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Bigotry is one of the biggest problems that has plagued history. Many people attribute bigotry to groups like the KKK and other white supremacist groups. But unfortunately many people have closed their eyes to some of the policies that the Democratic Party have adopted. Adolph Hitler was himself a socialist who believed that the state should control everything. His believe that those in charge should have god like status was no different than those of the old Roman empire that elevated Caesar to the status of a god. Many people don't realize however just where Hitler got some of his views from. Margaret Sanger was a well known feminist of the early 20th century. She held the view that all ignorant people should be exterminated. Many of you know her as the founder of Planned Parenthood. The web sites listed below have more than enough information to enlighten those that wish to research this out further. There are those that are unwilling to take a stand on this issue but I believe that George Bush is not one of these people. I have read a lot of views and heard a lot of different people talk about how George Bush is bad for this country and that John Kerry would turn things around. The only thing that the Democrats want is to be able to appoint Liberal judges in this country that would continue to destroy the Christian community. They talk about freedom of speech while trying to silence the Christians and keep them from speaking out on the evils that are going on in America. Jesus commanded us to be lights that would direct the world to him. He did not command us to be politically correct. We can love those around us as Christ has commanded and still stand in the gap against sin. Unfortunately many in the Christian community have decided that their pocket books are more important than the sanctity of life. Satan has succeeded in dividing the church with many Christians supporting politicians that support abortion and other socialist programs that place the government above everything else, including God. The argument that the Founding Fathers supported Separation of Church and State is a bogus argument. What they intended was to keep the government from setting up a state run church which tells you what to believe. Much like what is happening in China today. We as Christians cannot stand by like so many did when Hitler was killing millions of Jews. We need to be lights and we also need to be truthful and stop this politically correct nonsense that is going on. Help spread the word on this and expose Planned Parenthood and the Democrats for what they really intend to do.

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
http://www.pro-life.net/sanger/pivot_in.htm
http://www.pro-life.net/sanger/woman_in.htm
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/Holocaust6.cfm
http://www.ridgenet.net/~darwin/jerseygirls.html
http://www.hli.org/
http://www.abortionviolence.com/
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/
http://www.hli.org/bcr.html
http://www.lancasterlife.com/NurembergFiles/

The people of America need to know what the Democrats have been attempting to keep hidden from them. The Democrats and the press continue to hide the truth and Americans are making decisions based on lies and half-truths.

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The nazi eugentic policies were indeed influenced by Amecian policies. Sanger was a daugher of her father the Devil.

I object to singling out Jews though. If anyone is interested in the various Nazi eugenic policies we can speak further, but for now the T-4 Euthanasion program targeted primarily Germans from the very start, then later morphed into what the bureaucrats call the 14f13 program which targeted Soviet mental patients so that their beds could be freed up for German casualties. Standing by while German and Slavic mental patients were murdered or American unborn babies are murdered is no different than standing by while Jews were muredered. No difference at all.

The Norwegians also had a similar program after the war, "Tyskerbasters" is a key word that will get the interested person more info.

You make a good point. Hitler indeed tried to exterminate anyone that stood in his way. Just like any other totalitarian or socialist leader that felt his policies where being subverted by those that disagreed with them. Much like what happened in Iraq with Hussein. And once again the world turned its back on the butchery. One thing that we have learned from all this is that we don’t learn from history. If things don’t personally effect us we have a tendency to just turn our backs on it. This may upset people but I believe Jerry Falwell was correct in his statement that the sins of America where what caused 9/11. But I also believe that it was the only way that God could get our attention to what was happening in Iraq. Eugenic policies of any kind are an abomination and will in one way or another be dealt with by God. History has shown that He has used nations to deal with other nations more times that he rained fire down from heaven like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah. Maybe this is because he wants us to recognize just what sin is. Although we are not  the final judges of man we can judge for ourselves what sin is.

AMEN!!  darwinatridge,

I chose to stand up for Jesus long ago. Planned Parenthood is doing incredible evil all over America.

Love In Christ,
Tom

I give a second AMEN!! to that.

Bigotry is just wholesale hubris - men inflated with themselves.  Degrees of it are probably in all of us.  Look what came out of Germany - the cradle of the Reformation.

Christians are as susceptible to bigotry as anyone else - the Crusades, or the denominational warring since Martin Luther - the harlot - the RCC - and her harlot chillun - the protestants.   ::)

Agreeably, it's all one big mess.  

But even among 'conservatives' is the same liberal, bigoted bent, now, it seems.

I'm not sure that liberals have a monopoly on bigotry.

No they don't. But the conservatives are not going around promoting the killing of unborn babies, are they! ???

There really aren't too many traditional conservatives around anymore. Just yesterday there was a post on this forum recommending that Falluja should be destroyed. That's just as bad as killing Jews or the unborn.


Yawn. Saddam was killing a bunch of crazy Kurds who have as an ethnic group killed more Christians than anyone else in the history of the mideast. Ask the next Armenian or Assyrian you meet what they think of Kurds.

Killing in cold blood is evil, but killing Protestants in Zimbabwe is just as bad as killing Kurds, no?

It was far better in Iraq for Christians and unborn kids in Iraq under Saddam as it was and is in China for Christians and unborn kids. But it's hopeless talking to the herd when they are stampeding.

How many of the neocon Jews or Christian Zionists like Falwell are advocating military action against China?

None. Iraq was a puny nation who couldn't fight back, China can. No wonder neocons are called "chicken hawks" and "small, round shouldered men who never volunteered for military action". We are not righteous in smashing a poor, weak nation, we are a bunch of bullies every bit as bad as the commies and nazis.

But tell me anyone who dares to be honest. How many human beings (including the unborn) have been killed in Iraq during the past 10 years as opposed to China?

No, but ima thinkin more and more that instead of people changing to another view, like conservative to liberal, that the definitions themselves are being changed - like, the definition of conservative will 'include' abortion...

It's just that, perhaps, liberal v. conservative will just be a semantical question of how the abortion is performed.

Like, during the French Revolution, the guillotine was considered a 'humane' way to ethnic cleanse the 'citizenry'(i.e., everyone went about calling each other 'Citizen This' and 'Citizen that'.   ::)

So they were being 'conservative' in how humanely they chopped your head off.

But they still chopped your head off.   ::)

So there'll still be conservatives and liberals.  But instead of the argument being on whether to abort, it will be on just 'how' to abort.

I think the same principal will apply ultimately to every human vice - whether conservative or liberal, we're still all rebels?

Liberals will do the chopping, conservatives will look the other way?

One is to many in any of these nation. Just like one to many Christians that died in any of these countries standing up against these atrocities. How broad does their shoulders have to be to take a stand for Jesus? As for all these other nations, isn't there something in Revelations about all of them meeting on the battle field in the near future?

Hmmmm, It sure would be great to have a third party to vote for that had some Godly values. But until then or if then, I'll have to put my trust in God and vote for George Bush.

Yes, the neocons that suckered us into the war with Iraq are mostly pro-abortion.


http://www.affbrainwash.com/archives/013929.php

AMEN DARWINATRIDGE!

I pray for the Christians working around the world every day, especially the missionaries and those trying to get food and medical supplies to dying people. I give thanks for what they are trying to do in such difficult and dangerous places.

Bible prophesies will be fulfilled, and no man or nation will be able to stop it when God's appointed time comes. Maybe this is just a preview, but maybe this time has come. Regardless, God's will be done. Casual students of Bible prophesy will  easily recognize the middle East, Israel, and Iraq.

Love In Christ,
Tom

I didn't serve very long, 6 months teaching reading as an assistant to a Bible translator in Papua New Guinea, and longer in South Africa, but I'm glad you support these people. I got amoebic dysentary in PNG and it's no fun.

But what do you see about Iraq in the Bible in terms of prophesy?

Oh, I've heard of the amoebic dysentary.  A talk show host I use to listen to, Roy Masters, out of Medford, Oregon, a few years ago, said he had gotten one swimming.  Apparently almost killed him.

Iraq is ancient Assyria and Babylon.  Also the apparent home of the Garden of Eden.

An interesting correlation in Daniel.  A 7th Day adventist pointed it out to me a dozen years ago.    

Symphony,

Received in email - I haven't checked for accuracy.

IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?

1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq.

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had
been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq.

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

People who claim that others, such as family planning advocates are somehow the spawn of satan do the rest of the christian community such a grave diservice.  I don't mean to suggest that we have to become politicaly correct, but we do have to seriously discourage those on the frightening extreme-right fringe.  We have serious moral questions to ask, and they need serious answers.  Blaming satan for the woes of the world (If we are now calling rational and planned parenthood for today's youth a woe) is simply ludicrous and infantile.  It takes very little intellectual prowess to hide behind the dogma of our past, and as a result, that sort of problem solving tactic isn't going to solve much.  Its high time we put this troubling sort of hateful rehtoric behind us, and start to think about ways we as christians can continue to do god's work in todays new global reality.  

Thomas2004,

Maybe you're not informed about what Planned Parenthood is doing in our schools with our children. If you are informed, we can agree to disagree. Planned Parenthood has successfully fought to get the dirty details of alternative lifestyles into the 3rd grade curriculum of many school systems. My children are raised, but that won't be done in the school system of my city without a fight. Call it what you will, but I call it evil and most Christians agree. That has no place in public schools at all. I'm not at all concerned with those who disagree. Further, I would strongly question whether that person was a Christian or not.

Tom

BEP,

On this issue, i think you are right in that we may have to agree to disagree, however, I think that your line of argumentation sort of speaks to my point.  Throwing around terms like "evil" ensures that your point will be taken more as hyperbole than fact.  Furthermore, by questioning someone's depth of faith, you put yourself in a dangerous holier than thou predicament.  By making statements that are more likely to offend than convince, very few aspects of the christian agenda can be accomplished.  That is what I was trying to get across. My post was more a comment on the style of argumentation occasionally used herein.  Thanks for your reply.

Thomas2004,

Christians who stand up for good and against evil could care less about worldly approval. It's really just as simple as that. If you think that 3rd graders should be taught that garbage by Planned Parenthood, most Christians will oppose you, including me.

Isaiah 5:20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

To suggest that I think 7 year olds should be getting sex-ed in schools is a gross misrepresentation.  I thought my point was quite clear, but I will try again to make it so.  There are things in this world that you and I both see as wrong for various reasons.  While you insist on calling them evil and simply leaving it at that, I am trying to find perhaps some more rational and approchable lines of argumentation.  I'm sure you will agree that your community's schools would be better off if the Planned Parenting group were not permitted to discuss certain issues.  Therefore, while you may feel justified in saying "abomination, end of story", you're not going to accomplish anything by doing so. (ie you're not going to convince anyone that you're right)  While you seem to have some strong beleifs, and I aplaud your zeal, you don't seem to be very result oriented.  In fact, at times many people here remind me of children with their eyes closed and their fingers stuffed into their ears.  Its safe, its comfortable, and best of all, you don't have to listen to anybody.  But as long as you're keeping satan at bay by doing so, I guess you'll be okay.

(http://www.john812.com/img/abort1.jpg)

rational, huh?

(http://www.john812.com/img/abort2.jpg)

approachable, huh??


Some things can only be described or approached as evil.
"eschew evil, that it may go right with you in the day of reckoning..."

They say that a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case a picture can only begin to describe the condition of a person's heart that can and does commit such atrocities. There is no justification for those that do these things. None at all. There is salvation for those that repent from their actions but it is a choice that must be made by them. Those that go into hell for these acts have chosen to do so of their own free will. They may have done so by buying into Satan's lies but it was their choice.

Evangalist,

I'm glad you chose to retort by showing gruesome pictures on a discussion forum used by children as well as adults.  While you may find it appropriate to frighten your children with such images, I find it quite boerish.  The fact that you chose that style of argument makes me beleive that you must have misinterpreted my post.  At no time did I say that abortion was approachable.  I did however, suggest that more approachable arguments must be forwarded by the staunch Christian community, in order to make headway in the fight against such procedures.  The wording here may be subtle, but these two points are miles apart.  In the end though, Roe V. Wade has been held up by numerous republican administrations and as such, an all out ban is highly unlikely.  I beleive it to be high time you focus your energy on finding ways of legislating some abortion control measures, as opposed to criminalizing it.  I do not beleive that in a nation now consisting of millions who do not see abortion as a cardinal sin, a womans right to chose will ever again be suplanted by religious doctrine, thank God.

Terms of God Capitalized

thomas2004,

Are you a Christian?

Regardless, God and other terms of respect are capitalized. I don't think that you are illiterate, but maybe someone forgot to teach you this. The names of God will be capitalized here.

Moderator

Thomas...
Please read through these few verses, then I will make my point.

Psalms 97:10 - You who love the Lord, hate evil!

1 John 2:15-17 - Do not love the world or the things of the world, including lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life. If we love these things, the love of the Father is not in us! Again, if we love God, we are forbidden to love the things which oppose Him. In fact it is impossible to love both God and evil.

Matthew 6:24 - You cannot have two masters. You love one and despise the other.

Romans 12:9 - Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. Note that proper love requires us to abhor evil

Psalm 36:1-4 - One of the characteristics for which God rebukes wicked people is that they fail to abhor evil. Instead, they devise evil and think their evil will not be discovered and hated. It is not wrong for us to hate evil. The people who are wrong are the ones who do not hate evil and who criticize us because we do hate it!

1 Kings 22:8 - The prophet Micaiah prophesied evil against Ahab, so Ahab hated him. Was the prophet wrong? No, God had sent him. The problem was that the king did not like to be told he was wrong!

 Perhaps we should remove all words from the Bible which might offend the secular world also. You know - ugly words, such as "evil" "Jesus" and "satan"

 Seems to me that, for a person who claims to be Christian, you spend most of your time chastising Christians for using Christian language and Bible based theologies in favor of secular sensibilities. You come across as a secular apologist.
Can you not understand that our arguments are based on Biblical doctrine, and that we are commanded, as Christians to proclaim God's Word?

 Christians shouldn't use words or ideas from the Bible in your mind, because non Christians won't take us seriously. Take that to it's logical conclusion...Perhaps we shouldn't use the name of Jesus either - that would surely upset secular sensibilities. Abortion doesn't bother such people, but words like "evil" and "Jesus" are not tolerated. Abortion is a "reasonable alternative" to actually having to carry a child to term, and having to go through all that messy delivery stuff. However, Christians had better not dare say prayers in class! and it's intolerable for the Ten Commandments to be publicly viewed! heck, imagine the chaos if children were taught Christian values?!!! what would we do if criminals actually read and took the Ten Commandments to heart, and turned their lives around! we'd have to fire a whole pile of judges and brilliant legal minds! that is not acceptable!

 No my friend! I will never pander to fools such as that!
It's amazing that Christians are being held in contempt for fighting from a moral high ground based on God's Word - how dare you presume to supplant God's authority in favor of the sensibilities of Godless narcissistic autocrats! Do you actually believe such people can be "nicely talked" out of their self serving lifestyles? Get real - Get God - or get going!

Bronzesnake

They are in control of the house and the presidency and uphold the law that allows abortion. They do nothing to repeal a law that came into being under a so called conservative president, Mr Nixon, and His conservative appointed supreme court justices.

Brother Ollie,

That is simply not true. This administration has done more to end abortion than all other administrations combined, and they did win a few battles. I think that I mentioned more specifics in another thread, but you can easily get the specifics for yourself. The Bush Administration has worked diligently to end abortion. If Kerry is elected, he will try to protect abortion forever. Those are just the plain and simple facts. Kerry even promised to use a litmus test for appointed Judges. If they were against abortion, Kerry would not appoint them. There really isn't any gray or anything uncertain here at all. Kerry is pro-abortion, and Bush is anti-abortion.

Love In Christ,
Tom

 Am I to assume here that you find that God thinks that every time there is a abortion performed that takes the life of one of His precious little ones that it is boring to him. What kind of a statement is that? I don't speak for God because He is surely able to speak for Himself.  But I'm afraid that I myself find that kind of statement offensive. There has been an attempt in this nation over the last few years to silence Christians for speaking out against such evils. The hypocrites that don't mind promoting their perverse trash seem to have a problem when they see something like these pictures. The images that you see are nothing compared to the images that God has seen. These atrocities are still taking place every day. Planned Parenthood is one of the most bigoted organizations that Satan has ever used. You may think that these pictures are boerish but they are real. Hitler did not think that anything that exposed his agenda was at all boerish. In fact, he sot to exterminate anyone that stood against his agenda. He sot to destroy any evidence that exposed what he was doing. This included getting rid of the bible. Many none Christians are up in arms when there is any hint of removing books that they feel they should be allowed to read. They scream as loud as they can. If people are upset about these pictures, that is not going to make this problem go away. Jesus said that the darkness will be brought out into the light. If seeing these pictures causes someone to repent then, PRAISE GOD. That is what truth is all about, getting people to repent and turn to God. Closing your eyes to the truth does not save anyone.

WHOA!!!! This snake's got a bite!!
Go Git'em, Bro!!!! ;D

darwinatridge:

Actually, he was trying to say "boorish", which means
"resembling or befitting a boor (as in crude insensitivity)".

But, as one who has had higher education (college career), and is obviously better educated and a more responsible/enlightened thinker than the rest of us fundamentalists, he managed to misspell the word.....along with a few more.

 And yes, I'm sure he does think that not only was I churlish with the posting of the pics (reality is tough, ain't it?), but that God also would prefer for all of us to turn away and not look at it.

Evil cannot be reasoned with....because evil wins when we try.
Evil, by it's very nature, is unreasonable, because it opposes God, who is the ONLY reasonable one in existence.

AMEN!! Bronzesnake, Darwinatridge, Evangelist,

Brothers, I have decided to be "boorish"!


If that statement is boorish, I'm proud to be boorish.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Amen!

Mat 18:10  Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Imagine, if you will.

An abortion doctor dies, and is immediately transported to stand before the Righteous Judge.

When asked about his performing abortions, his reply is: "well, first of all they weren't human...only a fetus....a non-person, as it were. Besides that, the mothers choice to not have a child is far more important than a non-person's choice, as if they could make one."

At this point, the judge holds out His hands, within which are a number of tiny parts, none attached. He says "do you recognize these?"

The abortionist says "no, not off hand I don't...they all look the same in that condition."

The Judge says: "do you think you can put these parts back together again?"

The abortionist replies "of course not."

The Judge then folds His hands around the parts, then opens them up to show a beautiful, complete baby, and says: "then why did you take them apart?"

"as you have done to the least of these, so shall it be done to you..."

Forgive me for jumping to conclusions. However, I do believe that this is an issue that we as Christians cannot let up on. I believe we should be praying for every woman that even considers an abortion. We should be praying for every doctor that performs an abortion. And we should be making sure that everyone in America knows just what the truth is about abortion. It is a tool that Satan has used to destroy lives and to divide us as a nation. I will continue to be adamant  about placing this information out there so that people can see the truth about what abortion is all about. There is nothing good that can come from abortion. The bible tells us that Gods people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge. We need to be compassionate to a world that is just as gravely in need of a savior than ever before. God has extended His grace to a world that is still rejecting Him. He is also the same Holy God He has always been. His promise to punish evil still and always stands. The problem is that Satan has pushed his lies and many people have bought into these lies. We as a nation came together yesterday to select a President. I believe that President Bush Is a man of God and his faith is what helped him get reelected. I hope that America will come together and stand up for godly values. I will never believe for a moment that Satan is just going to set down and give up. Until Christ comes back Satan will never give up. He will work even harder to divide us and keep us from knowing the truth and from acting on the truth. We as Christians cannot rest until Christ gives us that rest. We need to be loving and compassionate as we are commanded but we also need to stand on Gods whole word.
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
http://www.pro-life.net/sanger/pivot_in.htm
http://www.pro-life.net/sanger/woman_in.htm
http://www.ldi.org/DeathCamps/Holocaust6.cfm
http://www.ridgenet.net/~darwin/jerseygirls.html
http://www.darwinshome.com/
http://www.lancasterlife.com/NurembergFiles/
http://www.hli.org/
http://www.abortionviolence.com/
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/

Evangelist - Paster Roger - BEP - Darwinatridge -

What a force we have combined to become!!!
We are soldiers in God's army - I ask you - who can stand against us?!!

Bronzesnake

"If God be for us, then who can be against us?"

Is He for us? Yes.

Can someone be against us? Absolutely.

Will they win? NEVER.

Now.....what is this army gonna do about it?

Brothers and Sisters,

A simple majority in the House or the Senate won't end abortion. I don't know if a super majority in the House and Senate will end abortion, considering that many Federal Judges and the Supreme Court may try to nullify it and make it void.

It needs to be a part of our Constitutions, State and Federal, to take the meddling fingers of the Judges out of the mix. I think that will be done with marriage, and the same could be done with abortion. On marriage issues, Federal Judges have already said that a vote of the people means nothing. Well, we need to prove to them our vote does matter and put them in their places as servants, not rulers. The separation of power in this country is broken, and it needs to be fixed.

Just 2 cents worth.

Love In Christ,
Tom

BEP,

Just a quick point.  In Canada, we too are experiencing a problem with activist judges.  For the most part, I agree they can act in a very undemocratic fashion, which, at best is problematic.  However, if all decisions regarding the rights of individuals were made by the population as a whole, I think our continent would perhaps be worse for it.  In your country for example, it was judges that forced an end to segregation with Brown V. Board of Education, a wildly unpopular move in many places at the time.  If left to a vote, I'm sure many states would have voted overwhealmingly to hang onto segregationist pracrtices.  In my opinion, it is quite dangerous to allow a majority to decide the fate of a minority, particularily when it comes to human rights.  Sometimes, for the moral good of the nation, we need judges who have the stregth of conviction to make unpopular rullings.  I'm not saying this is the case with the abortion issue, just something to ponder before you make your plea for more democratic accountability in the supreme court.

 Matthew 5:43.  "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
 44.  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 45.  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 46.  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 47.  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 48.  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Thomas2004

You are very right about the activist judges. Both in America and Canada judges have sot to undermine biblical values. The question is. Just where are these judges getting their values from? One of the biggest phrases I have been hearing over the last several years has to do with personnel freedoms. That is the right of freedom of choice! This is just what the Gospel is all about. God has sot to set us free so that we can enjoy this freedom. What many will not admit is that there is accountability in making choices. True freedom means making godly choices. Not just making choices on what makes you feel good. These judges have lost touch with reality. We have schools teaching our kids that they are nothing but animals and that life is meaningless. How would anyone expect them to react any different if this is what they are being taught? These are tools of Satan that he has exploited to destroy lives. Blackeyedpeas is right. Its is going to take more than a simple majority in the House and Senate for changes to be made. It is going to take a change in the attitudes of the heart. Here is a prayer that was offered up several years ago to the Kansas House of Representatives by Minister Joe Wright.

''Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask Your forgiveness and to seek Your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, ''Woe to those who call evil good.'' but that is exactly what we have done. We have lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.

We confess that:

    * We have ridiculed the absolute truth of Your Word ...... and called it Pluralism.
    * We have worshipped other gods ...... and called it multiculturalism.
    * We have endorsed perversion ...... and called it alternative lifestyle.
    * We have exploited the poor ...... and called it the lottery.
    * We have rewarded laziness ...... and called it welfare.
    * We have killed our unborn ...... and called it choice.
    * We have shot the abortionist ...... and called it justifiable.
    * We have neglected to discipline our children ...... and called it building self-esteem.
    * We have abused power ...... and called it politics.
    * We have coveted our neighbor's possessions ...... and called it ambition.
    * We have polluted the air with profanity ...... and pornography and called it freedom of expression.
    * We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our forefathers ...... and called it enlightenment.

Search us, Oh God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free. Guide and bless these men and women who have been sent to direct us to the center of your will. I ask it in the Name of Your Son, the living Savior, Jesus Christ. ---- Amen.''

We must hold ourselves to a godly standard while praying for our enemies as ollie very gracefully reminds us. We also must hold our leaders to a higher standard. We in America have been given a gift that most in the world simply do not have. The world is looking at us. And if we allow judges to take us down a path of moral destruction the natural effect of the heart is to follow that path.

AMEN!!! Darwinatridge!

I add my AMEN.

darwinatridge
Very nice my friend!

 God's not in Heaven saying "let's make a deal" He's in Heaven saying "This is the deal!"

Bronzesnake

There are several possibilities to fix the out-of-control mindset of activism.

One is that through the Congress, it is possible to pass a law that specifically prohibits the judiciary from hearing any case involving it. It has never (to my knowledge) been done, but the legal grounds for it do exist.

Second, although members of the Federal judiciary are appointed for life, there is a mechanism for their impeachment. It begins with the populace raising such a hue and cry about a specific judge with the congressional judiciary panel that the panel itself is forced to investigate and bring cause for a hearing for impeachment.

In the history of the US, 13 judges have been impeached and brought to trial, and 7 were removed from the bench after conviction.

The Constitution guarantees judges their position only "for the duration of good conduct", and also declares that they cannot ignore the standard of "protecting the fundamental principle of the consent of the governed", or "we the people."

You can read more about this  principle here (http://www.wallbuilders.com/resources/search/detail.php?ResourceID=69).

As noted, the rule of impeachment has been used whenever judges ignored public interest, affronted the will of the people, or arbitrarily exercised power by becoming a policy-maker.

59 million plus citizens have declared their stand based primarily on moral issues: marriage, abortion, and faith. Now it is time to energize those same 59 million into a force that the congress cannot ignore, and force them to do "the will of the people," instead of kow-towing to the perverse desires and mutterings of a decadent minority.

He who barks loudest and longest will wake the neighborhood.

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Broonzesnake,

I'm just curious as to why you feel that we need to appologize fo recent policies of multiculturalism?  I personnaly feel that the presence of other cultures and ideas enriches my life in many positive ways.  For example, while I do not follow the teachings of buddist monks, Jewish rabi's or Hindu spiritual leaders, I've always found theological discussion with these sorts of people fascinating.  Besides, the openess and religious tolerance upon which Canada and the U.S. was predicated is the very characteristc that seperates us from many other global regions.  If we were to allow religious doctrine to become the basis for policy, particularily in the realm of human rights, we would quickly become quite similar to the fundamentalist islamic states that we so abhor.  I'm all for the adhearance to staunch religious morals if that is your cup of tea, but I'm also for the fundamental separation of church and state.  I don't want to wake up in the morning to find myself in any sort of theocracy, Christian, Islamic, Hindu or otherwise.

 Very crafty my friend - That's the same kind of sly trickery that satan used to convince Adam and Eve that they would surely not die if they disobeyed God Almighty.

 Study those other "religions" Thomas then show me any prophecies which have come to pass - show me any personage who claims to be God - direct me to any archaeological corroboration - point me to the historical corroboration - have any of the major "religious" figure-Heads made any claims close to  "I am the way, the Truth, and the light. No one comes to the Father but by me".

 You claim to be a Christian and yet you you chose to supplant God's will and authority for man's - you won't be standing before any men when this thing winds to it's conclusion my friend, you will kneel before the Great and Terrifying God Almighty. When He begins to judge you, I wonder, will you demand that He refrains from using nasty words such as "evil" and Jesus Christ?

 You don't take the Bible literally, and I tell you this - God will not take you literally either.

 Jesus literally was born of a virgin

Jesus literally was born in Bethlehem

Jesus literally cured the blind

Jesus literally cured the deaf

Jesus literally made the lame walk

Jesus literally turned water into wine

Jesus literally raised the dead.

Jesus literally was innocent and falsely accused

Jesus literally was humiliated and beaten

Jesus literally was crucified

Jesus literally rose from the dead.

Jesus literally was seen after the crucifixion by many people including over 500 at one time

Jesus literally ascended into Heaven on a cloud and literally sits at the right hand of the Father.

Jesus will literally rapture His church before the Tribulation

Jesus will literally return with His church to put an end to EVIL
and to judge the living and the dead - all those people who belong to the religions you mentioned with the exception of the Jews will literally die in their sins unless they accept Jesus, literally! His Kingdom will last for ever and ever, literally!

Christianity is not a democracy Thomas, it's a Monarchy, and Jesus literally is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

 Is Jesus the Lord of your life Thomas? or is that too restrictive for your lifestyle choices?

Bronzesnake.

I think it's more of a fundamental separation of state from church in that the state can not dictate your religion.

I'm not for the banning of other religions nor do I want the Government to become a theocracy.  In this I agree with you.  However all of our laws are based in large part to morality.  More and more I am seeing people fight for the criminals and forget the victims and seeing people call good evil and evil good.  This is troubling.  Eventually those things that we know to be good and moral will become against the law.  We hear freedom of speech though now quoting certain parts of scriputre in public (in Canada ) is now hate speech.  I suppose that means there is a little less freedom of Christianty then.  I see this same trend trying to come to the US as well.

We've had an athiest father claim it unfair for his daughter to say "under God" in the pledge of alligiance yet his daughter is a church going Christian.  This is a problem and I voted for a officials I thought would do things more in accordance with the LORD and what is right than one for the vocal minority.  It saddens me that PA is a democratic state.   :(  Maybe we'll wake up one day.

It's funny though that people contest the Bush will make a theocracy (regardless of the fact he's only got 4 more years and he's done for good) yet the Repulican party is less government and the Democratic party is more government.

I biggest beef with democrats is that they show from their policies and stances that people are too stupid to do things on their own and they govn't needs to do it for them, all the while claiming to give people choice.  Talk about putting a spin on things.

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While we may not see eye to eye, thank you for your well thought out and civil reply.  It was quite refreshing to see someone willing to debate certain issues without resorting to personal attacks.

 You know, Thomas, I've searched through some posts and I don't see any personal attacks against you.

Bronzesnake

Bronzesnake,

thomas2004 may be thinking of many of his posts that were deleted and multiple warnings from both moderators. The posts that finally got him banned contained obscene material.

Love In Christ,
Tom

 Another one bites the dust!  :D

Bronzesnake