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What if terrorists gets hold of a nuclear bomb and set it off in the US strong enough to wipe out 5 states? What if there is also another one setting off in Europe and Japan? Everyone caught by surprise just like 9/11? Remember, these terrorists are very determined. Nothing will stop them.

What will happen to the world economy since everything is pegged to the US$? The World's money will become useless stack of paper. What will happen to the world security? Without security, violence will increase.

Who is strong enough to control the whole world? I'm afraid the one who holds the oil is the one who will dominate the world. This is a very scarry thought. Imagine, if you don't want to convert to their religion, they will behead you. If you don't want to convert, you can neither buy nor sell, you'll go hungry. Without oil, the world's economy will crash in a wide scale as everything relies on Oil.

They will control by fear so much so that fear overcomes everyone that they will betray one another and the love of many will become cold. The one will betray you will be in your household.

Will one Christian, a true worshipper of our Lord Jesus Christ, succumb to these fears and worship their religion? Are you willing to die for Jesus Christ?

Yes I am willing to die for Jesus. I will go while praising his name.

What about those who has a family? Since these people are so merciless or heartless, do you think they will spare your wife or even your kids if they also refuse to be converted? Will one be willing to see their love ones being subjected to that?

Can a true worshipper really endure that to the end?

My wife is dead, my kids are grown adults. Yes my kids would miss me but, they know who I would be with, Jesus Christ.

Yes a true worshipper really can, endure that to the bitter end.

Seeing innocent people being beheaded by terrorists can really have a pyschological effect. It's rather disturbing. Imagine the day where people getting slaughtered to death if they refuse to be converted or marked. And we know everyone who is against Jesus Christ is an Anti-Christ.

I wonder what the Bible means, "Woe to those who are nursing babies" and "those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains" and when you see Jerusalem sorrounded by armies, know that it's desolation is near.

Who hates the Jew more than any other people here on Earth?
If the USA loses it's power and economy, who will defend Israel?
No one. Everyone will be afraid.

Imagine this, Oil + Nukes + Muslim radicals = World domination plus extreme fear. Who is able to stand?

Where's Elijah?

 Hi LowFlatRate, when you mentioned about the Anti Christ i heard few weeks ago that the Anti Christ would probably be Muslim and i believe that it is a possibility that he may be working in the EU or UN as we speak on here and live our lives everyday. Probably a Eurpean Muslim so it would make sense since the Arabs are the only people on earth who behead people because people will not bow down to Allah a moon god. I agree though this will be the ultimate test if we are taken away from our families or all of us will be executed in front of our families or whatever the case maybe we must stand firm and i believe Paul says whoever stands firm unto the very end will receive the Crown Of Life. Even though i do not want to die anytime soon i am willing to die for our Messiah and i am also willing to protect Israel like i have heard before instead of us dying on israel soil our enemies should die on isral soil in protecting the jewish people and the land God has given them.

 You Quoted LowFlatRate :I wonder what the Bible means, "Woe to those who are nursing babies" and "those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains" and when you see Jerusalem sorrounded by armies, know that it's desolation is near.
 
Read what i wrote called PROPHECIES OF THE END TIME CONNECTION i need to update it.... its under PROPHECY  CURRENT EVENTS... it may help you understand what you quoted.

Michael

 Like the song by Rebecca ST. JAMES..... I BELIEVE IN GOD

  Yes I believe in God This I will say to you Mean it death or mean it life Oh i believe in God For I have found the way and i am not ashmaed I believe in God.

So through the fire I'll be refined and if that fire were to take this life I'll be with Him forever I will be with Him forever.

Jesus Christ shall stand for all, Jews and Christians. Woe to those who stand against Jesus. For surley they shall meet their doom.  The goats will be tossed into the Lake of Fire at the "Great White Judgement."

You forget.  That battles already won.  Jesus won it on the cross.  God knows it.  God's children know it.  Satan knows it.  The demons know it.  Maybe someone should tell the Muslims?   ;)

BTW, Welcome to the forum!

In answer to some questions asked by the author of this thread:

1 Corinthians 10:13.  "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

In the Spirit of Christ's love,

Welcome to that author "lowflatrate".
ollie

Hello! Yes, most probably. But, I was also thinking, the Jews does not believe in Jesus Christ either. And so does the Hindus, the buddhist, and people of other faiths. They have the spirit of the anti-christ. They do not believe He was the word, and the word was with God and the Word was God and He became flesh and dwelt among us. I think there will be a unification of the world's religion by a super power religion headed by a man whose name numbers 666. I think this is where the two witnesses will go in to spread the gospel of the Kingdom of God and to warn them of their idol worshipping and sorceries and just like Moses and Elijah, they brought devastating supernatural plagues and calamity to those who did not repent. If anyone tries to harm them through any means, the 2 witnesses shall burn them with fire coming from their mouths. Just imagine, what if the enemies will kill them with tanks and missiles? These 2 humans will seem to look like superman because they have power to destroy those military mights. Only the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit can kill them.

I'll read your Prophecies of the End time connection to get a better grasp of things to come.



Woohoo! AMEN to that! Praise God! Glory to his name! Thanks!
Guess I'm a worry freak. With events happening today, I can't help it sometimes. Hehehe...

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  Well actually, the situation isn't nearly so grim.  Our dependency on foreign oil is linked to the fledgling status of our current technology (very fledgling if you know what we are capable of).  If you want to stop such things, then push for support of research in things like fuel cells and hydrogen / organic fuel.  Since hydrogen is cleaner and easily within our grasp, I would suggest pushing for that.  With a total conversion to hydrogen we could halt the need for foreign oil almost immediately, since we actually produce quite a bit ourselves (remember, we used to be the biggest oil exporter in the world).  That would destroy the strangle hold the middle east has on the world economy (and especially ours).

   Just as well, if (for some reason) the U.S. collapsed, the world would not end, in fact there are quite a few fail safes.  You would see poverty, yes. And most likely the mass surplus of stored goods would be sold at pre- WWI prices, thus inflation resets itself.  But I can assure you, the world would not collapse.

  To address the nuclear bomb issue.  I am not sure which bomb in existance could destroy five full states (that is a lot of area).  But I can honestly say that I have never feared of a nuclear attack on the US, especially from middle eastern terrorists.  Sure, I know they are radicals and who knows what they would do.  But they also probably know that the moment a nuclear blast is set off on US soil, then they will lose everything.  The death of say New York (10 million people I think), we assure that all countries in the middle east would become a wasteland, not even a bunker would save them, their war would be a failure.  Remember, even "disarmed", we have enough nuclear ordance ourselves to scorch every scrap of land on the planet twice over.
So I have never feared a reprissal in that way, it's the small attacks (9/11 style) that you have to watch for.  Nuclear weapons are just for threatening people.

  And finally, I just wanted to clarify some things on the Muslim religion.  For one, the radicals are a small (but growing, because of the war) group.  They are lead mostly by young clerics, and are denounced by the actual Muslim leaders and scholars.  In fact beheading innocents is strictly forbidden, because God decreed something along the lines of "Attack no person without a weapon, attack no farmer, or child (I'm paraphrasing here), etc.."   It then goes on to say that prisoners should not be harmed and should be released when it is safe to release them.  In fact a huge controversy over there at the moment is that the beheadings are against the will of God, and that the young radicals are trying to misinterpret the quote by using an old radical translation of it.  As a final note, in case some people thought otherwise , Muslims do believe in Jesus it's just to them his role is somewhat different then it is in Christianity.

Texas has signed a 2 year contract with Israel to start getting oil from them. The Israelites have recently discovered endless amount of oil discovered near the dead sea. Thing is we will always be dependent on oil no matter where it comes from either from Texas or Washington state or Canada or Russia or Alaska or Israel.

When you say beheading is forbidden are you claiming that for Islam or Christanity? Because the Ko'ran does teach to kill any Jew or Gentile that are believers in Christ and not to be friends with them. Really i dont see why the others are against the young radicals since the Koran teaches to kill everyone. They will never be able to seperate the truth of what Muhammed taught about killing innocent people because they will not submit to an ugly religion like islam. The way i see it if the other islamics deny the young radicals then the older islamics are in contradiction of what the young radicals are doing since they are only going by what Muhammed taught them.

Yes they do believe in the muslim Jesus (ISIS) but in there view Jesus is only a prophet and will be under the rule of Allah the moon god. They do deny Jesus Atonement on the Cross.


Michael

  First off, yes I agree oil is here to stay (for a good while), but how much and who produces it is the issue.  If we can be self sufficient in oil production, by using alternative fuel methods, then we can immediately save money and lose the dependencies.

  Secondly, where in the world do you get your information on Islam?  First off in Islam, yes, they believe in Jesus, he is a prophet, he died (but not by crucifixion according to them) and was raised up by God (Allah). He was without sin because he was a prophet, and his death for atonement was not required, because in Islam they believe that we are born without sin.  And that we gather it through life and must atone for it.  Just as well, they are NOT told to kill Christians on sight (I don't know who made this one up), and beheading of an innocent (meaning a non-combatant) is forbidden.  Also, Islam is about peace and being responsible for one's actions (meaning not killing people, and doing God's work).  It is also strictly forbidden to try and force someone to convert to Islam (the convert must come willingly).  

   The atrocities we see are just that, atrocities.  It is not supported by the bulk of the Islamic community.  You just have to consider the fact that, this is a people who got left behind a long long time ago, they used to be the central hub of the world until the Renaissance hit and moved everything to eastern Europe.  They have been the center of endless fighting for decades.  The people are probably stretched to the limit.  With every side of the world tugging at them, and with radicals (most of which are very young) going off on these tangents of declaring Jihad for retribution.  They just need to be calmed down and set into the modern age.

  Look up the UAE (United Arab Emirates) on google, it's a capitalistic arabic state ,7 actually, very successful and is a major launching place for corporations, it is also the number 1 place suggested to visit in the Middle East, most likely due to its safety for foreigners and its tourist industry
 

 I, have to disagree with you and dont believe the lie that Islam is about peace that is so much of a lie that everyone has bought into. If it was about peace then they would not be killing jews and people of the west and even there own people. They killed Nick Berg because he was Jewish and etc....It is not strictly forbidden to kill any jew or gentile from the west or any other country they consider people from the USA Infidels and your saying it's about peace they want to see the destruction of the USA and Israel that does not tell me it's a peaceful religion.

You can look througout alot of passages in the Koran such as Surah 3:157 And if you are slain or die in the way of Allah forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.

Surah 8:65 O Prophet urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty patient men among you you shall over come two hundred and if there are a hundred they shall overcome a thousand unbelievers for they are a nation who do not understand.

even Allah forces worship in Surah 2:193 Fight against them until there is no dissension and the religion is for Allah.

Surah 9:29 Fight those who neither believe in Allah nor the Last DAy who do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, and do not embrace the religion of the truth being amond those who have bene given the Book Bible and the Torah until they pay tribute out of hand and have been humiliated.

Hadith 4.52.311 Narrated IBN' Abbas: "The Prophet said on the day of the Conquest of MEcca There is no migration after the Conquest but Jihad and good intentions and when you are called for Jihad you should immediately respond to the call.

Jews and Gentiles are considered pagans to the Muslim world.

Surah 9:5 Muslims are taught by the Qur'an and Allah's messenger to "fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them"

I dont disagree that they have coroprations and bussiness but i will tell you this in order for them to take over a nation is first to over populate and then evangelism then killings by force if a person does not turn over to there ways of islam.

none of islam is peaceful or else there would be no killings but i want to clear this up i dont believe every muslim is a terriost but i do believe they know what they are doing when they come into a country not there own and soon to over take it by coporations so they can slowly soon take that country over to make it into an islamic country that there is domination. Just look at DeerBorne Michigan. (I think is spelled deerborne incorrectly. Michigan is you can say a dominated State in the US by Muslims.

I just disagree with what you said where you probably got your info at Google. The Muslims are not our friends as they have most of people in the USA to believe.

Michael

  I'm not going to go into the details behind the fight between the jewish people and the muslims.  I'd probably get the names or story mixed up, I just know that it mainly has to do with a major disagreement between who's prophet did what.

  Concerning your quotes from the Qu'ran , they are being posted way out of context:

Surah 3:157 And if you are slain or die in the way of Allah forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.
     -  This is taken out of context, because the clerics who denounce radical Islam say that the suicide bombings are just that, suicide.  And it is not the will of Allah for it to be so.  So to them these men are not being rewarded, especially since they kill innocenets and Muslims alike.  Again you assume that radical Islam, and their twisting of the meanings of the Qu'ran, is the only form of Islam.

Surah 2:193 Fight against them until there is no dissension and the religion is for Allah.
     - This one you merely shortened to suit your needs, here is the actual translations (multiple versions).

Yusuf Ali: (<----- translator)
   And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.

Zohurul Hoque:
   And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is only for Allah. But if    they desist, then let there be no hostilities except against the unjust.

T. J. Irving:
   Fight them until there is no more subversion and [all] religion belongs to God. If    they stop, let there be no [more] hostility except toward wrongdoers.

T.U. Hilali-M. Khan:
   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others    along with Allâh) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allâh (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zâlimûn (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

M. Pickthall:
   And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they    desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.

M.H. Shakir:
   And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

    - So as you can see, not in the actual context of its meaning.  Christians are not polytheists (thus not pagans), and you are not oppressing them, so you are not an enemy (they just consider you in the wrong on your choice of worship).  Radical Islam, however, is claiming that we are oppressing them, and that our religion is as well, so we are the enemy.  Two big differences here.

    I won't go into all the quotes, since it would make this post take forever.  Needless to say, there is a difference between the radicals and the followers of true Islam.  The followers of true Islam want peace (admitted in numerous interviews), and even accept that they have to stop fighting and live with the Jewish people in peace.  Radicals (on both sides) believe the world will be a better place without the others, so they twist the teachings of the Qu'ran to justify their actions, and are denounced for it.  Unfortunately the young are easily swayed into believing that violence is the only way, and that is the true struggle they are having over there.  To the true followers, just as Christians view it with Jesus, their is no need to fight (as long as no one oppresses them), because they have already won the war.  They believe in Allah, and will be saved by that on judgement day.  The true followers of Islam don't hate others for their beliefs, they feel sorry for them.

   Finally, the reason I pointed you towards the UAE, is because I was proving a point.  Showing that the middle east isn't some cess pool and it just needs to develop and catch up with the 21st century.  The UAE is a for a democratic republic, women have tons of rights that they lack in other middle eastern countries (70% of the internet / computer tech workforce is women there).  They are very acceptant of other people and religions, and still practice their religion to the fullest.  It is the UAE's goal to prove to the world that the middle east can be peaceful and prosperous.  And by doing so they hope to show other middle eastern countries what can be obtained.  They consider America's goals and system of government as a excellent model (1 of only 2 countries in all of the middle east that thinks this; the rest have their views skewed by radicals and propaganda).  In fact, they model a lot of their government and economic organizations to the American model.  Hardly a people out to kill us I would say.

The muslem religion is antichrist therefore those who follow the Kuran are antichrist. That said   quotes  plucked from here and there do not always reflect the whole.

Gen 22:10

10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
KJV

1 Sam 15:3

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
KJV

2 Kings 10:25

25 And it came to pass, as soon as he had made an end of offering the burnt offering, that Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, and slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal.
KJV

Num 31:17

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
KJV


Ex 22:24

24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
KJV

Deut 32:41-42

41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
KJV

Heb 4:12

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV

As Christians we know God as THEE God of peace. The above scriptures are taken out of context.

 *sigh*... And as Muslims they KNOW that Allah is THE God (and is a god a peace).  Vicious cycle isn't it?  Well I cede in this argument, good luck with the whole hating others thing, it really is a much better method than trying to promote peace among the masses.

 I got all the quotes from the Quran from the book called Unveiling Islam by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner they are both EX Sunni Muslims and are believers in Christ.

    I got my quotes from direct translations of the Qu'ran.  I do not doubt the validity of the quotes you have.  However, I don't know how reliable an opinion you can get from someone who converted to a different religion, and then writes a book on their former one.  Obviously they had a problem with the religion, or with the religious leader, so I don't know if their book would give an unbiased look into its workings.  The same goes with any books of that nature.  I know people who have converted from Christianity to Buddhism, and I will tell you, Christianity is not a favorite subject of theirs (some bad experiences).  And even though I am not a Christian, I know that if they wrote a book on Christianity, it would probably gloss over a lot of the good the religion preaches, and just focus on what they consider is wrong with it.  

You missed my point.... .  I was hoping to  point out the bad  mechanics of qouting out of context

You need to explore the word "hate" and know what "hate" is amd how to properly use the word before using it as a judgement on others.

 I am quite aware of the definition of the word hate.  My point is that my posts were to merely show that the majority of Islamics are by far a blood thirsty, crazed people.  I am not Islamic, I am not trying to convert anyone to Islam, I am just trying to show another point of view.  All I am really saying is judge them when you meet them.  But when all the posts are full of flat out denial of this suggestion, well it begins to get me to thinking.  I am not Christian, but it is my understanding that Christianity is meant to spread the word of peace and redemption.  I assumed that redemption also came with understanding.  To call a whole people 'evil' is silly, and shows a lack of understanding.  That kind of close mindedness forms the epitome of hate.  Because it is hate without purpose, it is hate without understanding.
   
   No one can freely assume that a whole people is evil.  I mean comeon, statistically 15-20% of the population of the US has a form of sociopathic tendancies.  Now, since that statistic encompasses the population as a whole, we can also assume that a portion of Christians are included in that.  Thus, by the logic I see posted here, I can assume that all Christians are sociopaths because a percentage of them are.  It is the same in Islam, a percentage (less than 20%) is for radical islam, and a portion of that freely commit violence in name of that cause.  Thus, I assume they are all crazy killers.  Does this make sense?

Hello Xith, welcome to CU.


From a biblical perspective, all men are considered evil.  Man is incapable of producing anything good or holy on his own accord.  This is basically the fallen state that all men are in.  When one puts his trust in Christ, God no longer views the man, but His son living in the man by faith.   We christians still struggle with out flesh and will continue to do so until we die.    So there is no predjudice.  We are all fallen.  The only difference between true Christians and non Christians is....Christians are forgiven, and walk after the spiritual life of Christ within us.

So yes, from a biblical standpoint, the whole of all people are evil and in need of a righteous God to lead those who are willing to follow Him into spiritual rebirth, whereby HIS righteousness and holiness can bring forth the good that God is able to do through us.

Grace and Peace!

 

AMEN TIMMY