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Title: Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 22, 2004, 07:22:08 PM
This is a test post. I collect carnivorous plants, and a newly discovered species from Australia that I have in my collection has what are believed to be "egg mimics". Several plants have these, and usually are used to ward away preditors. They are growths in the shape of insect eggs. Here is a picture I took of this plant

(http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/10128/orig/104025.jpg)

and a closeup of the organs

(http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/10128/orig/104024.jpg)

Perhaps these look like eggs that a parasitic wasp feeds on, and when the wasp comes down, it gets trapped by the plant's tenticals and is eaten. I don't know how anyone can believe in the theory of evolution when they study plants. They are just too complicated.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: artputey on October 23, 2004, 09:00:00 AM
That is very interesting


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Kalthzar on October 23, 2004, 02:08:47 PM
looks almost like a sundew plant


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: nChrist on October 23, 2004, 03:54:44 PM
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This is a test post. I collect carnivorous plants, and a newly discovered species from Australia that I have in my collection has what are believed to be "egg mimics". Several plants have these, and usually are used to ward away preditors. They are growths in the shape of insect eggs. Here is a picture I took of this plant

Tim Vaughn,

I don't know where this thread is going, but we don't allow posts here that defend or promote the theory of evolution. Maybe that's why you called it a test post. Regardless, posts of that type are deleted, and the poster is given a warning.

Moderator


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 08:05:31 PM
It is a species of Sundew, and a cursory reading of the post shows that it is against the theory of evolution.

I wrote

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I don't know how anyone can believe in the theory of evolution when they study plants

I will try to keep it more simple in the future. I'm sorry that is was so complicated.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 08:09:29 PM
Here is another of my photos

(http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/10128/orig/45076.jpg)

This plant closes fast on the bug, and then digests it. How could that happen by evolution? I don't think so. I would say it is impossible. I think that the Lord just created it this way.

I hope that was clear enough. If not, please contact me.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 08:11:34 PM
And another, where this Portugese plant caught, slimed and is eating this fly.

(http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/10128/medium/93260.jpg)


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 08:57:36 PM
(http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_portfolio/10128/medium/43699.jpg)

And this Mexican plant drew down this ant to destruction.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Kalthzar on October 24, 2004, 06:01:34 PM
Whoever said the natural world was pretty and nice was dead wrong....and i can't remember who  ???


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 24, 2004, 06:26:22 PM
Red in tooth and claw!

But I can't resist collecting these plants. Here are some pics of my collection

http://www.pbase.com/beekeeper/plants

and of my bees

http://www.pbase.com/beekeeper/bees

I know you are an atheist, but to me, having worked all my life in one sort of agriculture or another, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in creationism.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Kalthzar on October 25, 2004, 11:19:51 AM
I just beleive in it i don't have faith, sorry i like to differentiate between the two. But then I havn't really looked at the theory of evoulotion that much.

Nice pics, what do you mean by Scottish extraction? (i live in scotland)


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 08:51:35 AM
Mom's clan Anderson.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Symphony on October 26, 2004, 10:36:49 AM

Wow, some really neat photographs, TimV.  Did you take all of those.  Looks like some skilled photography to me.  


Carnivorous plants have always definitely held my facination, tho I'm only familiar with the Venus Flytrap...

God is definitely one bag of tricks - infinite variation of all kinds.

I like Job's rendition of God's opinion of us.  The sarcasm in chapter 38, I think:  'Where were you...?" etc.

We march around and criticize God's world, making ourselves out to be God.

That's wonderful work, TimV.  And the "scientific" world would never accept your frank,matter-of-fact assessment - with good photos, demostrating the complexity of it all.

Just like dealing with the Pharisees.

They watch - literally - a withered hand being transformed and healed before their very eyes.

Then they crucify you for it.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 11:08:34 AM
Thanks, it's all my photography. I've got over 100 species of carnivorous plants, and I'll plan on every now and then writing something interesting about them to show how ridiculous evoloution is.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Kalthzar on October 26, 2004, 04:30:33 PM
ood for you, do what you beleive in.  :D


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 26, 2004, 08:03:56 PM
Believing in Creationism gives me a huge advantage in my work, since I my understanding of underlying reality is superior to others in my field, I am more successful.


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Symphony on October 26, 2004, 11:14:35 PM
since I my understanding of underlying reality is superior to others in my field, I am more successful.

That's quite a statement, there, TimV.  

That in fact is what knowing God, following His Word, being a Christian, exactly, is all about.

With much humility.  

Having an 'enlightened' investment in such power, as is laid out very frankly in the Bible, the Gospel and, for instance, Ephesians ( 2:6), et.al., is sobering medicine for us sinful creatures.  That we are partakers in this 'enlightenment', and 'love' He has for us.

Within the circles in which each of us work, really a vast chasm between how we see things.  We see things positively, a good outcome, a fruitful unfolding; the world sees things defensively, cynically - like this is all you get, so get while the gettin's good.

You just hit on the practical realization of what following Jesus is all about.

Maybe it's because you are in agriculture, thus a more grass roots, realistic understanding.  


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Kalthzar on October 27, 2004, 11:24:55 AM
quite the statement  ;D


 ;)


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Willowbirch on October 27, 2004, 03:29:58 PM
since I my understanding of underlying reality is superior to others in my field, I am more successful.

That's quite a statement, there, TimV.  

That in fact is what knowing God, following His Word, being a Christian, exactly, is all about.

With much humility.  

Having an 'enlightened' investment in such power, as is laid out very frankly in the Bible, the Gospel and, for instance, Ephesians ( 2:6), et.al., is sobering medicine for us sinful creatures.  That we are partakers in this 'enlightenment', and 'love' He has for us.

Within the circles in which each of us work, really a vast chasm between how we see things.  We see things positively, a good outcome, a fruitful unfolding; the world sees things defensively, cynically - like this is all you get, so get while the gettin's good.

You just hit on the practical realization of what following Jesus is all about.

Maybe it's because you are in agriculture, thus a more grass roots, realistic understanding.  
:D Isn't the world amazing! I picked up a maple leaf the other day with more shades of green, yellow and purple than I had ever expected! Such a wonderful smell of incense in the woods right now! What music the wind makes in the falling leaves! I don't know of any human ever given such a beautiful funeral as the one God gives the autumn forest ever year!

Beautiful photos, Tim. Do you ever sell them to magazines or websites?


Title: Re:Evolution
Post by: Symphony on October 28, 2004, 10:21:49 AM

such a beautiful funeral as the one God gives the autumn forest ever year!




     :)


(much more pleasant to be a part of that, far from the maddening crowd)