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wake up people of course they can scare you with threats about what happens to you when you die because you have no way of proving them wrong.. so how do they know. because a book they FOUND said so! give me a break...
please open your minds to tolerance and stop preaxhing and start living!

"-that which is known about God is evident within them;for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks;but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures."(Romans 1:18-23)

I'm not scared in the least, but it sounds like you are terrified my friend, and angry.
Also, the "Book" was never lost, so how could it have been "found" and who is "they"?
As far as tolerance goes, it appears that you have little or no tolerance for Christians.

Quote from Freedom_Writer today at 2:56:17am:

 
 
Christianity is not real? Then why is it real? Wake up? I'm already awake.

Who says we're scared by threats? If you believe in God, obey His commandments, love others, and repent for your sins, you won't have to be scared of "threats".

Who's they?

Now be careful with that argument. I can easily say "life evolves. But how do "they" know? Because the "Origin of Species" By Charles Darwin says so".

Open my mind to tolerance? What is that supposed to mean?

And what is preaxhing? Is that actually a word? Or do you
mean "preaching"?

Now, who says I'm not living? I live like a normal person. I do
what a normal person does. I go outside. I eat. I sleep. I
enjoy things...many things for that matter. I like to star-gaze.
I like Astronomy. I like playing basketball and football. I have
friends. I'm living. However, I want to give at least a small
portion of my time concentrating on studying scripture and
praying to God.

I hope God guides you to Him.

God bless.
 
 
 
 

i would also like to point out that Christianity never has been and never will be in any way, shape or form a "blind leap" of faith as some think. the Chistian faith is rooted in historical facts and real evidence. however, all the evidence in the universe will not convince someone who does not want to beleive. even if i were to demostrate that the Christian faith is real and that the ressurection of Christ is a historical fact, you would still have to decide weather you are going to open your eyes to the truth or continue rejecting God. ultimately it is a decision. when people reject Christ, it is not that they "cant" beleive, it is that they "wont" beleive.

That's pretty much it. It's not that people can't believe in
God, it's that they won't believe in God. However, it's entirely
that person's decision if they want to believe or not. We're
just here to spread God's Word, and to help people realize
the truth ( but the Bible and God do most of it.)

freedom_writer.
would you happen to be an agnostic, atheist, or maybe new age? if you don't believe in GOD, that's your right. please don't condemn us if we don't care to follow your way of thinking. if you're referring to our pastors scaring us with threats; i don't think so. i know what is going to happen to me when i die....DO YOU?

BDoggy,

Look, you are entitled to believe in what you believe, but
please don't say belief in Christianity is not a matter of faith because it is.

How do you know the bible is in reality the word of God? Faith.

How do you know the bible is just not some interesting fairytales some people decided to make up? Faith.

I'm not saying, don't believe it if you choose to. Just don't tell people it is not based on faith, that's all. Ok.

Regards

questions

Amen

Brother Love :)

Thanks bro. ;D

questions-WOW!! you totally missed what i said. show me where i made the statement that beleiving in Christ is not a matter of faith. ??? ya know, i'm trying to be polite, but i REALLY do not appreciate it when people put words into my mouth! >:( all i said was that beleif in Christ is not a 'blind' faith. it is supported by evidence. and yes, when someone rejects or accepts Christ, it is a choice. i never once said that faith is not involved! faith itself is a choice.

BDoggy,

"i would also like to point out that Christianity never has been and never will be in any way, shape or form a "blind leap" of faith as some think. the Chistian faith is rooted in historical facts and real evidence."

You never said faith was a part of it. You said it was not a leap of blind faith, and that the Christian faith is rooted in historical facts and real evidence.

 Without faith, whatever historical facts and real evidence you are referring to, is meaningless. Faith is the key root of the Christian religion, and by not mentioning it you gave the impression that "faith" either is not an ingredient or is not an important part, and therefore not worth mentioning. The fact that you said it is not a blind leap of faith, does not automatically suggest you are saying faith is involved. That is why I said what I did.

Regards,

questions

No Bro Thank You

Brother Love :)

questions-once again, where did i make the statement that faith in Christ is not a matter of faith? furthermore, how does me saying that the Christian faith is supported by evidence imply that it is not a matter of faith?? i stand by my words. Christianity is not, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be a 'blind' faith. why do you think that evidence and faith are in opposition to one another? or am i misunderstanding what you're saying? i am beginning to think that you and i have a completely different defenition of the word 'faith'. so, let me ask you; what do you think faith is??

Your intolerance is showing, as is your preachiness.

It all boils down to your post being hypocritical. You are asking Christians to do things that you do not do as your post is witness.
 

Hi BDoggy,

"why do you think that evidence and faith are in opposition to one another?"

Evidence can be factually proven whereas something believed because of faith cannot. There is no way to prove by evidence the bible is the word of God. One has to believe that by faith. There is no way to believe Jesus is God other than through faith.

"what do you think faith is?? "

Faith is a belief not based on physical or real evidence.

"i stand by my words."

I don't have a problem with that other than slightly knit picking about the difference betwen faith and blind faith. But I am not a knit picker, so will leave it go. Some would make the argument Christianity is blind faith, whereas others leave it go at faith. The key is, and you agree, faith is involved.

Regards,

questions

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths."  II Timothy 4:3,4

questions-i will agree that christianity can not be absolutely proven, but there is a great deal of strong evidence in favor of it. and yes, as i've said before, all the evidence in the world will not convince someone who really doesn't want to beleive. but, many people have made the decision to put their faith in Christ, because of the overwhelming evidence to support it. Hank Hanegraaff, the president of the Christian Research Institute, used to be a huge skeptic of the christian faith. after closely examining all of the scientific evidence for creation, and the historical evidence for the resurrection of Christ & the inspiration of Scripture, he then made the decision to become a christian. the point that i'm trying to get across is that christianity is not a blind leap into the dark, it is a step into the light. nobody, after becoming a christian has to 'turn off' there intellect. i challenge you; instead of asking what is 'possible', ask yourself what is 'probable'. then, with an open mind, examine for yourself the scientific evidence for creation, & the historical evidence for the christian faith. if you do this with an open mind, you will see that while other theories may be technically 'possible', the existence of God, the resurrection of Christ, & the divine inspiration of Scripture is the only 'probable' explanation.

"the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God" 1Cor.1:18  ;D
A fool has said in his heart, "there is no God." Are you a fool?

bluelake

bluelake-what in the world are you talking about?? and for that matter, who in the world are you talking to?? ??? i'm familiar with the verses you quoted, but what point are you trying to make with them?????

Freedom_writer you say that Christianity is not real?  For your sake you better be 100% right because you know what, when you die you can not come before the Lord, fall on your face and ask for another chance.  This is your only chance while you are living, when you die it will be to late.  Believeing in God is like air.  You know that air exists.  How can you prove that.  And without air you would die, same as if Jesus didn't die on the cross for us.  We would be dead.  Being a Christian is about faith and once you are done with that task great is the reward!!!!!!!


Kris

It seems our friend freedom writer has not responded to our
posts. He posted the one time, but he hasn't responded to
any of the replies. Either he was trying to start up trouble, or
he is just being misguided.

2 Timothy 2:16

"But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase
unto more ungodliness."

This is referring to freedom_Writer. ;D

Christianity is NOT real!
You may be right. But what are you going to do with Jesus?

John 14
6 Jesus said to him, I am the way and the reality and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.

asaph

 

Hey bro!

What Bible did that quote come from? ;D

God bless you bro.

Kris777 your response is a bit comical considering....

You seem to be trying to "scare him with threats about what happens when you die".

And by the way you CAN prove air exists....

Seven Tides,
It's from the Recovery Version. Living Stream Ministries is the publisher. You can find it online at:
http://online.recoveryversion.org/index2.asp

The Lord Bless you Too!

asaph

Actually, when we become Christians and believe in God something in us changes, we can feel His presence we have plenty evidence! (at least most of us feel that way) Also same thing with evolution it's just a guys theory just like a book. But evolution has no evidence. And the Bible; God does. God has plenty of evidence!

krazeekkc-yes, i can realate to what you're saying, as i'm sure most believers can. there have certainly been times when i have 'felt' the presence of God. but, i think it is dangerous to trust in our feelings. feelings are just so unreliable; they come & go, and we really have no control over them whatsoever. one minute we feel a certain way, and the next minute we can feel totally different. i mean, i don't need to 'feel' God's presence in order to know He is there. i know He is in my life, because He has told me so in His word, so even though sometimes, i may not feel His presence at all, i still know that He is there. our faith should never be in feelings. there's nothing wrong with emotions as God created us with them, but our faith should be in God's word, not our feelings.

Yes, I'll have to agree with you both Krazeekkc and BDoggy.

I know God is around, but I also feel His presence.  He seems
to be always guiding me to the right path.

Anyways, nice posts.

Um....I think Freedom_Writer is long gone...


He only posted his initial post.

If Christianity is unreal, how do you explain people like Mother Teresa?  Were she and her deeds all illusions, too?  ;D

Remember that she said she was motivated by love for Jesus.

Actually, there IS evidence for microevolution - that is, change within a species over time - but there is not evidence for macroevolution -one species becoming another.

  Freedom Writer: If God wants to change your mind about that, He will.

i don't see why you can call this person a hypocrite after just one post.

i myself was a christian until i reached the age of reason, yet i have tolerance for my fellow man even if he does mingle with the plethora of egocentric mythologies floating around the world today.

some people "love" the sinner, hate the sin.

i find myself liking and loving others, yet showing my disdain for their primitive short-sighted beliefs.

it's the same mentality, yet i would gamble to say i am more tolerant than many christians say they are.

i guess i'll just address the original topic before the poster's integrity was challenged.

i think that christianity is no different than any other wrong belief. it can be inspired by the same sources as any other completely wrong idea. a child can be taught christianity is true just as a child can be taught the earth does not move, both might be sensible at the time, show no immediate signs of error. no matter when or how a belief is set on someone, connections are made. and when one build's their logic around any simple statement (the earth does not move. there is a god.) it's hard to get back to the original idea without sifting through the piles of other ideas brought forth by it. which brings me to a important lesson when dealing with ANYTHING:

if you start from a wrong point, no matter how smoothly or logically you advance, you'll never make it back to the road of truth.

so when dealing with the unmoving earth, anybody who built upon the idea got a shock when the truth emerged, but as you can see, most of us are over it.

christianity won't gloss over quite as easily, this concept has had millenia of compiling on a wrong starting point, and, need i mention, it's a concept people may live their entire lives by. if the unmoving earth is a two story house, christianity is a skyscraper in terms of how much logical, social and emotional stock is put into it. if there was a way to entirely disprove the thing, and there isn't: there isn't a way to entirely prove or disprove anything, i'm pretty sure many christians will be sent to a psych-ward, i wouldn't be surprised if there were suicides either, not just christianity, ANY religion or high held belief.

i was a christian before i reached the age of reason, it wasn't that old of an age, some things i thought about blew my mind on many subjects. some people can become atheists, some can't. i was never a fundamentalist kind of guy, my skyscraper wasn't too big. i destroyed my foundation and it didn't leave too much of a mess. i couldn't imagine the turmoil a priest would have to go through though, so i don't blame people too much for being wrong. i only blame people for not doing what is right. i'm not interested in if you believe in the tooth fairy, i'm only interested with what you do with the money on your pillow.