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Are these folks for real?

I should ask for a million bucks because if I ask I'll receive?
If I'm not a millionaire soon then it's because I don't have enough faith?

My health will be instantly healed if I just have enough faith.

If I have enough faith, at the age of 39 I can look like I'm 25 again---- or at least I can afford to buy enough make-up and big hair so that no one has a clue as to what I really look like.

Of course I'll get my money/health/desires of my heart quicker if I send of x amount of dollars to this ministry or to buy that book or series of tapes, etc.

Most of the people to teach these things come right off of the Total Bimbos and Nutcases station.

Does anyone really believe in these teachings?
Are they right about anything or have they convulted the whole Truth to fit their teachings?

They are definitely real - real con-artists.

Why do you think that so many people buy into their teachings?

Not only do they go along with what these people are teaching, they will defend it like it was the Gospel.

Some of it is greed (alot actually) but some of it I think is frustration that we see the bad guys gettign all the goods - when are we going to get our share?  They don't want to wait for God's justice and think they can hurry it along by demanding God gives them their inheritance now so they can spend it on pleasures of the earth.  (sound like the prodigal son to me and he ended up dead to the Father until he repented).

Ambassaador

Y are spreading your agenda?. This was going good till you started to spread your hate and bigoted views.

If you love God and Hate you brother you are a liar.

Don't let old 3 in 1 get to you LionRoar - he is just a toothless old cut and paste artist no one pays much attention to anymore.

Your not a believer, and your sure NOT my brother.

And Yes I H-A-T-E Your F-A-L-S-E RELIGION. I never said I hate you or any of your C-L-O-N-E-S

Yes michael i agree.

Brother

Well brother i guess the Jesus you have and the one i have are different becasue mine tells me that you are my Brother in Christ.  Jeus died for my sins just as he did for your but it seems that your Jesus died for your sins and not mine.

I feel very sorry for you.

Ambassador! That's not in any way Christ-like. And if you really think that Catholicism is wrong, that's no way to witness, either. Their faith is different, but as far as I can tell, none of the differences in their beliefs matter for salvation. What, specificly, do you think is wrong about the Catholic doctrine? I mean, differences that will stop them from going to heaven? And don't throw out a bunch of insults, either. I think alot of all this fighting is due to misunderstanding, and if that's true, I need to know what you honestly think.

-Matt

Can you take the anti-Catholic statements to another thread please!
I'm against Catholicism too, but I see no reason why Catholicism has to be drug into every thread.

Or, a thought just occured to me, could it be that you support some of these liars on the Taking Bribes Network? Maybe you have no defense about following these nuts so you choose to take jabs at Catholics to try to make yourself look better?
I can't really think of any other reason why you'd bring Catholicism into a thread that has nothing what-so-ever to do with Catholicism.  

Michael is right, he really has nothing to say. It seems as if no matter what the subject is, there are a few around here that just can't help spreading their prejudice and hate. May'be we need to give 'em a little slack, this might be the only interaction w/ people they get and their social skills aren't up to snuff yet. Just a thought.

Ambassador, my question was a real question. I wasn't just rebuking you through questions - I think that's cruel. So, I'm still waiting for an answer...

-Matt

And now back to the topic at hand....  ;)
I agree that a lot of it could be greed.
I wonder how much of it is just out of blindness?

I get very concerned when a well-known preacher tells people that we are "little gods" and tells diabetics to get rid of their insulin, and these people not only listen.... they give him money and defend him.

Or when a lady comes on crying her eyes out about starving children in 3rd world countries needing help and I (a Wal*Mart cashier) need to send them some money to feed these children. Now, I do sponsor a child in a 3rd world country and I think that Christians should do what we can to help them. However, I have a hard time swallowing the fact that I need to do more coming from a lady who could feed the world if she'd give up her mascara for a few days.  ;)

I do not make the rules on this board and I realize it is up to the admin to run this site in the way he sees fit.
However, I would really appreciate it if we don't turn this into another Catholic thread.
There are other issues of doctrine to discuss and it would be nice to discuss those issues once in a while.
Pretty please with a cherry on top?! ;)

Hi His child

I am Roman Catholic and i would rather share and witness what God has done for me instead of having to defend my Catholic faith. I agree with you let's not turn this into another catholic bashing thread.

I saw your post child and this is my opinion.  People have a space just for God inside and there are those that recognize this and prey on this natural need of God that everyone has for their own benefit. :'(

Why do you feel that people can't seem to understand that the teachings of folks like Hinn are incorrect and unBiblical?
I think that part (but not all) of it is because they are too lazy to find out the Truth.

Good question Child

THat could be so. Since now a days there's an overwhelming amount of info on any subject including Christianity.  In my opinion also is that people in general want to believe in something greater then themselves whether it's true of not. We can see that all around us, new age neo paganism, paganism, even most atheist believe in something that they percieve to be greater then themselves. Such Science, Reason, a code of values and/or honor,

I think that's one reason why Jesus calls us sheep. IF the lead sheep runs over a cliff the rest follow. They are not the brightes of animals they need to be lead.


 

Alright. Sounds good to me! But make that a maraschino. ;D

-Matt  

Is it ok to point out the fallacies in these teachings?

Some people claim that it is wrong to point out the doctrinal errors of the Hinns, Couchs, Dollars, etc. of this world because those ministries bring the Gospel to the lost.

Others say that we are commanded to point out those errors.

I honestly wonder what Gospel it is that they are preaching?

His_Child

Mind pointing out those errors. I've never heard their teachings but i do know people who listen to what they teach on a regular basis.

A visiting pastor at our church visited a recording studio in the USA and he related how they were chatting away about everyday events, cracking jokes and as soon as the countdown began they changed into their glossy smiles and charismatic personalities and all he could think was, "Its all FAAAKE." he did admit that not everyone is a fake. Who is real and who's a fake, i wonder???

Hey there everyone.  If you are not aware of some of the teachings going on here is a link for more info about the TV preachers, etc.  I would post it all on here, but there is way too many articles on it.
http://www.letusreason.org/WFDir.htm

I truly believe they are going to have a big part in the end times.  Back in April 2004 Benny Hinn was talking about being a part of the Peace Plan for Israel.  He's also involved in helping them make plans to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem.  Anyway, just my two cents on that topic.
As the years progress the doctrine on their station becomes more deluted.  Their sermons are filled with man made doctrine instead of the doctrine of the Bible.  It is really sad.  There are so many people who follow these people and it changes people... alot of times, not for the good.  A good example of that is my old roommate.  She watched christian television  24 hrs a day.  It was always on constantly in our house and one day she went off the deep end.  She started talking about God wanting her to be rich on this earth and that he didn't put her here to be poor.  (Actually God put us here to spread the good news of the Gospel, not to stack up riches here on earth but to stack up riches in heaven).  She believed everyone had demons.  If she got in a disagreement with someone she would think to herself (and out loud) that that person had demons and rebuke them.  Eventually I had to move.  Her doctrine started to go away from Christ and on to herself and she became very boastful.  It is really scary to see that kind of transformation in someone that used to be a sincere genuine person for Christ.  I pray that one day she will see the truth.

HI child

Personally I see nothing wrong with it. Just have to remember to do it in a loving way.  I'm notsure exactly what they teach but i would say to treat them as a brother and sister in Christ who has gone astray.  Be patient,be kind.

I think that you can find plenty of examples of what not to do in this forum and you can also find examples of people that have agreed to disagreed peacefully and respectfully.

How about Benny Hinn teaching that we are little gods?
How about Joel Olsteen (I think that is how his last name is spelled) preaching sugary sermons on name it and claim it when his own father passed away from cancer. I guess his father (who Joel inherited his ministry from) didn't have enough faith.) ?
I believe there was a nice little incident where Pat Robertson took the money given to him mostly by widows and poor people and bought a race horse.
Paul and Jan Couch teaching that we need to let go of our greed, yet they live in a house much larger and more expensive than most of us will ever dream of living in?

So do you think we need to agree to disagree with false teachers?

His Child

What i'm saying is that one can only push the subject so far and then one will start to push the person away. It doesn't mean to give up. Also if you are talking about convertion is not a person that converts but the Holy Spirit that does it.  It may work through us and it may not. Just as we are open to the Spirit working in and through us we also have to accept that it may choose not to work through us but through someone else, events, and /or scripture to convert a person.  



     

So should we let these false teachers keep leading people away?

His Child

Of course not but we can't make personal decisitions for others. All we can do is share, witness, pray and Love them as Neighbors,brothers and sisters,because God made all human kind.

hi emt

Wow that is scary!!!!! I can't remember the verses of hand maybe you will. If i'm not mistaking the Bible says to test the spirit or spirits and to test our teachers.  

Yes, it was very odd to see the change in her behavior :(

One passage that comes to mind is in Acts 17:
Acts 17
10   And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11   These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
12   Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

If anyone else knows any scriptures let me know.  

Amanda

hi emt

I'm no expert but to me it looks like two things. She had a pre-existing condition that was aggrevated or she's being afflicted by something spiritual.

i said it before and i will say it again SCAARYYYY!!!  She needs prayers and whole lot of them.

His Chikd Thank you for the info you posted about the hinn and the others

1Jo 4:1  Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2  Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3  And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

gracey thank you

No!

Yes,  :'(
They have convoluted much for personal earthly gain and to appeal to the earthy who want the same.

Jud 1:4   For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:8   Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jud 1:11   Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12   These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13   Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jud 1:16   These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

2Ti 4:3   For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4   And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Jer 5:31   The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love [to have it] so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

2Pe 2:1   But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2   And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of

2Pe 2:15   Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

1Pe 4:17   For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God?

1Ti 4:1   Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2   Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

2Ti 3:13   But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2Ti 3:2   For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3   Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4   Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5   Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.