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Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on October 02, 2004, 11:50:40 PM
RESUME


GEORGE W. BUSH

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

Washington, DC 20520


EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Law Enforcement:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

Military:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

College:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average. I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help of my father and our friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
- I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.

- I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

- I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.

- With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
- I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

- I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

- I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

- I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

- I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.

- I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market. In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

- I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

- I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

- I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

- My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.

- My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

- I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to
intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

- I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

- I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

- I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.

- I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.

- I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission

- I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

- I refused to allow inspector's access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).

- I set the record for fewest numbers of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.

- I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one-year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.

- I garnered the most sympathy ever for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

- I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protests against any person in the history of mankind.

- I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.

- I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in wartime.

- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq and then blamed the lies on our British friends.

- I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

- I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

- I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

-All records of my tenure as governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed and unavailable for public view.

- All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

- All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.


PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004!



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on October 03, 2004, 09:09:35 PM
President Bush and his allies have insisted that violence in Iraq is limited to a few isolated pockets of resistance. President Bush said last Wednesday that there are a "handful of people who are willing to kill in order to stop the process."[1] The next day, Interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi told reporters at a press conference in the Rose Garden "there is nothing, no problem, except on a small pocket in Fallujah."[2] Information in a secret report compiled for the administration suggests that Bush and Allawi are misleading the public about the scope of violence in Iraq.

According to data collected by Kroll Security International for the administration, there are about 70 attacks a day on U.S. and coalition forces, compared to 40-50 attacks a day before the transfer of authority to the interim Iraqi government.[3] Moreover, the data indicate attacks in "nearly every major city in central, western and northern Iraq."[4] Allawi, in a speech to Congress last Tuesday, described Baghdad as "very good and safe."[5] But the Kroll data reveal that, in recent weeks, there have been an average of 22 attacks per day on troops in Baghdad.[6]

Sources:
1. "President's Remarks in "Focus on Education with President Bush" Event ," The White House, 9/22/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=58489.
2. "President Bush and Prime Minister Allawi Press Conference," The White House, 9/23/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=58490.
3. "Violence in Iraq Belies Claims of Calm, Data Show," Washington Post, 9/24/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=58491.



Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 06, 2004, 04:25:45 AM
Bush is still better than Kerry.












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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Sulfurdolphin on October 06, 2004, 10:25:19 AM

 I agree with you Brother Love and what amazes me is that people still believe those bogus reports on Bush trying to descredit him. There is diffentely a spirit of hatred of what is good with our president than in any history of the nation.People hate what is good and what is just that is why they hate President Bush. They dont realize how well Iraq is now and they deny that our Economy is the taking off doing well and there are more jobs than more than ever there were back in 1994. and the list goes on.

We are diffentely safer with any republican in office than with a socialist democract since they like to socalize everything and to dismantle the military to make our country weaker not only that they allow foreigners in our country illegally.

http://www.thetruthaboutiraq.org/myths.htm

Michael


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on October 06, 2004, 12:03:17 PM
BUSH MISLED NATION IN LAST DEBATES

As President Bush takes the stage tonight for the 2004 presidential debates, America will be reminded of all the promises Bush made - and subsequently broke - in his debate performances throughout 2000.

In a 2000 debate, Bush said that "by far the vast majority [of my tax cuts] go to the bottom end of the economic ladder." According to the nonpartisan Citizens for Tax Justice, when his tax cuts are fully implemented in 2010, the top 5 percent of income earners will get more than half the tax cuts while the bottom half of Americans will receive less than 8 percent of the benefits.[1]

In a 2000 debate, Bush said he believed gay marriage is a state issue.[2] Then in 2004, he proposed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.[3]

In a 2000 debate, Bush promised not to overuse the military, saying "if we don't stop extending our troops all around the world and nation building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road, and I'm going to prevent that."[4] Now, because of Bush's actions in Iraq and efforts to cut soldiers' pay,[5] the military is facing recruitment gaps,[6] morale problems,[7] and troops who are stretched far too thin.[8]

Sources:

1. "Details on the Bush Tax Cuts so far," Citizens for Tax Justice, Fall 2003, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59934.
2. "Transcript of the South Carolina Republican Debate," CNN.com, 2/15/00,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59935.
3. "President Calls for Constitutional Amendment Protecting Marriage," The White House, 2/24/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59936.
4. "The First Presidential Election Debate," AustralianPolitics.com, 10/03/00, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59937.
5. "Troops in Iraq face pay cut Pentagon says tough duty bonuses are budget-buster," San Francisco Chronicle, 8/14/03, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59938.
6. "Numbers Challenge," ABCNews.com, 6/02/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59939.
7. "Troop morale in Iraq hits 'rock bottom'," Christian Science Monitor, 6/07/03, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59940.
8. "Is the Army stretched too thin?," NBC Nightly News, 3/09/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=59941.



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: sincereheart on October 06, 2004, 03:36:23 PM
Bush, Do you want four more years?


YES!  :)


Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 06, 2004, 03:53:42 PM
Bush, Do you want four more years?


YES!  :)

Another"TWO"Thumbs UP Sister :)






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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on October 06, 2004, 04:02:19 PM
(http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/peace.gif) more years   ;D


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: vicjr on October 06, 2004, 11:01:54 PM
I also am for four more years. Besides liking Bush over Kerry, I don't feel this is the right time to be 'shifting' gears.


Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 07, 2004, 09:16:42 AM
(http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/peace.gif) more years   ;D


DITTO :)






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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: I_Praise_Jesus on October 07, 2004, 11:19:39 PM
Thank God that Bush is our president, and was our president after we were attacked on 9/11.  Kerry would have done nothing about it.  Kerry would have gone to the UN to get permission to go after the terrorists.  That is nuts!  I am praying that Bush wins again.  We need him now more than ever, especially with the biggest liberal in the senate running against him.

Bush is a Christian, a good man, a smart man, a good father, and a good husband.  We need him.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Shammu on October 08, 2004, 04:26:30 PM
Bush is still better than Kerry.












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AMEN Brother Love

You get 2 thumbs up. ;D


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Allinall on October 09, 2004, 03:40:54 PM
The information posted concerning President Bush, whether right or wrong, serves only to prove his humanity.  This man's humanity isn't in question.  This man's integrity is.  Reminds me of a passage:

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The integrity of the upright guides them,
   but the crookedness of the treacherous destroys them.

Proverbs 11:3

President Bush has an integrity that guides him.  He's not perfect.  But he has integrity.  He stands by what he believes and does what he says.  Is he perfect?  No.  But he is a man of integrity.

A man like that will get my vote every day.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Mustard Seed on October 09, 2004, 08:31:47 PM
Bush get's my vote!!  

Woo Hoo !!
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No matter who wins, pray for our leadership!!
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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: becky on October 09, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
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We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we
believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman's right to choose,
consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against
Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning
and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.


We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal
responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families. In our country, marriage has been
defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We
repudiate President Bush's divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a "Federal
Marriage Amendment." Our goal is to bring Americans together, not drive them apart.


When the choice we have is the above or Bush  I vote Bush.
If you vote for a democrate you are voting for the above it is a direct quote from the 2004 democratic platforum.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Shammu on October 09, 2004, 10:13:52 PM
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We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we
believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman's right to choose,
consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against
Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning
and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.


We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal
responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families. In our country, marriage has been
defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We
repudiate President Bush's divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a "Federal
Marriage Amendment." Our goal is to bring Americans together, not drive them apart.


When the choice we have is the above or Bush  I vote Bush.
If you vote for a democrate you are voting for the above it is a direct quote from the 2004 democratic platforum.
AMEN sister!! ;D
For that post you get 2 thumbs up ;D


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 10, 2004, 05:29:10 AM
Brother Ollie,

You appear to be quoting several over-the-edge "Move-on-dot-orgers". Have you ever considered how much or how little bears any resemblance to the truth? I've wondered the same about other material sources, including some that are for Bush.

The record of their own words and actions is more than sufficient for me. I don't need any 2nd or 3rd parties to explain what they did or what they said.

Brother, regardless, I respect whatever method you choose to make your decision. I don't respect Kerry, but I do respect you.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on October 10, 2004, 06:10:13 AM
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We will defend the dignity of all Americans against those who would undermine it. Because we
believe in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman's right to choose,
consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against
Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning
and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.


We support full inclusion of gay and lesbian families in the life of our nation and seek equal
responsibilities, benefits, and protections for these families. In our country, marriage has been
defined at the state level for 200 years, and we believe it should continue to be defined there. We
repudiate President Bush's divisive effort to politicize the Constitution by pursuing a "Federal
Marriage Amendment." Our goal is to bring Americans together, not drive them apart.

(http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/puke.gif)  Sorry for the gross smiley, but thats about how I feel when I read this.

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When the choice we have is the above or Bush  I vote Bush.
If you vote for a democrate you are voting for the above it is a direct quote from the 2004 democratic platforum.

I couldn't agree more Becky!  BTW, I don't believe we've met.   (http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/wave.gif) Welcome to CU!!  

Grace and Peace!


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Melody on October 10, 2004, 10:35:26 AM
I seriously do not understand the Christian support that Bush has received.  This man uses the term "Christian" as an excuse for everything he does and yet his actions speak more of hate and deception.

I'm curious how you can fluff off all of the "accusations" in the original post to this forum as someone just trying to turn people against him instead of wondering why you're electing a man whose entire life is a lie....right up to the present.

Until recently I would get quite agitated at the thought of Bush being re-elected, but then I realized that in order for God to fulfill Revelations, we will need to have pretenders in power to take us down the road of prophecy.   In which case, this hypocrite fits the bill perfectly because he has a lot of Christians fooled as to his character and motives.





Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 10, 2004, 05:10:24 PM
Melody,

This is America and anyone can write whatever they want about public figures. It doesn't have to be true or bear any semblance of truth. It could be anywhere from outright blatant lies, everything between, and the truth.

The "everything between"  could be gross distortions, added fabrications, embellishment, twisted truth, and any number of other things that are called politics. Some folks call it spin, and other folks swallow it whole as truth. For that reason, I don't pay much attention to the 527 garbage on either side.

If a horse in the race speaks from his own mouth, I pay a lot of attention to that. If there is an unquestioned public record of votes or deeds that pertain to the office, I pay great attention to that. If there are spins about what a candidate did or didn't do as a child or a juvenile, I don't pay much attention to it.

Piles of garbage is being thrown at voters every day. If you wish to sift through the piles of garbage to find a morsel of truth, that's your business and right to do so.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Melody on October 10, 2004, 05:39:15 PM

This is America and anyone can write whatever they want about public figures It doesn't have to be true or bear any semblance of truth. It could be anywhere from outright blatant lies, everything between, and the truth.

Yes, some of the things listed were a bit far fetched and some ridiculous assertions, but there's some truth in there as well.  If this man is an example of Christianity, and one that other Christians seem to hold in some esteem, then I'm not surprised at the people who question what the term "Christianity" means in this day and age....since it appears that it means deception, hatred and aggression.  What a witness.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 10, 2004, 06:03:37 PM

This is America and anyone can write whatever they want about public figures It doesn't have to be true or bear any semblance of truth. It could be anywhere from outright blatant lies, everything between, and the truth.

Yes, some of the things listed were a bit far fetched and some ridiculous assertions, but there's some truth in there as well.  If this man is an example of Christianity, and one that other Christians seem to hold in some esteem, then I'm not surprised at the people who question what the term "Christianity" means in this day and age....since it appears that it means deception, hatred and aggression.  What a witness.


Melody,

There are no Christians who come anywhere close to measuring up to the Glory and Righteousness of God. Are you saying that you come closer to measuring up than George Bush? If so, run for public office.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Melody on October 10, 2004, 06:18:24 PM

There are no Christians who come anywhere close to measuring up to the Glory and Righteousness of God. Are you saying that you come closer to measuring up than George Bush? If so, run for public office.


I'm not a bible scholar so don't have the exact quote, but I remember studying something about those in leadership being held to higher standards.  I also remember learning that it is our responsibility as Christians to let a brother or sister know when they are not acting as they should.

Christians voting for Bush are in effect saying, "You are behaving as a Christian should"....only because he uses his Christianity as a media sales tactic.

Do I come closer to measuring up?  I guess only the Lord knows the answer to that.  I do know that in my daily life I try to always keep in mind that I am being judged by others for no other reason than that I am a Christian and it is important that I "walk the walk" so that I am a positive witness to the Lord.

I own my business and am in the public eye every day and I make sure that all of my business dealings are done honestly and ethically.  Sadly, when one of my customers found out I was a Christian, he said, "I would never have guessed.  You're such a nice person."  

Are you excusing George Bush because it's impossible to measure up to God?



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 10, 2004, 07:45:45 PM
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Melody Said:

Are you excusing George Bush because it's impossible to measure up to God?

No - are you trying to do the opposite? If so, there are NO Christian politicians in the country who measure up and there never will be.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Melody on October 10, 2004, 08:08:24 PM
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Melody Said:

Are you excusing George Bush because it's impossible to measure up to God?

No - are you trying to do the opposite? If so, there are NO Christian politicians in the country who measure up and there never will be.


No, I'd rather vote for a non-Christian than for a "Christian" who uses it as a voting tactic.

As far as I can tell from reading the various boards, people here are voting for Bush because he says he's a Christian and is pushing all the right religious right buttons (anti-abortion and homosexuals) and ignoring everything else about this man.

As far as I can tell this conversation is going nowhere.  



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Expose on October 10, 2004, 09:35:59 PM
Again I see people, the same people, nonetheless, supporting an praising those who agre with them, and bashing recklessly those who state disagreeing opinions.

Let me make it clear; Bush is a warmongerer. Kerry will be no different ont hat aspect. Bothhave already stated plans to invade Iran next. Syria, Lybia, North Korea, and Thailand have also been mentioned.

God is not going to bless this entire country. It's timeto wake up, people. We are New babylon.

If Bush is Christian, why would he pull This stunt?
http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/index.php

It's a deceptive and dishonorable practice to release information as such. And on top of that, it's sad to disallow free speech otherwise.

If Bush was a Christian, why would he be holding Sherman Austin in prison, and have had the court give the sentence that if he Didn't plead guilty and sever 1 year in prison with 3 years afterward disallowed to use digital devices, he wouldbe held up to Twenty Years under the PATRIOT Act?

Sherman Austin was a rights activist who made public his opinions on Bush, and supplied proof of Bush's misdealings.

When someone posted a link to a site describing how to make a homemade bomb, the government slapped the cuffs on Sherman, who had nothing to do with the writing fo the article, and hauled him away. As well, they insinuated that Sherman had written the document, and had the media play Sherman as a terrorist.

If having a link to a website describing how to make a homemade bomb is illegal, then everyone at Ebay should be arrested, as links and Books for Sale Abound on the website.

A full article
http://news.phaseiii.org/article3180.html

Other examples of use of the PATRIOT Act tos ilence critics
http://infowars.com/print/patriot_act/examples.htm

Operation TIPS - Government recruiting of oyour mail man, cable guy, truckers, etc to spy on YOU
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/tips-j22.shtml


If Bush was a Christian, why would he have been smiling during the events of September 11th? Why would he have done nothing as the planes came in, when there is public record of his knowledge of the attacks Before even the "School incident" happened?

A chonological timeline of events and video from September 11th, 2001
http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040606205339801



||||||Marches at Republican Convention Treated Like Terrorists||||||

""The conditions of my arrest were pretty appalling," says Maria Cincotta, a 26-year-old New York teacher who was arrested on Tuesday night of convention week near Union Square. "We were given no order to disperse. Had I been asked to leave, I would have in a second." When Cincotta complained to police that her plastic handcuffs were too tight—other arrestees’ hands turned blue—they replied with a boilerplate "Sorry, we can’t do that."
City officials converted a disused bus depot on the Hudson River’s Pier 57 into what detainees nicknamed "Little Guantánamo" for its outdoor setting and maze of pens divided by chain-link fencing. Numerous arrest victims reported being denied food and water or access to an attorney or a phone. ("Sorry, I can’t do that," police said.) Children, some who happened to be walking down the street when the cops arrested everyone present, were locked up for several days. Police refused to tell their frantic parents where they were. Adding to the misery was a resinous layer of gasoline and toxic cleansers coating the floor. "Everybody was laying in filth," said Cincotta. "

http://infowars.com/oct04/littleguan.htm


Bush and Kerry are both working for a group, they have a means toward a Satanic, Luciferian, Global government, Run by the descendants of Esau.

We are in the time of Revelation. There is a great deception occuring as we speak.

Do you want a person in power who will continue the bloody line American Presidents have left behind? Do you want to keep Bush in power, who not only had prior knowledge of September 11th, but possiblyhelped plan it? Who we know, Surely, ordered his men to Stand Down regarding 9/11, regarding when we had Osama Bin Laden trapped?

Do you want someone in power who we have proof is tied closely to the Bin laden family; Whose money trails lead right bck to Texas?

Do you want 1 year AWOL National Guard member Geroge Bush telling your sons and daughters what to do, all for the means of Satan's gain?

Do you want John Kerry as President, who shot himself in the foot during a war to get out of battle?

Do you want to continue to support corrupt office officials, Congressmen, Cabinet members, Cheifs of Staff, Supreme Court Justices, Forign Affairs Embassadors, who have stayed out of the wars this country has waged, and met every year wi Satanic gathering at Bohemian Grove on July 15th, for a ritual called Cremation of Care, in which they worship Satan before the stone owl Molech, the same Molech that babylon and Tyre worshipped?

Clip from a video done from infiltrating Bohemian Grove
http://www.prisonplanet.com/grove56k.ram

A webstie further detailing teh grove with pictures of Both Bushes, etc.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Grove.htm

Do you want to keep these people in office, in corporate power, who have been tratiors to the United States since day one? People who, when writing the Nation's Declaration fof Independance in the same year as the umbrella organiation The Illuminati was formed, Gorge Washington ackonwledged existed in our midst, and spoke worry of their ambitions?


Do you want to relelect deserters? Bush, Kerry, Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Jeb Bush, Roy Blunt, Dennis Hassert, Larry Craig, Ronald Regan, Dan Quayle, Jack Kemp, John Ashcroft, Aurther Kennedy, Harvery Pitt, and my personal expose Rush Limbaugh.


A list of "Chickenhawks", US war deserters.
http://66.230.230.110/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040602034902878

When people like Billy O'Reilly are looked upon as model news figures, it should be obvious it's time to take back the media.

O'Reilly "Rush has freedom of speech ya know", "Glick? Cut his mic."

http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040610173242781


           They own the media.

                Take it back.

http://www.tbtmradio.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040603235249605


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 11, 2004, 03:54:33 AM
Expose - JitC,

Thanks for the comedy links.

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Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 11, 2004, 04:20:07 AM
Expose - JitC,

Thanks for the comedy links.

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Another



DITTO



 ;D




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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on October 11, 2004, 07:52:17 AM
Conspiracists of the world unite!!!!  (I think he left out the shooter on the grassy knoll however)

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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: sincereheart on October 11, 2004, 08:02:40 AM
Quote of the week...

"Three Purple Hearts? I mean, the first one whether he ought to have a Purple Heart. He got two in one day -- [Kerry] never bled that I know of. They were all superficial wounds. As far as I know, he never spent one day in the hospital, I don't think he draws any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability.

And he's boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who really got shot up in Vietnam....

Maybe he should apologize to all the other two-and-a-half million veterans who served.

He wasn't the only one who was in Vietnam. I think Senator Kerry needs to talk about his Senate record, which is pretty thin.

That's probably why he's talking about his war record, which is pretty confused."

--Retired Senator Bob Dole, who was severely wounded in action with the 10th Mountain Division in Italy during WW II



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 11, 2004, 02:06:18 PM
Conspiracists of the world unite!!!!  (I think he left out the shooter on the grassy knoll however)

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2nd Timothy,

Brother, it looks like they did unite, just with paper airplanes and pea-shooters.   ;D


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Expose on October 11, 2004, 04:45:15 PM
So again you're showing me that you're not Christian. This kind of action andd attitude is the kind of thing I expect from atheists.

"Conspiracy theorists of the world unite!"

Watch this, it's a guy on CNN talking about the New World Order.

http://www.infowars.com/Video/nwo/CNN-NWO(high).ram


"Oh, it's just conspiracy."

Kerry "There are a lot of secret things I'm not allowed to talk about."
http://www.infowars.com/Video/kerry.WMV


"There's no proof of what they say is happening. It's all just insanity and theroy."

We are controlled by the government.

When this nation was designed it wsa to be "By the people, for the people." The definition of a Republic is basically like a really organized public vote on issues. Today we are under Totalitarianism with the veil of Democracy.

|||Totalitarianism: “ ... imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed -- The American Heritage Dictionary|||

Our two presented main choices for President have the exat same agenda, and are third cousins. People are being jailed every day. Gun laws are being cracked down on. Military troops now train with state and local police just as Hitler orderded his men to do.

"Patriotism" is at level highs, just as it was in Germany. People look at our soldiers as heroes and freedom fighters, people who aim to make the world better, just as people in Germany looked on their own; Until it went bad.

We have no freedom but that which we make, and that of our souls.

Aren't we supposed to be taking out dictators?

Oh that's right, it's our history to put them in power.

Here's a showing of Bush's true desire.

Bush "This would be much easier if I were a dictator."
http://www.infowars.com/Video/bush-dictator.mpg


|||Fully ten days before the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington DC, the Houston Chronicle had already run its chilling story under the banner headline, “Danger Zone: Justice Department Looking More Like Secret Police.” The Chronicle expressed its outrage over John Ashcroft’s attacks on two journalists, Vanessa Leggett and John Solomon.

“The Justice Department must immediately stop its attempts at threatening and intimidating journalists and writers,” said Ray Marcano, president of the Society of Professional Journalists and managing editor of the Dayton (Ohio) Daily News. “Someone at Justice needs to be held accountable for these outrageous acts.”

Just Conspiracy Theroy!?


More here
http://www.ballotpaper.org/archives/000740.html#more|||

##################Marchers at political convention treated like enemy combatants##################
http://infowars.com/oct04/littleguan.htm

##################Operatoin TIPS - To hire your cable guy, mail man, truck drivers, and other civil ervice workers to spy on You##################
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/tips-j22.shtml

##################Civil Rights Activist Webmaster Jailed and Lynched in the Media as a Terrorist Supporter##################
http://news.phaseiii.org/article3180.html

##################Bush's Police State Acts, The SS Confronting High School Students##################
http://www.ballotpaper.org/archives/000740.html#more

Further examples of the PATRIOT Act being used to hold citizens
http://infowars.com/print/patriot_act/examples.htm

Speaking of dictators
Hear what Arnold has to say.
UPDATE (10/03/03)
The full story on Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Self-proclaimed Wannabe Dictator

In a 1976 interview for Rolling Stone magazine, Arnold said he dreamed of being a dictator and controlling large groups of people....
http://infowars.com/print/nwo/exclusive_arnold.htm



BRIGHT SIDE

Nader speaks out
http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Oct_04/071004_nader_bones.html

Ralph Nader speaks about how the two political parties are controlled and have the same mind. He talks about how both are goverened and funded by the same corporate powers.


Dark side
Two bills now on the floor for a National ID card with eletronic functions to keep track of All data about you, to be combined with "Homeland Security" files.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/october2004/041004nationalids.htm


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Shammu on October 11, 2004, 04:56:30 PM
Welcome back JitC. I see you couldn't stay gone long.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Expose on October 11, 2004, 06:26:33 PM
What is with the paranoia in this group? That's the thrid time I've been accused of being an old member here.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 12, 2004, 02:10:17 AM
Expose - JitC,

It's too late. The Pokemons have already taken over. They must have rules, so they are coming for the anarchists first. You can run, but you can't hide.

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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Shammu on October 12, 2004, 03:38:41 AM
I though it was Pac-man........
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Title: The fight for black voters
Post by: sincereheart on October 12, 2004, 04:18:56 AM
The fight for black voters
Star Parker
October 12, 2004


"Recent polling by the Pew Research Center shows a notable change in black sentiment for the presidential candidates. Black support for Sen. John Kerry is now 73 percent, down from 83 percent in August, and black support for President Bush has doubled from 6 percent to12 percent. The Democrats clearly are nervous and are taking the gloves off in ads aimed at black voters.

The current ad campaign, financed by the pro-Kerry Media Fund, uses hip ghetto slang to attack Republicans, "wealthy white boys" (as if this doesn't describe Kerry and John Edwards), for causing every imaginable ill and misfortune in black America. The ads are essentially the voice of a field boss trying to scare folks from believing that life might actually be better off the plantation.

Blacks need to listen to these ads carefully. What is Kerry for? No one will ever find out listening to this ad campaign. There is not a single idea, a single proposal or single thought about what might be ailing blacks other than the fact that a Republican is in the White House. The Democrats are running a pure campaign of fear and smear in their message to a community desperately in need of real ideas.

Kerry has attacked Bush foreign policy by calling it "more of the same." This is, in fact, what Kerry offers black voters. More of the same government answers for everything, more of the same blame on everyone else for black problems.

It is time for black children to stop hearing that they can't make it, and this is exactly what they are hearing from Democrats.

I recently came across an article reporting a correlation between income and height. It is a fact of life that tall people earn more, on average, than short people. Researchers have even got the disparity down to inches. On average, income increases by $1,500 per year for every additional inch in height. Don't ask me why people pay for this kind of research, but it's out there. Additional work has been done trying to account for the disparity, but no definitive answer has emerged. We just have the fact. Tall people earn more.

What is the mother of a short child to do? Should she tell the child he or she is doomed? Should we form the National Association for the Advancement of Short People? Affirmative-action programs to address the inherent unfairness of this biologically dictated disparity? This is, of course, ridiculous. But, this is what racial politics have become.

A wonderful book was published several years ago called "Getting Rich in America." Written by Dwight R. Lee, a professor from the College of Business at the University of Georgia, and Richard B. McKenzie, a professor at the Graduate School of Business at the University of California, this is no "how to get rich quick" manual. The book discusses the results of research of the behavior of successful Americans. According to the authors, anyone following their rules for success is virtually certain to get wealthy in our country.

What are the rules? Think of America as the Land of Choices. Be optimistic about the possibilities Take the power of compound interest seriously _ then save. Resist temptation. Take control of your life. Get a good education. Get married and stay married. Take care of yourself. Take responsibility for your mind and body. Take prudent risks. Strive for balance. Recognize traditional virtues like honesty and commitment.

According to the authors, every American who follows these rules will become wealthy over the course of their life, regardless of the circumstances of their birth.

Blacks should take note of this on Election Day because these rules read like the Republican Party platform. Personal responsibility, private Social Security accounts, health-care savings accounts, school choice, traditional values and marriage.

It's time for blacks to be more concerned with what is going on in their own house than having a Democrat in the White House.

By the way, the richest American, multibillionaire Bill Gates of Microsoft, at 5-feet-10 inches, is an inch taller than the national average for males."


Star Parker is president of the Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education and author of the newly released book 'Uncle Sam's Plantation.'

©2004 Star Parker
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/StarParker/sp20041012.shtml (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/StarParker/sp20041012.shtml)


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on October 12, 2004, 06:29:02 PM
Bush and Cheney on Iraq intel: FALSE
10/08/2004 18:25
Bush and Cheney seem to be following Rumsfeld in his crИativement faux mea culpa.

The administration is trying to pass off a faux mea culpa in telling the US and the world that the intel on Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction was bogus.  Layer by layer, the administration's justifications for the war in Iraq are crumbling.  More intel has surfaced to indicate that Iraq's WDM program had been sunset as early as 1991.  

Even as late as one week ago, both Bush and Cheney stated without reservation that the Iraq government possessed WDMs at the onset of the military action against Iraq.

Bush, who bears ultimate responsibility for the debauched military action, has so far not been able to bring himself to admit publicly he had no reason what so ever for the war that has costs thousands of lives, both Iraq civilians and American military. Not to mention Omnicide because of the lethal radioactivity from the use of deplete uranium.

The connection between Bin Laden and Iraq never existed - despite what Bush and Cheney stated was an absolute fact.  

Bush"s administration is now plagued with exposed dishonesty, double dealings, prisoner abuse scandals, UN violations, and as this writer predicted, voting problems in Florida.

The Bush regime has yet to explain why the Bin Laden family that was in the US at the time of 9/11 was secreted out of the US despite a presidential order to ground all air craft.  

If readers will remember, the 9/11 commission wanted Bush, his cabinet, and his advisors to testify.  Bush demanded that his people not be put under oath.

The administration is also trying to do damage control on the reinstitution of the military draft.  It does not take an act of congress to reinstituted the Selective Service - it is still very much alive, but inactive at the moment.  Bush has committed the US to a growing military presence through out the world as well has giving overtures to military action against Iran and Sudan.  US recruiting efforts are starting to fall way short to meet the increasing demands of a self described "war president".
 
Michael Berglin
http://english.pravda.ru/main/


 


 
 
 
 
 


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 12, 2004, 08:33:47 PM
Quote
Ollie Said:

The administration is also trying to do damage control on the reinstitution of the military draft.  It does not take an act of congress to reinstituted the Selective Service - it is still very much alive, but inactive at the moment.  Bush has committed the US to a growing military presence through out the world as well has giving overtures to military action against Iran and Sudan.  US recruiting efforts are starting to fall way short to meet the increasing demands of a self described "war president".

Michael Berglin
http://english.pravda.ru/main/

Brother Ollie, your source is way behind and false. It was a Democrat who introduced a bill reinstating the draft, and it went nowhere. I can get the name for you if you like. The whole thing was little more than a joke, and they tried to pin it on President Bush, just like a lot of other things. Move On Dot Org and the other 527s don't tell the truth very often.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Appeal for Indictment of John Kerry Completed
Post by: nChrist on October 12, 2004, 09:13:34 PM
From:  The Federalist Patriot

Subject: Appeal for Indictment of John Kerry Completed


DATE: 12 October 2004

CAMPAIGN UPDATE: The Petition for Indictment of John Kerry reached its target of 150,000 signatures in September. (This petition for indictment will remain online for informational purposes see http://patriotpetitions.us/ (http://patriotpetitions.us/), and will accept additional signatures, which we will report each quarter after the petition for indictment is filed.)


Dear Fellow Patriot,

The petition for indictment of John Kerry, for "giving aid and comfort to the enemy," and, thus, to disqualify him for national office, has reached its goal of more than 150,000 signatures. On Monday, 18 October, the petition will be delivered by registered courier to Vice President Richard Cheney (in his capacity as Senate President), Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft today.

Though John Kerry has an extensive and well-documented record of anti-American activities over the past three decades [see "John Kerry: More aid and comfort..." at http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/ (http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/), it is his acts of treason in 1970-71 that are the subject of this petition for indictment.  Our appeal notes both Kerry's violations of the UCMJ (Article 104 part 904) and U.S. Code (18 USC Sec. 2381 and 18 USC Sec. 953), and calls for his disqualification for public office in accordance with the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, which states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice- President ... having previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

Why prosecute John Kerry now?

In October 2003, Mr. Kerry chose to make his Vietnam war record the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency; this has been especially true since his primary victory in March 2004 [see "Kerry's Quagmire..." http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/ (http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/). In response, more than 165,000 signatories of the above-referenced petition for indictment have made his war record the centerpiece of their campaign to disqualify Kerry from public office.

We understand that no action is likely to be taken on this petition until after the 02 November election. Be it known, however, that on 03 November, we will seek full recourse in an effort to have John Kerry prosecuted for acts of treason and disqualified from any future campaign for any national office. We are thus committed to holding Mr. Kerry accountable for his actions, as there is no statute of limitations for acts of treason.

Thank you for taking the time to sign this petition for indictment. Rest assured that your voice will be heard.

Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!

Mark Alexander Publisher, The Federalist Patriot

MEDIA CONTACT: John Machen <media@patriotpetitions.us>

PRIVACY POLICY: Patriot Petitions is not a commercial site and does NOT release any identifiable information on our petitioners to any third party under any circumstances, nor do we accept any third party advertising to our lists.




Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 20, 2004, 04:30:12 AM
Quote
Ollie Said:

The administration is also trying to do damage control on the reinstitution of the military draft.  It does not take an act of congress to reinstituted the Selective Service - it is still very much alive, but inactive at the moment.  Bush has committed the US to a growing military presence through out the world as well has giving overtures to military action against Iran and Sudan.  US recruiting efforts are starting to fall way short to meet the increasing demands of a self described "war president".

Michael Berglin
http://english.pravda.ru/main/

Brother Ollie, your source is way behind and false. It was a Democrat who introduced a bill reinstating the draft, and it went nowhere. I can get the name for you if you like. The whole thing was little more than a joke, and they tried to pin it on President Bush, just like a lot of other things. Move On Dot Org and the other 527s don't tell the truth very often.

Love In Christ,
Tom


True Tom, You get "TWO"Thumbs UP :)





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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Sulfurdolphin on October 20, 2004, 11:55:30 AM

 The reinstitution of the military draft was actually proposed by 2 democrats. Not by the Republican party.

Democrat Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY) Introduced The “Universal National Service Act Of 2003” To Reinstate Military Draft.

Democrat Senator Ernest Hollings (D-SC) Has Introduced Identical Military Draft Legislation.

Historically the World War 2 Military draft ended in 1973.

The democrats are blaming Bush for reinstating the draft and basically it is a scare tactic the democrats are doing to try win the election.

Bush even said during his debate that he will not insititute the draft. The democrats want to destroy our nation by reinstuting the draft trying to thin the military out over the nations.

Michael


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Sulfurdolphin on October 20, 2004, 11:56:32 AM

 The reinstitution of the military draft was actually proposed by 2 democrats. Not by the Republican party.

Democrat Congressman Charles Rangel (D-NY) Introduced The “Universal National Service Act Of 2003” To Reinstate Military Draft.

Democrat Senator Ernest Hollings (D-SC) Has Introduced Identical Military Draft Legislation.

Historically the World War 2 Military draft ended in 1973.

The democrats are blaming Bush for reinstating the draft and basically it is a scare tactic the democrats are doing to try win the election.

Bush even said during his debate that he will not insititute the draft. The democrats want to destroy our nation by reinstuting the draft trying to thin the military out over the nations.

Michael


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 20, 2004, 12:53:30 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

Here's what gets me steamed:  It isn't JUST the Move-On-Dot-Orgers any longer, rather Kerry himself. Kerry knows quite well that the military draft legislation was a Democrat's work, but he is blaming President Bush just days before the election. The Social Security scare is also a complete lie that Kerry is pushing - days before the election. Kerry is desperate and willing to do anything to get elected. Bold and blunt lies are no problem at all for Kerry.

If one looks at all of the moral issues, candidate Kerry is a complete disgrace. In fact, the Democratic Platform is a complete disgrace. Same sex marriage and abortion are evil, so the lies from Kerry compliment the platform.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on October 20, 2004, 01:28:45 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

Here's what gets me steamed:  It isn't JUST the Move-On-Dot-Orgers any longer, rather Kerry himself. Kerry knows quite well that the military draft legislation was a Democrat's work, but he is blaming President Bush just days before the election. The Social Security scare is also a complete lie that Kerry is pushing - days before the election. Kerry is desperate and willing to do anything to get elected. Bold and blunt lies are no problem at all for Kerry.

If one looks at all of the moral issues, candidate Kerry is a complete disgrace. In fact, the Democratic Platform is a complete disgrace. Same sex marriage and abortion are evil, so the lies from Kerry compliment the platform.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Agreed Tom.  See the "Whatever Means Necessary " thread in this forum.

Grace and Peace!


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 20, 2004, 08:34:36 PM
I have served in three wars from Viet Nam to Desert Storm. I saw the results of Kerry's politics after his Viet Nam tour. He is a traitor simple and plain. Many good men were tortured and killed because of his politics and many others were spit on and totally disgraced because of him and the organization he belonged to at the time.

I apologize if I sound bitter but it is hard not to be when you fight to keep your country and the world free, risking your life by being shot at, bombed, etc., just to come home and have the likes of people like John Kerry in the 70's spit on you, call you a murderer and a baby killer.

It gets even harder when that same person runs for office and brings all of that up again, dividing the nation as he has tried to do. Especially when he advocates the killing of babies, resorting to "talks" in dealing with murderers and stands for all the other things that is against the teachings of the Bible.

 


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Chesed on October 21, 2004, 01:19:07 PM
Pastor Roger -

Thank you so much for your service to our country. You're a true hero in my book!

Kerry on the other hand is not. Did you hear about his comment that he thinks a soldier who dies under the US flag is not honorable, but one who dies under the UN flag is honorable?! May God prevent such a man from becoming president!

Take care,
Chesed


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Kalthzar on October 21, 2004, 01:38:22 PM
i wouldn't mind another four years as long as the election represented the majority peoples descion (sp!)


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on October 22, 2004, 11:09:07 PM
Fear and intimidation and dig the skeletons out of forty year old closets, some of which are gross lies by false witnesses, seem to be many politicians platform today with no hint of governing America any way but.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 22, 2004, 11:43:12 PM
Fear and intimidation and dig the skeletons out of forty year old closets, some of which are gross lies by false witnesses, seem to be many politicians platform today with no hint of governing America any way but.

Brother Ollie,

I wish that Kerry would stop doing that.   ;D


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 22, 2004, 11:59:31 PM
Pastor Roger -

Thank you so much for your service to our country. You're a true hero in my book!

Kerry on the other hand is not. Did you hear about his comment that he thinks a soldier who dies under the US flag is not honorable, but one who dies under the UN flag is honorable?! May God prevent such a man from becoming president!

Take care,
Chesed

Thank you. That really means a lot to me.

Yes, I heard what he said in reference to that. I feel it shameful.  His exact statement,

"If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

It had (and still does) me at a loss for words.




Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 23, 2004, 12:09:20 AM
Fear and intimidation and dig the skeletons out of forty year old closets, some of which are gross lies by false witnesses, seem to be many politicians platform today with no hint of governing America any way but.

And sometimes those "THIRTY" year old skeletons still have a whole lot of flesh on them.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 09:20:33 AM
Quote
"If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

Neither case is honorable.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 23, 2004, 12:18:09 PM
Quote
"If you mean dying in the course of the United Nations effort, yes, it is worth that. If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

Neither case is honorable.


There you are wrong.

Joh 15:13  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 12:21:27 PM
Non sequitur.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 23, 2004, 12:55:29 PM
Non sequitur.

How do you figure that?


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Tim Vaughan on October 23, 2004, 01:12:45 PM
Kerry said

Quote
If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

You quoted

Quote
Joh 15:13  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


There is no relationship between the two quotes.


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: nChrist on October 23, 2004, 11:26:21 PM
Kerry said

Quote
If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

You quoted

Quote
Joh 15:13  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


There is no relationship between the two quotes.


Tim,

Many paid with their lives for the freedoms you enjoy, including the freedom to worship God. Freedom is precious, and someone always pays for it. We will lose our freedoms if we ever have a shortage of courageous people who are willing to fight for it, and maybe even die for it.

We can agree to disagree. I'll simply give thanks to those who have paid for and preserved our freedoms, especially the freedom to worship God. I pray for our men and women of courage serving our country every day, and my son is one of them.

To Pastor Roger - Brother, thank you sincerely for serving our country.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 23, 2004, 11:35:02 PM
Kerry said

Quote
If you mean dying American troops unilaterally going in with some false presumption that we can affect the outcome, the answer is unequivocally no."

You quoted

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Joh 15:13  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


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Tim,

Many paid with their lives for the freedoms you enjoy, including the freedom to worship God. Freedom is precious, and someone always pays for it. We will lose our freedoms if we ever have a shortage of courageous people who are willing to fight for it, and maybe even die for it.

We can agree to disagree. I'll simply give thanks to those who have paid for and preserved our freedoms, especially the freedom to worship God. I pray for our men and women of courage serving our country every day, and my son is one of them.

To Pastor Roger - Brother, thank you sincerely for serving our country.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Thank you, brother that means a lot to me and to the others that have served along side of me. Most of them do not hear it enough, especially those that served in Viet Nam. Thank you.



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Kalthzar on October 24, 2004, 08:01:30 AM
why did the the US originally get involved with vietnam? was it to help the south?.....i can't rem...


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Pastor Roger on October 24, 2004, 11:08:44 AM
why did the the US originally get involved with vietnam? was it to help the south?.....i can't rem...

The reason behind the Viet Nam war was to stop the spread of communism. There are others that will tell you differently but that was the real reason. The war was believed by many to be unnecessary as they did not believe in the "domino effect" of communism and said that Viet Nam was an insignificant country and would not benefit the U. S. in any sort of way. It failed because of political games by people such as John Kerry and the VVAW. In fact the North Viet Nam president said he was about to give up when he had a meeting with John Kerry in Paris. After talking with him he decided not to give up and used pictures and statements of John Kerry to push his people on.



Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Shammu on October 24, 2004, 11:15:17 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

Here's what gets me steamed:  It isn't JUST the Move-On-Dot-Orgers any longer, rather Kerry himself. Kerry knows quite well that the military draft legislation was a Democrat's work, but he is blaming President Bush just days before the election. The Social Security scare is also a complete lie that Kerry is pushing - days before the election. Kerry is desperate and willing to do anything to get elected. Bold and blunt lies are no problem at all for Kerry.

If one looks at all of the moral issues, candidate Kerry is a complete disgrace. In fact, the Democratic Platform is a complete disgrace. Same sex marriage and abortion are evil, so the lies from Kerry compliment the platform.

Love In Christ,
Tom
Amen!! brother, I agree with you. ;D


Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 24, 2004, 11:23:51 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

Here's what gets me steamed:  It isn't JUST the Move-On-Dot-Orgers any longer, rather Kerry himself. Kerry knows quite well that the military draft legislation was a Democrat's work, but he is blaming President Bush just days before the election. The Social Security scare is also a complete lie that Kerry is pushing - days before the election. Kerry is desperate and willing to do anything to get elected. Bold and blunt lies are no problem at all for Kerry.

If one looks at all of the moral issues, candidate Kerry is a complete disgrace. In fact, the Democratic Platform is a complete disgrace. Same sex marriage and abortion are evil, so the lies from Kerry compliment the platform.

Love In Christ,
Tom
Amen!! brother, I agree with you. ;D

Thats a first :)


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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Shammu on October 24, 2004, 11:34:52 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

Here's what gets me steamed:  It isn't JUST the Move-On-Dot-Orgers any longer, rather Kerry himself. Kerry knows quite well that the military draft legislation was a Democrat's work, but he is blaming President Bush just days before the election. The Social Security scare is also a complete lie that Kerry is pushing - days before the election. Kerry is desperate and willing to do anything to get elected. Bold and blunt lies are no problem at all for Kerry.

If one looks at all of the moral issues, candidate Kerry is a complete disgrace. In fact, the Democratic Platform is a complete disgrace. Same sex marriage and abortion are evil, so the lies from Kerry compliment the platform.

Love In Christ,
Tom
Amen!! brother, I agree with you. ;D

Thats a first :)


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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Kalthzar on October 24, 2004, 05:57:17 PM
right thanks. In Vietnam it was a civil war though was it not then?


Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on October 26, 2004, 07:48:18 PM
Does Bush ever stop trying to decieve the American people?





The Daily Mislead <latest@daily.misleader.org> wrote: ===============================
THE DAILY MIS-LEAD
< www.Misleader.org >
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BUSH MISLEADS ON INTELLIGENCE FUNDING

In a new campaign advertisement, President Bush accuses Sen. John Kerry, "after the first terrorist attack on America," of voting to "slash America's intelligence operations" with cuts "so deep they would have weakened America's defenses."[1] The accusations made in the ad are false and misleading.

First, the vote in question did not occur, as the ad suggests, after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. The vote took place in 1994, a year after a truck bomb went off in a parking garage beneath one of the World Trade Center towers.[2] For several years prior to 9/11, John Kerry supported increases in intelligence funding.[3]

Also, Kerry never supported "slashing" the intelligence budget. In 1994, as part of an effort to balance the budget, he supported a provision that would have cut the intelligence budget by $5 billion over five years.[4] This amounts to about a 3.7 percent reduction.

Moreover, the implication that Kerry's vote disqualifies him from being in charge of intelligence operations is disingenuous. Porter Goss - who Bush appointed to lead the Central Intelligence Agency - supported far more significant reductions in intelligence resources. In 1995, Goss sponsored a bill that would have cut the staff at the CIA by 20 percent over five years.[5]

Sources:

1. "Bush-Cheney '04 Launches New Television Advertisement, 'Wolves'," GeorgeWBush.com, 10/22/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=64662.
2. "Would Kerry Throw Us To The Wolves?," FactCheck.org, 10/23/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=64663.
3. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=64663.
4. Ibid., http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=64663.
5. "Goss Backed '95 Bill to Slash Intelligence," Washington Post, 08/24/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=64664.





Title: Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: Brother Love on October 29, 2004, 05:45:03 AM
VOTE BUSH 2004 ;D


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Title: Re:Bush, Do you want four more years?
Post by: ollie on November 03, 2004, 10:03:11 PM
God's will be done!