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 Jehovah God the Father descended and assumed a Human that He might redeem men and save them.

In the Christian churches at this day it is believed that God the Creator of the universe begat a Son from eternity, and that this Son descended and assumed a Human in order to redeem and save men.

This is an error, and of itself falls to the ground as soon as it is considered that God is one, and that it is worse than incredible in the sight of reason to say that the one God begat a Son from eternity, and that God the Father, together with the Son and Holy Spirit, each one of whom singly is God, is one God.

This incredible notion is wholly dissipated, like a falling star in midair, when it is shown from the Word that Jehovah God Himself descended and became Man and also Redeemer.

The first statement, that it was Jehovah God Himself who descended and became Man, is made clear in the following passages:
 Behold, a virgin shall conceive and shall bear a Son, who shall be called God-with-us (Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:22, 23).

 Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, God, Mighty, Father of Eternity, the Prince of Peace (Isa. 9:6).

 It shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for Him that He may deliver us; this is Jehovah; we have waited for Him; let us exult and be glad in His salvation (Isa. 25:9).

 The voice of one crying in the desert, Prepare ye the way of Jehovah; make level in the wilderness a highway for our God, and all flesh shall see it together (Isa. 40:3, 5).

 Behold, the Lord Jehovah cometh in strength, and His arm shall rule for Him behold, His reward is with Him. He shall feed His flock like a shepherd (Isa. 40:10, 11).
 
 Jehovah said, Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for lo, I come to dwell in the midst of thee. Then many nations shall cleave to Jehovah in that day (Zech. 2:10, 11).

 I, Jehovah, have called thee in righteousness, and I will give thee for a covenant of the people. I am Jehovah; this is My name; My glory will I not give to another (Isa. 42:6-8).

 Behold, the days come, that I will raise up unto David a righteous Branch and He shall reign as King, and He shall execute judgment and righteousness in the earth, and this is His name, Jehovah our righteousness (Jer. 23:5, 6; 33:15, 16).
See also the places where the Lord's coming is called "the day of Jehovah" (as in Isa. 13:6, 9, 13, 22; Ezek. 31:15; Joel 1:15; 2:1, 2, 11; 3:1, 14, 18; Amos 5:13, 18, 20; Zeph. 1:7-18; Zech. 14:1, 4-21; and elsewhere).

That it was Jehovah Himself who descended and assumed the Human is especially evident in Luke, where it is said:
     Mary said to the angel, How shall this come to pass, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing that is born of thee shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:34, 35).
 
And in Matthew:
 The angel said to Joseph, the bridegroom of Mary, in a dream, that that which was begotten in her was of the Holy Spirit. And Joseph knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son, and he called His name Jesus (Matt. 1:20, 25).

It will be shown in the third chapter of this work that the Divine that goes forth from Jehovah God is what is meant by the Holy Spirit.

Who does not know that the offspring has its soul and life from the father, and that the body is from the soul?

Can anything, then, be more plainly declared than that the Lord had His soul and life from Jehovah God; and as the Divine cannot be divided, that the very Divine of the Father was His soul and life?

This is why the Lord so often called Jehovah God His Father, and why Jehovah God called Him His Son. Can there be anything, then, more absurd than to say that the soul of the Lord was from His mother Mary?

Harry
 

What Bible are you reading?

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].

Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come.

Luk 22:69 Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Luk 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

Jhn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Jhn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Jhn 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Jhn 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Jhn 5:23 That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jhn 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

 Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Jhn 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

The True Bible teaches Trinity.

 
    Hbr 1:1   God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,  
   
    Hbr 1:2   Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;  
   
    Hbr 1:3   Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;  
   
    Hbr 1:4   Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.  
   
    Hbr 1:5   For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?  
   
    Hbr 1:6   And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.  
   
    Hbr 1:7   And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.  
   
    Hbr 1:8   But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.  
   
    Hbr 1:9   Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.  
   
    Hbr 1:10   And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:  
   
    Hbr 1:11   They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;  
   
    Hbr 1:12   And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.  
   
    Hbr 1:13   But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?  
   

And besides,

"Jehovah" just ain't a good rendering.

Angelic Man
Weapon: Modalism Theory

Seriously, your idea of Jehovah God descending, and THEN becoming Jesus Christ, without begetting a Son of God, is a clear example of the heretical doctrine of modalism.

Think of the true example of God/Jesus this way:

The fullness of God can be seen as a body.

My hands are quite different from my feet, but they are still me. Just the same, there are differences between God the Father and Jesus Christ, but they are still fully god.

Jesus is still both fully God and fully man (he'd have to be, to pay for all mankind's sin).

Nicely stated.

Also...
I am a father. I am a son. I am a grandfather. I am a brother,
and yet I am one.

//Urge... to.. reference... Mega Man... rising.... Must... not... weaken....

Fine.

So we defeated Angelic Man, but he can keep his weapon, as it's not very good anyway.

What Bible are you reading?
Or are you too ashamed to tell?

I haven't even read his trash but my guess is he's using a NWT or something along those lines or he just is trying to paraphrase.  You can usually spot a Jehovah's Witness by the massive use of "Jehovah".  They need to use this bible to prove that Jesus was not God.  

They don't have John were it says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God.

Theirs says "was A God".

Ya, I'm thinking NWT also. It's funny...whenever you ask these people what Bible they're useing they don't like to let you know do they?

Nope, they usually beat around the bush because they know eventually they will get beat over the head with it.   :D

I strongly disagree with KJV-only theology, but I'm sure we're all in agreement that the NWT != a good bible translation.

It won't allow for a Triune God, but it calls the Word a god (which is absurd without there being multiples.)

I can't believe I used to BE a JW.     :o
(!= means isn't, for all unfamiliar with programming.)

Shiro-

You were once a JW? How did you come to realize the false teaching?  

This is not JW teaching for they revive the ancient heresy put forward by Arius in the fourth century...Jesus is not fully God but "a god" They identify him as Michael the archangel, believing he was God's first creation, thus a creature rather than Creator.

Angelic Man, Shiro


What is it with you guys, why is it that JWs are dishonbest.

On the "Error in Doctrine" thread on this forum, Angelic Man, posted his reply #47, where he gave his understanding of the triune nature of the GodHead.

I responded to Harry the same day, at reply #48,  and then the next day he edited his response to make it state something altogether different than what he initially posted, after he realized he made a mistake..

Your dishonesty, just goes to show , to what extremes you will go, to deny the diety  of Jesus.

But no matter what you say, think, or do, it won't change the scriptures, especially  at Jhn 12:41, where John, says; that Isaiah saw Jesus, The King, The Lord of Hosts in that vision  Isaiah had, at Isa 6:1-5.

This vision of Jesus, is of Him, as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords, at His second coming, in the Temple He will build, according to 1 Chr 17:1-5, when God spoke these words to Nathan the prophet to tell King David.

You got confused because, at your NWT, the Word Jehovah is used to describe the "Lord of Hosts" at verses 3, and 5 of Isaiah 6.

The Apostle John at chapter 12, tells us, Isaiah saw his Jesus) glory and spoke of him.


So then, the Lord of Hosts of the OT, is Jesus Christ of the NT.

Pay attention, fellows..


Petro

Petro:

If you are calling me dishonest, allow me to refer you to a previous post of mine:

Think of the true example of God/Jesus this way:

The fullness of God can be seen as a body.

My hands are quite different from my feet, but they are still me. Just the same, there are differences between God the Father and Jesus Christ, but they are still fully god.

Jesus is still both fully God and fully man (he'd have to be, to pay for all mankind's sin).

I don't deny Jesus's deity, and that excerpt alone should set that fact in stone for you, if anything does at all.

No hate here, I just think you overlooked something.

shiro,

My apologies, I had to go back, and re read your previous post, I see, my mistake, !=, makes me unacquainted with  programing, I see what you meant.

Anyhow I am glad you have come to the living God, and recognize only what God can make men see and understand.

A Christiansunite forums member mailed me a JW, greek interlinear, and it is a fine tool to draw out the truth of the scriptures, when discussing them with JWs, the watchtower  only  butchered the obvious verses, but there are many verses which have not been touched, they have been very helpful in my ministerty to JWs, I have spoken to quite a few, and have been able to point out the descrepencies, since the Interlinear states, in the prefix, that the NWT is a "word for word" translation of the Greek language.

Their Interlinear is true to any other Greek-English Interlinear, and the fact that it has the NWT in the margins, is what allows for point out the errors,  The best one is 1969 edition, it is a pruple book.

I woulkd be insterested how you came to realize that they were teaching error.

So, I beg your forgiveness, My mistake..

In Christ,

 Petro

I forget. It's almost like God told me "You know that JW thing? Bad idea. Read your NIV and check out what's wrong with that methodology."

Also, I failed to find the birthday thing, or the xmas thing in the bible, or even *their* bible. Ironically, the biggest recoiling I had to JW-ism was because of the whole birthday/xmas thing, even before the idea to contrast the JW thing with the bible.

Shiro,

Have you tried the ESV?  It is quickly becoming my favorite.  As for disagreeing with the KJV-only mindset...AMEN brother!  ;D

I believe Angelicman is United Pentecostal or  United Apostolic.  These groups deny the doctrine of the Trinity and  believe there is one person in the Godhead who took three consecutive forms or modes. First there was the Father who then became the Son who then became the Holy Spirit. I believe it is called Modal Monarchianism or something along that line.....I dont know a whole lot about them though. Anyone else know?

AngelicMan....
Why are you avoiding the question?
What Bible are you reading?

Also, who died on the cross?

You call yourself "angelic"...satan was an angel wasn't he?

Sometimes people come to attack the Christian faith and aren't seeking to learn the truth, but rather to promote false teachings. Sometimes people have been deceived by false teachings and want to bring others to what they believe is truth. Modalism is a false teaching.

There is one God who has eternally existed as three persons.

The Father is a Person: We can have fellowship with Him, 1 John 1:3; He knows, Matthew 6:6-8; He teaches, Matthew 16:17; He loves, John 16:27; He is a witness, John 8:18; He has a will, John 5:30.

The Son is a Person: We can have fellowship with Him, 1 John 1:3; He knows, Matthew 11:27; He teaches, John 1:18, Rev. 2:18; He loves, Romans 8:35, Gal. 2:20; He is a witness, John 8:18; He has a will, John 5:30; He can be grieved, John 11:35.

The Holy Spirit is a Person: We can have fellowship with Him, Philippians 2:1, 2 Cor. 13:14; He knows, 1 Cor. 2:11; He teaches, Luke 12:12, 1 Cor. 2:13; He loves, Rom. 15:30; He is a witness, Acts 20:23, Rom. 8:16; He has a will, 1 Cor. 12:11; He can be grieved, Eph. 4:30.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are personally distinct from one another.

They are able to send or be sent by one another(John 3:17, 10:36, 14:23-26, 15:26, 16:7).

Speak to each other:(John 17:1-26, Rom. 8:26-27, Hebrews 1:7-8) and about each other(Matt. 17:5, Mark 1:11, John 8:13-18).

The Father and Son love and honor each other(John 3:35, 5:20, 14:31).

Please read John 1 : 1.

John 1
1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This verse tells us that not only was the Son God, but He was also with God.

Later Jesus said, in John 20:17, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Clearly the Father is separate from the Son.

Other passages of Scripture confirm that the Father and the Son are not the same Person -- for example, the Son prays to the Father in Matthew 26:39, calls on his Father as a second witness in addition to himself in John 8:16-18, and sits down with his Father on his throne in Revelation 3:21.

The Scriptures also reveal the existence of a third Divine Person: the Holy Spirit. As Jesus spoke with his disciples in John, chapters 14-16, he made it quite clear that the Holy Spirit was not the same Person as himself and not the same Person as the Father. In these chapters, the Holy Spirit is revealed to be personally distinct from the Father and from the Son.

No. I am not a United Pentecostal or United Apostolic. I am member of the New Church. My church doctrine is base on the writings of Emanuel Swedenborg.

I don't believe the trinity as the way the Christians today believe it.

The Lord Himself is the Holy Spirit:

The Lord promise that the Disciples would receive the Holy Spirit was fulfilled in part after His resurrection when He commissioned His disciples.

"He breathed on them, and said to them,"Receive the Holy Spirit." (John 20.22)

The same phrase could be translated, "Receive the Holy Breath." Of course, the breath of Jesus was symbolic of all His words, and of all His activity and life, of His own Spirit.

"The Holy Spirit" is the best translation here, but the point is that the disciples were not to think of the Holy Spirit as the influence of some third Person, but as the influence of Jesus Christ Himself.

When the Lord breathes His Life and Spirit into us it is He Himself who becomes present with us, not some other Person.

So if we ask the question, "Who is the Spirit?" The answer is clear: "The Lord is the Spirit." (2 Corinthians 3.17)

"Who is the Comforter?" "We have a Comforter... Jesus Christ." (1 John 2.1) Like a gentle breeze or a warm breath, Jesus Christ Holy Spirit surrounds and inspires all who are open to receive Him.

The Lord is the Holy Spirit because He alone is Holy
Harry[/b]

The Word was with God. That is the Son was with the Father.

(1) The Word was God. The Word had the character and nature of God; what God was, the Word was.

(2) The personal pronoun him is applied to the Word, indicating that the Word is a personal being.

(3) The  Word was with God. The term with indicates that the Word was not the same Person as the One with whom he was, One who is also referred to as God.

John 1:14, 17, and 18 further explain the identity of the Word:

“And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we have beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth . . . . For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

As we read the rest of the first chapter of John’s gospel, it begins to become clear that God in verse 1 is God the Father, and the Word who was with him is God the Son.

Other passages of Scripture confirm that the Father and the Son are not the same Person -- for example, the Son prays to the Father in Matthew 26:39, calls on his Father as a second witness in addition to himself in John 8:16-18, and sits down with his Father on his throne in Revelation 3:21.

The Scriptures also reveal the existence of a third Divine Person: the Holy Spirit. As Jesus spoke with his disciples in John 14-16, he made it quite clear that the Holy Spirit was not the same Person as himself and not the same Person as the Father. In these chapters, the Holy Spirit is revealed to be personally distinct from the Father and from the Son.


John 14:16: “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.” Here Jesus says he will ask the Father to give his disciples another Comforter in addition to himself. This passage cannot be an example of the interaction of Jesus’ human nature and his Divine nature because there are three Divine Persons which are referred to.



John 15:26: “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.” This is another passage where three Persons are indicated. “From” is the translation of a Greek word that indicates that the place from which the Spirit of truth starts is alongside of and distinct from the One from whom he was sent -- that he is proceeding from a place at the Father’s side.

the Trinity doctrine affirms the truth of passages like Isaiah 44:24, John 10:30, and John 14:9 . . . and the truth of passages like John 1:1, 17:5, and Hebrews 1:1-9. Once the evidence has been thoroughly examined, it is the Trinity doctrine -- not Modalism -- that best defends the truth of all the Scriptures.

For further explanation, go here:

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a63.htm

May the Lord bless those who study His word---the Bible.

From myself: "And the Word was with God." With God, means, in God,for truth is in good,and good is in truth, not a person with another.

 If you agree that the Father and Son were together when this Gospel by John was written, than the two must be one as soul and body of Jesus Christ.

One Person was seen by the Disciples, not two.The Lord saided in John 14:8, "He that hath seen Me Hath seen the Father." The Father was in the Lord as His soul.

 No one has seen the Father, but the Son who is in the bossom of the Father.

The Father is greater than the Son, meaning the Soul is greater than the Body since it directs it.

(1) The Word was God. The Word had the character and nature of God; what God was, the Word was.

From myself: This means there is only one God in whom is the Creator and the Word.

(2) The personal pronoun him is applied to the Word, indicating that the Word is a personal being.

From my self: There no such thing as a personal saviour. An invention made up by the Protestants, just like the three persons from eternity before creation was an invention by the Catholic church.A man made trinity from la la land.

 There only one Redeemer and Saviour.

Am I not Jehovah, and there is no God else beside Me? A just God and a Savior, there is none beside Me (Isa. 45:21, 22).

I am Jehovah; and beside Me there is no Savior (Isa. 43:11).
 
I am Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt acknowledge no God beside Me and there is no Savior beside Me (Hos. 13:4).

(3) The  Word was with God. The term with indicates that the Word was not the same Person as the One with whom he was, One who is also referred to as God.

From myself: Who ever taught you this has no understanding of the Word. The words "with God" means in God.

It is but little understood in the church why the Lord is called the Word. It is because "the Word" signifies Divine Truth or Divine Wisdom, and the Lord is Divine Truth itself or Divine Wisdom itself.

This is why He is called the Light, of which also it is said that it came into the world. As the Divine Wisdom and the Divine Love make  one in the Lord.

These two, Divine Wisdom and Divine Love have been one in Jehovah God for eternity, it is said, "In Him was life, and the life was the light of men." "Life" is Divine love; and "light" is Divine wisdom.

It is this one that is meant by, "In the beginning the Word was with God, and God was the Word." "With God," means in God, for wisdom is in love, and love in wisdom.

The Divine Love and Divine Wisdom in Jehovah God is His Spirit, and the Spirit is what the person is. It does not mean a third person in the Old Testament.

Jehovah God is the Word made flesh, not a second person nor third a person,which you claim is the holy spirit.

 The Prophets spoke the Word from Jehovah God, not from the holy spirit. The Holy Spirit wasn't until Jesus was glorified.
Jesus Christ is Jehovah God the Creator in the Human.

Harry

The Word was with God. That is the Son was with the Father.

Truth is in good,and good is in truth.

Harry

The Word was with God. That is the Son was with the Father.

Truth is in good,and good is in truth. Jehovah God came into this world as Divine Truth, which is the Word,together with Divine Love.

This my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Jehovah God saying I am well please to have a Human Form. He put on this Human so He may redeem mankind. Jehovah God became one of us, a Man, a teacher, a leader of men. In the Word the Jehovah means "love" and the word God means "truth". In the book of Genesis the word God is used, because the six days of creation means six levels of regeneration.

From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) :

Palingenesis \Pal`in*gen"e*sis\, Palingenesy \Pal`in*gen"e*sy\,
n. [Gr. ?; ? again + ? birth: cf. F. paling['e]n['e]sie. See
Genesis.]
1. A new birth; a re-creation; a regeneration; a continued
existence in different manner or form.A new person.Born again.
 
Harry

Read this::::

According to Swedenborg the red dragon in Revelation means the Reformed Church or any other protestant church that accepts three gods and make the Lord two,and accept faith without charity as saving.Rev.12:3.

Rev.12:
Verse 3. "And another sign was seen in heaven," signifies revelation from the Lord concerning those who are against the New Church and its doctrine. "And behold a great red dragon," signifies those in the Church of the Reformed who make God three and the Lord two, and who separate charity from faith, and make faith alone as saving, and not charity at the same time. "Having seven heads," signifies insanity from the truths of the Word falsified and profaned. "And ten horns," signifies much power. "And upon his heads seven diadems," signifies all the truths of the Word falsified and profaned.

Romans 3:28), that "man is justified by faith without the works of the Law," was not rightly understood, because Paul by "the works of the Law" meant the works of the Mosaic law, which was for the Jews; which we also clearly see from his words to Peter; whom he rebuked for judaizing, when yet he knew that "no one is justified by the works of the Law" (Galatians 2:14-16); also, that he distinguishes between the law of faith and the law of works; and between Jews and Gentiles, or circumcision and uncircumcision, meaning by circumcision, Judaism, as everywhere else; and likewise from his summing up with these words:
Do we then abrogate the law through faith? Not so, but we establish the Law (Rom. 3:31).
 
He says all these things in one series (Romans 3:27-31); and he also says in the preceding chapter:
For not the hearers of the Law are justified by God, but the doers of the Law shall be justified (Rom. 3:13).

God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6).
 
We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, whether they be good or evil (2 Cor. 5:10).

Besides many other things from him; from which it is evident that Paul rejects faith without good works, equally with James (2:17-26).

Harry 8)

May you have a wonderful
Sunday as you worship Him
Who is your Life.

From Swedenborg:
 There are many reasons, as will be revealed in due course in the following pages, why Jehovah God could not redeem mankind, that is, rescue people from hell and damnation, except by taking upon Himself human form.

For redemption was the conquest of the hells and the ordering of the heavens, followed by the establishment of a church.

 This is something that God in His omnipotence could not do except through the Human, just as no one can work unless he has an arm. His Human is actually called in the Word 'Jehovah's arm' (Isa. 40:10; 53:1).

From myself: The Human whereby Jehovah God assumed in the world in order to carry out redemption is His right hand.

From Swedenborg:
Or just as no one can attack a fortified city and destroy the shrines of idols it contains, unless he has adequate means at his disposal.

It is plain too from the Word that in this Divine task God's omnipotence was exercised through His Human.

For God, who dwells in the inmost and thus purest parts, can in no other way penetrate to the outermost, in which the hells are, and so too were the people of that time; as, for comparison, the soul can do nothing without the body.

No one can defeat an enemy without coming in sight of them, or approaching and meeting them with some sort of weapons, such as pikes, shields or muskets.

 To effect redemption without the Human was as impossible for God as it is for a man to conquer the Indies without ferrying an army there in ships, or as making trees grow solely by supplying heat and light, without creating air to be the medium of their transmission or soil out of which they can grow.

Even better, it is as impossible as casting nets in the air to catch fish there, instead of in water.

 For Jehovah, such as He is in Himself, cannot by His omnipotence lay a finger upon any devil in hell, or any devil on earth, and restrain him and his fury, or tame his violence, unless He is present in last things as He is in first things.

He is present in last things in His Human, which is why He is called in the Word the First and the Last, Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End.

Harry
 

From Swedenborg:
That the whole Christian theology at this day is founded on an idea of three Gods, is evident from the doctrine of justification, which is the head of the doctrines of the church with Christians, both among Roman Catholics and Protestants.

 That doctrine sets forth that God the Father sent His Son to redeem and save men, and give the Holy Spirit to operate the same.

Every man who hears, reads, or repeats this, cannot but in his thought, that is, in his idea, divide God into three, and perceive that one God sent another, and operates by a third.

That the same thought of a Divine Trinity distinguished into three Persons, each whereof is God, is continued throughout the rest of the doctrinals of the present church, as from a head into its body, will be demonstrated in its proper place.

In the meantime consult what has been premised concerning justification, consult theology in general and in particular, and at the same time, consult yourself, while listening to preachings in temples, or while praying at home, whether you have any other perception and thought thence resulting than of three Gods,especially while you are praying or singing first to one, and then to the other two separately, as is often done.

Hence is established the truth of the proposition, that the whole theology in the Christian world at this day, is founded on an idea of three Gods.

Harry
 

From Swedenborg's writings:
 There are many reasons why God could redeem men, that is, could deliver them from damnation and hell, only by means of an assumed Human; which reasons shall be set forth in the following pages.

 Redemption consisted in subjugating the hells, restoring the heavens to order, and after this reestablishing a New Church; and this redemption God with His omnipotence could effect only by means of the Human.

It is only by means of an arm that one can work-in the Word (Isa. 40:10; 53:1) this Human of the Lord is called "the arm of Jehovah"-or as one can attack a fortified town and destroy the temples of idols therein only by means of intervening agencies.

 That it was by means of His Human that God had omnipotence in this Divine work, is also evident from the Word.

 For in no other way would it be possible for God who is in the inmost and thus in the purest things, to pass over to outmost things, in which the hells are, and in which the men of that time were, just as the soul can do nothing without a body, or as no one can conquer an enemy without coming in sight of him, or approaching and getting near to him with proper equipments, such as spears, shields, or muskets.

 It was as impossible for God to effect redemption without the Human as it would be for men to conquer the Indies without transporting soldiers there by means of ships, or as it would be to make trees grow by heat and light if the air through which these pass, or the soil from which the trees spring, had never been created; as impossible, in fact, as to catch fish by spreading nets in the air instead of in the water.

 For it is impossible for Jehovah, such as He is in Himself, by His omnipotence to get in contact with any devil in hell or any devil upon the earth, and restrain him and his fury and tame his violence, unless He be in things last as He is in things first.

 Because He is in things last in His Human, He is called in the Word "the First and the Last," "the Alpha and the Omega," "the Beginning and the End."

From myself: God's Divine Omnipotence through the Human is His right hand.


Harry
 

For those who are willing to learn.

The entire Holy Scripture, and all the doctrines therefrom of the churches in the Christian world, teach that there is a God and that He is one.

The entire Holy Scripture teaches that there is a God, because in its inmosts it is nothing but God, that is, it is nothing but the Divine that goes forth from God; for it was dictated by God.

From God nothing can go forth except what is God and is called Divine. This the Holy Scripture is in its inmosts.

But in its derivatives, which are below and from these inmosts, the Holy Scripture is adapted to the perception of angels and men.

The Divine is likewise in these derivatives, but in another form, in which it is called the celestial, spiritual, and natural Divine.

These are simply the draperies of God; for God Himself, such as He is in the inmosts of the Word, cannot be seen by any creature.

 For He said to Moses, when Moses prayed that he might see the glory of Jehovah, that no one can see God and live.

This is equally true of the inmosts of the Word, where God is in His very Being and Essence.

[2] Nevertheless, the Divine, which forms the inmost and is draped by things adapted to the perceptions of angels and men, beams forth like light through crystalline forms, although variously in accordance with the state of mind that man has formed for himself, either from God or from himself.

Before everyone who has formed the state of his mind from God the Holy Scripture stands like a mirror wherein he sees God, but everyone in his own way.

This mirror is made up of those truths that man learns from the Word, and that he appropriates by living in accordance with them.

From all this it is evident, in the first place, that the Holy Scripture is the fullness of God.

[3] That the Holy Scripture teaches not only that there is a God, but also that God is one,not three, can be seen from the truths which, as before stated, compose that mirror, in that they form a coherent whole and make it impossible for man to think of God except as one.

 In consequence of this, every person whose reason is imbued with any sanctity from the Word knows, as if from himself, that God is one, and feels it to be a sort of insanity to say that there are more.

The angels are unable to open their lips to utter the word "gods or three persons" for the heavenly aura in which they live resists it.

That God is one the Holy Scripture teaches, not only thus universally, as has been said, but also in many particular passages, as in the following:
 Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah (Deut. 6:4; also Mark 12:29).

Surely God is in thee, and beside Me there is no god (Isa. 45:14).

Am not I Jehovah? and there is no god besides me? (Isa. 45:21).
 
I am Jehovah thy God and thou shalt acknowledge no god beside Me (Hosea 13:4).

Thus saith Jehovah, the king of Israel, I am the First and the Last, and beside Me there is no god (Isa. 44:6).
 
 In that day Jehovah shall be king over all the earth; in that day Jehovah shall be one and His name one (Zech. 14:9).

From myself: The words in the Old Testament "In That Day" means a prophecy of Jehovah God Messiah's advent into this world.

Two times Jehovah God saided that He was the First and the Last, in Isa 44:6 and again in Revelation. One God saided it,not two.
Harry
 

To All,
In every person there is a soul and body. In the Lord the Soul and Body is the Father and Son. The Father and Son or the Divine and Human are one in Jesus Christ.

What rational mind, when it hears that before the creation of the world there were three Divine Persons, called the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, does not say within itself while thinking of them, "What is meant by a Son born from God the Father from eternity?

How could He be born? And what is the Holy Spirit proceeding from God the Father through the Son from eternity?

And how could He proceed and become God by Himself? Or how could a person beget a person from eternity? and both produce a person? Is not a person a person?

How can three Divine persons, in which each is God by himself, be conjoined into one God, otherwise than into one person?

And yet this is contrary to theology, and this to that. How can the Divinity be divided into three Persons, and yet not into three Gods, when yet each Person is God by himself?

How can the Divine essence, which is one, the same, and indivisible, fall into number, hence be either divided or multiplied?

How can three Divine persons be together and take counsel together in a non-extense of space, such as was before the world was created?

How, from Jehovah God, who is One, and thence Sole, Infinite, Immense, Eternal, and Omnipotent, could there be produced three equals to Himself?

How can a Trinity of persons be conceived of in the Unity of God, and the Unity of God in a Trinity of persons?

Besides the idea of plurality destroys the idea of unity, and vice versa. Perhaps it would have been possible for the Greeks and Romans also to unite all their gods into one, which were many, by identity only of essence."

The rational mind, in revolving and reflecting upon a Trinity of persons in the Divinity from eternity, might also consider of what use was it that a Son was born, and that the Holy Spirit went forth from the Father through the Son before the world was created?

Was there a use for three to hold council on how the universe should be created? And thus that three should create it? When yet the universe was created by the one God?

Neither was there occasion that the Son should redeem, when yet redemption was effected after the world was created, in the fulness of time; nor that the Holy Spirit should sanctify, because as yet there was no man to be sanctified.

Therefore if there were those uses in God's idea, still they were not [realized] before the creation of the world, but after it actually existed; from which it follows, that the Trinity from eternity was not a real Trinity, but ideal, and still more so is a Trinity of persons.

4. Who in the church, while reading the Athanasian Creed, is able to understand this? That it is of the Christian verity, that each Person by Himself is God, and yet that it is not lawful by the Catholic religion to account them three Gods?

Is not religion thus to him something other than truth? and that in truth three Persons are three Gods, but that from religion they are one God?

5.A trinity of persons in the Divinity before the world was created, did not come into the mind of any one from the time of Adam down to the advent of the Lord, as is clear from the Word of the Old Testament, and from histories concerning the religion of the ancients.

Neither did it come into the mind of the Apostles, as is evident from their writings in the Word.

Neither did it come into the mind of any one in the Apostolic Church, which was before the Council of Nice, as appears from the Apostles' Creed, in which no Son from eternity is mentioned, but a Son born from the Virgin Mary.

A Trinity of persons from eternity is not only above reason, but opposed to it. It is against reason that three persons created the universe.

That there were three persons, and each one is God to himself, and not three Gods but one, and then three persons and not one Person.

Will not the New Church about to come call this age of the old church benighted or barbarous, when they worshiped three Gods? Similarly irrational are those things which are derived from that Trinity.

A Trinity of persons in the Divinity from eternity was first taught by the Nicene Council, as appears from the two Creeds, the Nicene and the Athanasian. And afterwards it was received by the churches as the principal dogma, and as the head of the doctrines, after that time even to the present day.

There were two reasons why that Trinity was given forth by the Council of Nice; the first was, that they knew not how otherwise to dissipate the scandals of Arius, who denied the Divinity of the Lord; the other, because they did not understand what is written by the evangelist John (Chap. 1: 1, 2, 10, 14; 16. 28; 17. 5).

From myself: "And the Word was with God". With God, means, in God. For truth is in good, and good is in truth. Divine Truth and Divine Good are God's Divine Essence.

Harry  

F.Y.I.
Angelicman gave no background information on his thoughts.
Here is some info I found on the net. Still could not find any info on bible used.

The Lord's New Church is an organization dedicated to teaching esoteric Christianity--a Christianity that looks inward to the spiritual fellowship of humanity.

Sometimes called a "Swedenborgian Church," the Lord's New Church receives guidance from the Bible (Old and New Testaments) and the Theological Writings of Emanuel Swedenborg.


The New Church is not a building, an organization, an abstract philosopy, or a dogmatic creed. It is a new spiritual consciousness.

The symbol of this new spiritual consciousness is the woman clothed with the sun, from the book of Revelation.


Emanuel Swedenborg was born on 29 January 1688 in Stockholm, Sweden. The family was ennobled after his father, Jesper Swedberg, became Bishop of Skara. At the University of Uppsala, Swedenborg was educated in philosophy, mathematics, and science, as well as in Latin, Greek, and Hebrew.

In 1710, a year after completing his university training, Swedenborg began a period of travel, during which he studied physics, astronomy, and other natural sciences, as well as learning watchmaking, bookbinding, cabinetmaking, engraving, brass instrument making, and lens grinding. Over the next few years, he acquired all the knowledge that the early eighteenth century had to offer in the fields of cosmology, mathematics, anatomy, physiology, politics, economics, metallurgy, mineralogy, geology, mining engineering, and chemistry. He wrote extensively on many of these subjects, and was the first person to propound the nebular hypothesis of the solar system. He made numerous original discoveries in a wide variety of scientific disciplines (such as the functions of the cerebral cortex and the ductless glands, and the respiratory movement of the brain tissues), some of which have been confirmed only in the twentieth century. Swedenborg's inventive genius led him to develop plans for a glider-type airplane, a submarine, an air gun, a slow combustion stove, and a mercury air pump, among others.




Throughout the period of his scientific work, Swedenborg had always maintained his interest in spirituality. The aim of much of his research in human biology was to find a rational explanation for the operation of the soul.

During the years 1744 and 1745, Swedenborg experienced a series of visions which had a profound effect on him. Eventually, his spiritual senses were fully opened, and he was able consciously to exist simultaneously in both the natural and the spiritual worlds. He believed that he had been called by God to give a new revelation to humanity, and for the next twenty-seven years, until his death in London at the age of 84, he devoted himself almost exclusively to writing the thirty volumes of theological works which comprise that revelation. In the last month of his life, several of his friends asked Swedenborg to make a final statement regarding the veracity of what he had written. He replied: "I have written nothing but the truth, as you will have more and more confirmed all the days of your life, provided you keep close to the Lord and faithfully serve Him alone by shunning evils as sins against Him and diligently searching His Word, which from beginning to end bears incontestable witness to the truth of the doctrines I have delivered to the world."

Swedenborg himself never attempted to establish a separate ecclesiastical institution, but shortly after his death a small group of people in England organized the Church of the New Jerusalem, also known as the New Church, in order to study, preserve, and disseminate the teachings of the revelation that had been given through him. Today, there are New Church congregations throughout the world, and Swedenborg's theological writings have been translated into a large number of languages.

 

Matthew 14:33.  Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

 John16:7.  Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.


John 16:13.  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
 14.  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
 15.  All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


 John 17:5.  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.


 1 Timothy 2:5.  For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Titus 1:4.  To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.


1 John 5:5.  Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 6.  This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
 7.  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 8.  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 9.  If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
 10.  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
 11.  And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
 12.  He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.


Some truths about God, His Son, and His Holy Spirit.


 
 

Luke 1:30.  And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
 31.  And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
 32.  He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
 33.  And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 34.  Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
 35.  And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.


Luke 1:36.  And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
 37.  For with God nothing shall be impossible.
 38.  And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
 39.  And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
 40.  And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
 41.  And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

Luke 18:27.  And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

Hard to reason of yourself that God can be God the Father in Heaven, and God the Son on earth, and God the Holy spirit that eminates from all three. But God's word testifies to it!
So one can not use mans reasoning to fathom it, but believe God's word. Things that are impossible to men are possible with God. He is the "I AM". He reveals to us, through His Holy Spirit given to inspired men of God, His word, and says who and what He is! Uninspired man does not!

 
 Isaiah 25:9.  And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the Lord; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.


Isaiah 40

 1.  Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
 2.  Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.
 3.  The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
 4.  Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
 5.  And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
 6.  The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
 7.  The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the Lord bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
 8.  The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
 9.  O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
 10.  Behold, the Lord God will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
 11.  He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
 12.  Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
 13.  Who hath directed the spirit of the Lord, or being his counseller hath taught him?
 14.  With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
 15.  Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
 16.  And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.
 17.  All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
 18.  To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
 19.  The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
 20.  He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
 21.  Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
 22.  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
 23.  That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
 24.  Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
 25.  To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
 26.  Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
 27.  Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the Lord, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
 28.  Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
 29.  He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
 30.  Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
 31.  But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.


 

This scripture does not say what you say it says.
That which is born of Mary shall be called "the Son of God", but in other scripture which you also quoted He is refered to as "God withn us".


"of the Holy Spirit".


 Matthew 3

 1.  In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
 2.  And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 3.  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
 4.  And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
 5.  Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
 6.  And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
 7.  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
 8.  Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
 9.  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
 10.  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 11.  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
 12.  Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
 13.  Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
 14.  But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
 15.  And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
 16.  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
 17.  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

This chapter clearly reveals there is God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and His Holy Spirit.


Jehovah God is certainly not divided! He, His Son, and His Holy Spirit are one. It is man that divides.


1 John 5:7.  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 8.  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 9.  If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
 10.  He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

God refers in His word to Himself as such.


The human form in Christ is the temple of God in which lives His Spirit through which we mortify the deeds of our body.


1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Romans 8:13.  For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
 14.  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 John 2:22.  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23.  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
 24.  Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
 25.  And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Some serious truths from God about Himself and His Son.

 John 14:22.  Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
 23.  Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 24.  He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
 25.  These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
 26.  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 John 14:6.  "Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

If Jesus is the way, the truth,and the life,than why do Christians approach the Father first, instead of the Son.

Jesus saided,"If any man wishes to deny himself,let him take up the cross and follow Me." He did not say take up the cross and follow the Father, He saided,take up the cross and follow Me.

All prays and worship should go to Our Lord Jesus Christ, because He is the Father in the Human. The Father was always in Him since birth,as His Soul, and taught Him as He grew up and became Man.

What Jesus meant when these word were saided by Him:

"I am come from the Father" (John 8:42) - meaning the Body came forth from the Soul.

"The Son can do nothing of Himself, - but what He seeth the Father do" (John 5:19) - the Body can do nothing of Itself, but what it is directed to do by the Soul.

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matt. 16: 16) - The Messiah, the Body of the Infinite itself, which alone is Life-in-itself.

"This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased" (Matt. 3:17) - the Divine Body in which it pleased the Father to dwell while on earth.

"My Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) - the Soul is greater than the Body, since it directs it.

"No Man cometh unto the Father but by Me" (John 14:6) - Just as we cannot know a man's soul except insofar as his body reveals it.

 The only way we can have any idea of the Divine Soul is by means of the Divine Body, which was visible to man.

 "No man hath seen the Father at any time; the only Begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him" (John 1:18).

God gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish..." (John 3:16) This does not mean the Father sent a second person into the world. It means  the Father put on a Human Form,which is the Son of God, and become Man,as in Luke 1,when the angel spoke to Mary, and those who believe this will be saved.

Harry[/b]

In what way do Christians approach the Father before the Son? What are you saying?
True Christians come to God through Jesus Christ. He washes sins away and redeems one back to God through His shed, on the cross, blood.

 Romans 5:1.  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
 2.  By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
 3.  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
 4.  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
 5.  And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
 6.  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
 7.  For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
 8.  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
 9.  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 10.  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
 11.  And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
 12.  Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
 13.  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 14.  Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
 15.  But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
 16.  And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
 17.  For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
 18.  Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 19.  For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 20.  Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
 21.  That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 1 Corinthians 6:11.  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


 Ephesians 2:13.  But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
 14.  For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
 15.  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
 16.  And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
 17.  And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
 18.  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.


 Titus 3:3.  For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful,and hating one another.
 4.  But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
 5.  Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
 6.  Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
 7.  That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


 Hebrews 9:24.  For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
 25.  Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
 26.  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
 27.  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
 28.  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


 Revelation 1:5.  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,


Are you a follower of Swedenborg or of Jesus Christ? Does Swedenborg's thoughts agree with the word of God? Throw out the words of a mere man and listen and heed the word of God.

Swedenborg is just a man and is dead and in his grave, but Christ is alive and sits on the right side of God in Heaven having all power and authority in heaven and in earth. Christians are promised the eternal life from believing in, on, and of Him.

Take care,
Ollie




 
 

Angelic Man,
Joh 14:20  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Now if Jesus and the father are the same person then we must be the same person too, according to your line of thinking.

Joh 14:28  Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

If the Father and Jesus are the same person then what need is there for Jesus to go unto the Father. And who is the "I" of this verse? According to your thinking the "I" is only the body of God. Not logical!

Joh 16:23  And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

According to you, we are not to pray to the Father but to Jesus. But Jesus sings a different tune here.

Why not pray to the Father now in Jesus name and ask Him to cleanse you from the false teaching (doctrines of devils)? The Father loves you and has sent the Holy Spirit to lead you into all Truth. I urge you to do this today.

In Love,

asaph

 

The doctrine of three Divine persons, both in past and at the present day, has sprung solely from a failure to understand the Divine Esse.

The unity of God is inmostly inscribed on the mind of every man, since it lies at the center of all that flows from God into the soul of man,and yet it has not descended  into the human understanding, for the reason that the knowledges by which man must ascend to meet God have been lacking.

For everyone must prepare the way for God, that is, must prepare himself for reception.

This is done by means of knowledges. The knowledges that have been lacking, and that enable the understanding to penetrate far enough to see that God is one, and that a second person with the same Divine Esse is not possible.

Jehovah God saided, His glory He would not share with another.I Jehovah will give thee for a covenant to the people, for a light of the nations. I am Jehovah, that is My name, and My glory (Divinity)will I not give to another (Isa. 42:6, . This means Jehovah God the Father will not have another god like unto Himself,with the same Divine Esse.

Harry  

 

    Jehovah God is a triune God. Father, Son and Holy Spirit, always has been and always will be. One God, made up of 3 personalities.

    Jehovah God = Father, Son and Holy Spirit
    H²O = water, steam and ice

Water, steam, and ice are the three personalities of H²O
   
   Jehovah isn't just God the father who decided to make a son. Jesus is eternal, Jesus was not created, but is the creator, Jesus is Jehovah God as is the Holy Spirit.

    There was never a moment that Jesus was not God. There was never a moment when the Holy Spirit was not God.

    The personalities of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are Jehovah God and always were and always will be.

Genesis 1:26 "  26: And God said, Let us make man in our image..."

    Who is US? Us is God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In who's image were we made? God's image! Could Us be angels? No, because the verse above says OUR image, which is the image of God. For US to refer to God and the Angels, God couldn't have said OUR image but would have had to say my image to make clear we were not created in the image of angels as well.

    If US were angels then the verse would have to be written like this: And God said, let us make man in my image...in the singular not plural tense.

    God did not say that however, He said OUR image, Our image is the image of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

    We as people are made up of 3 personalities: Body, Mind, and Soul. Unlike God we are at war within ourselves. Our bodies crave that which destroys us, our souls are at war against our bodies. We were not created this way, this war between body, mind, and soul is a result of the Fall in the Garden.

    God was very careful in His wording in the Bible. The truth is in the words and careful study reveals truth. A misunderstanding of the words US and OUR in Genesis 1:26 have caused you to miss the truth completely. 26 verses into the Bible you missed a vital truth and the remainer of the Book is totally affected by your misunderstanding.

   Your interpretation of Genesis 1:26 has led you astray. You can try to justify it any way you like but the bottom line is you are argueing with what is clearly written. "Us" can not be Angels because "OUR" would have to be changed to the word "MY".

   Have a teachable spirit, and study verse 26 carefully, when you see that you are wrong, accept it. Don't try to ignore it, or explain it away. We were created different from angels so saying US and OUR refers to God and angels doesn't work.

   God is telling you He is not a single personality, He is plural, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

   Its not easy admitting you are wrong but it sure beats denying God and ending up in a lake of fire for eterity. Consider the options. Admit I'm wrong and find truth, or be stubborn and burn in hell. I hope you chose wisely!

                                                         Paul2