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Do you think God rates sin or are they all the same in his eyes?

I have no firm basis on which I base the following, I'm simply going to give an idea for people to support or tear to pieces.
Ok, here it goes:
I should think that God does rate sins. Reasons for this would be because he found Sodom and Gomorrah utterly offensive ( and thus getting a higher sin rating) than other cities. I should think however, that if God rates sin, then it is only in the present life. Once we are dead I don't think God'll take the time to rate each sin, "it's either you chose me or you didn't". Back to S and G, God may not rate sin, but instead was trying to make an example for the world. Perhaps all the cities were viewed as just as sinful. I had some more points, but one point drives out another so that's it for today. Take care.

-Aiden-

Christ died"FOR"our sins ( 1 Corinthians 15:3) Thats ALL sins PAST, PRESENT And FUTURE.


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I forgot to ask this Red Letters, are you seriously questioning this or is it meant as just something to evoke thought. I thought it was for evoking thought, my apologies if you didn't mean this to be a debate like that. And yes Brother Love I agree with your statement, but I think that if this topic is just a friendly debate then that was a kind but unnecessary post. Not to say that it isn't good to be reminded of course. Take care.

-Aiden-

Yes, I did mean it as a debate and as a serious question ... hence the reason I put it in the debate forum.  
I was taught that sin was all the same in God's eyes, but I disagree.  

All sin results in separation from God, but there is at least some differences in sin.

For instance blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Mat 12:31, Mark 3:29.

Also, 1 John 5 16-17 talks about sin leading to death and sin not leading to death.  

Some argue that means there are different levels of sin, some argue different results from sin.

I think the danger in thinking there are really bad sins and not so bad sins is the danger of thinking the not so bad are really okay.  But, as the not so bad sins separate the person from God, sinning that maybe started out little tends to abound.

Some ask questions such as this because they are afraid or feel that they have already committed unpardonable sins and so their  situation is hopeless.   I take comfort in what a  pastor told me years ago, that if you are still capable of being worried about whether you had committed unpardonable sins, it is almost certain that you have not.

Go in peace,
Marv

All sin is equal. Killing someone, is just as bad as having sex before you are married. However, that does bring up a good question.
In Mark 3:28-30 (if I'm not mistaken') it talks about blasphemes against the Holy Sprit. Thiat this is the ultimate sin. My preacher called this the unforgivable sin. But I thought that all sins where forgivable??!?

If the Holy Spirit is who draws us to Christ, and that call is rejected, is that not blaspheming the Holy Spirit thus not receiving forgivness of ones sins?   That is the one sin that rules out any forgivness.

I don't doubt that God being a Just God may choose to judge levels of sin more severely, but thats sort of a moot point IMO.   As Marv says, complete separation from God is complete separation from God no matter how you slice it.  And without Christ as your representitive on judgment day, complete separation from God will be Hell in the extreme.   I don't think God will take lightly, rejecting the price His Son paid for you and I, if it is ignored and refused.

Grace and Peace!

Amen tim, marv, and aiden. That covers this question very well.

I think the fallacy comes from the thought that because sin leads us to a seperation from God then all sin must be equal. Wrong. There are different severities of sin and sins that will have different consequences. As aiden pointed out, sin is judged on this present life. This is very apparent if you read the old testament. Consider looking at the entire chapter of Leviticus 26. For something that kids can apply now is honor your father and mother. Notice that this is an old law. And notice the reward: so that it may go well with you.

Obeying God's commandments and commiting sins do have consequences in life.

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Eve only took one little bite . . . :)

Shalom, Nana

Just goes to show how insurmountable<sp> the case against humanity (without Christ) really is doesn't it?  

Grace and Peace!

I believe that sin, is sin in God's eyes.  He says:


God doesn't view one man's sin as any worse than any other man's sin.  God doesn't hold one man as any better than any other man.  There is no partiality, or respect with regards to one man over any other.  There is only God's infinite grace.

While Romans 2:11 does say that God judges all men the same (paraphrasing), I should think that this is concerning their sins and how those sins concern their eternity. Yes, in the end we are all judged by the same God, and are all seen as equally unworthy of salvation. But that entire passage seems or atleast could be talking of just the final judgements. God looked down upon Job and said that he was the most righteous man of the time. This is God favoring someone because of something they did. Now I have been told that some believe that Job was not a real person and only served as an old Jewish story, but until further evidence is shown, I believe that Job was real. Now if God saw Job as more righteous than his neighbors, then surely God could just as easily be more displeased with the more sinful neighbors. I am not saying that he would judge either persons more or less favorbly in the end, but in their time alive, some of their sins could have been more or less repulsing to God. Of course God feels repulsed by all sins, but the level of repulsion could vary. Notice that I say could quite a good deal during this discussion. Keep in mind that this is all for the sake of discussion and that we are talking about God and his different levels of sin classification in the present life, not from death and on. I'm enjoying this thread. Take care.

-Aiden-

Aiden,

I think this falls more on the level of how God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.  Job didn't receive God's accomodations because of what he did, but because of what he was.  What do I mean by that?  That God respected his person more than the others of the day?  Nope!  God's not a respecter of persons as we have seen in His word.  Rather, Job was righteous, and did fear God.  It is in this humility and integrity that Job was an acceptable image-bearer.  That's why God said what He said.  That's what was in David's life that made him a man after God's Own heart.  That's what was in Abraham's life that made him God's friend.  None of these men were any better than anyone else.  But each of these men saw themselves in light of God and responded accordingly.  

Sin is sin in God's eyes, and is dealt with according to the mercy and grace He so choses to give.  It's only when He sees Himself reflected in our lives that He calls us His friend, men/women after His heart, or righteous, God-fearing individuals.

Again, it's about Him and how much of Him we allow to be reflected in our lives.   :)

Yeah!!!! the coffee man is back, and wiser than ever!   :D

Grace and Peace!

 :)  Back at ya Bro!

Well said argument, Allinall. I have to agree with you. It's been a pleasure too. Take care.

-Aiden-

I think this answers the question. Does God rate sin are they same in His eyes? (take notice that I was in agreement with the previous argument too.) Both are correct, however you may be thinking..."how can it if each one apparently contradicts the other"...the answer is they don't. Its seems from the latter argument (from brother allinall and I think Nana), that you are implying a stance against the previous argument. Likewise from the previous argument (aiden, marv, tim) that the latter argument is implying a stance against your argument. However there is no contradiction between these two.

The previous argument proposed that people will face the consequences of their sins and that different sins will have different consequences. So would that mean there is a degree of righteousness and sinfulness? Yes. Job was a good example. He was a righteous man and he was richly blessed by God. His riches and blessings were consequence of his righteousness. Likewise, there are bad results consequence of sinfulness. Thus there is a rate of sin that can be apparently seen in the present life.

The latter argument proposed that God sees that all sin are the "same." A better way to but this is the following:

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

"We ALL have sinned and fell short of the glory of God" (romans 'somewhere') but God sees that ALL are worthy to be redeemed through Jesus blood. What James 2:10 means is that if we have broken one law (just one single law) throughout our entire life, then we are guilty as a sinner.

God sees each Man as the same, a sinner. God does not show partialty to anyone- for anyone, absolutely ANYone, can believe in Jesus Christ and have eternal life. However, is one sin the same as another sin because this is true? No, this is the fallacy as I mentioned before. There are different sins with different consequences. There are different severities for different sins. We can witness the severity and consequences of such sin. Likewise, for righteouness, we can see the same thing. We see this take place in our present life.

Again, however, there is nothing too severe that can seperate us from the Love of Jesus Christ.


So, to answer the question: Do you think God rates sin or are they all the same in his eyes?

Sins have always had a rating and, thus, they will yield different results. This is the same for righteousness.

They are not the same in God's eye because God does see the righteousness and sinfulness of Man's life.

However, God could not find any single person sinless. Thus, we are all sinners. God sees that. Because God loves us and wants to redeem us, He allowed that we be cleansed of all sins through FAITH in Jesus. God will see if you have faith or if you dont. This will determine whether you will be clean from your sins.

In this manner, God sees that no matter how much you've sinned, that the blood of Christ will wash it away. It is in this way that God sees that 'righteous' man who has faith in Jesus and a 'sinful' man who has faith in Jesus are the same.

I'm pretty new at this reading the Bible thing and Christ, but I'll throw in my 2 cent. Hoping it's not to late for it, but here goes...

I was taught a long time ago when I first got saved, before I had a falling out, that sin is sin no matter what. This example was given to me to help me understand:

There is a fence, and on one side of the fence is sin, and on the other is righteousnous. When you have sex before marriage, you go on the sin side of the fence. When you murder someone in cold blood, you go on the sin side of the fence. Now, I must agree that the murderer would go farther back on the sin side, but they are both on the wrong side of the fence. That's what I was taught. Anyone agree or disagree?

Robert

I'm kinda like felix on this topic.  I agree with most of what has been said.   Sin is sin, and the smallest of it will separate us from God.   We are all on the wrong side of the fence to put it bluntly.  Christ is on the righteous side of the fence, and when we accept his gift of salvation, HIS righteousness is imputed to us.

About the degree's of sin, I still think God being a perfect just God will be just in his judgment of sin, but then again, to be on the wrong side of the fence to begin with makes all the rest a moot point anyways doesn't it?  

Rev 20:12  And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

I wont interpret this passage as I read it, but let the reader decide.  

Grace and Peace!

One sin - just one - makes you less than perfect. And that makes you unfit for Heaven. The worst sin is the one that each of us is guilty of.  :)

Romans 1:29-32 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Envy and murder are listed with gossip.... :-\

I agree SH.  One little sin is as black as night to God.  I promise I wasn't trying to make some sin not so bad   :D  Like I said, being on the wrong side of that fence wont make too much difference in the end.

Grace and Peace!

LOL! Sorry! I was just throwing out my thoughts on the subject! It's DW's fault!  :-X No connection to your post! :-X

Just for the record, we don't gossip about our neighbors....everything we say is the truth!   ;D


j/k

Grace and Peace!