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I thought i'd be very genderated (i dunno if thats even a word) a put this topic in the 'Men Only' section.

What i was wondering what the Christian view is on proffesional wrestling.  I wrestle myself and i would imagine the depiction of violence and t&a would not conforom to a Chrstian's likings (or maybe i'm just being stereotypical). Most wrestlers are actually firm Christians, such as the person who helping me turn Christian (Nora Greenwald), also amazing quite a number of wrestlers have become evangelists (i hope thats spelt right :-[)

Anywayz, What is everyone's view on wrestling?

I "LOVE" Pro Wrestling

Sting
Million Dollar Man

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I watched wrestling thursday night on UPN. Wrestling has changed since the last time I watched it. Some how it has become dirty in the last 20 years. But who am I to judge wrestling?

Yeah Million Dollar Man is an evangelist now.

Well, this is probably not going to go over very well, but....

I'm sure that many of you view professional wrestling as harmless since, in reality, none of it is real. However, I'd like to point out a couple of things.

First, it feeds a carnal desire to see someone suffer at the hands of another. Yes, I know it's not real. But some of those things that the wrestlers do have a high chance of resulting in pain if not performed to perfection. I've seen a few documentaries on wrestlers where they have talked about breaking bones, having concussions, and other injuries. And I think that we can all agree that the crowd is not going wild because they approve of how wonderfully executed the fake maneuvers are.

Second, it wasn't this way in the early days of the "sport", but today's televised wrestling has turned women into objects, rather than portraying them with the beauty and uniqueness that God designed them with. They are eye candy whose only purpose is to get more men to watch, which obviously increases revenue. They come out scantily clad in outfits with bodies that have been generated by science, not the Father. And they parade themselves around because they know that's what the viewers want. They may as well work in a strip club. Satan's pretty smart, isn't he?

Third, this kind of "entertainment" is right up there with R-rated movies. It would be interesting to find out how many of you would approve going to them. God has told us to "be holy for I am holy." Please tell me how allowing ourselves to view such filth can be seen as holy through the eyes of a holy God. The two simply do not go together.

As far as wrestlers being evangelists or claiming to be Christians let me say this. If the Million Dollar Man (Ted DiBiase) is an evangelist now, does he still promote the sport? If he does, then I question his calling.

I went to the Nora Greenwald site and found nothing there that says she's a Christian. Maybe I wasn't looking in the right place but I found myself being very leery of surfing through the site after I saw some of the links that she has on there. It seemed to be all about her with nothing about Jesus. And that's just a little out of whack.

DreamWeaver, you said, "Who am I to judge wrestling?" I don't see it as a judgement as much as it is an observation. And I hope that none of the comments I made here will be seen as judging either. I simply use God's Word as a filter of sorts. And if it passes through, then great. But if it doesn't, then there's something wrong. And professional wrestling does filter out.

In Christ Alone,

Stephen

You'd be suprised how much even landing normally in the ring hurts, plus bouncing off the ring ropes hurt a lot.  I wrestle myself, but we try to keep each other as safe as possible everytime we set foot in the ring.


Believe me women's portrayal in wrestling is somhing that bothers me aswell, and hopefully over time that will change, there are actually fantastically talent women's wrestler that do actually wrestle on WWE programs, Nora is a perfect example, and it may be noted that she is very much anti-t&a.




That just depends totally on what your outlook on wrestling is my friend.  Most wrestlers are very religious, i pray that God keeps my safe when i'm in the ring, is that wrong?



Well you can take my word that Nora is extremely religious, there is not much on her offical site, but if you look on 'facts about nora' you will find some religious references there.  "It seemd to be all about her with nothing about Jesus"...well there is religious stuff on there, just for the record Nora Greenwald is a wrestler, not an evangeist thats probably why you see so much stuff about her, it is her official site.

Please refer to this link  http://www.noragreenwald.net/nora/favorites.html

Luke O:
While I appreciate and respect your comments, I just don't see the validation for the sport.

When you started this thread, you wanted Christian views of professional wrestling, of which I stated mine. In your reply to my post, you presented the individual perspectives (including yours) from participants in wrestling.

What really needs to be addressed is the foundational aspects of professional wrestling. It's violent and portrays women as objects, whether these women set out to be viewed in such a way or not. It glorifies punishment to the human body inflicted by another. Just because other "religious" people are participants, doesn't mean that it should be acceptable to us as Christians or from a biblical point of view.

If you get right down to it, it's not even wrestling at all. As a former wrestler in my youth, these people that I have seen on tv are more of a kind of fighting acrobat. Don't get me wrong, they do possess athletic ability which helps them with various high risk maneuvers. But there's very little wrestling that actually takes place.

In Christ Alone,

Stephen
 

Don't get my wrong i am no way trying to have you change your opinion or anything.  Your opinion is your own and you are entitled to it.  With the women as objects points, i agree with you, i wish it would change, but there Nora Greenwald is no way a conformist to these stereotypes, but unfortunately pretty much every other diva is.

On the point of violent sports, come to think of it pretty much every sport is violent to certain extents, and with sports like american football we also see women undermined in a cheerleading form.


Now again this is your opinion, based purely on facts though i must disagree.  Yes, certain wrestling has turned into all high risk stuff, but the majority of wrestling is not like that at all.  Pretty much every 'wrestler' in the WWE is a wrestler.  Maybe the nostrgic view would suggest 'wrestlin ain't what it was like back in my day', but to be fair everything evolves, including wrestling.

But i appreciate your comments on the thread.

 8) Nora Greenwald said on WWE that she was a christian: a male fan called in on Byte This and asked Molly was she christian?  and Molly said YES! so that is how the rumours got started --- of her being a christian. The character she portrays said Yes! ! But I do not think the real Nora is Christian but the character is ---ect.  Think of all the deciples in the bible none would even consider being a wrestler because it advertises violence. Of course the adults know its acting but children think its real. The apostles of the messiah would never advertise sin. Like the storylines that Molly has insulting people and beating them up ect. People must realize that the christ taught compassion and mercy!  not play fighting ect. I think people forget that it is only TV.  I do not think she is religious in real life or a righteous person. She had on a shirt called HOOTERS off TV and a fan snaped a photo of her . Do you know what Hooters are? It is a chain of restaurants that play old 1965 music and they serve hamburgers fries ect. but the waitresses are without bras -mostly business men and Constrution workers go there to lust for woman with big breasts, so is this christian? None of the saints in the bible was into that there main focus was church and Yahweh worship and nothing else.

not to be disrespectful, but its not like i don't know anything about Nora, and i also know the difference between a shoot and a work, regradless what she said on Byte This, i know for a fact that Molly is a genuine christian.

Luke O, in what state do you wrestle?




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Well i live in the UK, so we have countys instead of states over here.  I live in Manchester, England.......so FSW and FWA.....not much choice really for people who live in the UK.  But i will be working in the US in my 2nd year of university which is in a couple of years.

Jim Elliott was a wrestler.  He and several other missionaries tried to take the gospel to the Auca Indians in Equador in the 1950s.  The Aucas were remote, hard to reach and, apparently, known for their prior distrust and killings of white men.  Apparently oil men, like from Shell or other cos., had abused or misused tribes years earlier, in the 20s or 30s.

The remains of Jim and party's aircraft, a piper cub with canvas wings, was found on a river bar in the jungle.  Also the remains of the five missionaries, in various spots up and down the stream.  Their camera film was found intact.  Photos of Aucas approaching.

Jim's wife, Elizabeth, carried on in ministry for some years afterward and, I believe, went back to visit and work among the same tribe.

But Jim had been at least an amatuer wrestler, I'm not sure about pro.  He used it as a self-disciplining tool and, I believe, grew up in Oregon.  There have been a number of books  about his life.

Hi Guys

This is my first proper post on these boards and hopefully many more to come.
Found this thread really intresting as it is something i think about often. I live in the UK and over here, on Satellite TV, we have wwe wrestling on most days. I often sit down with my son and watch the wrestling and on the whole find it enjoyable and good entertaiment. But recently, i have been asking myself if it is appropriate. A couple of my concerns would be, as others have mentioned, the way females are protrayed and the way they dress and then there is the question of certain wrestlers with there names and what they represent. One that come's straight to mind is the undertaker and the stunts he comes up with. Now i know its only acting, but i have to ask myself, is this something that we should be watching and more importantly, should we be allowing our younger children to watch it? Would be intrested in what other dads think, where letting children watch these programs are concerned.

In Christ
Joey

I have no problem taking my three sons to NWA SunRay Pro Wrestling every month, and to WWE RAW and SMACKDOWN when they come to Orlando. I am thinking about buying NWA SunRay at this time, and I would have more of a active part, like getting up in the ring and doing some wrestling. :)



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The word of God says you should do nothing to cause your brother to stumble!So this T&A you are talking about could cause someone to stumble who has had problems before then this is something we should not involve ourselves in!!I try to reason things out wether whatever it is that I maybe participating in or watching or just doing is lifting up Jesus!!!If it is not then I Probably should not do it!!

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Bro. Love:

I'd be interested to hear why you have no problem with going to these wrestling events.....and taking your kids to them.

In general, just because someone doesn't see anything wrong with an activity or form of entertainment doesn't mean that it pleases God when we do it. Isn't that what we as Christians are supposed to be about? Pleasing our heavenly Father?

What about R rated movies? Does anyone think that God is pleased with anyone (especially Christians) who partake of this form of entertainment? Movies in this ratings category contain violence, nudity, and adult language. To be honest, it runs pretty parallel to what is shown in professional wrestling these days.

One of our ultimate goals (if not the main one) is to be as pure and holy as we possibly can. "Be holy, for He is holy." I don't see how that is possible when we expose our eyes to what professional wrestling has to offer.

This could turn into a hot topic. LOL.

I myself have slowed down on watching WWE Raw as it does portray women as objects. And that is one of my major things I'm struggling with right now. I would not let my son watch personally, just for the simple fact that through WWE, he can learn to disrespect women and treat and look at them as objects. I know this is the point on which a lot of people disagree, but that's the way it is in the Smith household. Look at Kane and Lita for example: Their wedding was portrayed as Kane taking Lita as his 'PROPERTY'...I don't want my son getting that kind of idea in his head.

As far as the violence... Well, I'm split on that. I guess I just don't know from which angle to come from. I mean, it is violence being portrayed. BUT, we all know it is fake too. Yes, sometimes they get hurt, but they go into their matches, and they show up for work everyday knowing that they could not only get hurt, but maybe even die. They do that willingly, so I'm kinda like, "Ok, they know the risks and do it so I can watch a good show and be entertained." But then again, I sometimes think, "This ain't right." I just feel convicted to turn the channel. To me, that is the ultimate "know when to turn the channel"...when your heart says you shouldn't be watching whatever it is that you are watching!!

God Bless...
Robert

I just feel convicted to turn the channel.


How 'bout feeling convicted to just turn it OFF!!


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You Get "TWO"Thumbs DOWN, Really BAD Idea



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Wrestling has definitely, as someone said, "evolved" over the years. I remember watching as a child when it actually looked like a competition. The bad guys were the ones who gouged eyes and pulled hair and were booed by the fans. Contemporary pro wrestling has become possible the most vulgar and tasteless thing on broadcast TV. Yes, women are portrayed as objects, but that's not the half of it. Promiscuos affairs are hinted at. Sexual gestures and suggestive language are the norm. Mild profanity is standard communication. Evil is cheered fanatically. Yes, you may say they're only acting. But then, porn stars are "only acting". Freddy Kreuger is only a charachter portrayed by an actor. Portrayal is no justification for what is portrayed. What we support, what we accept, may well be testimony against us. Keep it logical. Dressing in spandex, fondling a silicone enhanced female, and getting one's butt kicked by someone representing the undead hardly glorifies God.

Just a thought.

Very well put macrame. You just helped me to see that I shouldn't watch wrestling. Thank you. And I'm truly sorry, God, that it took someone else to show me that. I guess I need to get to know Jesus Christ and God better.

In His Service,
Robert

Amen, macrame.

I'm still waiting to hear from Bro. Love......

ONE MORE TIME:


I have no problem taking my three sons to NWA SunRay Pro Wrestling every month, and to WWE RAW and SMACKDOWN when they come to Orlando. I am thinking about buying NWA SunRay at this time, and I would have more of a active part, like getting up in the ring and doing some wrestling.



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Bro. Love:
And I ask the question again.....but why? You seem firm in your stance yet you have yet to give a reason why. You've been around in this forum for a while and are well respected, I'm sure. Maybe there's something that the rest of us who see a problem with watching pro wrestling are missing.

And I disagree with your comment to Symphony about "two thumbs down" for just turning the tv off. The less time we sit in front of that degenerative box the better.

And I disagree with your comment to Symphony about "two thumbs down" for just turning the tv off. The less time we sit in front of that degenerative box the better.

Amen, and Amen.   8)


We've got you in headlock, now, BL!!


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LOL good one Symphony