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Why don’t we have a Politics section? A whole section, with boards for World Politics, US Politics, Elections and Candidate, political Theory, Economy, the Media, etc, etc

Discussing politics makes many more enemies than friends.  (That is one of the truisms I've learned in my 49+ years on this earth.)

There is no such thing as a completely honest politician.  Period.

A "Christian Politician” is an oxymoron – no one can be both.  As much as I try to respect some of them (GWB comes to mind) they never fail to disappoint me.  Then there is JFK (John Franken Kerry) – claims to be Catholic but is pro-infanticide?  What greater bald-faced lie is there from anytime in history?  None.  

I’m not saying your idea is a bad one, Mr. Tibbs, but be prepared for things that will make the ‘Debate’ section read like minutes from a Sunday school class.  

I have learned that in my 46 years.

Amen JudgeNot

Talk about fire I hate to say this but, it would have to be moved to a war forum.
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:P Yeah.

I don't think we will have to worry about it hear. I think everyone is leaning a little to the right. Except for Sapph. He is a straight up Nazi. ;D Ah, Fascists are so cute at that age.




Actually, they teach that in University level American Politics courses now ;D That’s right, students with the money and/or intelligence to make it to a full University, your leaders of tomorrow, need a class to tell them Politicians lie. Ah, it's things like that that make me wish I believed in the Rapture. ;D

Discussing politics makes many more enemies than friends.  (That is one of the truisms I've learned in my 49+ years on this earth.)

I've learned that in my short sixteen years on this Earth.

I think everyone is leaning a little to the right. Except for Sapph. He is a straight up Nazi.

Tibby, that made me smile. But if I'm a Nazi, you're a Communist. Red.

i feel left out , i lean far to the right in the left state (the gay state) :'( we have barney franks and gary studds , ted kennedy and mike ducakas , john kerry as leaders.

Communist. hehe. You are so cute when you curse. Like a pet rightist. ;D

You are so cute when you curse.

Please, don't ever say "cute" again. It's...unnatural.

 
Hmmm - Nazis were the "Socialist" party (look it up) - that makes Nazis LEFT wing (liberal).  (There are actually an amazing number of similarities between Hitler's Party and the American liberal - but that is for the political thread that may never materialize.)

Since we agree Sapph is right of center - he certainly can't be a Nazi.  ;D   "NASCAR Redneck" may be closer...  :D

I don't know a lot about Sapph - but I can assure you he isn't "cute"...  ;)

Having fun yet  Judge?

The website MADE me do it!  
Has anyone else had problems earlier tonight?
(I mean with the website - NOT me.  ;D)

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"NASCAR Redneck" may be closer...

Yeah, we Illinoisans sure love watching 50 cars make left turns for three hours...it's our favorite pasttime.

I don't know a lot about Sapph - but I can assure you he isn't "cute"...

And I, who look at myself every day in the mirror, can assure YOU that you're wrong.

Why don’t we have a Politics section? A whole section, with boards for World Politics, US Politics, Elections and Candidate, political Theory, Economy, the Media, etc, etc


B/c politics is like sausage.  You don't wanna see how it's made.

   
     :-\

43 cars are on the track, except before quailfying. The Trucks have 36 on the track.  :P

;D

Your absolutely right. I know Ive met some great people in my life, as soon as politics start and ya'l don't see eye to eye per say, the next thing you know you are in a screaming match & they hate you, lol. Seems silly, but it's true. I myself love talking politics. I like to debate too, not argue :)

This is one of the things I have learned as well.

Nice try, Judge Not, but Nazi’s are fascists, and Fascism is right-wing socialism. You are correct by saying Nazi’s are Socialist, however, that doesn’t necessarily make them Leftist.

Nazi’s are a lot of things, but Leftist isn’t one of them.

Nice try, Judge Not, but Nazi’s are fascists, and Fascism is right-wing socialism.

Socialism is leftist, however. Here, I'll make a chart for you (NOTE: Look at this chart under your reply to see it correctly.):
        LEFT                                                 RIGHT          
                                        |
{Socialism}-------------------|-----------------{Capitalism}
[Left-wing]<--->[Right-wing]|[Left-wing]<--->[Right-wing]
                            Fascism |Democrats         Republicans
                             (Nazi)    |
                                        |



See? Naziism still leftist, even if it's a right-wing party. QED.

Sapph -
For your chart to work, one would have to have two left hands and two right hands.

That's OK - I get your point.  Also the chart seems to show that the capitalist liberal party is much closer to fascism that the capitalist conservative party.

Bottom line:  Any political party can be "fascist" if they have unchecked control.

JN
PS: You're pretty good with your politics for your age ;)

Who calls who "un-American"," unpatriotic" for disagreeing with the powers that be? They are the true fascists emerging in America today. It is how Hitler got control of Germany in many respects. By convincing the Germans, "his way or no way".
Seem familiar? That way should not be in free America.

Nazi’s are a leftist righ-wing party? Sounds more like Rightist Propaganda in an attempt to disassociate the Right-wingers from Nazi’s. ::)

What are you trying to say Ollie? ;)

When you get so extreme either way, left or right, is there really any difference?

We have simultaneous examples with the rise of Hitler in the 1930s, at the very same time Josef Stalin--at least in the name of the other extreme--was pulling his stunts, and on an even much "grander" scale than Hitler--some 48 million died at the hand of Stalin?  And the Nazis and the Russians were arch enemies--but the Russians far outpacing the Nazis(the advancing Russians crucified Polish or German women to the sides of barns on the westward march to Berlin, according to Solzhenytzin).  Not to exhonerate the Nazis by any means, it's just that either extreme resulted in the same end?

It's been mentioned that such western experiments in socialism, as in France, began to cool their heels a little after Solznytizin's tome of a testimony, The Gulag Archipeligo, was smuggled out of the USSR in the early 70s.  It's obvious no one has learned a lesson though, since now we're on the cusp of world socialism.  But whether "liberal" or "conservative", it hardly seems to matter.  I mean, couldn't you really argue that animal rights or greenpeace folk are really conservative, since they want to protect and "conserve" our natural resources(supposedly  ::))?

And in the same vein, couldn't you argue Jesus' conservatism or liberality either way?  I mean, isn't it Jesus' "liberality" that arguablly got him into so much trouble--healing and feeding whole crowds of people, and charging them nothing?  I mean, Jesus, of all people, is a literal poster boy for the liberal cause.  Liberals are always preaching toprovide for all the poor, for, um, ahem, *free*(though Jesus didn't take from anyone else in order to accomplish his deeds(called, ahem, taxes, or, ahem, confiscation, a pesky little point the liberals, hehe, will conveniently "leave out".  :-X ).

So "politics" is just a graphic analysis of man's inability to get along with man, since worldly politics always disintegrates ultimately into confrontation and disenfranchisement.

I believe this post has proven the point for me. We Need a politics board!

Nazis:  Hitler was an animal lover and a vegetarian.  
Liberals:  PETA and.................

Nazis:  Banned then burned books that were not “in line” with their ideology.
Liberals:  Have banned such books as Tom Sawyer from public schools, and have labeled any other writings that doesn’t meet their ideology as ‘hate speech’ – including the Bible.

Nazis:  Believed in a superior race.
Liberals:  Believe in a superior race.  (As evidenced by race quotas, if you will, because ‘they’ are not capable of taking care of themselves so ‘we’ must take care of ‘them’ so ‘they’ owe their souls to ‘us’.)

Nazis:  Kill the sub-human Jews.  (6,000,000 Jews murdered.)
Liberals:  Kill the sub-human fetus.  (Since 1973 – 31,000,000 babies murdered and counting.)

Nazis:  No tolerance for disagreement – they are smarter than anyone else.
Liberals:  Preach tolerance, but do not tolerate disagreement – they are smarter than anyone else.

Nazis:  Only through our social system will we have true euphoria on earth.
Liberals:  Only through our social system will we have true euphoria on earth.

Nazis:  Religious systems are sociological poison.
Liberals:  Religious systems are sociological poison.

I could go on….

Lord Jesus - we pray you come soon.
JN

WOW!!! Wonderful idea Tibby, I am sure you know alot about Politics just like you know sooooo much about the Bible.  :)

Brother Love :)

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Oh, my bad, I had no idea being an animal lover made you a Lib ::) I guess only the Libs can love Animals, right?



And of course, Christians never do anything of this nature.  ::) Never hold bonfires to burn CDs and books. Never have books banned from school libraries. Never keep their child from reading this particular book or that particular book. Never try to keep valid Scientific thoeries from being taugh in schools. Yeah, Conserv's are all about free speech, as long as the speech argees with them. We are nothing like The libs or the Nazi's in that aspect. ::)



Yeah, Libs are the only ones with Racists in their bunch, too. You see TONS of Neo-Nazi libs and KKK libs and ANP libs, don't you? ::)



You cannot group all Pro-choicers as libs, nor can you group all libs as pro-choice. I know a number of pro-choice Conserv's. Conserv's are normally the ones that support wars, by the way.



Yeah, Conserv's are know for their tolerance of others beliefs. Next anti-Catholic I meet (an I meet a lot) I'll ask him if he is a Conserv or a Lib. Next Conservative 7 day young earth creationist I meet, I'll ask him how be feels about my thoughts in Evolution. Next time I see a Conserv, I will ask him his thoughts in the Lib veiw points. Lets see how Tolerant they are.



The belief that "Do what I say and the world will be perfect" is only held by the left?



Of course, their arn't any Conservs who hold this veiw, either. ::)



You make some good points, but most of the things that the Libs have in Common with Nazi's is also something we find in the Conserv's. These arn't Ideological problems, they are human problems. Nazi's did do some very lib things. Just look at Nazi's Germany's Gun controll laws. Then again, they where in the middle of a war, but still...


BL- You know, I like you, bro. As long as you are around, it doesn't matter how little I know about a topic, because there will always be some who knows less. ;)

"What are you trying to say Ollie?"  
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RUSH is a liberal    :P

Ha-ha-ha!  :D
Tibby, Dear Brother - you were born...what...under the Reagan administration?  You are 20 and majoring in political science?  Ha-ha-ha!  :D

I will respect your right to have an opinion - but until that opinion matures another 20 years or so - I don't have to respect the opinon itself!  :P

(No one should be allowed to vote until they are at least 35 - except for Sapph.  Until then they have no real grasp of reality - only brainwashed definitions of Euphoria.)  :-X

Oh - here's a  ::) right back atcha, young man.   ;D

Another thing (as long as I'm running off at the keyboard  :) ) - Yes - I love all of God's creations and treat them with the respect God expects of us.  But if PETA had their way - you would be owned by your 'animal companion', and never again eat meat or drink milk or eat an egg or squash a cockroach because it would mean an on-the-spot death penalty.  If you don't understand that - then you need to do a lot more research into "radical animal rights fronts".  They blow things up and kill people to try to get their point across.  But - of course, to you, that's not fascist.

It's all about control, Tib, all about control.

The only control over me I will accept is by Jesus Christ the Lord - not some snot-nosed young know-it-all greenpeace fascist.  (Not that I believe you are one - but you have to learn to realize they are really there - they are not a figment of a paranoid mind.)  But, hey - just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean "they" aren't after me.  ;D

When you mature double what you are now, have a family to take care of (mouths to feed other than your own) everything will appear to you in a WHOLE different light.  That, my friend, is a guarantee.

Kids now days are so cute.

I just don’t believe in “plankeyeing" things, sorry. ;D

Instead of joking about my age, implying that my age is directly proportionate to the validity of my opinion, why don’t you tell us what is wrong with my reply to your post! :P

I don’t see how not having a family makes your points any more valid. ;D

Nazis: Hitler believes because he was white, his points are more valid then those darker.
Judge not: She believes because she is older, her point are valid then those younger.
:P ;D

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BL- You know, I like you, bro. As long as you are around, it doesn't matter how little I know about a topic, because there will always be some who knows less. ;)

 :'(

Euphoria in America:

Outsource the manufacturing base.

Eliminate all work.

Give all enough money to buy the outsourced products.

But, then where will that money come from if there is no manufacturing base or workforce base to pay a income tax base?


Ollie   :'(

When i was  young Americans did not HAVE to carry ID

 A freedom lost


When i was young parents not the state had control of the children

A freedom lost


When i was young freedom of speech was not clouded by political correctness/hate crimes


when i was young the law could not sieze ones property

a freedom lost

when i was young everyone did not NEED a S/S number

freedom lost


 Justa few freedoms lost listed here there are more  I am 57  I see these and other freedoms lost to the state under the guise of  the state DOING something for you.


To you Tibby  :).  Have you ever listened to Dr. Allen Keyes? I picked him, to ask you  about, because he is a Catholic, and a true American statesman.  

Yeah, but when you where young, you going to the bathroom involves shoes and a lantern, You didn't have cars, but you have to feed and water the horse if you wanted to take it out Saterday night, School only taugh up to the 3rd grade and the blues and Grays fought right in your front yard. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

What do you mean by carry IDs? Do you mean drivers licenses?

Yeah, Alan, Sean, Bill. All Catholics, all with Conservative talk shows. My Hero’s. I didn’t find out untill recently that Alan WAS a Catholic, actaully. In fact, hasn't it you who told me? Either way, it is really cool. ;D Rush is a Methodist, too, by the way. ;D

Yes Tibby Drivers licences  and i am not all that old  >:(  many of these changes have happened in the last 30 years...



Rush is a republican. Republican does not always= conservative.

When i was first old enough to vote i regestered as a democrate. I just knew Bobby Kennedy would save the USA..Did he save it by killing MM?

As i paid a few more taxes and watched the growing power of  government   i  regerested as  'decline to state'

time goes on and i regester as republican. I have  'written in' Dr. Keyes on the last 2 elections....

because i dont care for the liberals within the republican party i will regerester under the  Constitution party  the next time i am in town..

other than the Republicans standing for life ( which is the single most importiant issue) they are too much like the demorats for me...

Joking??  Whose Joking???  :)

I disagree your opinion - that's what's wrong with it!

Ah, politics.  You don't have to have a good opinion, just an opinion.  ;D

Oh - I was serious about voting age being 35.  Also: anyone on the government dole (bureaucrats, welfare recipients, prison inmates, college students on grants) shouldn’t get a vote either!  How do you like them apples!?
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That is true, but why do you think Rush a Liberal? He isn't Hard-line right-wing, but I don't know if I would go so far as to call him a liberal. He is proud of his Conservative status.



Go libertarian! ;D



lol, cute name. Or as one of my Professors son calls them “Democrap” ;D

FOOD STAMP PROGRAM

some one is paid to disign the food stamps

others  are paid to print them

still yet some one is paid to distribute them

some one has to do the paper work to see if clinits are qualified
 some others are paid to over see the whole program..


;how many $$$ are spent on the business end  that could be given directly to the needy?

The local baptist church here has a great food closet.

The food is distrubited with out any over head.   Christians messed up when they allowed the government to take over  the only pure religion the scriptures speak of.

James 1:27
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
KJV


  I dont need a game thread to RANT   ;D

I think this whole thread represents the exact reason we don't have a Politics forum, nor ever will.

AND THE WINNER IS.... SAPPH!
I wondered how many 'over the top' posts I would have to make before someone finally figured it out!!!
Sapph - you continue to amaze me...
JN

"lol, cute name. Or as one of my Professors son calls them Democrap"
Does the 'democrap" go into the "republican"?(http://memeart.tripod.com/smileyflag.gif)

AND THE WINNER IS.... SAPPH!

Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the "Sapph" to be blue? Just a thought...

Sapph - you continue to amaze me...

Heh heh, yeah...

Hehe  that is one  i have not heard  ;D
 

 

That was one I never want to hear again!

Ditto

TIBBY'S the Nazi!!!!!

For you:

PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) is very provocative in its media campaign about milk, but it is correct in its mesage. Beer is indeed better than milk for health, as are both wine and distilled spirits.
Not only do beer wine and spirits all have fewer calories and less sodium than milk, but none has any fat or cholesterol, with which milk is loaded. And while milk is associated with weight gain, alcohol beverages are not.

http://www.drafthorsejournal.com/humor/baxter04/baxter04.htm

http://www.milksucks.com/beersurvey.html

http://www.unb.ca/web/bruns/9900/issue22/nuts/beer.html

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol-info/HealthIssues/1055512101.html

 ;D Mmm, got my 'milk mustache' on!

Um… Right…

Are you sure CU only has one?

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can you believe the pope scolding george bush, the pot calling the kettle black?

 
 
"That was one I never want to hear again!"

Hmmmm?   ::)

How so?

i know your not going to like this tibby, but we had a catholic priest sex scandal in boston. that went on for 4 decades, and our cardinal law and his predisesors new about it and thats a fact they shuffled these child abusers all over the place so they could do it again some-place else. the pope see it as a boston problem. did nothing about it and accually rewarded law with a cream puff job in the vatican.

then he has the gol to give g bush a blasting on how our soldiers treated prisoners.  sorry hes lost all my respect and most catholics in boston.

You’re right, I won’t like it! You can stop right there. I personally know a priest how had a problem. One accusation that was later recanted, and admitted to be a lie, that happened over 40 years ago, before he even was a priest. Now, the most he can do are weddings and funerals at the request of someone. They took his church away, and he will never work except under another priest again, if they even let him work in a church. This priest has been a friend of the families since he was a priest, and was my Grandparents priest for 40 years before this problem. One lie, and his life is destroyed. The only "facts" we know are the "facts" the media gives. A full frontal hug is sexual harassment, did you know that? We don't know the whole story, we know what the media can tell us in 2 minutes, without any evidence other then what someone said.

As for the blasting, well, first of all, I agree, it isn't fair to blame Bush for the solders, but I would hardly call what the Pope said to be a blast.

Which is which or who is who?

well tibby i see this one different if you have followed whats going on in boston many a few have been proven, to have sexually abused children. now im very friendly with 2 preist one is accused , and i love this guy but, that doesnt exuse the actions of the cardinal. and just because the boston globe and liberal tv outlets love this and feed on it . doesnt mean that it didnt happen because it did. and i hate the liberal media. next my preist whom is friendly with me also blames cardinal law for the cover up. makeing all of them looking bad.

tibby i know were your comeing from , and i respect that . but im angry with rome and its leaders for not helping the good preist and their parisheners in boston. they just closed 65 churches and 10 schools in our area in one month. to pay for law suits from the sex scandal. they are selling all their properties and auctioning off windows and pews.

the catholic church is a mess up here. i went to a meeting last week for 2hrs people were crying my family included its gut wrenching

with love butch

I hear what you are saying, but what do you want them to do? They need money. They sold the Bishops house already and everything. It is the prefect scam. Who has the courage to tell an alleged abuse victim you think they are lying? No one. And once everyone found out you can get money and/or get back at your Priest, many of them just at the chance.

Same thing happened to the Army a few years back. They opened a rape crisis hotline, but closed it down in less then a year. All the women where getting back as their COs. And of course, the ACLU owned judges and Lawyers jumped at the chance to deal a blow to Christians. The ACLU and Anti-Catholics are destroying Christianity. Get mad at them.

How about getting mad at the child molesters.

"The ACLU and Anti-Catholics are destroying Christianity."

The dialectic that Satin uses is to create a debate in which untruth debates untruth to determine a falsehood that appears as truth, thereby deceiving all and sending everyone involved down the primrose path to the "lake of fire" thinking they are heaven bound.

Ollie

is that true?

Nah, Ollie is just bitter. Don’t mind him. ;)

I would, Reba, but thanks to the posers, I don’t know who really is one! >:(

Tibby,

You love your church  :) because you do dont hide your head in the sand, about  ANY proplem she may have. If we  refuse to see the cancer it will kill.

Well, it isn't my church, as I have said before. I love and respect the RCC, and do consider the Pope to be the "Greatest among equals" of the Bishops, and do believe valid apostolic succession is a requirement for a true Elder of the church, etc, etc, but, as I have previously stated, my mass is attended in a CEC church.

Rome does have some problems, I will admit that. They have issue that I am totally against. But for some reason, those are the ones the Anti-Catholics hardly ever attacks. They seem to be more incline to make up lies about worshipping saints and resacrificing Jesus.  ::)

Yes, there is a problem with pedophilea. However, I do not for one second think every single priest is guilt. I’m willing to bet over half of the priest are innocent. Of course, now their lives have been destroyed and their parishes have been dismantled, leaving hundreds, if not thousands without a home church, and for what? Even the parishes without these problems are being shut down to help pay for the gross over compensation for these lawsuits, and the court fees, and all of that. If you are angry at the Catholic Church, you have a right to be, but do you really believe it is a logical assumption that that massive amount of holy men ALL committed sexual acts of that nature? If you are Christian, you know this is wrong, and I don’t think that many holy men, in that small area ALL behave this way?

 CEC church.? I dont have a clue Mr. Tibbs

Holy men would not commit such acts men are not holy apart from God. Pedophiles place them selfs in places where they can 'get' kids they seek postions out, like priest, pastors coaches, Sunday school teachers, boy scout leaders. Has every single priest been charged ? The evil priests are evil.  Same as evil pastors etc. From personal experience molestation is not a catholic problem. The RCC is not at falt because of what the priest did but because they covered it up.  The name that comes to mind quickly is Jimmy Swaggart he got cought messin with prositutes the AofG took his papers as they should have.  Had they not taken his papers they would be as guilty as js.

Reba speaks volumes in one (looooooong) thought with little puctuation.

Reba - you remind me of Paul - the apostle whose sentences never end.  Must be 'sign'.  ;D

PS - That is a complement - something I rarely have for x-wives.   ;D

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Oklahoma Howdy to Reba,

SISTER, that was great! Can I quote it if I give you the proper credit?   ;D

Love In Christ,
Tom

CEC. It is my denomination. Website on my profile. I am like Ebia in that, while I am not Roman, I attend I highly liturgical church, and I’m close enough to RCC and Parishioners and clergy of the Rome Church that I know the truth from the lies spread by others who claim to be Christian, but have had little or no contact with the RCC. But, this is beside the point, I guess. The point is, I'm not Roman Catholic. :)

Do you know what kind of gauntlet you are required to go through to be a priest? There are easier ways for a pedophile to get to children. I don’t think these Priests become priests for that reason. If they where just trying to get close to little children, there are a lot easier ways then that. I think it so something that happens to them along the way (or something that didn’t happen to them before they started).

Agreed.

and the book, chapter, verse is? ::)

"Nah, Ollie is just bitter. Don't mind him. ;)"

Proverbs 14:8.  The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit.
 9.  Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour.
 10.  The heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy.
 11.  The house of the wicked shall be overthrown: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
 

Isaiah 5:20.  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


Olliveszky   (http://memeart.tripod.com/smileysm9.gif)

It is a personal observation of many pseudo Christian and worldly organization's discussions and debates with one another and each other.

Ollie

wow you guys were married? ;D

:D

He didn't say it was HIS x-wife.

If you push a democrat hard enough you get a communist - if you push a republican hard enough you get a nazi.

Will Rodgers was invited to the White House and was told he could not discuss Sex, Religion or Politics and he told them he wasn't coming.

"If you push a democrat hard enough you get a communist - if you push a republican hard enough you get a nazi."

 ;D

Below is the Fascist (Nazi) Manifesto of Italy. (Complements of Vox Day, Christian columnist.)
Read it over then ask yourself: "Self", you ask, "Does this more closely resemble the American liberal's beliefs, or the American conservative's beliefs?"

The Manifesto of the Fascist Struggle, published in The People of Italy on June 6, 1919.

Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, strongly innovative and against prejudice.

For the political problem: We demand:

a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.

b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.

c) The abolition of the Senate.

d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.

e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

For the social problems: We demand:

a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.

b) A minimum wage.

c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.

d) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.

e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.

f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.

For the military problem: We demand:

a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.

b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.

c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.

For the financial problem: We demand:

a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.

b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.

c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

You're not comparing like with like.  A manifesto is a glorified advertising brochure, designed to sell the party to the electorate, not to describe what the party stands for, let alone what its leaders actually believe.

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When has that ever NOT been true of any party platform?
 ;D

(Or used car dealer, or insurance salesman...)  :D

"Does this more closely resemble the American liberal's beliefs, or the American conservative's beliefs?""

Neither.

I was thinking of the original Nazi party not modern versions of it.  Anyone who has read any of Hitlers writings would know that he hated the communists and would never consider putting the two parties on the same extreme of the political spectrum.

Of course my statement was also done with my tongue firmly in my cheek so I wouldn't think of pushing the analogy too far.

Exactly my reason for posting the Italian version of the Fascist Manifesto.  All of you have summed it up nicely!  You each get a 'A' for the class!  ;D

When discussing politics, you are:
A) denouncing a proven liar
B) defending a proven liar
C) All of the above!

Ha-ha!  In politics the best liar wins!   ;D

(Ahem... except of course, for the Constitution Party!)  :-X

Yours in Christ,
JN

PS:  Oh - and be very careful about defending too adamantly - it may make your true colors shine through!  

;D

Tibby we all know how much you know about being a believer, and how much you understand the Word of God (THE BIBLE), do you really want us to know how much you know about Politics?????  :)


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Sure, why not? Just one more thing for me to out do you in. :P :)