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Title: If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: SavedByGrace02 on July 31, 2004, 07:41:33 PM I had a very strong discussion about this topic concerning what i saw on Jack Van Impi one time. the lady said that Christians who commit suicide will go to heaven. I dont think so because I see it as a sin that cannot be repented of. what do you guys think?
Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Shylynne on July 31, 2004, 08:41:23 PM I think this is for the Man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief to decide.
Title: If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Brother Love on July 31, 2004, 09:54:38 PM I had a very strong discussion about this topic concerning what i saw on Jack Van Impi one time. the lady said that Christians who commit suicide will go to heaven. I dont think so because I see it as a sin that cannot be repented of. what do you guys think? This one of the few times I agree with Van Impi <:)))>< Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Kristi Ann on July 31, 2004, 10:00:06 PM What Does the Bible Say About Suicide? (http://www.bible.com/answers/asuicide.html)
Suicide, is still a VERY touchy subject for me. My daddy committed suicide February 26th, 2003. :'( :'( Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Shammu on August 01, 2004, 01:38:57 AM What Does the Bible Say About Suicide? (http://www.bible.com/answers/asuicide.html) Sorry to hear that MGA, my prayers go out to you and your family for peace of mind.Suicide, is still a VERY touchy subject for me. My daddy committed suicide February 26th, 2003. :'( :'( Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Kristi Ann on August 01, 2004, 01:51:30 AM Thank you so Much DreamWeaver!!
hey, did you get you screen name from Gary Wright's song? Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: aw on August 01, 2004, 09:27:04 AM He would go immediately to be with the Lord. The ultimate, of course, act of self-chastening. A believer is not UNDER law and sin is not mputed where there is none. Sin cannot be a reason ever for denial of the kingdom by God.
Only God can look on the heart, but it is probably doubtful that a TRUE believer would commit suicide- unless, of course, there was some form of mental derangement. aw Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Kristi Ann on August 01, 2004, 06:26:01 PM He would go immediately to be with the Lord. The ultimate, of course, act of self-chastening. A believer is not UNDER law and sin is not mputed where there is none. Sin cannot be a reason ever for denial of the kingdom by God. Only God can look on the heart, but it is probably doubtful that a TRUE believer would commit suicide- unless, of course, there was some form of mental derangement. aw Is the He you're talking about is my daddy?! In the Very painful end of his Cancer and Lou Gehrigs. My daddy asked my mother a week before he committed suicide, Quote, His words ~ Do you Believe in the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? My mother said to him of chorse I do! That gave me peace, and my mother peace!! I was estranged from my daddy from the year 2000 to February 26th, 2003 the day he committed suicide. March 3rd, 2003 is the frist time in alomst four years I got to even see any of my family! I am an only child, my daddy's suicide hurt me Very much in more ways than I can count. My Mother and I never got to say Goodbye to him.. :'( :'( This Web Site (Kristi Ann's Haven) I built is for the Glory of God. Plus my own daddy Norman whom committed suicide Feb. 26th, 2003 because of cancer and Lou Gehrigs.
In Memory of my daddy Norman :'( July 26th, 1937 to Feburary 26th, 2003. I 'll always Love and Miss you! Mom and I really Do Love you daddy. My mother & daddy looked very happy in the picture above! Love Always & Forever, KristiAnn Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: sincereheart on August 01, 2004, 07:26:10 PM Quote Is the He you're talking about is my daddy?! Just a wild guess here; but I would venture to say that the response was to the Thread Question: ;) Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Quote He would go immediately to be with the Lord. The ultimate, of course, act of self-chastening. A believer is not UNDER law and sin is not mputed where there is none. Sin cannot be a reason ever for denial of the kingdom by God. Only God can look on the heart, but it is probably doubtful that a TRUE believer would commit suicide- unless, of course, there was some form of mental derangement. aw Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: BFWard on August 02, 2004, 12:01:36 AM I am sorry for your loss MsGuidedAngel :'(
Now I have had inputs from both sides of this issue. Many Pastors say it is an express way to damnation. On the other hand, many Pastors also say that it is not. The only reference I could find in the Bible was when King Saul committed suicide after displeasing the Lord by falling on his own sword. But I was under the impression that the Lord still favored him, even if the Lord was replacing the king with David. ??? Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Shwa on August 04, 2004, 04:08:43 PM To look at suicide and say it is unforgivable is incorrect. No, we can't ask for forgiveness beforehand and expect to be clean, and unless you live through a suicide attempt you won't be able to ask afterward. But let me explain my resoning.
Jesus Christ died for ALL sins. Not just adultery or stealing. Christ provided us with a way to heaven through him. Your ticket to heaven is not based on how big or little your sins are. The Bible says that we are saved by faith and not by works. Works are a result of the relationship we have with Jesus. Think about this: Say I lie to my parents about where I am going some night. I go out and am in a fatal car accident. I had no time to repent for lying to my parents but do I still get to go to heaven? I sinned and did not ask for forgiveness! What do you think will happen to me? Matthew 12:31-32 says: And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Blasphemy is the only recorded "unpardonable sin." All other sins are still sin - no matter how big or small - and aren't too big for our Lord and Savior. All Christians sin. Otherwise we wouldn't need a savior. Some people struggle with words that come from their mouth while other people struggle with thoughts of suicide. The only difference is that thoughts of suicide can have a more permanent affect on the life that God gave you. Don't doubt God with life. He created you and has a plan for you. Our God is a God of hope - not of giving up! Grow stronger in your relationship with Christ and you won't have problems trusting Him. Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: ollie on August 04, 2004, 07:29:17 PM Thou shall not kill. ("kill", Strong's Number: 7523
"Transliterated: ratsach Phonetic: raw-tsakh' Text: a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder: --put to death, kill, (man-)slay(-er), murder(-er).)" Isn't suicide self murder? However people that commit suicide are usually not in their normal rational way of thinking, therefore it will probably not be judged as such. The individual heart of those that commit suicide holds the answer and only God will know it and judge accordingly. He is loving and merciful through Jesus Christ and if one is in Christ and then becomes so distraught as to render this final sin of hurt to themselves; then I am sure that the blood of Christ will have it covered and does cover it. Ollie Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Kristi Ann on August 04, 2004, 08:17:21 PM Thou shall not kill. ("kill", Strong's Number: 7523 "Transliterated: ratsach Phonetic: raw-tsakh' Text: a primitive root; properly, to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being), especially to murder: --put to death, kill, (man-)slay(-er), murder(-er).)" Isn't suicide self murder? However people that commit suicide are usually not in their normal rational way of thinking, therefore it will probably not be judged as such. The individual heart of those that commit suicide holds the answer and only God will know it and judge accordingly. He is loving and merciful through Jesus Christ and if one is in Christ and then becomes so distraught as to render this final sin of hurt to themselves; then I am sure that the blood of Christ will have it covered and does cover it. Ollie Dear Ollie, Not all suicides are thought out. My daddy had no choice what he did, he wanted to save my mother the pain of taking care of him. My daddy only would have lived one more day as the Cancer had spread to his liver and was terminal!! There was No cure for him! Not everyone that Committes Suicide is crazy, some hurt so bad, that they cannot take the pain anymore. I know how this feels. I have metal in my body from my birth defect, I have more than enough pain to go around. People that are sick or mentally in need of help. Please Listen to them, most of all LOVE them, Everyone deserves that! Blessings, \o/ MsGuidedAngel PS. BFward, thank you sweetie!! I am still grieving a little bit. Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: aw on August 04, 2004, 11:40:33 PM He would go immediately to be with the Lord. The ultimate, of course, act of self-chastening. A believer is not UNDER law and sin is not mputed where there is none. Sin cannot be a reason ever for denial of the kingdom by God. Only God can look on the heart, but it is probably doubtful that a TRUE believer would commit suicide- unless, of course, there was some form of mental derangement. aw Is the He you're talking about is my daddy?! In the Very painful end of his Cancer and Lou Gehrigs. My daddy asked my mother a week before he committed suicide, Quote, His words ~ Do you Believe in the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit? My mother said to him of chorse I do! That gave me peace, and my mother peace!! I was estranged from my daddy from the year 2000 to February 26th, 2003 the day he committed suicide. March 3rd, 2003 is the frist time in alomst four years I got to even see any of my family! I am an only child, my daddy's suicide hurt me Very much in more ways than I can count. My Mother and I never got to say Goodbye to him.. :'( :'( This Web Site (Kristi Ann's Haven) I built is for the Glory of God. Plus my own daddy Norman whom committed suicide Feb. 26th, 2003 because of cancer and Lou Gehrigs.
In Memory of my daddy Norman :'( July 26th, 1937 to Feburary 26th, 2003. I 'll always Love and Miss you! Mom and I really Do Love you daddy. My mother & daddy looked very happy in the picture above! Love Always & Forever, KristiAnn aw: Sin is NOT imputed to us as all of it was put to our Lord's account. All sin was judged at Calvary and committing suicide in no way kept your father from the presence of our Lord. I believe that the time is imminent for us "ALL" to be together in any event. A.W. Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: Kristi Ann on August 10, 2004, 05:04:42 PM aw: Sin is NOT imputed to us as all of it was put to our Lord's account. All sin was judged at Calvary and committing suicide in no way kept your father from the presence of our Lord. I believe that the time is imminent for us "ALL" to be together in any event. A.W. Dear A.W., (http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v145/KristiAnn/YellowHeartPump.gif) Thank you for your very nice words!!! ;D I appreciate someone understanding a lot. ;D Suicide is very hard to understand. But, someone who has been touched by it Very closely, I sometimes have a different view about it. Please Everyone, know this, when someone is suffering in their lives, what do these people need, ~> Love from all of us. Please Tell them of Jesus Christ to give them peace!! My daddy was in a wheelchair because of Lou Gehrigs, and Cancer ate him up inside. I fight Cancer with my Personal Computer. I belong to the UBB ThreadSDev to help fight Cancer, through UD (United Devices). I now have over 125,000K points and growing each day. We work as a team to try to find a cure for Cancer. Blessings, \o/ Title: Re:If A Christian Commits Suicide where does he/she go? Post by: FaithfulFollower on August 11, 2004, 11:59:00 PM I am going to have to agree with those that say those who commit suicide would go to Heaven. Once a child of God, always so. There is also a matter or two to be considered when speaking of this issue. Do all suicide attempts lead to a quick and sudden death? I doubt this. There are many methods used, and honestly I feel as though that there could be the smallest chance that within one's dying moments that one could come to see the light before it is truly too late. Other than that, in the scripture the only unforgivable sin mentioned is cursing the Holy Ghost/Spirit.
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