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It is Harry's third year at Hogwarts, the magical school for young witches and wizards, and the only place Harry can call friendly. A lot has happened in three months, though, and upon his re-entry into the school year, he finds out that a murderous wizard has escaped from the Alcatraz-like prison of Azkaban, guarded by the evil dementors. Not only this, but Harry soon realizes that this wizard, this Sirius Black, has escaped for the sole purpose of finding HIM, and even Hogwarts might not be safe anymore.

If you have been following these movies even loosely, chances are you know that this new one is being directed by someone new; so chances are, the feel of Prisoner will be at least a little different from the two preceding it. If you didn't know that by now, get used to the idea, because the whole aura of Hogwarts and its personality has changed.

Being a huge fan of the books, it's difficult to watch this movie and not nitpick -- everywhere I looked there seemed to be something that had been altered however slightly from Rowlings' publication. Little things like the bar scene in Hogsmeade to much bigger ones like the entire part in the Shreiking Shack. Some can be overlooked, for others, you just gotta suck it in and realize that the book versions of these movies will always be better and more consistent.

But that's all from an avid reader's standpoint.

For those who haven't read the books but are following the movies, this one's a real treat. There's not much these people can complain about, because there's not much they realize they're missing. I think that if I had never read the books but had watched this movie after seeing the first two, I would have been much more pleased and would have been able to appreciate director Alfonso Cuaron's ideals much more.

And, how exactly did this new director fare? Well, I thought he did an excellent job, when it comes to his cinematography and the way he changed the feel of Rowlings' world. The entire setting seems to have shifted; instead of the flat, well-tended Hogwarts grounds you saw in the first two movies, the area here is much more mountainous and wild, more picture-esque. Instead of the bright, sunny days that gave the first two movies a more kid-friendly feel, you get almost all overcast or rainy days that outline the much darker, mature themes and undertone the film brilliantly. The characters themselves have grown; you can read article after article, interview after interview about how Daniel Radcliffe (playing Harry himself) has developed with his character, but you can definitely tell that him and the other actors have come into their own. They're not kids anymore, so of course they'll be going through different changes and emotions that will certainly help the characters they play to become more lifelike as they do the next movie(s).

Another change that's been made is Michael Gambon replacing the late Richard Harris in the role as Dumbledore. While the change is quite noticeable, it couldn't have come at a better time, as Dumbledore's part in this movie was not a big one, and was downplayed successfully from his part in the book. He DOES have a different feel, though. He's obviously younger, and his character has lost a lot of the whimsy and mystery that Harris so beauitifully integrated into his part.

Now, the things I didn't like in the movie had mainly to do with the connection to it's published counterpart. The scene at the end, perhaps the most important and shocking in the whole book and movie, felt rushed, and almost like the director wanted some things left unexplained. I think ten more minutes, if even that, would have helped tremendously in explaining a lot of the questions non-readers will obviously have upon leaving the theater. Also, characters didn't have much interaction in the movie. For example, in the book, Ron and Hermione have a huge fight that almost ruins their friendship that was barely there at all in the film. I can only hope that this is remedied in the next movie, because character interaction plays an enormous role in the next book, and if it is as minimized as it was in this film...well, it'll be a problem, to say the least. Also, little things like not explaining who Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs are (I suppose that would be a bit bigger in other peoples' opinions), not explaining the stag-shaped patronus, and the flying dementors might have some readers complaining more than they should.

On a side note, I have to say I love the way Cuaron executed the dementors. The loathesome, soul-sucking guards of Azkaban prison were just done terrifically. The flying aspect that was added in the film actually made the dementors look even more evil, and the ice that covered everything when they got near was a creative little touch.

There's a lot more I could say about this move, good and bad. If you like good acting and the idea of an overall darker feel, see this movie. If you think you're going to get all uptight because of the mistakes and omissions that were made, wait for it to come out on video. I'll give it two scores: For the readers, I can't rate it higher than 3 (out of 4) stars. For those who either haven't read the books or honestly don't care, I give it 4. But one thing's for sure -- if you plan on seeing this, have an open mind. Whether you're a die-hard fan of the books or are just used to the aura of the first two movies, you can't go into the theater expecting what you've already gotten. This is something completely new, and as a result, you'll either embrace the new style or come running back to the safety of the prequels.


**Note: If you think Harry Potter is evil, don't turn this thread into a debate. I really don't care if you think it is; your opinion means nothing to me because you are wrong. Now get over yourselves and stay in your closed little minds for this thread, if you would. I'd greatly appreciate it.

In my opinion the third movie is the best one so far.  It's darker yes, but it also feels more like a movie now.  Not just some kids film that I was ashamed of enjoying ;).  

Harry Potter Is E - V- I - L :)

Only if you're easily I-N-F-L-U-E-N-C-E-D  ;)

thanks for that great review!  I pretty much agree with most of what you wrote.  But overall, I really enjoyed Cuaron's interpretation of the book.  He made a beautiful movie, did you like all the "time" references throughout (i.e clocks ticking and the like)? I thought it was a nice touch. My only complaint is how much of the book was cut, but I suppose you can't have everything.

I seen the first two moives, not the third though...

I just saw the third one and I loved it!

Hi there erly_star Welcome!!   ;D Hope you enjoy your stay with us here.  Pull up a chair and make yer self comfortable ya hear! ;D

So, you're saying the third one is better than them all?

It's kind of hard to beat of Raiders of the Lost Ark Series, but what do I know anyhow.  :P

Blessings,  \o/

KristiAnn

i didnt like the first 2 but the 3rd one was great 8)

Harry Potter is E V I L

You take rubbish in you will get rubbish coming out  

Harry Potter is definately rubbish but worse than that it is EVIL RUBBISH  

 ::)

I've decided I want to use Smilies again.

...Anyway. Another fundamentalist fanatic about to be shut down by Sapphire W34P0N. I don't care about whether or not this thread is a debate; it's so old anyway.

You say that rubbish in = rubbish out, but in order for that to be true, there needs to be rubbish.

Have you read the books? Seen the movies? Or do you just go by what your biased, ignorant buddies say? Don't imply it promotes witchcraft if you have no idea about what the books are really about. That's just asinine.

Is it true witchcraft? Have you seen people that have been "influenced" by the books or movies casting spells or summoning demons? Has there been an increase in occult membership since the Harry Potter books came out, and if so can you give me a reliable source? Does the Bible say, "Thou shalt not have an imagination?"

*Sigh.*

Puritans.

Christians need to find better ways to waste their time than by making useless stabs at creative literature.

Sapphire, You know my opinion already. Even though you are a kid, and a pretty good one. I feel that the topic, will cause debate. No matter what is said.

Go in peace with God.
Bob

Honestly, DreamWeaver, I don't remember what your opinion on this issue is/was. And I know it will cause debate, even though there sould be little to debate about.

I'm just sick of ignorant, unimaginative, hard-core zealots bringing their uninformed opinions to the table with no way of making an intelligent or concise argument. Now, I don't know for sure if No Gray Areas would fall under that particular category, but in the past, that covers almost the entire contingent of anti-Harry Potter Christians I've faced.

It does little to aid my pessimistic view of the world, as I'm sure you can imagine.

I think its absolutely sickening to have promotion discussion about a dark evil witchcraft movie on a Christian forum.

Especially hearing from people thats its such a great movie. Are you all ignorant.  What is wrong with you people. Your supposed to be walking with Christ not the enemy...

Totally Sickens me :-X

If you are truly interested in the truth of harry potter, please read the articles on this website.  I think you will be surprised.  the enemy comes masquerading as an angel of light.

http://www.seekgod.ca/topicharrypotter.htm

shalom, nana

At least the woman that writes the articles is consistent. She's against HP, LotR, AND The Chronicles of Narnia.  :)

sincereheart wrote:
At least the woman that writes the articles is consistent. She's against HP, LotR, AND The Chronicles of Narnia.  

nana:
Yes, thank God there is someone out there dedicated to exposing these forms of evil Scripturally and holding us accountable to the standard of righteousness that God has mandated in His Word.

1 John 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passes away, and the lust of it, but he who does the will of God abides forever.

James 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever desires to be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Shalom, Nana

Quotes taken from Malky's site
Quotes taken from posters on this thread

What we think about, through our imagination or thoughts, what we focus on, what we enjoy and call good is who we are.

I have a problem with this statement. I think about God sometimes, but I'm not God. I think about psychology a lot, but I'm not a psychologist. I think about the opposite sex quite a bit, but I'm still a man. Maybe it's just poor wording, or maybe I'm just playing semantics, but I don't for one second believe that statement.

We have clear Biblical instruction to not be involved with fables, myths, fiction and so on. It does not say we can read fables and be edified. It does not say we can read or write fables and learn sound doctrine from them or use them as an evangelism tool. It says to have nothing to do with fables.

This is just one quote among many on this site that condemns the imagination (though this one is more indirect).

Listen, God gave us an imagination so we wouldn't be robots unable to respond to anything creative. Oh, wait, without imagination, we wouldn't be able to recognize, interpret, or even construct anything creative. I refuse to believe that imagination is evil, because there are a lot of things in this world that are edifying while at the same time showing the creator has an imagination. Worship music by contemporary Christian artists (as much as I despise it) involves imagination. When pastors and ministers draw connections from what's being said in scripture to what's happening in the world today takes a certain level of imagination. All edifying.

This [fables, myths, imagination] cannot be confused with Christ teaching in parables, which some have tried to say is the same thing.

She goes on to say it's not; it is. If Christ didn't have an imagination, he would not have been able to create these parables.

fable (n): A short moral story

No, Jesus' parables sure weren't those, were they?

I'm not going to read every one of these; just check out the URLs for each link:

http://www.seekgod.ca/imagination1.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/imagination2.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/imagination3.htm

All she does is condemn imagination. She's a brainwashed extremist Christian, the very type I absolutely cannot stand. I bet if I met this person on the street, it would end up in a yelling match. I can't be bothered to argue with someone who believes a woman who writes articles as close-minded as this; she's digging deeper than there's dirt to move, and making connections that simply aren't there. She's probably single and unbearably self-righteous. I can't take anything she says as truth; the fact that she believes the imagination is evil turns me off from doing more than scanning her articles.

But wait, I'm reading her symbolism page on Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, and her idiocy has just been confirmed. She obviously takes everything in every HP (and probably LotR and Narnia) book like J.K. Rowling is trying to convert children to "witchcraft." She's acting like this book is non-fiction, rather than an entertaining fantasy story.

At least she took the time to read the books, unlike almost every other anti-HP Christian I've ever met. Still, though, it's obvious she was looking for the bad in it from the very beginning. No objectivity at all. Just a cry for attention.

I think its absolutely sickening to have promotion discussion about a dark evil witchcraft movie on a Christian forum. Especially hearing from people thats its such a great movie.

I think it's absolutely sickening that you would insult my beautiful review like that.

Your supposed to be walking with Christ not the enemy...

Remember, "Judge not, lest ye be judged..." It sickens ME how many people, especially anti-Harry Potter Christians, forget this.

You people who are against Harry Potter should go watch "The Crucible" or read the play. See if you can draw any connections between yourselves and Reverend Parris.

Strange she doesn't like the Narnia Chronicles, given that C.S. Lewis wrote them as allegory of Christian stories.

On the whole Harry Potter thing, here's my take.

I've watched the movies, and think that in and of themselves the content of the movies is not dark, evil, and scary.

The only problems I do have with these movies is not really about these movies in particular.

In our current media culture there has been a growing popularisation of magic and witch-craft as a good and positive thing. You can see this in things like 'Charmed' and 'Harry Potter', as well as things like LOTR, which I personally love.

I don't think there is any danger in Christians watching these things - I think that we have enough discernment.

However, the interesting aspect to me is the degree to which teenage culture and thought is formed by the media. Teenagers nowdays are constantly getting the message that magic and witchcraft is nice, pleasant, and good - if used for good.

In a typical sense - this could be thought of as a 'gateway'. Not many teenagers are going to be attracted to witchcraft through real depictions of goat sacrifices etc, but we can plainly see they're attracted to 'good clean fun' magic.

I saw recently in the news that Wicca is the fastest growing religion amongst teenagers 14-15 years old in the USA.

I work in Marketing & Advertising - if there is one thing I know well it is this: if you publicise something over and over in a positive light - popularity of that item will increase. I've never seen an exception to this.

Alright, I'm a very enthusiatic fan of Harry Potter, who feels the need to defend it.  Also, I like the first two movies much better than the third, but it's still good.

Besides saying there's witchcraft, why is Harry Potter evil?

Addressing the witchcraft part: Actual sorcery is not real.  A kid might pick up a stick, point it at a rock, and say "Wingardium Leviosa"," but do you know what?  Nothing is going to happen.  The kid will just be temporarily be disappointed, drop the stick, and go have a nice cookie.  I don't really see the point in the Bible saying witchcraft is bad and don't do it, because of the sole reason that nobody can do it.

Again, besides just mentioning it has wizards in it, why is Harry Potter evil?  In your own words please!  I don't want to go read a 500+ word essay that you copied and pasted, nor do I want to go to a link and read the 500+ word essay on there.  Simply list why it's evil.

Again, besides just mentioning it has wizards in it, why is Harry Potter evil?  In your own words please!  I don't want to go read a 500+ word essay that you copied and pasted, nor do I want to go to a link and read the 500+ word essay on there.  Simply list why it's evil.

Admirable as your question may be, I can assure you with 100% confidence that if any anti-Harry Potter Christians bothered to respond to your post, all you'd get would be:
-it has witchcraft
-it's influenced by the Devil
-it has witchcraft
-there's witchcraft in it
-the Bible condemns witchcraft
-I can't prove it's actual witchcraft, but the books have witchcraft in them
-I'm stupid and I haven't actually read the books, but I know they have true witchcraft in them because the teenagers in the books play with wands, or so I've heard from other close-minded idiots who are not open to imagination or all the good these books have brought to the literate community

It's all getting tired and repetitive.

I guess I am one of those "closed minded idiots". Any book or movie that attempts to make its characters equal to God in capability is indeed evil and should be avoided. It tends to lead many people into cult worshiping and setting others up to accept Satan as their leader.

As for imagination, there are many good books that can exercise the imagination without bringing the occult into it.

Hey to Sapphire W34P0N  heres an idea read the books then comment on them.  Because then your not even giving it a chance and they are really entertaining books and I enjoy reading them.  Do I know witchcraft is bad? yes Do i see the witchcraft in HP and realize its bad? yes and yes.  But here's one thing to consider.  Its fiction aka its not real.  There is nothing wrong with it.  Maybe how people respond to it but its their fault for doing that.  The book aren't saying go become a wizard or witch, go get involved in Wicca and its not encouraging it either.  I mean what about Lord of the Rings...J.R. Tolkien,Christian author...both good and evil use "witchcraft"  through Gandalf and Saurman.  Its how you respond its not the books.  I just makes me mad when people complain about the books and haven't even read them.

Well Sapphire W34P0N know my opinion of Harry Potter. I also don't like Lord of the Rings. Though I have read both, yes they are well written. I just don't care for either set of books.

By the way shrekandogre, welcome to Christians Unite forums.

Resting with the Lord.
Bob

DreamWeaver, I can appreciate that. If you read the books, form your own opinion and don't try to force it on everyone else by claiming it's evil and that they're sinning by reading them, I don't mind.

Any book or movie that attempts to make its characters equal to God in capability is indeed evil and should be avoided.

I'm guessing you've never read the books, because no one in the series has power or capability that is equal to God, nor is there even the slightest hinting at such an idea.

As for imagination, there are many good books that can exercise the imagination without bringing the occult into it.

occult (n): 1. Supernatural forces and events and beings collectively

If you're going to take this definition, God and His angels would certainly fit into that description.

occult (n): 2. Occult practices and techniques

If you're going to take this definition, Harry Potter has as much to do with the definition as the Bible does (referencing definition #1).

Hey to Sapphire W34P0N  heres an idea read the books then comment on them.

I don't know where this whole post came from. If YOU'RE going to comment on MY thread, at least read it first so you can find out exactly who's defending what.

I love the Harry Potter books and find nothing blasphemous or sinful about them.

Do i see the witchcraft in HP and realize its bad? yes and yes.  But here's one thing to consider.  Its fiction aka its not real. There is nothing wrong with it.

You know what you just did with this comment? You just gave the entire contingent of anti-HP Christians a full stock of ammo and weapons to use against you. I, of course, disagree strongly with the first part of this statement.

J.R. Tolkien,Christian author

J.R.R. Tolkein was Roman Catholic.

sry the reading part was responding to your previous post which i though you were agreeing with them.  but that is a problem with most people.   This Tolkien thing...im not even going to start on this Catholic thing because we've been warned about it.  But please dont say that about Catholics not that I am one but your being just as bad as me by making assumptions.  If you question the basis of the Lord of the Rings and Tolkien's Christianity read this article...an excpert from "Finding God in The Lord of the Rings" by Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware.  http://www.family.org/teenguys/breakmag/features/a0018699.html (http://www.family.org/teenguys/breakmag/features/a0018699.html)

Arguing about what religion someone else is is not going to cause trouble...if you argue about which faith is "right," then you'll stir up some controversy and get yourself banned.

But please dont say that about Catholics not that I am one but your being just as bad as me by making assumptions.

Again, I have no idea what you're referring to. I never said anything good or bad about Catholicism; I just said that J.R.R. Tolkien was one.

Look, I've heard multiple things on Tolkien in regards to his faith; I don't know what is actually true, but just because Tolkien wrote books that parallel Christianity doesn't mean he's not Catholic.

Look at this quote from a site I found when searching on Google with the words "tolkien catholic:"

"J. R. R. Tolkien once described his epic masterpiece The Lord of the Rings as 'a fundamentally religious and Catholic work.'"
http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/faithandfantasy.html (http://www.decentfilms.com/commentary/faithandfantasy.html)

I don't know what religion Tolkien was, and frankly, I don't care. If you can draw edifying things from the series, what does it matter what the author's intentions were?

Go back a couple posts ago....
J.R. Tolkien,Christian author

J.R.R. Tolkein was Roman Catholic.

Your saying right there hey hes not Christian he's R.C.  thats were i got that from.

Errmmm....as I said before, whether the content of the books themselves is evil is basically, to me, inconsequential.

The modern societal portayal of magic and witchcraft as a good thing is great marketing for it, whether it's intended or not.

Hence the fact that Wicca is growing so fast among teenagers in the USA today.

PS - of course witchcraft has power (esp over people) - that's like saying demons cannot have power over people.

Personally I like the Harry Potter books.

I didn't enjoy the first two films too much, but I had been looking forward to the third one, as that was my favorite book. I was quite surprised with the film. I agree with the review, there were quite a few things changed or missing, but by itself it is rather good, especially compared to the first two.

Scary? I think some bits might be a bit scary for younger viewers. I reckon that the ..what are they called again..dementors? might give them a bit of a fright. But that is just my opinion.

Yes, there is witchcraft in Harry Potter. If you focus on that then you get the witchcraft=evil conclusion. To me, that is not what Harry Potter is about, however.

There is a lot of good that kids can learn from these films as well. Putting the entertainment aspect aside. Harry is a boy who has been raised in not very pleasant circumstances, then learns that there is so much more out there than he is used to. He finds friendship. And it is a very loyal friendship, too. And there is the love his parents had from him, which plays a big part in the books. In fact, the biggest defense Harry has against evil is not some wicked, destructive spell, but love. Just as love was what saved him when he was just a baby.

If looking into it deeper, and if people read the books up until the most recent one, it is also very much about Harry's inner struggle against his own darkness because he is very aware that he has this inside of him.

On a side note - it is very hard not to love the world. At least, in my opinion. God created so much beauty all around us. There is such lovely nature, so many beautiful places. And the wildlife. I do not think I could go through life not enjoying these things. And those are just a few examples.

And I do agree that people have been given creativity and imagination. Why would God give us talents if we are not to use it? I love writing poetry, I love listening to music, I love reading. Fiction does not have to be evil and bad. Non Christian music does not have to be bad.

Just my opinions...

Kit

Never saw it.  Don't intend too.  Not cause I think it's evil.  Sorta along the same lines of why I refuse to watch Legally Blonde with my wife.   ;D

I did, however, manage to see the extended version of the Return of the King, which, I must say, simply was fantastic.  Apart from having split with the book at several points, it made for fine movie plot/storyline enjoyment.  It's a must see.  I give it a rousing two thumbs up!  Why only two?  Because I only have two and don't feel like borrowing someone elses to bolster my opinion of the fine nature of said film.  I am above such childishness.  ;D

And if you don't like LoTR....(http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/kev.gif)

hehehee!  Jus' kiddin'...

Post #1: But please dont say that about Catholics not that I am one but your being just as bad as me by making assumptions.

Ok. You said I was making assumptions about Catholics, by which I assume you meant Catholics in general. This is why I am a strong advocate of being literate and becoming able to express ideas concisely.

Post #2: Go back a couple posts ago....
J.R. Tolkien,Christian author

J.R.R. Tolkein was Roman Catholic.

Your saying right there hey hes not Christian he's R.C.  thats were i got that from.

Now, if you had read my full post, you would have realized that I gave a reaosn for saying he was Catholic, along with a quote from a site I found by searching Google. You say he's Christian, I say he's Catholic, is basically what's going on here. We both give examples of sites that have quotes supporting either argument. So who's more credible?

Obviously, me. ::)

Kittiara, you are a poster after my own heart. Well, almost. Nice points there.

First of all, being able to do magic isn't equal to God.  Notice how they have to learn spells, they don't just know them.  They have to use a wand, and not just wish it.  They can't do everything (or else no witches or wizards in the books would ever die).  How do you know what it make people tend to do?  From personal experience, it tends to let others start reading.

Harry Potter shows loyalty, bravery, doing what's right and not what's easy, friendship, and, most of all, love.  I don't see what can be wrong with a story that preaches all of that.
I am too, but we're still Christian (I didn't know Tolkien was).  Catholics seem to be taboo in here.  People don't seem to believe both Protestants and Catholics (of which Roman Catholics are just a sect of), and possibly the members Greek Orthodox, are Christians... Also, here's a quote from the foreword of my Fellowship of the Ring: "As for any inner meaning of 'message', it has in the intention of the author none.  It is neither allegorical nor topical."  He wrote it for the story, not as a parallel to Christianity or anything else.

P.S.  Sorry if what I said isn't allowed.  If it is, just tell me so I can see where the "line" is.

Im so glad you dont have any self confiendence issues why do you think your more credible.

Im so glad you dont have any self confiendence issues why do you think your more credible.

I'm so glad you don't have any self confidence issues. Why do you think you're more credible?

Because I make more concise and intelligently-written posts, I've been at this site longer than you have, and tend to be right on these sorts of subjects.

If someone who'd never been here before came to this thread and looked at my posts compared to yours, I think they'd put more faith in mine than yours.

You don't come off as someone who reads my entire posts, or at the very least, bothers to understand them, as most of your replies have already been addressed by something I posted earlier. If you can't give me a reason to believe you're correct on J.R.R. Tokien's religious beliefs, than stop posting on that subject.

Also, here's a quote from the foreword of my Fellowship of the Ring: "As for any inner meaning of 'message', it has in the intention of the author none.  It is neither allegorical nor topical."  He wrote it for the story, not as a parallel to Christianity or anything else.

I don't want to start a whole new debate here, but I have read different (see a quote from Tolkien in one of my above posts). Again, who knows if Tolkien purposely wrote it for allegorical purposes? There have been metaphors drawn from it whether he meant it or not, so I don't see how his intentions are really consequential.

Ohhh....im sorry i dont take the time to edit my posts for spelling.  Why...hmmm dont care.   There ya go im one of those people who would be brilliant if he applied himself and now im just smart because i sleep all the time.   Just because youve been here longer doesnt mean your not wrong.  Its like saying old people are smarter because they been alive more. I would disagree im smarter then so many old people.

*Sigh.*

Ohhh....im sorry i dont take the time to edit my posts for spelling.  Why...hmmm dont care.  There ya go im one of those people who would be brilliant if he applied himself and now im just smart because i sleep all the time.

Everyone would be brilliant if they "applied themselves," so as far as I'm concerned, you're purposely letting yourself be stupid. Or, at least, look stupid. Because you really haven't shown yourself to be smart at all.

Just because youve been here longer doesnt mean your not wrong.

I never said I wasn't wrong (in fact, I blatantly said that I wasn't completely sure what religion Tolkien was), I just said I was more credible. Credibility is earned, and I don't think you've made yourself out to be a credible person, since all anyone has to go by are your ignorantly posted replies.

Its like saying old people are smarter because they been alive more.

This comment is nil because of my above reply, but I'll grant that it's not a bad analogy.

I would disagree im smarter then so many old people.

See, this is the danger of bad grammar. You just made yourself look like more of an idiot, especially because of your comment about old people. There are two ways to write this:

I would disagree that I'm smarter then so many old people.

I would disagree. I'm smarter then so many old people.

The first one makes you look stupid, in case you're wondering.

yeah i know my grammer sucks but hey i dont care so why should you guys.  if you want to spend time correcting it go right ahead. Maybe i should stay awake in English that might be a plan but hey that would require listening to people discuss a person turning into a cockroach.  Hmmm...i think ill take the sleep.

I didn't get that simple of a conclusion. Refer to my earlier posts.

yeah i know my grammer sucks but hey i dont care so why should you guys.

Technically, it's only me who cares. I care because grammar is an important aspect in almost every practical application of life, at least when it comes to showing your intelligence. If you want to look like a sixth-grader, I'm sure I'll get over it. It's you I'm worried about.

Maybe i should stay awake in English that might be a plan but hey that would require listening to people discuss a person turning into a cockroach.

I think this is a good life lesson, don't you? Basically, we all have to sit through things or do things we don't want to, but ironically, it's usually beneficial for us in the end.

Hmmm...i think ill take the sleep.

Yeah, you're cool. Only cool people sleep during class, after all.
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Maybe if you weren't on the Internet at 12:00 in the morning, you wouldn't need the sleep.

Okay, I finally seen the 3rd movie, my friend whom is a an MD, came and brought it over and we both watched the DVD and ate pizza. I really wasn't empressed by this movie either, I still like the first one though.

i dont know i was impressed with this one i think theyll get better every year i cant wait for the Goblet of Fire.

I think that Harry Potter is GREAT, but LOTR is even BETTER! lol
That is my opinion.. ;D

I think your review is dead on, Sapphire. I don't see how they are going to make up some of the plot in the rest of the movies. Percy, for example, becomes a much more important figure in the fifth and sixth book, but is barely mentioned or seen in the first movie when his anal character is fairly established in the first book. The graphics on the first two movies were fairly basic but I think they have grown by leaps and bounds; Buckbeak's flight was breath-taking, quite a difference from the mountain troll in the first movie. I think it's my favorite so far.  

I agree with you to an extent, Getting_Real, but the Wicca that is protrayed by the media is not the real Wicca. The real Wicca was created in the 1950's and has nothing to do with magick unless it is intergrated with other pagan religions. I was a teen when Charmed, Buffy, and some movie title that escapes me at the moment was out. At the time I identified myself as a Wiccan (without the benefit of Harry Potter btw), but grew out of it when I realized how stupid and selfish the spells are. Spells work much better when there's a green screen and a grip boy behind them. Most intelligent people may experiment with Wicca, but won't stick with it because it's a silly religion.

Witches, Wizards, and the word of God.

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Witches wizards and the word of God
"Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of thier fornication, nor of their thefts." Rev. 9:21 "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations decieved." Rev. 18.23
  This scripture comes from the book of Revelation, the final book of God's word, which deals with the end time. One might expect murder, fornication, and theft to be widespread sins in the last days . Just turn on your devil-vision (if you have cable), and you can get a healthy dose in about 2 seconds. But notice a fourth sin is mentioned as well: sorcery. According to God's word, we can expect to see an increase in srocery as the second coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ draws near.
  According to the Webster dictionary, the word "sorcery" means "magic; enchantment; witchcraft; divination by the assistance or the supposed assitance of evil spirits, or the power of commanding evil spirits."
  One does not have to look very far to see that God's word is being fulfilled before our very eyes. Along with numerous other Biblical signs that our Lord's return is near, we are witnessing a huge increase in occultism. Much of this obviously due to the way many books, movies, and devilvision programs are glamorizing such evil practices as witchcraft and wizardry. Let's face it people, witchcraft and magic have saturated our world and pop-culture. And it seems nobody wants to listen to their brothers and sisters in Christ when they get told that Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, C.S. Lewis, etc., are wrong in the eyes of God. So, let's see what God has to say through his word. Then you can argue with God, and not me. God's word clearly condemns all such practices, yet millions of people, especially young people, are being led to believe that it is possible to be a good witch or a good wizard. Nothing could be further from the truth.
  Satan is playing a very nasty trick on our parents and children. Books such as lord of the rings and the Harry Potter series are presenting two kinds of witches and wizards: evil ones and good ones. The books and movies offer a "built-in" contrast so that no one looks elsewhere for a contrast. In other words, the "good" witches look very good compared to the "evil" witches. The psychological effect is that the mind of the reader or viewer becomes satisfied with the "fair balance" and sees no reason to look outside the movie or book for more accurate information. Consequently, millions of Christians will read a Harry Potter book and never read the Bible to see what God says about witches, wizards, and magic. Most Christians and people have been given only one side of the story: the Hollywood side.
  While expecting everyone to be open-minded and allow their children to be influenced by occultism, the promoters of this wickedness have maintained a very closed mind by never telling anyone what God's word says about witchcraft and wizardry. After reading this, you will know God's side. It's up to you wether you will accept the conviction of the Holly Spirit. Hopefully, you will be smart enough to realize that you've been decieved by Satan and filthy rich producers. They have fed children, Christians, and the world a massive lie, and we all have paid them for it.
The money they recieved from us will help empower them to sell their lies to others in the form of more books and movies. I am guilty of this just much as the next person. As a baby Christian, I was swept up in the lord of the rings movies. I have since repented, got right with God, and burned all of my things related to witchcraft. Yes burned. "Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men:" Acts 19:19
  God is quite clear in his word, there are no good witches or wizards: "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt posses, hearkened unto obsevers of times, and unto diviners" but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do." Dueteronomy 18:10-14
 HMMMMM. Now, think about that, friend. Either God lied to us in the Bible, or Satan is lying to you in the movies and books. God said that Harry Potter and his buddies are an abomination. God said Sabrina the teenage witch is an abomination. God said Gandolf and his pals are an abomination. God said any kind of witchcraft is an abomintation, not just a sin, but an abomination. Do you have the faith and courage to believe God?
  "Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor obsever times.....Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God." Lev.26, 31 " And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.....A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them." Lev. 20:6, 27
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"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" 2 Timothy 4:7

I would read all that, but I have this weird phobia of big, long, solid blocks of text.

Besides, from just skimming it I can say that I've heard it all before, disputed it all before, and probably almost gotten kicked off this board because of it all before (I have a short temper), so frankly, I don't think it's worth my time or effort. I'm sorry you wasted your's.