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Acts 15:16

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
KJV

Any one care to discuss David' tabernacle.

·   What is D T
·   Where was DT
·   What was it made of
·   What if any value to NT does it have
·   Was DT unique why or why not
·   What part if any did it play in David’s worship
·   Does/did  the Tof D have any OT value
·   Any thoughts or ideas ?
·   If so please show scripture back up

Howdy Reba,

Greetings. In response to your first two questions
Question 1: "What is D T"
My initial suggestion is that "the tabernacle of David" refers to the tabernacle or tent that David pitched to receive the ark.

Question 2: "Where was DT"
This was at Jerusalem.

2 Samuel 6:17 (KJV): "And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD."

Kind regards
Trevor

David's T. would be Solomon's Temple.

David 'desired' to build one; it was Solomon who actually did build it.

It's called David's 'cuz it was his idea.

It was destroyed in 586 B.C., by the Babylonians.

Rebuilt by Nehemiah.

Remodelled by Herod the Great in c. 10 B.C..

Destroyed agin by the Romans, in 70 A.D.

ANd  it's never been rebuilt since - yet...  


   ;D

Anything else ya need to know, from smarty pants Symphony?

    :)

Yes Symphony, when will it be rebuilt?? ;D ;)

2 Samuel 6:17 (KJV): "And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD."


This verse plainly places the 'ark' in the tabernacle of David doesn't it?

Howdy Reba,

Greetings again. I prepared the following for my own interest on this subject, mainly because of the various obscurities mentioned below. You may disagree with some of the following and there are other aspects to be considered.

Acts 15:14-17 (KJV): "14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."

This is part of James' summary at the end of the Jerusalem conference. There are a number of things that are obscure at first. One is the name "Simeon". Is this Simon Peter or Simeon who prophesied over the babe Jesus when he was presented in the Temple. This Simeon said that Jesus would be:
Luke 2:32 (KJV): "A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."
My preference is that James is referring to Simeon, not Simon Peter.

Also James is quoting Amos 9:11,12 concerning "the tabernacle of David" and the Gentiles upon whom God's name is called. Is James saying this is a direct and only fulfilment of this prophecy, or is this only an example, to show that there is no restriction for the Gentiles becoming part of God's name. My preference is that this is an example, a principle established, that the Gentiles will be saved by direct association with God's name.

Looking at "the tabernacle of David" in the context of Amos 9. This is also obscure, because it talks of the tabernacle as "fallen down", and also of the "breaches therof", presumably of its walls, and its "ruins". This language does not seem to be speaking of a tabernacle or tent, but of a building and walls made of stone.

We find that David pitched a tabernacle or a tent for the ark when he first brought it to Jerusalem.
2 Samuel 6:17 (KJV): "And they brought in the ark of the LORD, and set it in his place, in the midst of the tabernacle that David had pitched for it: and David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD."
It is significant that after the ark was recovered from the Philistines, there was no attempt to move the ark back into the Mosaic Tabernacle. The place of rest for the ark was destined to be Jerusalem Numbers 10:35,36, Psalm 132.

David then purposed in his heart to build a house, or a Temple for God's name and glory. God's response to this is given in:
2 Samuel 7:10-16 (KJV): "10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."
Notice also the echo of 2 Samuel 7:10 in Amos 9:15.

Although David was not allowed to build the Temple, he was told in v13 that his son would achieve this. This has a dual fulfilment, firstly in Solomon, and secondly in Jesus who will build both a spiritual household for David, consisting of believers and faithful followers, and also build a literal Temple at Jerusalem for the praise and worship of both Jews and Gentiles in the Age to Come. These promises to David are to be fulfilled when Christ returns to sit upon the throne of David in Jerusalem. The angel uses many of the phrases of this promise when speaking to Mary:
Luke 1:32-33 (KJV): "32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end."
At that time he will convert the remnant of the nation of Israel and build a Temple of worship for all nations, when all the nations will be blessed in Christ Genesis 12:3, Galatians 3:7-9, Isaiah 2:1-4.

Although David was not allowed to build the Temple, he prepared most of the material and encouraged Solomon and Israel in the work that was soon to commence 1 Chronicles 22. We often call it the Temple of Solomon, but in reality it was the Temple of David. We have a picture of the Temple of Solomon, and the Temple of the Age to Come, but by a beautiful poetical expression, Amos calls these "the tabernacle of David". This expresses David's heart, his purpose to establish a building for the glory and praise of God, so that Jews and Gentiles could join together in worship.

One psalm used by David in worship and praise to God is recorded in 1 Chronicles 16:7-36 and this Psalm is also recorded as Psalm 105:1-15, Psalm 96. David appointed Asaph as his chief musician, and in charge of the praise and music at this tabernacle 1 Chronicles 16:4-5,37. Also 1 Chronicles 16:34 and the sons of Asaph reappear in every revival of true Temple worship.

Two other Psalms sung before this tabernacle could well be Psalm 8 and Psalm 145. Psalm 8 comes most probably from the beginning of David's ministry, rejoicing in God's creation and celebrating the victory over Goliath. Also when Psalm 8 is considered from the NT allusions, the new creation comes into focus with the death, resurrection and exaltation of Jesus, his receiving dominion, the babes and sucklings who respond to his message and the ultimate filling of the earth with God's glory. Psalm 145 has been called "the beautiful tapestry", "the jewel in the crown" of all the Psalms. This most probably comes from towards the end of David's ministry. David himself could have sung vv1-3 of this Psalm, then the others would join the singing of this praise to God. God will build again the tabernacle of David that is fallen down.

Kind regards
Trevor

Trevort,

I will respond in  a short while... we are moving and a good responce will take more time than a 'one liner'. You have written much very nicely as you will see i am not a good writter but love the topic....

Symphony,

Please forgive what is going to sound rude i have written it and rewritten it but i cant ask and have the words not sound rude.  :P

Why when the scripture plainly says DT do you change it to be Solomons temple?


Hi DW  :)
 

Howdy Reba,

Greetings again. I thought that this could help in answering the question why the Temple of the future is called the Tabernacle of David.
 Isaiah 16:5 (KJV): "And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness."
Isaiah 33:20 (KJV): "Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken."

Also the language in the following speaks of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Temples as if they are one Temple, and also speaks of the spiritual fulfilment in Christ.
 Haggai 2:3,7 (KJV): "3 Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? and how do ye see it now? is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing? 7 And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts."
John 2:16-22 (KJV): "16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 17 And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up. 18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? 19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

Kind regards
Trevor

That's okay, Reba.  I'm used to being slapped around.   ;D

Anyway, DT is apparently a highly overrated reference to David's ambition that there be a house fo the Lord.

But, the one who originates the idea gets the credit, not the actual builder(Solomon).  

So, it's callled DT, not ST.

I think there's no more to it than that.

Hello Super Kid

Quote from Super Kid

Let me tell you a great secret! Scriptures tells us that we, Christians, are now the Jews of the bible who were God’s favorite and chosen people and the original Jews were cut off the branch.


That there is Replacement Theology and is not Scriptural no where do you find scriptures that the Church has replaced Israel. Some Christians may have Jewish Blood in them but God forbid for any believer in Christ mention that the Church has replaced Israel forever. This type of Anti Semitic thinking is mere blasphemy against God.

Remeber God made a Blood Covenant with Abraham and that Covenant has never been broken by God nor will it ever will. God has never mentioned in the Scriptures that because God divorced Israel that the Church has taken it's place if that was factual then there would not of been a Blood Sacrifice to take place as an Eternal Covenant.

Also the Jewish race have a spiritual desire to live in Israel there are thousands of Jews everyday making a Aliyah to Israel from all over the country. Scriptures never teach that the Christians will come from all over the world to live one day in Israel but only the Jewish Race. In the New Testament both Jew and Gentile are grafted into one branch which is Christ.

Remeber there were never any conditions the Jewish people had to meet Ezekiel 36:7-36

 For I will take you from among the nations gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own Land.
Ezekiel 36:8,10-12 22-24

Ezekiel 11:17 I will Gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been Scattered and I will give you back the land of Israel again.


Genesis 15:9 The Lord said to Abraham bring Me a heifer, a goat and a ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon. Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two down the middle and placed each piece opposite the other but he did not cut the brids in two. verse 17 And it came to pass when the sun went down and it was dark that behold there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.  On the same day the Lord made a covenant saying: To your descendants I have given this land from the river of Egypt to the great river the River Euphrates the KEnites,  the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, the Perizzites the Rephaim, the Amorites the Canaanites the Girgagotcha2es, and the Jebusites.

Jeremiah 33:7-8 and Ezekiel 36:24-25 I will take you from among the nations gather you out of all countries and bring you into your own land. (Then) I will sprinkle clean water on you and you shall be clean.

The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable Romans 11:29
 God cannot revoke those gifts and callings He gave to the Jewish people.

Genesis 26:4  And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven I will give to your descendants all these lands and in your seed (ISAAC) all the nations of the earth shall be blessed because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.

Ezekiel 36:9 talks about the Blessings on Israel and the Renewal of Israel.

Promises of Israel are found in Ezekiel 36:8-12

Super Kid you really need to read the scriptures again if that is what you think really happened about the Church replacing Israel... i am saying this out of godly love that you need to abandon that teaching since it is Heresy.

Michael

super kid,

This is false teaching, blunt and simple. Where are you cutting and pasting your material from, and who is the author?

God is most certainly not through with Israel. To suggest this would be a total ignorance of the Old Testament and the New Testament. Israel will indeed be center stage for the entire world when Bible prophesies are fulfilled, and the Bible prophesies WILL BE fulfilled. God also made promises to Israel and those promises WILL BE most definitely fulfilled.

Go back and state the source and author for all of your posts.

Moderator

I would have injoyed a talk with 'super kid'.....