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In whose hands do you put your life? Yours or God's? Atheists put their lives in their own hands because they think they can do a better job of it that God can. Those who think they are saved by works also think they can do a better job than God can. They don't trust that Jesus will leave his flock to look for one last sheep, nor that he will never abandon them. Therefore, since they don't trust that God will bring them closer to him, it is then up to them to do whatever it is they think they have to do to be saved. Who decides this is anybody's guess. "Ye of little faith." This of course contradicts Paul's words; "It does not therefore depend on man's own desire or effort, but on God's mercy." And of course the apostle Paul must be in hell because he said; "For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good i want to do-this i keep on doing...Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God-through Jesus Christ our Lord!" To those who think we are saved by works, Jesus's death is not enough!  He was not only wrong, but since he's not saved by works he must also be in hell. Poor guy.

That is not what atheist think - are you that uneducated Heidi?


Who thinks they are saved by works?  Anyone?  No - that is just you purposely misrepresenting the ideas of someone else to make yourself look right.  Remember pride goeth before a fall Heidi.


No they know He will never abandon us but just the fact that He might have to go look for a lost sheep says that His sheep can become lost which is somethign you deny since you don't believe what He says.


It is all there in the scriptures if you just read them but when I have offered you the verses you just ignore them.


No, there is no contradiction, those that understand works must accompany faith in order for it to be a true living faith know what Paul really meant - that the offer of the gift depends on God's mercy and not on our effort.

Instead of giving a rational explanation of what athiests think Michael, you replace it with an attack. Again, "For out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks." Attacks seem to be quite easy for you, Michael. I have been posting on atheists forums for over 6 months, so I know exactly what they told me. In whose hands do you think they put their lives if they don't believe in God? the tooth fairy's? WHO'S the uneducated one?

Again, you have twisted Paul's words from; "It does NOT therefore depend on man's own desire or effort but on God's mercy" to; it DOES therefore DEPEND on man's own desire or effort and NOT on God's mercy." As Paul said in Ephesians, 2:9, faith is gift of GOD so that no man can boast. Of course you'll accuse me ot not quoting it exactly because you don't understand at ALL the spirit behind his words but only the letter. even if i quote it exactly, you don't believe it anyway!

Once again, you have shown that you twist God's word to fit your own interpretations. I agree with BEP. You have a made-up gospel and it is a waste of time to have any further discussions with you. I'm sick of listening to your attacks and accusations that others are lying while contradicting and twisting the gospel yourself. Our exchanges are over!

I didn't bother to explain your error because it is obvious to anyone who knwos the least little bit about atheists.

You said "Atheists put their lives in their own hands because they think they can do a better job of it that God can. "  But that is not true.  They don't believe in God, they don't think they can do a better job than He can because they don't believe He exists, so for them no such comparison can exist.  That is what I meant by asking if you were uneducated because anyone taught to think properly would have seen that immediately.


Sorry if I am not impressed with your entire SIX MONTHS of posting!!!!  But you are not an accepted authority on anything so if you want to make a claim about what people believe be prepared to back it up with a quote otherwise expect to be called on your lies, regardless of whether you claim our exchanges are over.  


No, you don't quote it exactly so that you can twist Paul's words.  Faith is not the gift - grace is - go learn some Greek grammar before you try to misquote scripture to me.

Our exchanges will be over when you quit lying about what other people believe and you stop twisting and misquoting scripture.

"for I KNOW in whom I have believed, and TRUST that HE is able to deliver that which I have committed to HIM against that day..."