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What is your sect or cult or denomination or whatever you call it, of Christianity? I am curious due to what you said in your announcement that the Catholic vs Protestant war is over. What is this thing about Grace?

-SS

SS,

I belong to a church not made with human hands, the Church which is the BODY OF CHRIST. I doubt you will understand that, and I'm sure that this will give you something else to have fun with. I also attend a brick and mortar church building that has only an address for a name.

GRACE is unmerited and undeserved favor from God. The ultimate example of God's GRACE is the GIFT of Jesus Christ who died on the CROSS for you and me. Jesus Christ can fill your emptiness and rescue you from your life of sin and ultimate condemnation. You won't just physically die in your sins some day. Physical death is not the end. I realize you will also have fun with this.

I regret that I have given you have the impression that my only goal in coming to this forum is to troll, belittle or make a mockery of Christianity.  :'(

It was not and is not my intent and I asked my question of you with genuine interest. I understand that you have had to deal with many who come here only to cause trouble but in all honesty, you shouldn't treat anyone who isn't a devout follower of christ with such contempt. It doesn't serve your position well to turn away people who are undecided.

If you could, please tell me more of your beliefs and about your religion without all the preaching.

-SS  :)

Not to butt in here however, I'm going to  ;)

I understand now. I understand there is a being/entity out there which created everything. But, it's not the Christian God or Allah or Buddha... Why are there so many different beliefs around the world? Because everyone is Not wrong and One single belief is not right. We are all right!...as long as we acknowledge there is a higher power at work. The God that is out there wants us to believe and also be comfortable with the path we choose to recognize God. None of us need a specific book or worldly figure telling us what to do when it comes to God.

Over analyzing and disecting one belief won't give you the answer. Call me crazy but, who really knows the true answer?

My 2 Canadian cents, (0.0155107 USD)

Ok my 2 cents worth to you, anduril.
Islam was created by Muhommah(sp) who took what he wanted from the Bible and made his own belief system. Budda was just a man, who though he was liteing his followers. Budda has more in common being at peace with yourself.
There is only one God, And that being is 3 entities, God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion... over all the earth.
Galatians 2:20 It is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
John 14:20,23 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. ...If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him.
Romans 6:11 So also you, reckon yourselves to be dead to sin, but living to God in Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
Hebrews 1:1 God, having spoken of old in many portions and in many ways to the fathers in the prophets.
2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever borne by the will of man, but men spoke from God while being borne by the Holy Spirit.

Now I have a question for you, anduril. What prophecies did Mohommuh or Budda ever give?

I can answer that easy with out searching google.

None, nada, nothing.
Go in peace with God.

For SS and Anduril,

A host of witnesses saw Jesus Christ walk this earth. They watched an untold number of miracles and wonders. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are all ONE - ALMIGHTY GOD. There are mountains of documents and writings, other than the Holy Bible, that record this TRUTH. In fact, our time is set by HIM (B.C., A.D.). Hosts saw Jesus Christ crucified, and many were witness to HIM walking again after HE arose from the dead.

There are thousands of Christian web sites that proclaim the Gospel of God's Grace. There is only ONE GOD - ALMIGHTY GOD - THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. The Holy Bible is HIS WORD.

Tom

For heavens sake DW, DO NOT quote Genesis or I might have an anurism. Either that or get banned for... oh I can't... ok so the bible timeline from genesis puts the creation of man at roughly 6000 years ago the problem being that we have fossil records of humans well over 100,000 years old and then of course we have to ask in whos image was Neanderthal man created and how come that species of human is now extinct after surviving in Europe for over 250,000 years.

So please, for my sake DO NOT quote Genesis!

-SS

"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
-Albert Einstein

Now I have to quote Genesis to make my point.

Genesis 1:21 And God created the great whales, and every living and moving creature, which the waters brought forth, according to their kinds, and every winged fowl according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:26-29 And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth.    And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.    28 And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth. 29 And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
Genesis 9:19These three are the sons of Noe: and from these was all mankind spread over the whole earth.
Genesis 10:5 By these were divided the islands of the Gentiles in their lands, every one according to his tongue and their families in their nations. ;D That is us Christians, and non-believers.

Have you ever heard of these?

1.  Heidelberg Man - Built from a jaw bone that was conceded by many to be quite human.
2.  Nebraska Man - Scientifically built up from one tooth and later found to be the tooth of an extinct pig.
3.  Piltdown Man - The jawbone turned out to belong to a modern ape.
4.  Peking Man - 500,000 years old. All evidence has disappeared.
5.  Neanderthal Man - At the Int'l Congress of Zoology (1958) Dr. A. J. E. Cave Said his examination showed that the famous Neanderthal skeleton found in France over 50 years ago is that of an old man who suffered from arthritis.
6.  Cro-Magnon Man - One of the earliest and best established fossils is at least equal in physique and brain capacity to modern man...so what's the difference?
7.  Modern Man - This genius thinks we came from a monkey.

This should make you happy, no Genesis this time.
Romans 1:22, 23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; 23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts and of creeping things.

Amen Blackeyedpeas, you get "TWO" thumbs UP

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The Bible was written and recorded in a tiny corner of the Earth. Mean while, around the globe at the very same time were other thriving cultures with many different belief systems. The Christian belief system came from that small area I do not deny that. However, Christianity is not the only belief system that is correct.

If Christianity is the only way then Billions of other people are going to Hell...can't you see how rediculous this is? In another post I quoted the guessimate of 2 billion Christians world wide. That means there are 4 billion people left. This is one reason not to believe one direction, I refuse to live life with blinders on.

Exo 20:3  "You shall have no other gods before me."

There you have it: The Christian God acknowledging there ARE other gods. A jealous God? No, just a amount small people who are jealous and too proud which made their idea of God to be the correct way. Which is correct however, not for everyone.

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Mat 7:13  Go in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are the ones entering in through it.
Mat 7:14  For narrow is the gate, and constricted is the way that leads away into life, and few are the ones finding it.


Exo 20:5  you shall not bow to them, and you shall not serve them; for I am Jehovah your God, a jealous God[...]

Sorry but He gets the final say so, not man.

Grace and Peace!

DW, these claims you make I can neither confirm or deny but I will research those specific points. Thank you.

-SS

Research with your heart, not your brain. Your heart will lead you to the truth. Your brain will lead you astray.

Well, like I said, I don't wish to believe in a 'God' that lays out a plan like the one you described and quoted. If that makes you fell comfortable then thats great...I wouldn't want to live MY life like that.

Well, anduril; It is not about being comfortable – it is about faith, about doing what is righteous, and about real (I mean REAL!) love.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

No “other god” did that, and no “other god” promises everlasting life*.  

The choice is yours.

* That would be everlasting life as yourself – not intended to be confused with the reincarnation crowd who believe they may “return” as something other than themselves – a cockroach for example…

Guess what.............. Your life is plaed, by God. You have a choice though. You can pick the "Lake of Fire," or "Eternal Salvation." The choice is up to you.
In the Lake of Fire you will live through eternal damnation.  :'(

JudgeNot,

WOW!!! BROTHER - You are back - WE MISSED YOU!


AMEN BROTHER!! - I choose JESUS!

Love In Christ,
Tom

DreamWeaver -


Piltdown Man was a hoax.  Here's a website about it which seems to coincide with the story I remember about Piltdown man: http://unmuseum.mus.pa.us/piltdown.htm

I studied a little archaeology and anthropology in (secular) College. Though the class didn't really cover any material on the earlier "links in the chain,"  we started with studying the Homo Habilis. Supposedly more human than ape, first bipedal, somewhat upright walking (hunched over), the Homo Habilis was dated to live approx. 2 - 1.5 million years ago, in the upper region of the African continent. Then we studied the Homo Erectus, as you can tell by the name was the first to walk  completely upright - hence the name Erectus. I believe these were dated about 1.5 - 1 million years ago.

In this same class, we were shown a video of these footprints, 2 sets of them, preserved in sand or mud and I believe this also was in africa. The scientists on this video said these foot prints were made by bi pedal upright walking persons. They dated these footprints to be 3 million years old! That would be 0.5 million years before the Homo Habilus who only walked hunched over.

That's about the extent of my knowledge of the evolution chain. I really didn't want to study it much because I was more interested in cultural anthropology/archaeology which didn't deal with the australopithecines to the Homo Habilus. I don't think I could stay awake for that.

I was curious about the Neanderthal Man, because I remembered learning in my anthropology class that Neanderthal Man is the one they have the most fossil evidence for. So I asked the resident scientist of my congregation, who was formerly an atheist, about Neanderthal man and what he thought they were. He shared some information he said came from a dentist who studied the Neanderthal man and said they were humans who lived for a long time. We know from the Genesis account that many lived to be hundreds of years old. He said that the brow bone continues to grow as long as you live, which could explain why Neanderthals had the brow ridge. Other differences in Neanderthals from us in their skulls were areas of the skull and jaw that grew and calcified over time.  (Hey, that probably explains why my anthropology teacher looked like a neanderthal
 ;D )

"ok so the bible timeline from genesis puts the creation of man at roughly 6000 years ago....."


How do you arrive at such a conclusion? Genesis says six days for creation. On the seventh God rested. Where does it mention a time span from then to now? One must remember that God's ways are not man's

AMEN ollie, God's ways are not man's ways.

The police arrested two young people the other day.

One was drinking battery acid and the other was eating fireworks.


They charged one, and let the other one off.


   
     :-[

*groans*

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

*groan* :'(

LOL   I actually like that one!

Grace and Peace!

 ;D   ;D

Two Aggies were involved in a car accident, and both survived.

One was thrown completely off the roadway into a pasture. He was charged with leaving the scene of an accident.

One was thrown through the windshield of the other vehicle. He was charged with breaking and entering.

 ;D   ;D  One groan deserves another one.

Your right...............

Groan!!

 ;D

Just remember:

A bird in hand is safer than one overhead.

Groan!!

Just remember,

A bird in the oven is better, then the bird in the cage. Ya still gotta pluck the turkey. ;D

Ok, it's a groaner! But I liked it! I haven't heard any Aggie jokes since I left Louisiana! Kinda made me homesick!  ;D

Amen, Gracey ;D

  To stay on subject, since science is rolling into this subject:

1) The assumptions made about the Neanderthal man, are pretty much false (dental records, comeon people).  First off, dental records on a human that lived hundreds of years would be invalid.  Because the teeth would either have to show immense decay (which Neanderthals do not, hinting at middle age death), or they would have had to regenerate multiple times throughout life.  If regeneration is the case, then dental records would only show the Neanderthal to be as old as the new set of regenerated teeth.
   2)  in reference to the shape of the skull in relation to age (hehe, I know what books you guys have been reading).  Since bone density and basal skull length are used to measure life. Then yes your right, Neanderthal is very old.  However, if you use the same method to measure the skull of say, a orangutan, then you would show that the animal is well over 700 years old (is this true?!!).  The evidence posed about the Neanderthals skeleton is false, because using the same technique produces different ages on different measurements.  Meaning that the growth patterns of the Neanderthal are different than modern mans.  So the assumption that they are, really, really old, is wrong.  (just as a side note, if it were true then researchers would be clamoring to find the genetic differences that allowed this longevity).
   3) As to the notion that arthritis called the "deformity", well I can just say, research into rickets, or arthiritis.  They cannot produce that severe, and uniform deformity, it is a genetic difference, not a disease.

About Cro-Magnon man:

    This is our descendants.  Very similar in size and shape to us, and not too many differences.  The biggest difference is cranial capacity and frontal lobe developement.  They had it, but not to the extent that we have it.

  But, alas, none of this information can confirm or deny the existence of God.  Even if creatures appeared 200 million years ago, it still can't disprove God.  As an omnipotent being God would easily be capable, and clever enough, to organize a universe that runs off of an extremely complex set of rules.  I also agree, that yes, God is outside of time and space.  So spending 7 days on a planet could be the equivalent to millions of years (which is summed up rather quickly).

I've heard this story before. That we come to monkeys. I can see a monkey sitting on a stack of books by Darwin, holding a skull saying, "So you really think I became you? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, what a riot.

  I still don't see what is so preposterous about the idea that we evolve.  Everything evolves constantly, plants, animals, bacteria.  You can watch a virus evolve into different forms within years.  You can see adaptations in animals similar in species from around the world.  Look at your hands and feet, the webbing inbetween the fingers and toes is all but useless, from an age we may have needed to swim more perhaps. In fact having a true big toe (meaning your middle toe is not longer), is an changed trait, because we no longer need the long toes to climb. What about those born with overdeveloped tails, no use in them, and no real harm, they are just a remanent of genetic past, not completely erased yet. There are, I think, about 24 (not exactly sure on this number, somewhere between 20-26) useless organelles and bits within the human body, that over time have been disappearing, why?  I'm not trying to disprove God here, I mean like I said. God is omnipotent, and in that omnipotency I am sure he realized that we would become curious.  So why not create a system that makes sense instead of just having it appear?

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, and everything in them.

He created man, he didn't evolve him. He created woman from man's rib, not from an amoeba.

Created he them, in his own image, no less. God doesn't need evolution. Unbelieving man needs an answer; a man of faith has his answer.

God is the ultimate miracle worker....  ;D