then why does this voice say Bush is America’s last hope rather than Jesus?    

Yes! I hope I have proved it by trying to get you to see the dangerous error your embracing.

What error would that be ?

Putting your so-called super natural experiences above the written Word of God.

"Those who claim that God speaks to them in an audible voice need to be careful as it cannot be tested."

Is this really so Pilgrim? Then the purpose of 1Jo 4 is lost on you then. The question was wether or not God talks to us, and the answer is of course He does, tho never in contradiction to His written Word.

You say its a dangerous error gary is embracing, and I see him embracing Christ...I dont need to be in agreement with every word he says to see that...no more than I need to be in agreement with every word you say. You tried to get gary to 'prove' the voice of God, and now you are latching unto a Bush to try to rally support for your arguement agianst him ever having heard Gods voice. ::)  
 
Joh 16:13  The Spirit shows what is true and will come and guide you into the full truth. The Spirit doesn't speak on his own. He will tell you only what he has heard from me, and he will let you know what is going to happen.

I never put anything above GODS word .Is this your problem .Because I have had some miracles ?please get out of that .Nothing I have said is not tRUTh and everything lines up with GODS WORD .But if you think it is evil in some way ?That is your problem .What is one miracle over another to the creator .Have you ever had a miracle that you know of ?I couldn"t understand ,What you were up about ?Because GOD has done some things in my life .Well there is much more hE has done .So tell HIM ,you don"t like it .Because it is all true and more ,i might add .I do understand ?You can only live in the light your in ?But soon after the rapture .You will move into greater light if not before ?
Mar 16:17  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
do these signs follow you ?if not why not ?
DO YOU BELIEVE ?Then these signs follow you ?
1Co 14:14  For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
 DOES your inner man do this ?

Your avoiding the question.

Do you believe God told these things to Gary or the voice he is hearing is something other than God? If you believe it was God, then why does this voice say Bush is America’s last hope rather than Jesus?  

I"ll tell you one thing that made me trust the LORD so much ?there is a king in the bible ,kingasa .the bible tells us ,he was perfect in his generation .But he got a problem in his foot .he went to the doctors .now it took 2 years for him to die .but the LORD said if he would of come to me .I would have healed him .but since he wahted to trust man .I let him die .So every time something happen to me .I remenbered that .So I never would trust a doctor .Now i thank GOD for doctors ,I think they help people more than they kill . But I have choosen to trust the lORD even unto death .As i feel i already died in CHRIST .When i accepted HIm as LORD and savior .And i now see no problem with dying anyway .in fact I look forward to it .as my great brother paul did .I never really like this world .But know this is my chance to serve MY LORD in FAITH .I'll never get this chance again . The things we do now .will last forever more .To think the little time we spend here .we will be reaping forever from it !

I believe bush is trying too lead this nation back to JESUS CHRIST .You must know GOD WORKS thought the head of the HOME
BUSH IS THE HEAD OF THIS HOME .

Do you take up serpents and drink poison?

I don’t believe the tongues spoken today are the same as practiced in the early Church. Today’s tongue’s movement if fake and filled with fraud and deceit, obviously fruits of the devil.

Here is what I believe about tongues:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/joeflorence/tongues.html  

How is Bush leading this nation back to Jesus. I hear him mention a god from time to time but I don’t recall him ever using the name Jesus. He claims to be a proud member of “skull and Bones”. Do you believe the spirit behind “Skull and Bones” is of God? How can Bush be leading us to Jesus when he promotes the antichrist “New World Order” agenda? I don’t know what that voice in your head is telling you about Bush but God’s written Word says that one cannot serve two masters.

Here is a quote from an article I read the other day about Bush.

http://www.gwinnettdailyonline.com/GDP/archive/article4B1054F1E3404954A473E0DD1C849B01.asp?printerFriendly=true

“The bland truth is that Bush is unlikely to deliver on religious conservatives’ expectations in any dramatic or immediate way simply because it isn’t his style. As Michael Gerson — Bush speechwriter and policy adviser — puts it, Bush is an “incrementalist.” And as such is misunderstood by both his allies and enemies.”

"In other words, the notion that Bush is imposing his religious beliefs — or that he is going reshape America in the image of some fundamentalist fantasy — is a bum rap. Indeed, some close observers of the Bush-evangelical dynamic predict that Bush will have caused more consternation than consolation among his conservative Christian brethren before the first year of his second term is up."

I have gotten bit by a copper head before and a black widow spider .Got sick on bad food a couple of times
So you believe the bible is out dated about some things and you believe you can pick and choose .please ?
The bible is not changed .GOD does not chage
What has changed is our understanding .
JESUS CHRIST said ?will I find faith on the earth when I return ?
if a person does not have it ?must not be true .
listen you need to fast .I am not being smart ,but you are not close to the LORD .You know some words .But fasting will bless you more than you know .Then you will come back and think different .can you fast ?.Because the KINGDOM OF GOD is power .and it is in the hearts of people
You know this helps no one but fasting will cause you to know the LORD personally .

Does this mean that thousands of ungodly people who have recovered from poisonous snakes, spiders bites and food poison are really followers of Jesus and filled with the power of the Holy Spirit?  

I can not say about all those people .but I am thinking about you ?Where are you in all this ?You have never ansured my questions ?Why ?Are you going to fast ?JESUS CHRIST SAID HIS followers would .are you one ?will you fast ?I know no signs follow you .

Still waiting for your answer Shylynne.

I did not avoid the question, it`s a moot point. I cannot know if God has talked to gary or not, no more than you can, other than by his adherance to scripture, this doesnt negate the fact that God DOES TALK to us.

As far as leaders go, God said He causes them to rise and fall, and so it is. How does he effectively  "cause"?
If  God wanted Bush for president, (and obviously He did or Bush wouldnt be) telling His people how to vote would seem reasonable enough to me, after all we are talking about a God who used burning bushes and donkeys to get men to listen.

How can God audibly tell people to be engaged with the affairs of this world by voting when His written Word tells us not to engage in the affairs of this world? Which one is really the voice of God, the audible voice or the written Word? “No one engaged in warfare entangles himself with the affairs of this life, that he may please him who enlisted him as a soldier” (2 Timothy 2:4).

http://www.nlbchapel.org/politics.htm

I have to go ...but

Today’s tongue’s movement if fake and filled with fraud and deceit, obviously fruits of the devil.


*sigh*

Rom 2:21  Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself?

It’s not a mote point. Thousands of people claim that a god is speaking to them audibly and many times these voice are not in line with the Scripture. The Scripture we know is the Word of God, but is an audible voice in someone’s head the voice of God? I doubt it very much. Are to believe just because the person says so? Some of these people claim to have numerous miracles every day. Gary even claims to have raised the dead. Do you believe that? If we were to believe them, some  people it seems like have more miracles happening to them everyday than all the saint put together in the first century. My trust is on the Word of God not someone’s boasting in fake supernatural experiences.  

It should give you faith too recieve a miracle when you need it .as most people most there faith in man kind .Which does not please GOD .as I am sure you do .Not the fact you don"t believe me .But you have no faith in GOD .I don"t believe you have muchj or none relationship with HIm .
And I never said I hear a audibiable .I said HE puts thoughts in ppeoples minds .As I have heard of HIm speaking to people this way .Nothing has changed from the 1st church til now .But it will change soon as my family in the LORD leave here .as I believe we will soon .I went to a web site a while back .They also didn"t believe in miracles .really they didn"t believe in anything .They believed demons were sicknesses .and when you die you go to the grave .and no HOLY SPIRIT .You see or not mostly .What ever shape a person has allowed themselfs to become .They think it is right .Very sad .unbelief has always hurt or destoryed GODS people .When you know someone you talk with them and they with you .
now knowing of a person ?that is different .I know of lots of people .Isn"t funny how JESUS CHRIST said ?I"LL NEVER LEAVE OR FORSAKE YOU .AND HOW HE SAID THE HOLY SPIRIT will DWELL IN YOU .I guess you think ,HE DOESN"T TALK ?AND HE HAS NO GIFTS to GIVE ?What would in do in us ?
YOU know this is true .If i was not going to believe the whole bible .I would not believe any .I know many make money from GODS LIVING WORD and use it all kinds of ways .BUT I have nothing tio do with that .That is between them and MY CREATOR .But you will be judged ,by what is in your own heart .
I believe that is why ,our LORD JESUS CHRIST says not too lean to your own understanding .Your whole life is your understanding .BUT this can not be in TRUTH .because you have lost .because our little dumb minds can not see TRUTH .without the SPIRIT OF TRUTH .other wise JESUS CHRIST would not tell us we had to have the SPIRIT OF TRUTH .I"ll tell you good our minds are ?the 12 walked with JESUS CHRIST for 3 years and still had no understanding .But soon as the HOLY SPIRIT entered them .they started learning fast .But still paul who was more willing to learn from the HOLY SPIRIT did not know JESUS CHRIST .Yet had to teach them ,what the holy spirit taught HIm  .Believe me you cam always get someone to go along with your thinking ? because those who follow JESUS CHRIST are few .If you like the person you are stay where you are spiritually ?If not fast and ask JESUS CHRIST to fill you with TRUTH .Then you can go too a site and be attacked .I lOVE it .GOD IS WITH ME .WHO SHOULD I FEAR ! I get nice e mails every day from people saying how my words have blessed them . ONE thing ,I know ?you will never forget me 10000 years from now ,you will remenber ..I don"t you don"t understand ,but you will .

a quote "It is beyond human comprehension to see something dead and dry to become a snake.(moses rod) A surrendered life, which is committed to the Lord, becomes an instrument for mighty wonders."
You know the Word of God is not limited to a book Pilgrim, tho God will not contradict His book, He is certainly not confined within its pages. Did the Word not become flesh? Is the Word not Christ? Is the Word not a living breathing Diety? The only thing our God cannot do is lie. Which tells me if God wants do more miracles in one mans life than what you consider believable, He can. Do you wish to put a timeline on Gods ability to work miracles, or a cap on His power?
While we are being so careful of who`s testimony we believe, (and so we must be) we also must  not forget the wonder and power of God. Gary is not wrong when he says, if you dont believe in miracles you dont really believe in God.
Why are you so quick to say what is "fake?"
If something does not step outside the boundaries of the Word, what is the basis of your conclusion?  Then you say "the gift of speaking in tongues is fake and of the devil and not for today"...for all your insistance for staying within the guidelines of the Word, it escapes me how you can say that, for you have no scriptural support for such a statement.(and yes I`ve read ALL the arguements, there remains no scripture to support them)
The gifts of God are without repentance are they not?
Does the "Word" also say if you believe, all things are possible? I dont accept what a man says on the basis of wether or not hes recieved miracles, he may have, or not, rather does he adhere to the Word, and does His life show the fruits of the Spirit.
For all the frauds and naysayers I say, the gifts and  power of God is often mimicked but never duplicated!

shylnne ,YOU are wise ,You leave every door open for the LORD .I am sure ,HE has revealed this to you and more .SOON we will be with HIm . BUT SADLY ,the unbeliever will be stuck here .BUT I BELIEVE OUR LORD ,will save many in that day .OUR BOND is JESUS CHRIST .BUT FAR BETTER TO COME TO HIM NOW THAN LATER .I GO TO MANY SITES ,and see the same thoughts .a few know and believe the LORD .BUT many reject HIS POWER though the HOLY SPIRIT .A few awake as if asleep .and get on fire for the LORD .I believe they return to there 1st LOVE . many with more desire than me .BUT I THANK GOD HE CAN USE ME IN ANY WAY .AS I DO LOVE MY LORD WITH ALL MY HEART . THE GREATEST MIRACLE EVER IN OUR LIFES ?IS OUR NAME IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE .MIRACLES ARE WONDERFUL ,FOR SURE WHEN YOU NEED ONE ? BUT TO SEE MY FAMILY WALK IN TRUTH IS GREATER TO ME . MY LORD HAS BEEN SO FAITHFUL WITH ME .IT MAKES ME SAD ,I HAVE NOT DONE OR GIVEN MYSELF MORE TO HIM .HOW HE CAN BE SO FAITHFUL TO US AND LONG SUFFERING ?I MAY NEVER TRULY OR FULLY UNDERSTAND .BUT HE IS PURE LOVE .I HAVE ASK HIM MANY TIMES ?WHY LORD ?WHY DO YOU LOVE A WEAK BEING AS ME ? I AM NOT A SMART MAN IN THE WORLD ,I"VE ARGUED WITH MY FATHER ,HE HAS LET ME HAVE MY WAY .BUT I AM SORRY ,I DID NOT ALWAYS TRUST HIM .AS HE SEES EVERYTHING FROM START TO END . I DO believe there is a permissive will and perfect will .THE PERMISSIVE WILL IS TROUBLE .THE PERFECT WILL IS WONDERFUL .  BLESS YOU FOR LOVING OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST .BUT HE NEVER LEAVES OR FORSAKES US .AS ONE OF MY BOYS WAS KILLED .I ask the LORD .FATHER WHERE IS MY SON .I CAN NOT STAND THINKING HE IS IN HELL .HE SAID ?WAS HE BORN AGAIN .I SAID YES LORD .HE SAID ?DID I EVER LEAVE OR FORSAKE YOU ?I SAID NO LORD ,HE SAID ?WHY WOULD I DO IT TO HIM ?

For an excellent study as to the purpose and use of tongues, go to http://www.geocities.com/benwebb.geo/tongues.html.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!

Pilgram, you have little faith my friend. I do not mean that to be a judgement against you but you are limiting the ability of our Almighty Father.

God is the same yesterday, today and forever...He is never changing. Everything was possible for Him in the early church days and is still possible for Him today. This includes, Healing, bringing people back to life, giving the gift of speaking in tounges, communicating with us through other sources than the Bible alone etc....

Speaking in Tongues is a spiritual gift from God and is absolutely still working in followers of Christ today. It is physical proof that the Holy Spirit is within you. Not everyone is blessed with this particular gift but everyone has a special gift that was meant for them.

As far as communicating with God by other means than the Bible alone, how do you believe the Bible was written? It is from God, but by human authors...if you believe the Bible is from God, you must believe God communicated with these authors. God most certainly "speaks" to us today. I personally do not hear God as an "audible voice" however I absolutely know when He is communicating with me. This is the "relationship" I am sure you often hear being referred to between man and our Savior.  

I encourage you, Pilgram to read 1 Corinthians 14.  As far as God not speaking to us...Do you pray? How does He answer your prayers? Not through the Bible....He communicates with us. I ask God for specific scriptures and He guides me right to them. There are plenty of way that God "speaks" to us. These are just a few thoughts....how do you feel about them?

Why? Because I don’t accept the fraud you and others are promoting!


Yesterday God had people sacrificing animals. Do you still sacrifice animals? Yesterday God had people worshiping in the temple at Jerusalem. Do you worship at the temple in Jerusalem? Yesterday people were under the Old Covenant. Are you practicing the Old Covenant. Yesterday God’s priesthood was through the line of Aaron. Are you a priest in the order of Aaron? If not, were is your faith? Why are you limiting God? He is the same yesterday, today and forever! He never changes!  


Not true! The Bible said tongue will cease. And they already have. How many foundations does a building have? If the foundation has already been laid then there no longer is a need for foundation tools.


I have many times. I encourage you  read the article about tongues linked to below and to take the test if you dare.


http://users.bigpond.net.au/joeflorence/tongues.html

Here is a quote from the article:

“If the reading of this treatise precisely dealing with the gift of tongues has left so much as 1% of doubt in your mind, let me approach you on your favorite ground, that of experience itself. But as I do so, I tremble for fear that you will not be honest with yourself and with God. Try this experience for yourself and by yourself. Do it without cheating. Sometime when you are alone and in prayer, tape what you say in tongues before God. You believe that this gift has not been removed and that you genuinely possess it. That is your right, but you must also accept that your brother's gift of interpretation is as authentic as your gift. Choose several of the most spiritual Christians whom you know and in whom you have complete confidence. Ask each one separately to interpret your speaking in tongues. After taping all of them, listen and compare them for yourself, if you have the courage to do so. Within a few words or shades of meaning, each interpretation should say the same thing. Then you can tell me if I exaggerate when I use the word counterfeit. I can imagine what you are feeling as you read these lines. You are disturbed. You may be afraid; afraid to discover the truth. And already you are backing off. You know that you will probably never try this "test". Your heart has already found a good excuse to talk you out of it, but your excuse will convince no one but yourself " It would be sacreligious to put a gift of the Spirit to such an electronic test. I will not stoop to it." Are you sure that this is a good excuse? Under other circumstances you would not hesitate to tape a message, to listen to it yourself and even pass it along to someone else. Or is it the fear of discovering the truth about yourself that makes you hesitate? Here is a way to test the spirits and it is available to you. Besides, electronics is an exact science, and quite neutral. It could never trick you or trick itself. But maybe you would rather be tricked and stay that way. You might be angry with me. I can understand that. You are angry with me for proposing a means of verification that is infallible. The pat answer that "no one understands" is of no help now. Your game of hide-and-seek is over and you have been found out. It took me a long time, but at last I saw the light.”

 

Yesterday I spoke in tongues...and today...and tomorrow I hope His spirit gives me more of the same unction...this leaves  me no doubt you are the one who should be answering these questions such as where is your faith and why are you limiting God?...and your proclamation  of belief in a God unchanging sounds rather weak considering what you are refuting.  :-\



tsk tsk Pilgrim, you know full well the Bible reference you are using says tongues and knowledge shall cease, and to toss out one you have to toss out the other...that wouldnt be hard for some of you unbelievers in tongues to do  ;)


The author of that poorly composed bit of babble didnt see any light at all, he got lost in the dark realm of his own intelligence and remained there  ::)

Pilgrim,  I wish you would ask for an answer from THE source of all knowledge,  no matter how inspired and intellectual the authors you have read may appear to be, or how well you or I think we understand His Word, there is no substitute for the understanding you can gain from being in His presence. When a child of God asks to be filled with His spirit, God doesnt give a counterfeit, I dont care if that one is outnumbered a million to one by frauds. I also care not if i`m outnumbered by a million well phrased refutations that this thing cannot be...I am not a fraud...and I do speak in tongues.

Put your money where your tongue is, Shylynne. Take the test if you dare, then you will see you have been living a lie.  May God lead you to repentance.

plilgrim ,if YOUR honest ?You have not been born again .If you knew my LORD .He would reveal TRUTH to you .Shylynne.I pray my FATHER will bless you more than ever and protect those you love .IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST  I pray LORD YOU will also bless lucky one FATHER in the name of JESUS CHRIST .
I also [pray LORD bring this person to there knees ,that they may know YOU MY FATHER .IN THE NAME OPF JESUS CHRIST .Not by might nor by power ,but your SPIRIT .THANK YOU FATHER .

Pilgrim, you exercise poor judgment.

Whatever experience you had with fake tongue speakers had eschewed your mind. Anything that hints at a physical work from the Holy Spirit evokes that anger.

You do not speak any truths from God. The Holy Spirit has not worked in you...but you wouldnt have believed in that in the first place.

On the contrary, the bible is the crux of your spirituality. That is interesting being that you're the one being proved wrong by it's word. You find yourself in contradiction with the Word. Need proof of that? I think it has been pointed out several times. Shylynne pointed one out recently.

Unlike you, everyone else who has spoken here is supported by the Word. You however are not. Is that not proof enough that you are in error?

From what you think, you might as well disregard 1 cor 12 & 13 completely.



There are fake tongue speakers. There has always been fakes everywhere; wolves in a sheep's clothing. There have always been hypocrits. Maybe in 100 people speaking in tongues, there are 99 people who are not speaking in tongues but cursing God. But just because 99 people are fakes, does that mean that the one person in the 100 isnt speaking in tongues as well? NO. But because 99 people are not tongue speakers you believe that the 1 person who is a tongue speaker isnt. This is the fallacy you are exercising.

Let's say that jumping 10 meters on planet X is possible. You ask everyone on that planet to jump 10 meters high. All of them do, but they cheat by using rocket boosters. Every single one of them do that. So does that mean since they all cheated, that jumping 10 meters on planet X is not possible? You are inclined to saying that it is not possible.

You do not believe that the Holy Spirit can work beyond scripture. Read 1 cor 12 and reconsider this:

You believe fully in scripture...then can you not believe in 1 cor 12?

Just because someone does not understand all things in the Word of God does not mean that they are not saved. Not all will receive full understanding of the Word of God and not all will receive all gifts. We must therefore be careful not to place a stumblingblock in our brothers way.



Co 12:8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, DIVIDING TO EVERY MAN SEVERALLY AS HE WILL.

The Body of Christ is one and we are all a part of that body. Each part has a different function, the eyes to see, the ears to hear.....   Just as the ears cannot see and the eyes cannot hear so are we in the Body of Christ.


 

Isa 40:13  Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

The Word refutes your 'truth' Pilgrim, and you have no answer but the silly test of a man.  If you desire to be a true  student of the Word, you best lay aside the carnal fleshly  tactics you are using to disprove  the things of the Spirit. The scripture doesnt tell us to try the Spirit with a tape recorder now does it?    

  I beg to understand the theology behind believing that if a child of God asks to be given a gift from God, he will be given a counterfeit. Jesus said:
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? "Luke 11:13

Jesus encountered a similiar question in that same passage:  "ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub."

So many say children of God are said to be speaking in tongues through Beelzebub.

Jesus answer suffices  "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace"

There is no time line recorded in the scripture for the cessation of the gifts and manifestations of the Spirit, which also begs the question, why do so many desire to see them cease?  Maybe because...?
 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be." Rom 8:7

If you are saying this on behalf of pilgrim I think there is a big difference. It is not from the incapability of understanding the word; it is from anger that makes him incapable of living in light.

I'm sure Pilgrim has encountered experiences with fake tongue speakers. There is of course a rebuke that went into place against them. There was a degree of anger in that. This isnt a problem.

The problem is that this anger is marring his judgement. That is why I said he is exercising poor judgement. It is from this experience that he even goes beyond to say that the works of the Holy Spirit are non-existant. (planet X analogy) Poor judgement makes you jump to wrong conclusions.


As Christians, we should be able to discern the works of the Holy Spirit (God) from the works of the devil (Satan). If you pray to God for wisdom he will give it to you without finding any fault. Pray to God for wisdom. Look at Solomon. His wisdom made him a wise judge.

Learn to seperate the weeds from the wheat. Dont burn the weeds and the wheat together nor harvest the weeds and the wheat together; be able to seperate them.


Am I saying this against Pilgrim only? No way. There are far more people than Pilgrim who are doing the same thing. Everyone does something similar. People have protested so strongly against racism (which is a good thing) that it has lead to reverse racism. Being politically correct and euphimistic about everything had lead to vague and ambiguous communication due to lack of directness. A movement lead many people to become fake tongue speakers. This has lead to a strong rebuke (which is right) but to the point of denying the fact of the work of the Holy Spirit.  Do you ever argue with an enemy? Even if they say something that is true you deny in your mind that it is absolutely false...though you know full well that it is true.

This is marred judgement.

felix102,

My comments were not to those that may be chastising a brother but rather to the one that made a comment in regards to a persons salvation.

My comments on understanding still stand. Whether it is anger preventing them from receiving that understanding, or whether it has not been given to them in the first place, or from listening to false teachings, this still does not mean that they are not saved.

 plilgrim ,I know you do not know the LORD .But these things are of the HOLY SPIRIT .Nothing of the HOLY SPIRIT can be understood in the flesh .You only see the results .They make little or no sense to the people of the world . Our knowledge comes from GOD .By HIOS HOLY SPIRIT .But WE LOVE you .We want you to know the LORD .Once BORN of GOD ?You will understand MUCH . But in order to know HIM personally .You must repent ,Accept HIM as LORD and savior .And HE will accept YOU into HIS kingdom .You will be HIS SON .But many are willing to accept HIm as savior .But not many as LORD .But HE is LORD anyway ,no matter what .HE has full control over everything .But does not take control over everything .But today is the day of salvation .We do not know if we will see tomorrow . ASK HIM into your heart .HE will take all the deep pain away .No one can see it ?But HE can .Lovingly .gary

Gary,
      I read throught the thread, sorry that some seem to be giving you a hard time.
   Reading your first post has layed a burden upon my heart, first I want to defend a brother, stand strong Gary, when all else has failed continue to stand.....the love the Lord shines brightly in your heart. What some don't understand they want to mock, I understand that tongue is for the edify of the church, but prayer language is different. I look the script up later, but I wanted to share my testimony with you to encourage you.
   I was like you, I wanted to pray in tongues too. But I just couldn't. I attended bible studies, they lay hands on me and pray for me, and all I could do was weep, I went to a meeting out our church with a visiting Pastor and like you those who wanted a prayer language could stay after, I did and nothing happened. I had begin to wonder if I wasn't worthy of such a gift, what was I doing wrong. I finally layed it aside thinking that this gift wasn't for me. But still in my heart I wanted that gift,  but if God didnt intend for me to recieve it then I wouldn't. Several weeks later, after our usual bible study group our leader asked for prayer requests. A lady who I didn't know. (I was a new member, she'd missed several months when her husband had been sick and had just returned) anyway she ask for prayer for a pain that she had been having for a while. She literally lay in a fetal postion sobbing, while everyone layed hands on her and prayed for her, I could feel her pain it was so real, then the Spirit of God TOLD me her pain was for me, at that same moment she rasied reached over to me and told me the same think that I'd just heard in my head. HER pain was for me, she told me the Lord had heard my prayers, .....then we were both sobbing, she told me the Lord had given her this pain several weeks before, I was awed and shocked, immediatly others began to pray for me, her pain begin to stop and YEP PRAISE THE LORD I begin to pray in the most sweet language that I had ever spoken in. Was it a language I knew NOPE, but I knew in my spirit that it was of God, there is no denying that, this women who I didn't know had been carrying this burden for me, she didn't know about my desire to pray in tongues. God used her to show me his love, and his power. And if anyone calls what the Holy Spirit done fake or false then they are guilty of blasphamy.
The tongues I have is what I call my prayer language, it isn't for any other person but between me and God, the perfect utterance of the Holy Spirit speaks thru me, and I do interpit in my own mind what I am saying, I know in my spirit. THe real cool thing is my prayers are heard and understood by God as they ascend to his throne room, and the devil can't understand them.  Does my prayer language make me better than any one else......NO, am I more Holy than other, NO, honestly sometimes its a Holy burden to know that you need to pray and others won't allow it, or recieve it.

You are so blessed, I stand with you and hope that I can call your friend.

oh before I forget, I too felt the Lord wanted me to vote for Bush, he didn't speak it to me, but I KNEW in my spirit Pres Bush was our last chance. Kerry would have ruined this country with some of his Godless ways.

God is good,
musicllover
I loved your testimony,
musicllover

That is a wonderful testamony .I believe it .BLESS YOU BROTHER .Listen ?ASK JESUS CHRIST to show you OUR NEW REST And the rivers of LIVING WATER .They are BOTH FOR US .

Thanks,
           I most defiantly will ask for our new rest and rivers of living water.
      on a side note, I am a female,   ;D
musicllover

SISTER ,IN THE SPIRIT ?We are the same .Bless you

SISTER ,IN THE SPIRIT ?We are the same .Bless you . THAT was the HOLY SPIRIT speaking to you-- oh before I forget, I too felt the Lord wanted me to vote for Bush, he didn't speak it to me, but I KNEW in my spirit Pres Bush was our last chance. Kerry would have ruined this country with some of his Godless ways.  

GOD speaks to us in our minds or souls [same thing ] We feel thinghs in our spirits ?but know trhings in our minds . Ask the HOLY SPIRIT to talk to you in your mind .then you will get used to hearing HIm .And look forward to talking with HIM there every day ,all the time .HE WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING or about anyone .NOTHING HE WILL NOT REVEAL TO YOU .

obviously pilgrim you do not believe that speaking in tongues is real. You sound as if you think it is of satan. If your right then your telling me that the men and woman (including the 12 apostles) are of satan because they spoke in other tongues as the spirit gave the utterance. (Acts 2)

You may not believe it pastor rogers ? But I am led by the HOLY SPIRIT ,at least as much as you are . But I want to tell you ?A man or woman can go too church 100 years and still never know the LORD .I know my LORD . And I believe in my NEW SPIRIT ,I am perfect .BORN OF GOD ,MY FATHER . I talk with MY LORD every day . Now in the flesh ?I still sin .I try very hard not too . But I also love .And tell no one anything ,that may hurt them .Unless I know it may cause them to look into there own heart .I don"t want any being to go into that darkness .I"ve been there ,it is bad .I only told you this ,for your own sake .

Wow,
you guys are truly truly missing a great big point.
Someone said
"Speaking in Tongues is a spiritual gift from God and is absolutely still working in followers of Christ today. It is physical proof that the Holy Spirit is within you. Not everyone is blessed with this particular gift but everyone has a special gift that was meant for them."
1st I just want to break down 3 steps of the plan of Salvation.
1 Believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ
2 Confess that you are a sinner and ask GOD to forgive you
3 Recieve Jesus as Lord and Saviour of you life. (This means you belong to HIM.)
Part 3 is the point when you receive the Holy Spirit because you can not receive Jesus but not receive the Holy Spirit. We agree they are one. So to say that if one does not speak in tounges the Holy Spirit is not abiding is very false.
Now this was a big issue then as it is now. That is the whole reason of this scripture that was earlier posted, yet totally ignored.
1 Corinthians 12: 28-31
28First, God chose some people to be apostles and prophets and teachers for the church. But he also chose some to work miracles or heal the sick or help others or be leaders or speak different kinds of languages. 29Not everyone is an apostle. Not everyone is a prophet. Not everyone is a teacher. Not everyone can work miracles. 30Not everyone can heal the sick. Not everyone can speak different kinds of languages. Not everyone can tell what these languages mean. 31I want you to desire the best gifts. [a] So I will show you a much better way.
Please let GOD's word speak for it self. Please do not close your mind and be unteachable because we can never know everthing about GOD.
I am not saying no one has tounges, I am saying that it is not the evidence of the Holy Spirit. So if you don't have the gift, then that is because GOD did not give it to you and that is HIS will.
Amen.

If you will re-read the previous posts...i'm sure you will find that NOT ALL people have the gift of tongues contrary to what someone said. I don't have the gift of tongues, but the Holy Spirit will manifest itself in me through other avenues. Sorry, but i'm going to play the doubting Thomas here. I've not heard one bit of physical evidence with my own ears that tongues are still in effect today. I"m not doubting the Power of God, however that particular gift has not had to be used in my presence before. God Bless.

Joshua

Sorry but I disagree. In John Chapter 3 we find that where Nicodemus came to Jesus to ask what he must do. Jesus answers and says that you MUST be born of the water and and the spirit to enter heaven.
Therefore baptism is essential to salvation and be born of the spirit is to recieve the Holy Ghost which is with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Acts chapter 2 says they were ALL filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke with other tongues. Not a few speaking in tongues, a few prophecying but ALL were speaking in tongues.

Re-read the Scriptures ph...it's clear that NOT ALL have the gift of tongues. Ephesians 4

7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift. 8Therefore He says:
       "When He ascended on high,
       He led captivity captive,
       And gave gifts to men."
   

    9(Now this, "He ascended"--what does it mean but that He also first[c] descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

    11And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head--Christ-- 16from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.

Notice what it says: "And He Himself gave to SOME to be Apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and some teachers" These are the various GIFTS given unto the Believer. In no way does Scripture support that Tongues were given to ALL believers...simply because it was a sign gift. We each have recieved Grace, but not all of us have the gift of tongues. i know this because I, myself, don't have that gift. i'm aware of what gifts I do have and what gifts I do not have...i've grown in my walk enough to realize what Spiritual gifts the Lord has given me and which ones he has not. Here's another verse that just came to mind:

1 Corinthians 12

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I do not want you to be ignorant: 2You know that[a] you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. 3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.
    4There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

   

Unity and Diversity in One Body
    (A) 12For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into[c] one Spirit. 14For in fact the body is not one member but many.
    15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body," is it therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where would be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling? 18But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased. 19And if they were all one member, where would the body be?

    20But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you." 22No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25that there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.

    27Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31But earnestly desire the best[d] gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

That right there shows that not ALL have the gift of Tongues. I strongly suggest re-reading what Scripture has to say before making such a statement because it can be seen as erroneous and can maybe cause a stumbling block in another's path. God Bless

Joshua

I find that people who believe what you believe have a hard time coming out of the book of ACTS.
Is 1 Corinthians even relevent to you . How can you ignor a very detailed scriptures as this?

1 Corinthians 12: 28-31
28First, God chose some people to be apostles and prophets and teachers for the church. But he also chose some to work miracles or heal the sick or help others or be leaders or speak different kinds of languages. 29Not everyone is an apostle. Not everyone is a prophet. Not everyone is a teacher. Not everyone can work miracles. 30Not everyone can heal the sick. Not everyone can speak different kinds of languages. Not everyone can tell what these languages mean. 31I want you to desire the best gifts. [a] So I will show you a much better way.


Now if you can explain Acts, can you break this one down for me also. Hey I have the Holy Spirit and you nor any other person can tell me I don't. The Holy Spirit is more than tounges, He is Power!!!!! If you receive Jesus you also receive the Holy Spirit and the evidence of that is The Bible. The Bible Tells Me So!!

Amen.
Please explain 1Corin.12:28-31

Amen to Mrs.Chosen and Jemidon!  :D

Bronzesnake

Quote:
"3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. "


JESUS IS LORD JESUS IS LORD JESUS IS LORD JESUS IS GOD JESUS IS LORD GOD

Php,
     I am afraid this is the opinion that has cast a shadow on the gifts. And that many, including myself find very offensive. I have been blessed with the gift of praying in tongues, and I don't believe the scriptures supports your understanding or teaching at all.  What your saying here is If you don't have such and such gift, and you haven't been batized then you don't get into heaven.... BUT, excuse me while I (you) take time to pat yourself on the back...... because you do speak in tongues, and because you got wet and called it a baptism.

Please read the scriptures in its complete context. You've just took everything that Jesus Christ did on the cross and gave it several prerequisites that are not support by the scriptures as a whole, .......
the way you your teaching there should be a signed posted at they the gates of Heaven.
BEFORE ENTERING INTO THE PEARLY GATES (putting aside the fact that Jesus Died for ALL)
Rule 1.
          You must speak in Tongues
Rule 2.
          You must be baptized with water
Rule 3.
           If you don't have any of the above take a left and watch that last step.

You don't honestly believe that everyone is doom to the gates of hell because they don't speak in tongues or not been baptized do you?

musicllover

Being saved is the new birth ,nothing more or less. Everything  else is us obeying or gifts from the HOLY SPIRIT . We receive everything by FAITH .But ?1ST we must believe in order to recieve .We cheat ourselves by not believing .But all things from the HOLY SPIRIT is spiritual .And is 1st recieved by faith in our spirit .We can not see our spirit ,with our fleshly eyes . But walking in our spirit ?We see much and know more .And can hear our LORD clearly . Very simple ,yet hard for us to see ? Because all things of the LORD are simple .Yet we try to understand with our minds and can not ,with out the HOLY SPIRIT revealing these things .Because they are not of this world .As we are NOT of thios world .We are new creatures ,born of GOD .Like our LORD JESUS CHRIST . We have great power ! But until we grow spiritually more like JESUS CHRIST ,HE will not reveal these things to us .Because we could not handle them .HE shows us as much as we can recieve .HE is willing to reveal all .But can not !

It you are right and speaking in tongues isnt for everyone then why did Jesus say in verse 17 of Mark Chapter 16 And these signs shall follow them that believe: IN my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.

He didnt say some were going to he said it for everone that believes.

Quote:
"3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. "


JESUS IS LORD JESUS IS LORD JESUS IS LORD JESUS IS GOD JESUS IS LORD GOD .
tHE BIBLE ALSO SAYS NO ONE CAN SAY JESUS IS LORD EXCEPT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

STUDY BIBLES ARE VERY HANDY WHEN YOU CAN INTERPRET SCRIPTURES FOR YOUR SELF. I HIGHLY RECOMEND THEM TO ALL THAT ARE  IN THE DARK CONCERNING THESE THINGS.

The word used in Mark 16:17 is Glossa which means : tongue, known language. In this passage we see that the usage of "tongue" means that they will be able to speak a foreign language that they had not studied or had know knowledge of how to form words. It would be as if I could speak fluent Japanese and I have not studied the language at all. That's what was mean t in Mark 16:17. As well as He said THEY, He didn't say ALL will speak with tongues. God Bless

Joshua

Mar 16:17  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.  

Any one here ever drink a deadly thing any one here every pray for the sick and they did not recover?

Php,
     Can you please answer my question, you honestly believe if you don't speak in tongues, and have never been batized that you won't get into heaven?

musicllover

yes ,got bit by a copper head ,been dead 2 times .pretty much everything ,then more .like GODS new rest and the rivers of living water .many things and miracles in my life .I think maybe the LORD had to reveal more to me ,yet HE WANTS others to know these things are for them .My boy had died and my mother .I prayed for both and different times .They both came back .I was dead before the new birtrh and once after the new birth .I saw NEW JERUSALEM heading toward earth in 1976 .I never entered the city ,but saw it from outside it .had I entered ?I may not have wanted to return here .Have mixed feeling now .Thinking I should of stayed .But have 2 more kids since that death .

Kinda my editorial on Tongues,

Ok I made this post by accicent, so I'm going to fill in here.
I don't have a problem with anyone speaking in tongues. IF its done in line with the scriptures. IT is a gift of the Holy Spirit, the bible speaks of it, Pauls says not to forbid speaking in tongues. The troulbe is people abuse this gift, either using it to "prove" they are spirit filled, or better than some other person that doesnt have the gift. Still others go completely the other way and say this gift isn't for today, its of the devil etc etc etc.
Either way is in error to the word as I understand it. The debate over if Tongeus in a none langguage or unknown still doesn't void out that Tongues are allowed by the scriptures.
   Worse of these cases are those who insist that you must speak in tongues to go to heaven. I find that so very offensive, NO WHERE does Jesus ever say you must speak in tongues. If speaking in tongues saves then why do we need Jesus? It is the great sacrafice of our Lord and Savior that makes us worthy to even think about going to heaven. The gift (any of them) are here and should be used to his glory......every gift should direct a person toward Jesus Christ, and should reveal Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. Claiming tongues as a saving tool is absolutely wrong.

musicllover

Sorry for the last post I hit the wrong button,

Php,
       No it doesn't say all will speak in tongues if you take the complete idea in mind.  I Cor 12: speaking about the spiritual gifrs from the Holy Spirit, some will have certain gifts, we are all a part of the body of CHrist some have certain abilities that others don't. Like the body each part has a certain duty, or job to do. IF all spoke in tongues what good would it do? IF we were all a foot how would we feed the people? If we were all a mouth who could love the people........ you surely can understand this simple fact. Speaking in tongues is NOT a requirement to get into heaven. There is only one way into Heaven, and that it through Jesus Christ.
     The Matt scripture you offered is referring too the obligation that CHristians should have to spread the good news, Matt 28:18  All authrotiy in heaven and earth..therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the ..teaching them to obey......surely I will be with you always......
       Mark 16:15  Give us the same commission only it written by Mark to the Christians of Rome, where Matthew is address the commission to the Jews. The main point is go spread the good news, it may require speaking in tongues, or handling snakes etc etc then do it becuase where ever you go I'll be there too. If the scripture you are using meant that we all must speak in tongues then it is also saying we must all handle snakes too.
The great commission is instructions to the people of God,  TELL that Jesus is Lord, he died for you, NOT you must speak in tongues so you can go to heaven. If that is the message your spreading you are in error to that commission. I pray that your eyes will be opened friend.

musicllover

musicllover

There is a tongue for everyone of us .It is our spirit ,praying for our needs and in our natural mind .We do not know our spiritual needs .Our inner being is our main being .It is the one GODS works though and it will obey the LORD 100% .It is perfect and born of GOD .It is the son or daghter of GOD .It goes to the LORD at the death or shedding of this flesh .This is the part of us ,We should be lifting up .Then we will see the signs and wonders in our lifes .This is the new creature ,not of this world .There was never a being like this until JESUS CHRIST .We are like HIM now .But we can not see our spirit .But with our mind ?Once renewed to take on the mind or thoughts of JESUS CHRIST ?We can do ALL things in HIM .Everything becomes new to us .But satan tricks us .and does not want us to know the great power with in us .We have the very spirit JESUS CHRIST has .But that is why ,We must walk in our spirit .We start as babes in CHRIST ,recieving everything by FAITH .a little at a time .But get disgusted too quick .Thinking we should be able to do everything and see everything now .But just as kids must grow slowly ?We do .HE will reveal everything too us as we grow .You are paul or peter or any of the great people of the LORD .You are MORE .Lovingly in OUR LORD ,gary.Don"t let anything stop you from believing and growing in our LORD .

Where are your smiley faces. Please tell me you are joking right?

No it is all true and much more .But the snake did not hurt me any at all . ASK the LORD to tell you if this is TRUTH .HE WILL .

Nope he ain't joking. I think he's telling the same story he did before...so i dunno. i'm gonna have to take his word for it...though i'm a bit skeptical myself. ;D He's a good guy witha good heart...just bear with him. God BLess

Joshua

Yo, If you have been dead twice and came back to life you got more resurrections than Jesus. Wooooooooooooooo

By the way gary, how long were you dead each time?

I believe paul died many times .as he said in death oft .Also ,you are dead ?When the spirit leaves the body .John must have died and came back . Dead is not bad when born of GIOD .You are with the LORD so fast .like a blink of an eye .It is the unknown we tend to fear .Yet our LORD told us ?Death where is your sting ?Because there is none for us .but for the world .it is there .The greatest miracle ,you have ?Your name in the LANBS BOOK OF LIFE .

I have no idea .As the last time the nurse ran in my room ,But they had overdosed the whole floor .I was awake then and told her to take care of the others .But both times could not have been more than 10 minutes ,just guessing .But my boy daniel was dropped by the nurse when born .He was gone for 20 minutes .They gave up .But me and my wife kept praying and he came back .He is 11 now and very smart . but his gap score was 3 .worse than retarded .last year he got 91% on the nationmal score and was on the honor roll ,and head of the school patrol ..My wife could not have kids .She awoke crying one night ,make a long story short .I told her to ask .JESUS CHRIST into her heart and then to pray .GOD would putb love in her heart for her dad .Who abused her bad .Then to pray the LORD would give her a child and that she would raise him in spirit and truth .So that is how we got daniel .Then 5 years later sarah .Im have 11kids.but only 2 little ones 6years old and 11 .I am 58 my wife 34 .She told me her life story and tears came down my cheeks .I then told her I would marry her .That was about little over 12 years ago .Then she was with daniel about 6months .And I told the LORD to give me a house .I awoke about a week later unable to move from my neck down .Then I got a settlement from my job and bought the house .LORD works in funny ways .Praise HIS HOLY NAME .