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Hi all,

If this is discussed in another thread then i would be happy to be directed to this.

I have been hearing and reading about a lot of instances where churches are opening their priesthoods to gays and allowing them to lead flocks of Christians.

I’m struggling with this issue lately. Am I being judgmental in not accepting a practicing gay priest or a confessed celibate gay priest as spiritual leader? Surely to be a leader of anything you must set an example of clean living according to a standard you want others to live by.  I do not approve of the sin of homosexuality, how can I? I would be keeping that person in bondage and if I did this then I do not love my neighbor.

Am I being judgmental by not condoning this practice?

OK, but some Christians, (or should that rather be followers of Christ Brother Love?), are condoning this practice and it is dividing churches in their beliefs. If there are no persons who condone this then the discussion is pointless and only one side may be presented but if there is then the discussion is not that pointless, is it?

Anyway, i'm signing off. May God watch between you and me.

with love
GD

Revelation 1:4.  John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
 5.  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
 6.  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 1 Peter 2:5.  Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9.  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 Here in Canada, I once heard a newly appointed "gay Bishop" explain away his sin this way...
 This is not verbatim, but it went somewhat like this...

 When confronted with verses about the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, as well as Romans -1:26 - 27,  the  Bishop responded by saying that "there were no homosexuals in those days, and those warnings were advanced simply because such a thing was so unthinkable to the ancient people"...

 That sort of blows the theory of "being born that way" out of the water doesn't it?

 It was a lame explanation. He did what so many liberal Christians do - he insinuated the bible was merely a man made book, and not necessarily the way God intended it to be - in order to legitimize his sin. In the minds of liberal Christians - the God of the Holy Bible is incompetent - and not able to present His Word the way He intended it to be. How can these people believe any of the Bible, if so much of it is simply a "mistake of man" or "out of date" ?

 I treat everyone with respect - regardless of their beliefs. However, I do not accept Christians who profess that homosexuality is not a sin, simply because they don't want to give it up and repent. I treat homosexuals with respect, but I do not candy coat my beliefs. When and if the subject of eternal salvation comes up - I inform that unrepentant sin does not go unpunished. I am not in any position to tell anyone who goes to Hell or who doesn't - that's God's job. However, those answers can be found in the Bible - whether you choose to believe it, is your business - just don't be surprised to find yourself in Hell when the end comes.

 Same goes for adulterers. There are Christians who have affairs while being married, and they are also on a slippery road. God doesn't mince His words when it comes to such sins. In the end - we either take the Bible literally - or we take our salvation in our own hands.

 Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:  


 Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.  


 Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;  


 Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,  


Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,  


  Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:  


Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 
I would not attend a Church which legitimized homosexuality - nor would I accept a gay paster.

Bronzesnake.

If someone's sexuality rules their life to the point of making it a primary focus, (whether they are a pastor, a doctor or a lawyer), even if they aren't a "practicing" homosexual, they are guilty of idolatry. Period.
I want my pastor's number one focus to be Jesus Christ - not sexuality.  I don't want a pastor who idolizes sex - AC or DC.
 

Poor Ollie

Brother Love :)


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Excellent verses Bronzesnake, I have to agree with you. I wouldn't attend a Church which legitimized homosexuality or would I accept a gay pastor.

Leviticus 18:22 "Man shall not
lie with man as he does with woman which is homosexuality. I refuse to judge anyone because of this .........................

 I am not God, therfore I can't judge anyone. All I can do is to remind people that homosexuality, is a sin.

I am not God, therfore I can't judge anyone. All I can do is to remind people that homosexuality, is a sin.  
 

AMEN!!!!!

Brother Love :)

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I would be afraid, very afraid if my pastor had "man problems".  As a single Christian woman I know just how far off track I can get if there's "man problems" in my life.  I lose my focus and I can't function.  

But I agree with the scriptures Ollie posted.  We're ALL responsible to spread the gospel. If a person is a homosexual and he believes His Lord, and he's working on overcoming sin, isn't he lumped in with all the rest of us who have yet to reach perfection?????
The scriptures do say, "Above reproach" and "not even a HINT of sexual immorality"

In my small and judgmental mind, however, I would think that a person who Champions their church obove a relationship with Christ   . . . .
and an organization who put mere men in the place of God . . .
saying that we have a relationship to them them instead of a relationship with God, are violating greater commandments and stomping over more important principles then the gay folks who decide to evangelize in an organized fashion.

Personally, I prefer a gay person that preaches the gospel than a straight person who preaches evolution.

That's my two cents. . .

Peace

??? ??? Care to elaborate on why "Poor Ollie"?


Ollie

??? :-[

;) ;)

I would guess that depends whether or he/she has repented of the sin.... if he believes His Lord and knows it is an abomination in the eyes of God, wouldn't it follow that he would repent and abstain, at least?

True, we are not perfect; never will be here on this earth, anyway. So, even those things we are repentant of sometimes creep back up on us.


Sin is sin...I don't know, is there anything else called an "abomination in the eyes of God" in the bible? I'd have to go look it up, and my computer is havin' a nervous breakdown.

peace
Gracey

candice said Personally, I prefer a gay person that preaches the gospel than a straight person who preaches evolution.

well i cant knowingly receive my spiritial guidance from a pastor, preacher or priest , that has not repented and cotinues liveing in sin willing and knowingly, no matter what life style it may be, gay, bye, wife beater, thief you name it. if its a on going life style than they need to stop.
yes we all fall short , but we must at least not live a constant repeatting life style of sin.

Crossdressing is an abomination unto God, though not necessarily an abomination in his eyes.

Gay Christian is a contradiction, let along gay Christian priest

let's just put all of the fags into a rocket ship and shoot them into the sun

Somehow I doubt that's the attitude God would have us display. Pray for them instead. You'd be amazed at what the fervent prayer will accomplish through Christ.

Gracey

God destroyed sodom and gomorrah to set an example for how we should deal with the queer menace

 ;D  "judgment and wrath He poored out on Sodom, Mercy and grace he gave us at the cross, I hope that we have not too quickly forgotten that our God is an awesome God."

All you Rich Mullins fans out there--the thing Rich  complained about was folks quoting his songs instead of scriptures   . . .but I couldn't help it.   ;D

Hey how about all those pastors that interpret the scriptures to enforce the curse, "your desire will be toward your husband and he will rule over you" instead of understanding that in the beginning it wasn't God's will for anyone to rule over each other, but their desire be toward the Lord????

If "Sin is Sin" like people try to say, then those pastors that preach "The Curse" is God's way and it's natural and right, are just as ungodly as the gay pastors interpreting the scriptures so they can say that their own homosexual lifestyle is natural and right--justify their own sinful desires--desires to RULE OVER someone in the case of all the pastors that preach that "The Curse" is God's way--aren't any better than pastors that preach whatever they want to justify.  The thing is IT FEELS RIGHT in THEIR OWN EYES they find scriptures to justify their actions and guilt other people into doing the same or at least accepting what they do.

A righteous person once wrote:  "I am a Christian because I have seen the love of God LIVED OUT in the lives of people WHO KNOW HIM.  The Word has become flesh and I have encountered God in the people who have manifested (in many "unreasonable" ways) His presense--a presence that is more than convincing--it is a presence that is compellling.  I am a Christian, not because someone explained the nuts and bolts of Christianity to me, but because there were people who were willing to BE the nuts and bolts.  Through their obedience to the truth and not necessarily through their explanation of it, they held it together so that I could experience it and be compelled to obey."

There will always be preachers out there preaching this and that.  But folks learn about God through how we behave.  

Now now, We are Not to Judge anyone!  Pray for them, Love them, help them Know Jesus.  After all, He (Jesus) is the Only Way Truth and Life.

Calling Names can hurt people, so please watch how you use them. People that think calling People Names don't hurt, Need to Check themselves with God once again, and See His Love for Everyone, that's Why He sent Jesus to Die for All our sins, for Everyone on this Planet He (God) Created.

Remember to Judge Not Lest Thou Be Judged!!

Praise Jesus for Today & Everyday!!

Blessings,  \o/

KristiAnn

Not even close!
God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of their sins.  We are to pray for them.  Love your enemies.  Pray for those who persecute you.  Keep on reading!  You may have missed something.   :)

candice , said

There will always be preachers out there preaching this and that.  But folks learn about God through how we behave.  


i say amen ;)

Yea!  What Butcha said Candice said!  Yea!
Amen again!

Ever heard this term;


People in Glass Houses should not throw Rocks!

Another good one:
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"  :-X :-X :-X

But aren't we so fortunate that He sent Jesus Christ who showed mercy and grace?!
Otherwise we'd all be doomed.

sink quote...


 Going once!...
 

Candace-
The late Rich Mullins was one of my favorites!
I sure miss his music.

sink quote...



 Going twice!...

 By the way - God also destroyed the entire population of earth, except a few God fearing souls who escaped on an ark...they weren't all homosexuals my sharp tongued friend.

Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Bronzesnake.

I think if there were ten times more people with your opinion that we should send gay people to the moon, God Himself, would have to ordain people with the tendency to be Gay, just so someone will have compassion on the gay people and evangelize so that gay people will get to hear God's word.  It is for THE LOVE OF GOD that Christ died.  So, that sinners come to know the Love of God.  So, that they might turn from their sins, not by turning from sin, but by turning TO God.  

Christ's main priority and the reason for His death was to show people God's love.  God did NOT say, "See those gay people down there, I think I better get a bunch of people to call themselves Christians so they can tell those gay people they're sinners."

If a person says there is no sin in them, they are a liar and the truth is not in them.  At least each one of us and every one of us has to acknowledge we are sinful.  And if we stand around saying that gay people are sinful, we might be able to notice there's by some strange coincidence a common aspect in all of us--that WE ALL have a tendency to sin.  

I think that our outward signs on sin do not have an indication of what our inward heart is like.

Hi. I'm glad you brought up this issue because many people are confused about homosexuality. There is no such thing as Gay Christian priests or Gay people. The term Gay has been utterly misused. Fag, queer, and any word that denotes a "celebate" person is LABELING a person as ONE WHO HAS COMMITED A SEXUAL SIN BY ENGAGING IN HOMOSEXUALITY WITH ANOTHER PERSON. A person who talks, walks, and has the characteristics of a "GAY" person is not born as a sinner of homosexuality just like "STRAIGHT" people are not born as sinners of adultery of fornicators. It is by action do we sin, not by being who we are.

What I know is that some people are susceptible to commiting adultery while others are susceptible to commiting homosexuality. The devil will shoot every temptation at everyone.

God has revealed how we should deal with all sin and the sinner which is ourselves and you.

Ollie