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Hi all, wow its been a VERY long time since I posted...probably about 6 months? I cant remember exactly, but I just started college this year and its been very busy.

Anyway, I had some free time so thought I'd catch up with the crowd. I noticed something looking over the posts that caught my interest. There's alot of slander going on about both candidates, and it seems that if it slanders Bush that its horribly exaggerated and untrue, but if it slanders Kerry its the holy word...

Now Im going to be honest, I really really really don't like Bush. On the other hand I'm not a big fan of Kerry. BUT since it is my first election and I want to vote, and sadly since the two party system doesn't represent my political views, I will vote for the candidate who I agree with more who is *drum roll*

Mr. John Kerry.

This is just my opinion, I don't think any less of anyone who votes for Bush...I just agree with Kerry more. The thing is, neither man is perfect, and it seems dumb (to me at least) to overwhelmingly accept and encourage the slander of one and ignore slander of the other, regardless of how true or untrue any of it is...just listen to what each man says and vote for who you think is right ya know?

Also... the last time I checked, this IS a Democracy and it wouldn't be a Democracy if we didn't have people who had varying opinions. So really, I don't get all the bashing of people because they like one candidate or the other. Embrace the fact that we are allowed to have these opinions: to each their own.

Now that I'm done ranting, I thank you for reading my bloated, horribly preachy (I honestly hope it wasn't), and over-wordy post. I look forward to replies!

Viva La Vie Boheme!

What exactly is it that you agree with John Kerry on?  ???

Yes please tell us




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Hmmm....

The whole point of my post is that as Americans and as a Democracy people think differently and are allowed to have opinions.

Am I wrong for voting for Kerry? No

Is anyone else wrong for voting for Bush? No

Both liberals and conservatives want to make this a better country, because we all love this country. We just have different ideas of how to make it better. There's nothing wrong with having a difference of opinions or ideas.

Viva La Vie Boheme!

 

RECOUNT!  ;D

Wow glad this is going places...no need to be so childish about it all...

Are you a Christian?
Do you believe That Christians are to follow the guidelines set forth in the Bible?
Do you wish to keep your freedom?
Do you want the U.S. to stay out of the one world government?

Welcome back La Vie B!  Now, just to set the record straight...

...if you believe in growing babies to kill for their stem cells...vote for Kerry.

...if you believe that it's best to save the mother's life, with, or without her approval, by crushing the skull of her baby while it is being born...vote Kerry.

...if you believe that Adam and Steve have every right to be a married couple in the eyes of God and in the law of this land...vote Kerry.

...if you have a moral bone in your body...don't vote Kerry.  Vote Bush.


 ;D  WB!!!!

My apologies!  ;D Here's a more mature response that all of your what? 21 years might appreciate.....

I do not believe that Kerry is the better candidate nor do I believe that Kerry is even a good candidate and I have heard no mature response from you as to why you think you should vote for Kerry.

Does that meet with your approval?  ;)

 ;D



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"Imagine President John Kerry at the Berlin Wall.

'Mr. Gorbachev...I challenge you to get to an emotional place where you can imagine a different kind of non-wall reality, that fully respects the 'wallness' of your current reality,
yet takes us on a spiritual journey in which'..." --Ann Coulter

Some of you seem to be bordering on idol worship when it comes to Bush.

Listen, friend, I really want to help you. President Bush signed a law to give money to do research on stem cells. Flinging around silly rhetoric is no substitute for the kind of thoughtful debate that is necessary to get our country back on the right track.

And to the silly remark about the Berlin Wall, the West Germans and Hungarians did much more that Reagan ever did to bring down that wall.

ROFL!  ;D

Timmy, You really aren't any good at this mind-reading stuff! :-\

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real...."

John Kerry - January 2003


My Note:  Forget the above quote and take your pick of several other positions, his current position, or the position the polls or politics will create for him tomorrow, next week, or a month from now.

It's ashame, because certain people have an ugly habit of making statements and then running away, like the woman who wont say clearly what our justification for the Iraqi war was, or the guy who thinks Kerry funding stem cell research is bad, but Bush's funding is somehow different in principle.

Now, how can we reach unity this way? I have 7 homeschooled children, the oldest in college, and I want a better country for them.

Hmmmm.... You've decided to join and jump right in.....

You can't know what ANY of the habits of posters are like - ugly or otherwise.  :)

You have no idea of any poster here is guilty of idol-worshipping with Bush.  :)

And you have no idea what I think or why. Though why it's suddenly of the utmost importance to you is a mystery. But I don't have a burning need to understand it!  :)


There's stem-cell research. And there's embryonic stem-cell research.

"I have concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for research on these existing stem cell lines, where the life-and-death decision has already been made." ~GW Bush

"[American military personnel in Vietnam] personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, [blew] up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to...the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

John Kerry - 1971 - Congressional Testimony


"There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed...."

John Kerry - 1971 - To the news media after his testimony before Congress.


My Note:  At the time, John Kerry was known as "Hanoi John". Now he wants to become the Commander In Chief. There should be NO wonder or amazement that many Vietnam Veterans want to be heard.

I place of a thoughtful response, you delete my posts?

"I pledge that those who wore the uniform of the United States of America will have a voice and a champion in the Oval Office."

John Kerry - New Hampshire Primary


My Note:  14 Swift Boat Veterans agree with the above statement.  254 Swift Boat Veterans say that John Kerry is a fraud and "Unfit for Command." I wonder what will be done to silence them.

I can't vouch for the full of thought part with your posts. But I can say they're all still there.  ::)

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"[T]hree Purple Hearts? I mean, the first one whether he ought to have a Purple Heart. He got two in one day -- [Kerry] never bled that I know of. They were all superficial wounds. As far as I know, he never spent one day in the hospital, I don't think he draws any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability. And he's boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who really got shot up in Vietnam.... Maybe he should apologize to all the other two-and-a-half million veterans who served. He wasn't the only one who was in Vietnam. I think Senator Kerry needs to talk about his Senate record, which is pretty thin. That's probably why he's talking about his war record, which is pretty confused."

Retired Senator Bob Dole - Severely Wounded World War II Veteran

UM??, now I see your false accusations in several places. Nobody has deleted your posts.

If ADMIN or a moderator deletes one of your posts, I guarantee you will know about it in detail. In fact, I will make sure that everyone knows about it by posting the warning and deletion details publicly.

If you come anywhere close to obeying the forum rules, you won't have to worry about it. I would suggest that you read the forum rules and stop your false accusations.

Moderator

Bush currently supports a ban on abortion, a necessary step for stem cell research.  And Bushes allowances where for some cell stell research.  Kerry is an advocate of partial birth abortion, and stem cell research for our health.  He said that he considers the benefits to far outweigh the consequences.  

Bush is not God.  Nor is he perfect.  But he fears God.  That is evident in his life, and by the fact that the world continually points the finger and claims he's done wrong.  He's standing up for God, and paying the price.  Fortunately God's on his side.

Which side are you on, friend?

As I'm going out of town for the evening for a men's retreat, I figured I'd explain the comment that will undoubtably cause some to be rubbed the wrong way.  Namely, the comment of God being on GWB's side.  Here's my basis for saying so:


God gave us George W. Bush.  He has chosen our way of doing so, but it's God's working.  That puts Him on his side.  BTW, if God so choses to set up Kerry, pray for His mercy.  We'll be getting what we deserve.  But regardless, it will be God's chosing and working.

Allinall,

AMEN BROTHER!!  You really said it all. I will pray daily for our leaders, regardless of who is elected.

Brother, have fun on the men's retreat. I hope that God blesses all who attend.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Arn't the powers of the president restricted in part by the Senate to? so in that case whos got the majority?

Oh and tim if your posts are really getting deleted PM your post to someone and they can post it for you, if it is against forum rules they'll prob tell you, if not someone else will back you up...etc

Hey thats a thought what do you guys think of Tony Blair?

I'm not sure if it's some other complaint, but I think this thread is causing me actual physical harm.

I know what you're going to say but why, oh,why is Bush on God's side, or more moral or whatever you seem to think he is. To be honest, I'm sure you're right about some points on Kerry, but I really don't think this is a sensible way to do politics.
Meh, I'm not sure this is making sense. I'm not very good at eloquently putting my point across, and neither am i going to make any of you think about things either. Oh well

Oh yes, and Ann Coulter is the Devil incarnate

 ;D There are many people who don't like Ann Coulter's blunt truth, especially ultra liberals. Thanks for the laugh.

You have made a very interesting comment. It is true that both political parties (for the most part) want to make America better. And you're right, they both have very different methods for reaching those goals.

But I would challenge you to reconsider the methods and philosophies driving liberal minded candidates. Because you must understand how dangerous they are. Most liberals would love to be in control; they think they could "fix" America, and solves almost every problem with their ideas. But what they don't see is how their methods don't work. History has proven over and over again, socialism doesn't work, capitalism does; big government doesn't work, small government does. But they continue on without any regard to the lessons of the past.

The easiest way to illustrate this is too look at other countries where liberals have almost free reign. Has liberalism, socialism, and big government fixed their problems? Not at all. America by far is the best country where liberty and God given rights are being preserved. And consequently, it's one of the only countries where conservative philosophies still have the upper-hand. So instead of unknowingly destroying this country's liberties and freedoms, I think the liberals should head over to just about any other countries where the utopia of their dreams and ideas for america all already in working order. And the truth of the matter is they themselves would not like to live in these countries. But they sadly don't realize that the totalitarianism in these places is a direct affect of liberal methods of government. They go hand in hand. Again, look at history.

When has socialism been implemented properly?

What do you mean?

Hello Andrew Fritz,

I'm just now reading your first and second post. WELCOME!!! to Christians Unite.


I also just came from the link you listed that encourages Christians to vote. I've always believed strongly that Christians should vote. In fact, I believe it is a Christian duty to vote.

We live in a country with government by the people and for the people. Remaining silent about our leadership, in effect, is exactly what the devil wants us to do. I've always wondered why so many Christians remain silent while the devil is slowly taking over our country. I've thought that some may not feel like any of the candidates are Godly enough to be worthy of a vote. I understand that, but I don't agree with it. It is a matter of great importance to our future and the future of our children, including the freedom to worship God. It should be a matter of prayer by every Christian, asking God who will best serve God's interest and will. It can't be a matter of waiting for a perfect candidate before voting. There will never be any perfect candidates.

If we watch, listen, and pray, God will give us guidance about who will best serve. I would ask every Christian to do just this:


Love In Christ,
Tom

Thank you for the friendly welcome. What you went on to say goes right into my heart. I've been deeply concerned about Christians voting. I run into some of them who don't vote, and others who waste there vote on non-viable candidates; it's frustrating that I can't make them understand how important voting is, and how our country is really at stake.

In fact, that website you visited is one that I published just about over a week ago. I am currently in a major campaign to get the information on that website to thousands of Christians within the next couple days before the election. I noticed that you also have a website. If you would, please consider helping the effort by posting a link to the site on your homepage. If that's something you'd like to to do, there are some really nice pre-made buttons and banners provided here on the site:

http://www.christiansneedtovote.com/links.htm

Andrew Fitz,

Brother, please let me know if you plan to leave the site up past the Presidential Election. I firmly believe that Christians should vote in all elections, not just national elections.

I have been considering adding more links to my site. If you are planning to continue the site, I will definitely pray about adding your link and quite a few others that are heavily Christian oriented.

Please - consider a listing with Christians Unite and many free services to Christian Web Masters. Just click the Christian Web Master services on  the left side of every forum page. Christians Unite serves thousands of Christian Web Masters.

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Love In Christ,
Tom

Ahh sorry just looked up the definition of socialism, its different from communim, so i suppose i meant "when has communism been implemented properly?", but thats not a proper response to your post.

The website in it's current form was written and geared towards a last minute "get out the christian vote" effort. But I am considering putting up some other form of the website after the election. I haven't decided for sure whether to do that or not, and if so, what to put on the site. The mistake I made this year was not getting the site up until just two weeks before the election. I would have liked to have done it a couple months before the election if I had gotten the idea earlier. I just think the website has a much more powerful impact in an election year, when voting is right around the corner. So I'm not sure if it would be effective during times when the information is not as real and relevant to people.

I have been in contact with Christians Unite prior to posting in the forum. In fact, that's the reason I discovered this website. I will be looking into those suggestions you gave me. Thank you.

Whew! At the risk of wading into this political cesspool....LOL!!

I'm not American, but we do get to vote in Canda also. It's a bit different as pieces of the country are sliced up into geographical regions. There are reps from most (if not all) political parties with members running in each of these geographical slices (ridings). These ridings represent one "seat" in government, and the party with the majority of seats forms the next government.

In my particular riding in the last election last year, there were 4 candidates. Each presented their views, to which I studied, (with some help).

Some were for same sex marriage, some were not. Some were for legalized dope, some were not. However, one thing they ALL supported was abortion. Therefore, I was left with no alternative but to submit a protest vote, which is nothing more than an empty ballot.

I don't really care about who won, who lost, or what the consequences are/will be. All I know is that I DID vote God's will because there's no way on this earth I will vote for murder.

Thanks Brother!

The retreat was great!  It was on the syptoms, consequences and solution to pride.  All the way through the messages the only solution I could think of was seeing God as He is.  When we do that, we can't help but see ourselves through His eyes.  When it came down to the solution, the pastor spoke from Isaiah 6, and on how the only way to deal with pride successfully is to see Who God is, and let that reflect on who we truly are.  He also pointed out a myriad of aspects I hadn't thought of that clarified and solidified that concept in my heart.  It was a true blessing.

That, the steaks and the Axis and Allies game... ;D

Actually, I said that God was on Bush's side.  And yes, I was speaking with a great deal of liberty.  No, I don't believe that God holds George W in a higher esteem than He does Kerry.  Rather, I believe, as the verse I posted stated, that God sets up leaders and takes them down.  I believe W to be a leader given by the grace of God.  I fear Kerry will be a leader given by the judgment of God.

I know.  That made it all as clear as mud... :D

As for the sensibilities it affords me in politics, I'll simplify it to the extreme.  I vote for who and what I feel is right.  Not who or what I feel I like.

That help any?

Allinall,

Brother, I'm glad your group had fun on the retreat. It sounds like you had a precious time in His Word. The subject matter is important to all of us, specifically because our attitude can bring us closer to Jesus and increase our fellowship with His children.

I'll be glad when this election is over, but I read about thousands of lawyers lined up for a brawl. Who knows when it will be over? I think this is a time to pray for our country, that what Godly traditions and freedoms we have left will be preserved.

Love In Christ,
Tom

What difference does it make that Bush believes in the same moral values that we christian conservatives believe in?!.....The question is; Has he done anything to restore moral values to our country?  Have ANY of the "conservative" Presidents we've elected done that?   Have they appointed christian conservative judges who would overturn abortion, etc?  

I don't know about you, but I've been waiting for forty-two years for one of those "conservative" Presidents whom we've elected to restore prayer to our nation's schools, but it hasn't happened yet, and it never will.

Same thing with legal "abortions", which have been on the books for some 30 years now.....NO PRESIDENT, regardless his personal conviction, is going to go against the laws of our land, and attempt to overthrow those laws....not even your beloved George Bush.....He's already proven that!, and so have the others before him.

On the other hand, John Kerry is no better...but AT LEAST he has enough decency to admit to us that he's not going to attempt to change those laws which are already on the books, whereas Bush does not.

The problem is; you, like all my fellow christian conservatives, are looking for a "political" savior to get us out of the immoral quagmire which America is in, and sad to say, you're not going to find one.



   

FayeC,

I guess that you don't read the news. George Bush tried and he's still trying. In fact, he almost got something done, and the momentum is growing. George Bush has done 100 times more to end abortion than all other presidents combined since Roe vs. Wade.

On the other side of the coin, Kerry states he will never appoint a judge who will touch Roe vs. Wade. In reality, Bush has morals and Kerry doesn't. However, it takes considerable support in the House and Senate to get major and controversial things like that done. By the way, Bush did come close, but Kerry promises the opposite of trying to do anything about abortion. Kerry promises to protect it for future generations. So, let's get real.

The only morals Kerry has is play acting at the last minute because he now knows that he needs some Christians to vote for him. The acting was extremely poor. I wouldn't vote for Kerry for dog catcher, much less President of the United States. I'm sorry to be so shy about Kerry. If I keep working on it, I might develop a solid opinion by the time to vote.   ;D

Yikes all,

Pray for this Vote 2004!! ;D


I already voted in Oregon and mailed a week ago.  So Please Pray for the Presdential Prayer Team (http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/)!!!


Blessings,  \o/

Wrong.  I see a man standing for what he believes, and for Who he believes in.  He's not perfect.  He's operating in a system that he doesn't have complete control over.  He has to jump through the same hoops every other president has had to jump through, and maintain a working non-partisan government.  The problem is that the Democrats are as partisaned in their politics as they come.  To make matters worse, when a Democrat is president, the Republic become entrenched in their political views and all we have is struggle.  The government needs to work together.  Bush shows evidence of that actually taking place at times.  I have yet to see a Democrat (in recent years) who can claim the same thing.

I'm not looking for a political savior.  I have my King.  I'm simply looking for a politician who recognizes the Savior, claims Him, and is claimed by Him.  I see that in Bush, and hence he will get my vote.  

I'll be a bit more pointed here, but I have a real problem with those who claim Christ supporting Kerry.  It's claiming Christ in the pew and everything Christ is against in the world.  No man can serve two masters and it's about time we stopped trying.  Vote for what is right, not what you think or feel is right.  

"Bush doesn't help me out in health care."  Is God in control of your health or is Bush?  Is God in control of your money or is Bush?  Does God meet you needs or does Bush?  Does Kerry?  Does the U.S. government?  

"Bush got us into a war that's killing our children!"  I have three personal friends who have either gone, or are going to Iraq.  I have two other personal friends who serve in the MP's in training camps here in the U.S.  Do I like war?  No.  But I also know Who's in control of the lives of every living being, and it's not Bush.  It's not the Iraqi insurgents.  It's God.

"Bush lied about the weapons of mass destruction!"  He has said he operated on the same information as did the U.S. Congress in deciding to invade, as did the British government when they decided to invade, and as did the existing coalition of the time when they decided to invade.  Many nations - all of whom now are ignored because Bush "lied."  Doesn't add up.  Either Bush is the antichrist or he had the same faulty information everyone else had and acted upon as well.  An old professor of mine said this, "There are 4 things true of any man God ever used.  He was hated by the world.  He was hated by carnal Christians.  He was loved by God, and he was loved by those who love God."

My simple point is this: GOD is in control.  We are looking at the hard times and viewing Kerry as the "political savior" you mentioned, to the exclusion of the values we claim to have.  We bash Bush for feelings we have about this war, the economy, and many other things, rather than praying for the man God has set up.  You may say you are praying.  I say if you're praying then your mouth can't be active in trashing the man.

My soapbox is giving me vertigo, so I'll step down now...

You make God the author of sin. You say, in effect, that it doesn't matter what Bush does since God is in control. Bad theology and bad logic.

Truth is that if Christians would simply VOTE their morality, their character, the election wouldn't even be close. Abortion, homosexuality, etc, should be enough for Christians to vote for whatever candidate takes the stand that lines up biblically with these issues.

Far too many Christians vote for their political party instead of asking themselves why? How? How do Christians support that which God despises? It is not a political party that deserves a Christian's allegiance, but what saith the Lord our God! Not to mention the Christians who won't vote; who live in this country that God has blessed with FREEDOM, where they can make a difference, and refuse to make a Godly stand   :'(

In this country not voting for the right is voting for the wrong! Something like 38 million Christians didn't vote in 2000 - another election that should not have been close.

Why does the USA have the moral problems it does today? Because evil men out number the good? NO! Because Christians, again and again, have been willing to sell their birthright for a mess of pottage; to sell out what is right for a political party that promises economic prosperity while tearing at the righteous foundation that we as Christians say we stand on.

I firmly believe that if Christians would stand united then both political party's would return to the morality of our fore-fathers. If the party that constantly stands opposed to Godliness were to realize that they would never again gain power without being moral I am convinced they would suddenly find it expedient to be moral. Once upon a time political parties disagreed simply on economic matters and the like, but had a shared morality. That day has passed.

If only Christians would stand united. But they didn't in the 60's and prayer in schools is gone. They didn't in the 70's and now we have legalized abortion. They didn't in the 80's and 90's and now homosexual civil unions, even marriage, is seriously discussed. Will Christians unite on Nov 2, 2004?

I won't hold my breath. Too many will vote for the devil and call it for "the working man".


I pray God has mercy on us again.

I would like to mention one point that you missed. It's the most important reason we need to elect a leader with strong moral convictions. The U.S. Supreme Court has turned itself into a trump card for anything that the state and national legislatures do. Currenlty, the Supreme Court is split down the middles when it comes to morality, with a slight lean toward immorality. As I speak right now, we are in once of the longest periods of time since a justice has retied. It is almost without doubt that one of more of them will retire during the next presidency.

I'm telling you, if you have a pro abortion liberal in the White House, he will do more damage by appointing a bad judges than anything he could do in congress. Because in congress, at least things are voted on, and the people can voice their concerns. In the court system, judges are "gods" without review.

Remember, it has been judges, not presidents or congress, that have legalized abortion, banned the ten comments from display, stopped laws banning sodomy, and removed bible reading and prayer from the schools.

The biggest danger to our country is that a moral judge will retire from the Supreme Court, and a liberal one will replace him. After that my friends, you will NEVER get a constitutionally correct ruling on moral issues. That will be the final piece in the breakdown of this country; the worst thing that has happened in the last 100 years. Because never before has the supreme court taken such liberties to out-step it's boundaries by twisting the meaning of the constitution to match the opinions of the judges on the court. Vote and pray for this election. Our country is truly at stake.

When did I say that?  I said that God is in control of every life.  Read Hebrews 1:3 to find out Who controls life and death.  Read the Psalms as well.  Our lives are in His hand.  Not Bush's.  And I also didn't say that it doesn't matter what Bush does or doesn't.  What he does will have just consequence, but nothing he does will change God's plan for man.  It will all be worked out sovereignly by our sovereign God.  Not bad theology.  Biblical theology.  Not bad logic.  Good, biblical understanding.  Neither of which I'm seeing in your posts my friend.   :)

Excellent post Brother!  And true, Kerry has said that he would appoint liberal, pro-abortion judges to the Supreme Court if elected.  That's one of his campaign promises.  Thanks for pointing that out!

AMEN PSALMISTSINGER!!

Brother, it's nice to hear from you, and I must quote your entire post again. I ask every Christian to read this, pray, and stand up.

Love In Christ,
Tom

AMEN BROTHER ALLINALL!!!

Mature Christians understand exactly what you said. My King and LORD is Jesus Christ. Brother, I am most happy to be my LORD's servant.



AMEN BROTHER ANDREW FRITZ!!!

I just read an article about your work in Christians Unite's "Christian Web Life". I hope and pray that many thousands of Christians will read it, pray, and stand up. I said it was your work, but I believe it is GOD's work in and through you. Christians have a duty to vote. Some are calling evil good and good evil. Silence from Christians is actually wishing the devil well. I'm praying that every Christian studies the issues, prays, prays some more, STANDS UP!!!, and VOTES!!! I'm asking all Christians to read your web site and share it with others. I'm also asking all Christians to pray for the future of our country.

Love In Christ,
Tom

From Christian Web Life:

2.) Christians Need To Vote
 
    When you let ungodly leaders and politicians follow their natural aspirations, they will always end up at the door of big government, where personal liberties like freedom of religion, speech, and property ownership are few. But what you'll notice first is the banishment of God and morality from society. If you think this hasn't already been the trend in America, then I plead with you to examine these things.
 
    FACT: Only 59% of all born again Christians voted in the last presidential election.
 
    FACT: In the 2000 election, 42% of Christians decided to cast a ballot for Al Gore.
 
    FACT: Out of 34 million non voting Christians, 21 million were registered and simply had to go to the polls.
 
    TRUTH: If only just a small % of Christians realized how crucial their vote is, America could be taken back in one election cycle.
 
    TRUTH: In the next 4 years, the president will be making the most important decision that will affect the future of this country. That of selecting up to FOUR replacement judges for the supreme court.
 
    REALITY: The good news is that the bad news isn't that bad: Christians could easily elect a great majority of godly leaders. The bad news is that no one has taken this good news seriously.
 
    ...Until Now.
 
    Every Christian needs to go to the polls on November 2nd and vote! There is so much at stake in this country, and your vote will definitely make a real impact.
 
    Please take just a brief moment to visit this website for more information, and to see how you can help.
 
http://christiansneedtovote.com/

The modern Republican party is the party of big government and big spending.

I am glad for the tax cuts, though. I can make 60 thousand a year and pay no taxes thanks to my 7 kids. But the money has to come from somewhere. A quarter trillion just in Iraq/Afganistan, with the defecit the hugest in history.

I suggest to the board that it can't go on like this, and to keep out of debt, and invest in something you can control yourself. That's why I do beekeeping on the side, because eventually there is going to be a traumatic problem with our monetary system.

Goldwater was great, you don't spend what you don't have. But the modern Republicans have left traditional conservative values far behind. The best policy is not to vote at all in this presidental election to send a protest out.

My friend that is a foolish decision. Please reconsider. You are only helping the decline of our nation. While you worry about financial issues our country is being dragged into moral decline. I can't explain in words how I am grieved to hear you say that. This wonderful nation is suffering at the hands of liberal judges and leaders every single day. We need your precious vote. Please take an honest look at your ideas. They aren't right! You must see how critical this election is. Don't have to look back at this mistake. If there was ever an election on which hangs the future of our nation, this is it.

 ::)


Right???, that's exactly what the devil wants all Christians to do.

Sure, the Devil wants me to stay home, and God wants me to vote for someone who takes my money and gives it to people who experiment with murdered babies.

I think you hit the nail on the head. He wants us to beleive he is a Christian yet the majority of his posts indicate elsewise, that he wants us all to do the devils bidding by not voting so the devil can have his way and that we should all turn our backs on atrocities in other countries. He indicates that he is a military tactician by putting down someone for their tactical ideas. He may be knowledgeable in history but he has learned nothing good from history. He thinks he knows how I stand on politics but he doesn't have an inkling. He calls my stance (what he tinks it is) as dangerous to the world. I say that his stance is dangerous as it will let Satan have more control in this world.

If you knew how little I cared about your belief concerning my salvation, your hair would stand straight up in shock.

The majority of my posts? Well, I don't worship George Bush, and frankly think him a simple minded fool, but aside from your claiming to know the motives of the Devil you haven't even demonstrated, or even tried to demonstrate one instance of where my theology differs from historic, orthodox Christian teaching.

Well, first it's light vs. dark, now it's light vs. dark vs. dim.

If Philips, Taki and Sproul all endose this guy, I'm close to 99% sure I'll support him.

Nahhh......I wouldn't be shocked at all. That doesn't matter but what you a teaching here does.

Worship George Bush? Not me, he is a man and as such capable of making mistakes. He is however the best candidate running for President.

As for your theology, many on here have pointed it out myself included. You just chose to ignore it because as you said you don't care.

As for your salvation, I apologize if it seemed I was judging that. That is not my place to determine if you are or are not saved, that is between you and God. My intentions were in reference to your teachings.

Pastor Roger,

Brother, I'm glad to see that you are back. We are dealing with a couple of trolls now, but they probably won't be here long. Their little horns are already showing.   ;D  That usually means a troll melt-down. They usually come here thinking that Christians are entertainment. It's really pretty sad, but most of them get exposed to some good while they are here.

Love In Christ,
Tom

What is a Troll? I am using my real name unlike several people here.

I am a member in good standing in the Afrikaans Protestant Kerk in South Africa, and plan on joining a conservative PCA church in the near future. I studied under Rushdoony, the grandfather of the homeschooling movement, and have written for the Chalcedon Report. None of my 7 children have ever seen the inside of an American Public highschool. I have never used illegal drugs and have never has sex with anyone except my wife.
I believe that the 66 books of the holy Bible are the inspired word of God, and hold to the seven ecumenical councils.

What horns are you speaking of? Holding a little rich fool like Bush in contempt? Throwing our money away on foreign adventures? Being discussted with neocon behavior?

You can go back in history and everyone from Augustine, Guttenburg, Edwards, Gill, Wycliffe, Hus, Luther, Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. Lee,Pasteur,etc.. would rise up and call me brother.

Take heed with your slander.

Thank you, brother. I just couldn't stay away.

Ditto!  :D

Thank you.

Tim Vaughn,

A troll is a trouble maker.

By the way, we don't need to take heed with anything. You are a guest here, and that invitation can be cancelled.

You've almost set a record of being rude and antagonizing such a large number of people in such a short time. I suggest that you read the forum rules and pay particular attention to disruptive posts.

In case you missed the formal warning in another thread, this is a formal warning. This is not a government forum, so your only rights here are to obey the forum rules as a guest. You are not standing in your own living room here. If you wish to keep being rude and obnoxious, it won't be here.

Moderator

Oh yes you do need to take heed. You've passed judgement on my by saying that I have horns, a distinct reference to Satan. Pushing a "banned" button will not relieve you of accountablity.

BUSH MISLEADS ON KERRY

In a speech yesterday, President Bush made statements that "ignored elements of Mr. Kerry's record and stated positions in a way that paints an incomplete or distorted portrait of his approach."[1] Here are two examples:

Yesterday, Bush said, "Senator Kerry's approach would permit a response only after America is hit."[2] In fact, Kerry has explicitly said that he would use preemptive force when necessary. During the first presidential debate Kerry said, "The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike...No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America."[3]

Bush also said Kerry was "against vital weapon systems during his entire career."[4] According to the non-partisan Factcheck.org, the Bush campaign "bases its claim mainly on Kerry's votes against overall Pentagon money bills in 1990, 1995 and 1996, but these were not votes against specific weapons."[5] Nonetheless, since Kerry has been in Congress he has voted for
16 of the 19 overall Pentagon funding bills. Therefore, "even by the Bush campaign's twisted logic, Kerry should - on balance - be called a supporter of the 'vital' weapons."[6]

Sources:

1. "Bush Adds Teeth to His Attacks on Kerry," New York Times, 10/19/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63708.
2. "Transcript: Bush Attacks Kerry's Security Proposals," Washinton Post, 10/18/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63709.
3. "Debate Transcript: The First Bush-Kerry Presidential Debate," Commission on Presidential Debates, 9/30/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63710.
4. "Transcript: Bush Attacks Kerry's Security Proposals," Washinton Post, 10/18/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63709.
5. "More Bush Distortions of Kerry Defense Record," FactCheck.org, 4/30/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63711.
6. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63711.

You're also funny. It appears that you passed judgement on yourself since I didn't mention any names. It's funny how that works.

Moderator

Give me your word as a Christian that you didn't have me in mind when you spoke of certain people showing their horns, and I will apologise.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say. But what I want you to take note of is this: There are two different categories of candidates, good and bad. Among the good there are the "better" and the "best". And among the bad there are the "bad" and the "worse".

President Bush and Peroutka are both good candidates. And I have to agree that on the issues of godliness and morality, Peroutka is much stronger minded. But casting a vote for a nonviable candidate isn't going to change this country, it's going to let it continue on it's current course.

President Bush is not the "BEST" candidate on the issue of morality, but he's at least a "GOOD" candidate on the the issue of morality. Most of your other options for voting are candidates who are "BAD". But what saddens my heart is that you would shortchange a "GOOD" candidate by voting for a "BEST" candidate that really only helps the "BAD" candidate.

Nobody can deny this simple truth. Lets all gather around the "GOOD" candidate that can win, and not go chasing after nonsense by casting pointless votes for somebody who can't win anything. It's not right to cast a foolish vote, even if it's for conscience sake. That's allot of selfishness; putting your own conscience before the well-being of our country and nation.

If Senator Kerry can manage to win the election, we won't have a president who has blocked funding to U.N. organizations supporting abortion, we won't have a president who has and who will continue to put pro life and pro constitutional judges in our courts, we won't have a president who will sign legislation banning abortion, and homosexual marriages, we won't have a president who will protect our country like it is right now, we won't have a president who will put a stop to U.N. control over our military and citizens, and we won't have a president who will do any good for this nation.

That's the truth folks. Please take it, don't leave it...

I've said all I can say. If you aren't persuaded by now, then you aren't willing to listen. I'm praying that each one of you with these ideas will stop and seriously think. Not think about what you could have said as a rebuttal to what I just said, but think about how YOU are thinking.

Andrew Fritz

This isn't about a decision on which type of kitchenware to buy for the army. These are big-time, well know, and greatly used weapons...

"The Massachusetts senator voted against defense appropriations bills that included money for weapons such as the Patriot missile, the Tomahawk cruise missile and the B-2 stealth bomber — all of which military leaders say have become integral to the U.S. force and were crucial to winning the 1991 Gulf war and last year's war in Iraq. According to voting records, Mr. Kerry also favored cutting or canceling spending on the Apache helicopter, the M-1 Abrams tank and a wide range of fighter jets".[1]

[1] http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040223-115221-2572r.htm

Brother,

I agree with you. I took a long, hard look at the Constitution Party this year. I liked what little I could find out about their candidate. I even studied their platform, and most of it is pretty good. Parts of the platform wouldn't work without large numbers of Constitution Party members already in office.

You're right, the Constitution Party candidate is not viable and doesn't have a chance. The result will be a very small percentage vote, maybe 1% to 3%, that could be critical votes to keep John Kerry out of the White House. In other words, it's quite possible that a vote for the Constitution Party candidate will elect John Kerry.

I did read enough about the Constitution Party that I would like to see their Candidates in all local, county, and state races. Building a track record of some sort and becoming a known entity appears to be a first and most reasonable task for the Constitution Party. I searched for what information I got, but most Christians have never heard of the Constitution Party. I did get to read a short brief about candidate Peroutka. From what little information I was able to obtain, he sounds like a good and moral man. I really don't know, but I can't allow my misplaced vote to elect John Kerry.

Love In Christ,
Tom

And you have not passed judgment on President Bush with your statements?  You seem to like casting stones and calling yourself sinless.

Can you people (aka the tim troll debateing droup) please keep that conversation somewhere else, you're breaking up the current discussion

(Am i considered a troll...?)

It's a Miracle, but Here's the real Heart of the Story
By Debbie Daniel
September 22, 2004

Just when I think I can't take any more of this nonsense in the political arena, I am reminded that we've just witnessed a miracle. George Bush has been hammered harder than any candidate in recent history, yet he still stands. He has walked through the FIRE of the Democrat's IRE, and he's up in the polls. Go figure . . . it's an absolute miracle.

This may truly be a race of "last man standing wins." He's been knocked by one of the big three networks; the billion dollar bank account of George Soros (a.k.a. Moveon.org); many foreign leaders who have been quoted saying: "We don't want George Bush to win;" the Communist Party of America; the Atheists; the Agnostics; the National Association of Women; Hollywood's Paparazzi; the Gay Community; the NAACP; protesters who hold signs that read: "Where's John Hinkley when you need him?;" a $20 million plus movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, that drags George Bush through the mud, and who knows who else will step up and say: "We do not want George Bush for President."

So to me . . . It's a MIRACLE! George Bush just being able to stand against the big three media is quite a feat . . . and he still stands TALL. In fact, I think that man gets taller everyday.

I've never seen so many one-two punches with hits that would take most men to their knees. I do, however, believe that George Bush is on his knees often, but of his own choice. I can imagine his prayer bench is "thread bare" and that is why he's able to still stand strong. It's amazing to me, but what a testimony of how God can keep a man's spirit strong.

George Bush is no ordinary man. It is because of his deep faith in God that he's been able to withstand the vile attacks by seemingly everyone.

The "big three" can't figure it out; how in the world is George Bush ahead in the polls? They've done everything they can to bring him down . . . we witnessed an element of that just this past week. But he won't fall . . . George Bush won't go down.

Even the pollsters are questioning the way in which they conduct their polls. With George Bush winning among people who are "likely to vote," now the pollsters feel they should also poll those who are "not likely to vote." Oh, that will certainly give us a good indication of who should be President. Whatever it takes . . . just get the results you want.

One of the biggest frauds, against a sitting President of the United States, has been perpetrated on the American people by CBS News, but it doesn't even sully our President. It backfires and damages the accuser. Oh, they say; "We were misled." But they did exactly what they set out to do . . . they got the story out that they wanted us to hear, and though the facts were wrong . . . they wanted us to remember the HEART of the story. (???)

Heart? Let me show you the heart of a story . . . it's George Bush's heart. It's a story that won't be shared on the evening news, but it so touched Bruce Vincent, a man from Montana, who received an award from the President. I checked the story for its veracity, and I want to share it with you.

Mr. Vincent tells of stepping into the Oval office after the awards ceremony was over in the East Room. "Each of us was introduced to the President and Mrs. Bush. We shook hands, received our awards with photo op and participated in informal conversation.

"When we departed, I said to the President, 'Mr. President, I know you to be a man of strong faith and I have a favor to ask.' As he shook my hand, he looked me in the eye and said, 'Just name it.'

"I told him my step-mom was at that moment in a hospital in Kalispell, Montana, having a tumor removed from her skull and it would mean a great deal to me if he would consider adding her to his prayers that day.

"He grabbed me by the arm and took me back toward his desk and said, 'So that's it? I could tell that something was weighing heavy on your heart . . . I could see it in your eyes.'

"From the top drawer of his desk he retrieved a pen and a note card with his seal on it and asked how to spell her name and then jotted a note to her while discussing the importance of family and the strength of prayer.

"When he handed me the card, he asked about the surgery and the prognosis. He then said, 'If it's okay with you, we'll take care of the prayer right now. Would you pray with me?'

"I told him yes and he turned to the staff that remained in the office and waved them off saying, 'Bruce and I would like some private time for a prayer.' As they left, he turned back to me and took my hands in his.

"I was prepared to do a traditional prayer stance - standing with each other with heads bowed. Instead, he reached for my head with his right hand and pulling gently forward, he placed my head on his shoulder. With his left arm on my mid back, he pulled me to him in a prayerful embrace. He started to pray softly. I started to cry.

"He continued his prayer for my step-mom and for God's perfect will to be done. I cried some more. My body shook a bit as I cried and he just held tighter. He closed by asking God's blessing on her and the family during the coming months.

"I stepped away from our embrace, wiped my eyes, swiped at the tears I'd left on his shoulder, and looked into the eyes of our President. I thanked him best I could.

"I have to tell you that all I really know is that this simple act left me humbled and believing. I so hoped that the man I thought him to be was the man that he is . . . in fact, he is so very, very much more. This story I know to be true . . . I was there; he is real.

"He took time out of his life to care, to share, and to seek God's blessing for my family in a simple man-to-man . . . Christian-to-Christian prayerful embrace."

Dear friends and internet audience, this may very well be a time when we all need to find our prayer benches. Is yours "thread-bare" or does it still look new?

 It was so nice I posted it twice!  ;D

 Hey BAP, good post.
 
 Bronzesnake

 It was so nice I posted it twice!  ;D

 Hey BAP, good post.
 
 Bronzesnake

"Dear friends and internet audience, this may very well be a time when we all need to find our prayer benches. Is yours "thread-bare" or does it still look new?"


Mine is worn to the point where I am on the floor where I will remain (except for voting day) until this election is over.

As of this Sunday afternoon, looks like Kerry is closing fast.  A statistical deadheat, right now, it looks like.


    ???

Says Who??? Your Killing me with your Jokes ;D



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Clinton DID serve two terms in office.  :-X

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Yes, at least our leaders there are showing some indication of humility.  That's a very big lead.   ;)  

Would we ever see Kerry (or P. Clinton) doing that??  I don't know.  Maybe flipping the bird to the photographer, I guess.  :(


Right now, Tuesday eve, from over at Drudge:  

Popular Vote 11% of Precincts Reporting
George W. Bush   55%   8,101,550   
John Kerry   44%   6,502,610

Electoral
Bush 102
Kerry 077


So right now, P. Bush definitely in the lead, but that's only 11% of precincts.  89% still to go.  So it's still very early.


'Just thinking, tho, what if Kerry DOES win - militarily, to me, the absolute unthinkable.

I just see us, militarily, overseas, in a total rout, if Kerry wins.  

And, in our Supreme Court - we have possibly four seats coming open, in the next four years?

Yikes!  With a liberal President, our Court will become even more liberal than it already is!  

Just those two realities, I think, would be the beginning of the end, if not quicker, for the U.S. - quicker because of a castrated military, but perhaps longer as the court gradually becomes more and more a liberal, socialist court, and legislates us into subjection to the U.N.

That's the way it looks to me - a deathnell militarily, and in our courts.

...20 minutes later:


Popular Vote 19% of Precincts Reporting
George W. Bush   53%   14,796,099   
John Kerry   46%   12,877,747

Electoral
Bush 170
Kerry 112



Going just by the Electoral, looks like P. Bush has it...

I agree with your summation on a Kerry administration. Our military would become less than a police force. With Kerry in office then former P. Clinton would become a shoo in for Sec Gen of the UN. That with a drastic change in the courts would tie us in to full control by the UN.

Brother,

I think if all of this happened, I would have to move to Borneo.   ;D

I spoke to my son in the Navy several times about this election. He says his mates want nothing to do with Kerry and they don't respect him at all.

Let's just pray that things continue the way they are now and we have 4 more years.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Brother, I really think it would be worse than you fear. Broadly, I think it would be flushing what we have left of our country into the sewer. I know that I'm far too shy on this subject, but I'm trying to get over it.   ;D

I boil it down to a battle between good and evil. I know there are quite a few other issues thrown into the mix (i.e. economy, health care, education, etc.), but the moral issues were the stand-outs to me. For others, it might have been economic issues or who knows what.

By the way, the troops in Iraq are watching the election returns on Fox News. That should tell everyone something.   ;D

Love In Christ,
Tom

blackeyedpeas,

If things turn out that way my family and I will be seeing you in Borneo. ;D

Please pass on to your son that there are many back here pulling for him and his shipmates and we all thank him for carrying on where we left off. That is coming from an old Chief Petty Officer and his friends.

And you are right this is a battle between good and evil. All the other issues fall under that as a secondary result that supports the main one.

The majority of the active duty Soldiers and Sailors that I talk to daily are for Bush and they are unable to respect Kerry. One thing I was taught in the military was, in order to be a good leader you must first gain and maintain the respect of your troops.

 

The partisen<sp> views really show up on the different networks huh?  CNN has Kerry ahead in electoral vote count, Fox has Bush right at 269.....lol  And of course CNN's already talking about all the ways Kerry can still win....yadda yadda.

Now we're headed off to Ohio to count the provisional ballets, and of course.....hanging chad!  Yes thats right, they still use punch cards there.....woohoo!   ::)

Seriously though, I think the moral majority have spoken accross the board on the important issues...and I'm fairly certain Bush has this one sowed up.  ;)  

Grace and Peace!

Brothers and Sisters,

YES!!!!!!

It looks like:


I don't think they have counted the military vote yet in Ohio. Ohio does not resemble the Florida vote of 2000. It's 135,000 more votes for Bush, not less than 1,000.

Overall, the popular vote is unquestioned. We may have to wait for the speeches, but I would say that it is over and George W. Bush is our President!!!!

Love In Christ,
Tom

KERRY JUST CONCEDED!!!!!!!

At least he's not going to be a sore loser like Gore.

Praise God for answered prayers.

just don't gloat  ;)

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY - HAPPY, HAPPY, JOY, JOY, JOY :) ;D :) ;D :) ;D


JEB BUSH 2008
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Brothers and Sisters,

It's not gloating, I simply Praise GOD!

It is still time for Christians to pray for our country and our leaders, more so than ever. We must also pray that our country be drawn together for the road ahead.

There is more election news that I also give thanks for:


I give thanks that my state was one of them. NOW!!!, this was a landslide. I give thanks that the people are standing up and speaking up for marriage!!!

Love In Christ,
Tom

I must admit, it was interesting to watch the liberal media squirm and spin last night after it was clear to some Bush had won.   CNN tried their best to kindel the ole fires of missing votes etc etc.  

Its time to continue praying for the president and our nation!

Grace and Peace!

2nd Timothy,

Brother, I watched the election returns on the same channel our troops in Iraq watched:  Fox News.

I think that I've heard enough ultra-liberal spin on the other news channels to last the rest of my life. I'm glad that it's over. I say it's over, only referring to the election.

Our nation was attacked on our own soil on 9-11, and that took thousands of innocent lives. Some want to talk money, but the reality is we are at war. It's sick to talk about money when the reality could be many more attacks on our soil worse than 9-11. In terms of money, 9-11 also cost us in the hundreds of billions of dollars, not including Afganistan, Iraq, or wherever else we must go to keep the battles off of our soil. We must win the war on terror.

The other wars regard morals and values. I hope that all Christians will keep praying that God helps us and helps our leaders.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Brothers and Sisters,

We definitely have work to do. I simply give thanks that IT WON'T BE UNDER A PRO GAY AND ABORTION BANNER!!

AND, we must win the war against terror or suffer many more 9-11s. That will cost money, but we will have to pay it either direction we go. A little bit of common sense dictates we fight the battle on their soil, not our soil.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Pray for our elected leaders that the decisions they make be  Godly decisions pure of heart and that we are always free to live according to God's will.

Yes, and I understand the 11 states who outted gay marriage were all of the states with that on the ballot.

So 11/11 isn't bad at all.  A very pleasing message I'm thankful for, being sent to the gay folk.

'Tho it doesn't change the trend tho, I think.  It's sort of like outting fornication.

But I'm thankful for the message it DOES send.

Even tho, now that I think about it, it's pretty sad it had to be on a ballot at all!!

Disgusting.  

Symphony,

If someone had told me, when I was young, what we would be facing today, I wouldn't have believed them. I'm thinking that the older one becomes, the more shocking things are. We do have an older point of reference for comparison in all things, and the overall picture is ugly and evil.

I'm thinking about what my grandchildren will face as I type this. I simply pray that things either get better or Jesus comes to take us home.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Source, please? I've tried searching it and can't find an interview on 10-26.

I agree we should pray for our President because He and the American people we are under a spiritual attack from the liberal media and the terrioism.

The liberals finally got one thing right they finally realized it was the Morality Issues and Family Values that elected our President and none other issues that elected Bush. ;D

The United States of America Constitution has been a practically dead letter in American politics. No more than lip service. The two of the things the founding fathers' feared most were a big beauracracy and a standing army. And now their fears have been fulfilled. Practically all the actions of our federal government have been unconstitutional, save those directly actions and powers directly granted to it. Just had to say that and reinforce the knowledge of how far we've drifted from the original plan for the states. Take care.

-Aiden-

There aren't going to be many people that understand (or even agree) with what you just said. But it's the clear truth. Well done Aiden.

P.S. Although I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the army?

Speculation but maybe it means that the USA is not meant to have an army at all times, only in tiimes of war. Although i wonder how that effects the States individual rights to an army.....i don't know, someone enlighten me

BEP,

I agree friend....I'm glad its all over too....but like you say, its really just beginning in many ways.  Its facinating to watch CNN and others now talking about morality, and how they see it as one of the main reasons for Bush's re-election.   I certainly don't view Bush as a saviour or perfect man (for those quoting some of his interviews), but his views, without question, line up better with the Word than the other guy did.   I didn't vote for the man, I voted for life, traditional marriage, strong leadership in the face of the prior and terrorism.   I don't see Bush as my pastor or spiritual leader, or Mr righteous come to save America.   His views on the key issues just come closer to mine than Kerry's did...nothing more.

Something that is clear to me from all this, is how blurry the line of morality/Gods standard is when choosing leaders for some people.   I suspect in 2008 (provided we are still here then) the Dems will suddenly find religion blurring that line even further.   I think we are in for an extremely interesting four years.  This topic will get hotter and hotter when the Bush starts picking replacment judges, and Democrats try to get a new grip on what has taken place.

I have some thoughts about the next four years, but I will save that for another thread.

Grace and Peace!

A standing Army may be unconstitutional in some peoples eyes. This is the reason the funding for the Military must be voted on and renewed each and every year.

If we did not have a Military unit at all times we would lay ourselves wide open for any and all to just walk in and take over our government. That is what the Cold War was all about, the prevention of our country being taken over by forces that were waiting for the right moment to do so.

This is still a real threat today. If we were to do away with this "standing" military force we would have been attacked long ago and by the time we had put a militia force into action it would have been to late to prevent a take over.

2nd Timothy, Brothers & Sisters,

(Tongue In Cheek)

The result from the ultra-liberal media is humorous after the election. I don't know of any Christians who worship George Bush, think he is God-like, or a pillar of Christian example. However, the media is portraying him as such to demean him and further stir the radical left. GET THIS!!! - talk of leaving America because it is too moral for their tastes and they don't want morality in the White House!  What a HOOT!  It's just too much to bear for some folks to know there is prayer in the White House and an electorate who believe in prayer, morals, and Biblical values. SURPRISE?   ???

The ignorance of the ultra-liberal news media about the majority of this country is astounding. Some of them obviously have no clue about the history of this country. Did they really think that everyone was going to get excited and vote for gay marriage and abortion? To imagine that as a platform for an old and respected political party is mind-boggling. I still don't understand it. Maybe they are re-thinking their positions now and wondering if they would have done better by having an openly gay and proud of it Presidential candidate. UM?? - that must be it!   ???

OR - Was It Tongue In Cheek?)

Love In Christ,
Tom