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Anyone in to Martial Arts of any kind? Bxoing, Wrestling, Karate, Judo, anything?

Tae Kwon Do.

How long have you been in it? Every go to torunaments?

Actually I'm practicing privately now because I moved. My instructor didn't have us participate in tournaments because it conflicted with his philosophy of martial arts. He was also worried about injuries because of the money involved. So I never did. I'm excited for other people who participate; it must be very exciting! But out of loyalty to my instructor I probably won't. I'm trying to find a good school where I live that teaches Chung Do Kwon Tae Kwon Do, but I don't think I'll ever find the kind of instructor I had. He was top quality.

How about you? What do you do?

I used to box. That is how I got into weightlifting, which I love. I did Karate for a while, too. I give Kick Boxing a try, it was fun, but I'm not a big fan of kicking. I've always been able to put more power and force into my punches with out going off balance. I guess my Boxing just go me used to using my hands. Now, I'm trying my hand at Jiujutsu, and I love it, more then ANY other fighting sport. The Problem with Karate is it takes out a lot of grappling. It still has a little for self defense, but not much. Some arts have no Grappling at all, they tell their students to shove the grappler way and kick him! But then again, I take all my martial Arts mainly for the sports aspect of it, not Self Defense. I'm sorry if this sound cocky, but my muscular build scares off more would be attackers.

I went to the Jujutsu school I'm going to know because it does a lot of Judo Training. I like to watch Sumo Wrestling, which is a lot like Judo in Practice. Many think it is just shoving the foe out of the ring, it isn't. They Practice many, many throws, which is what I'm really enjoying. I LOVE to throw. I think it is fun to be thrown and throw, and my body is made for it. I'm short (around 5'4") with shoulder very board from Boxing and weightlifting, so it makes throws easy for me. My 6'4" Sensei has to squat down to pick me up and throw me, I just have to run under him and BAM, he is on his back, lol. Don't get me wrong, he can kill me, but talk a guy his size with the same skill level as me, and I'll make fast work of him! It is great.

Anyways, you get the idea, I'm into a lot of Martial Arts. But I don't believe in sports fighting. My belief is that fighting skill is a power, a power with 2 purposes. One, as a sport against OTHER skilled fighters, and two, to defend those without such power against those who choose to misuse their power.

It is great that your respect your Master so, but I'd advise going to another school. Give judo a try, or Aikido. Not that you have TKD (a striking art) down, you might want to give a Grappling art a try, just to come full circle. Beside, I've found I learn different things from my Karate, Boxing, and Kick Boxing masters. Just like in Christianity, no master is infallible with the fighting arts. They al have a piece to add. The more you learn and objectively look at, the better you will become. I’m not trying to give you off of TKD, I just think you might want to give a few months at another school to get a different view at Martial Arts. I mean, it is called MARTIAL, meaning war-like, it is fighting sport, injury is a part of it. Try to avoid injury, but don’t fear it. It happens to the best.

Yes! I've been wanting to try Aikido for a long while. I like it because it uses the opponent's own energy to turn him away. The thing about Tae Kwon Do is that it is very powerful, being mostly comprised of kicks. Pretty good thing for women and people without a lot of strength, but if you have to use a technique the other guy is really in for a strong technique, and I'm not sure I always would want to resort to that in a self-defense situation. We had some instructors who had some training in karate, so we did learn a few other techniques, but you're right; I'd like to have a broader range of experience and more options.

Our instructor was very good. He wanted to teach us philosophy of the art as well as the technique. He was worried we would learn different habits from other instructors, and he liked nurturing our spirit toward the art and how we used it. The first thing he taught us was the motto of the masters, even before we learned how to respect the uniform, the Do Jung, or even him. It seemed important, and I certainly thought it was:

I come to you in peace and brotherly love for I carry no weapon. But in defense of my God, my country, my loved ones or my honor, these are my weapons: my empty hands and feet.

Yeah, guess I better start looking for a new school. Bummer.

Yes, that is what a lot of my master are like. They Believe training the Character is just as important as training the body. I current master (The Jiujutsu one) goes as far as to say if you can’t see a change in someone from the time they are white belts to the time they are black belts, they are not True masters!

I have to agree, I could tell some stories about Powerlifting to you. At the risk of sounding like a Jedi Master, I have to admit it is all in your head. YOU choose to do it or not. “Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.” That is true. It isn’t some mystic martial arts secret, this is simple sport physiology.

That is true, I’m am not trying to assume anything, but I’m guessing you are a smaller person. DO you think you can get into a kicking match with a 350 Muay Thai Master? That is the problem with women in Karate and Tea Kwon Do, they are great arts, but they are muscle arts. Aikido is like Jiujutsu, with less strength. I’ve seen it, it is great. And the masters of that art are deadly. With those baggy clothes, you never know where the feet are going to land. I have to agree with my Kick Boxing sparring partner, when he humorously (and accidentally) said “Never fight a Aikido Master with his pants on.” lol. You should give Aikido a try, tell me what is it like. Loyalty for your master is admirable, but remember what I said about different styles having a different piece of the puzzle. Have fun!  ;D That is, after all, the most important.

The inertia aspect of Aikido certainly is tempting. You must be a really great fighter with all those arts under your belt. You must have started young! Have you tried chucks or anything?

Yeah, Jiujutsu has a lot of it, too, the using your foes force against himself.When he swings, let him swings, when he knocks, open the door, and see him our the back.

Never really got into the numchucks, but I make up for it with plenty of Sword and Staff styles. I like them because 9 times out of ten, you are going to get something like a pool cue or a broom stick, or my trusty telescoping baton, these things similar to swords and staffs. How many weapons can you find on hand that resemble chucks? I used to work for a Ren Faire, and we learned fencings, and I was a part of Amtgard, a sword fighting reenactments group. On top of that, my Master in Ishenryu (sp?) karate taught an Escreama class (Which his a Philippino sword style) right after Karate, and I stayed a few times, learned some moves. One day, if I ever find a school, I hope to give Kendo a shot. It looks like lots of fun! But anyways, no, never spend much time with the chucks are 3 secton staff or any of that.

My experience with chucks is limited to one really good knock in the head. I know you're supposed to use the trainers first, but I didn't have any, and I was gung ho! I want to do the chucks for the irrational reason that they're wierd. That's it. No other reason. They're wierd, and there's the challenge of not knocking yourself out cold when you're learning. Is that crazy? (Well, don't answer that!  :) )

I know someone who did the staff. What art is that? She was in our class, but no one knew it but her. She warmed up with it and I thought it was cool. That is a really good point about the practicality, though. The staff is a lot more practical because you can grab something similar to use if the need ever arose. For the chucks I guess I could remove my shoes and tie the laces together!  ;)

I also practice Tae Kwon Do. I enjoy it immensely, but the self-defense application requires a tremendous amount of self-control -- a perfectly executed technique in TKD will either break someone's bones or kill them.  :-\

While it does emphasize kicks over other techniques, it sometimes gets a bad rap from other martial artists; we don't have much use for the high, flashy kicks (at least not in my school) except for demonstrations. The flying kicks were originally created to allow Korean warriors to kick Samurai invaders off of their horses. I still prefer kicking over punching, though, probably because my training has made my legs stronger, faster, and more accurate than my arms.

How long have you trained in TKD, Whitehorse? Do your katas include the tae guk forms of the WTF or the ITF forms (Chon Ji, Tan Gun, etc.)?

The Staff is every Art. Kung Fu, Aikido, Karate, Jiujutsu, NinJustsu, they all practice the Staff. We even did a little staff at the Ren Faire. Aisde from the sword, it is in doubt the most popular weapon world wide. I mean, think about how useful it is. You can bash an attacker over the head with it, but you can also use it to keep balance while walking or hiking, you can herd cattle and sheep with it, you can reach things higher then your arms can reach with it. It is so much more then a weapon, no wonder everyone from both the east and the west use them!

Neo, yeah, Most every Master I’ve had bashes TKD. My Jiujutsu master right now took Juijutsu from Korean master who also taught TKD, and he bad mouths it every chance. My Karate master had a student in our class who took TKD from one of the largest Martial Arts School in the Area, and he showed her much better ways for self-defense. When a Karate man is showing you how to grapple, you know your Martial art education is missing something! lol Most of the TKD schools I’ve seen are a rip, but hey, if it is good enough for Vann Dam, it is good enough for me! lol For real, TKD does get a bad rap for being “pretty” and not practical. The basic kicks are the same kick you learn in Karate or Kung Fu! The main problem I’ve had, from the amount of TKD I’ve seen, the most grappling they do is “if you opponent gets to close, shove him away and kick him.” That is fine if you are in it for a sport, or if you are a 350 lbs, 7 foot block of muscle, but what if we are talking about a 90 lbs weakling or a lady? A kicking match is the last thing you want to do!
 
I’ve never heard about the Hwarang using jump kicks used to take down mounted opponents. That is very interesting.

Hi, Neo!

Yes, TKD is very powerful. It does take a lot longer to master control as you say, because even the kicks are performed differently from karate. The karate kicks are powered from the knee. So that's really a more gentle kick, which is fine if that's all you need. But there may be an occasion where you really do need a TKD kick. The balance is maintained by slight differences in positioning, and yes, we do need a lot more control because where does the power come from? Not the knee, but the hip. So, the force of your whole body goes into that. So it's good for a difficult attacker, or for those without a lot of bulk or strength.

We used tae guk up to ee chung, then switched to paul gae. We kept that the rest of the way up. But thery're so similar, though, and having the ill chung and ee chung really made for a smoother transition IMHO. What did you guys use?

Karate uses Crescent kicks and other such kicks that draw from the hips, as well kicks that allow for better aim by using from the knees. TKD doesn’t use Snap kicks and roundhouses? The problem IS power. Who has to. What if we are talking about a tough as nails Army Ranger who is picking the fight? A kick from a part time Martial Artist? He will laugh and toss you to the ground.

The crescent kick we lead from the hip as well. That's what makes balance so crucial, and difficult to master at first. We *lead* from the hip: I'm not saying we didn't use the knee; we didn't *lead* from the knee. Makes a big difference. But that's where you don't have the spin to create inertia. When you do this, you do lead from the shoulder, but that creates the inertia to bring more power to your hip. Power isn't the problem; it's a lack of knowledge. So if you're up against gruff, that's precisely when you need that power.

So thare!  :)

Exactly, now you get what I am saying. Power IS the problem, lack of power, that is. Take Sumo wrestlers, they are used to having guys just has big as they are hurl all there body weight at them, they are used to picking up and slamming over 300 lbs into the clay. Do you think you can produce the “power” to take him out? In kick Boxing, REAL Kick Boxing, not the cardio-crap, they take hits from guys who train daily to hit with the force to KO, do you think you can produce the power to take him out? TKD and Karate are great for Pro Warriors and fighters who spend all day training, but can the average person produce the power needed to defend against these monsters? Lets look at the UFC, the many of the Karate and TKD guys can’t even hold there own against the opponents in the octagon, and they spend countless hours training!

Don’t get me wrong, TKD and Karate have there place in a Fighters arsenal, but one of these styles alone… nah, not a chance, not against someone more powerfull.

 >:(

I happen to like my TKD. And next time I meet a sumo wrestler with an attitude, I'll ask the Lord how I can use this situation to glorify Him, then hand the 300-lb. over to the Lord.

So thare!  :)

 :-X sorry, didn't mean to upset you. All Martial Arts have there place.  ;D

Oh, that's okay. I just wasn't expecting the part about everyone under the sun hating TKD. BUt I do like your aikido idea. Tell me more about that.

You seem to be the kind of person who perfere the ART part of “Martial Art,” the kind of person that prefers kata to sparring, am I right? If so, then Aikido is for you.  Aikido is a recently made Martial Art, the founder was born in the early 1880’s! The founder, who name I forget, took Jiujutsu and learned sword and spear fighting because he wanted to be the biggest, baddest dude around! He thought this would ease him, make him happy. While he mastered these arts, he did not find the joy he was looking for, so he turned to Spirituality.  It mixes grappling and joint locking on Jujutsu what the graceful kata of Sword and spear fighting.

Aikido is like TKD in that a lot of Martial Arts think of it as a compete joke. The Aikido masters admits it isn’t the deadliest style on the plant, that isn’t their goal. Anyways, from I know of your, this sounds like an Art you would enjoy, if you can find a school.

That's really neat! I didn't know that.

Well, I'm not sure how to describe my perspective on TKD. I do think of it as an art, and I like the philosophy as far as the purpose I'd been given: protect the causes, defend those who cannot defend themselves, and finally self-protection, all only when necessary. I think that was so very important, especially given the power moves particular to TKD. I do like the katas, and I'm coming into a better appreciation of their ultimate practicality, although I do think sparring is more imminently useful. TKD is aesthetic, with the grace of well-restrained power. (Unless you're sparring with a white belt. Then you come home bloody every night!  :) )

By philosophy I don't mean eastern religion by any remote stretch of the imagination. I shun, fend, shuck, and reject every ounce of that. I just mean the reason for studying it. Because with any martial art that has to be taught. When the philosophy is well-received, I find it can help build character. I like that.

I do find it practical, but I want things to be well-rounded. I do want to study aikido because I want to have a full command over my fighting. I also want to have soft techniques available.

You're right. I do like the art side very much. And as a Christian, I only want to kick kiester when absolutely necessary. Aikido fascinates me. I'm certain I would enjoy it.

Yes, that is the idea of Aikido, defense of yourself and the helpless. I hear you about the white belts. Just tonight, I pulled a white belt down on my weight, and his accidentally palm smashed my lip. It is times like that I’m glad I did boxing first. Eh, hardly broke the skin, just a little swollen. They get freaked out, and the just haven’t learned safety. It is still fun. This is a MARTIAL art, we aren’t doing Yoga, people! Lol

Yeah, don’t rule out Eastern philosophy all the way. I LOVE reading the Tao te Ching, believe it or not, given to be my the right had man of the Bishop of this Dioceses! I think it helps me understand the bible. We read the bible with our Western minds, but we forget Jesus was Eastern Minded. If you have ever talked to or been with a Native Asian, you will see they think rather differently then us. Especially the older generations. The younger seem to enjoy copying the US. In Asian, they strive to be like us, in the West, everyone loves anything Asian. How ironic. Anyways, I enjoy studying Taoism and other such Philosophies, they are very interesting.

As a Christian, we want to be peaceful when possible, but there is a time for peace and a time for war, a time for talk, and a time to “kick kiester!” Give Aikido a try, you might enjoy it. If you can’t fine and schools locally, many you would enjoy Judo...

Need some advice.

I'd like to get my 8 year old son involved in martial arts, but am not sure which one to do. I believe all martial arts can instill some sense of confidence and respect for the discipline, but am frankly looking for something with the most practical application for self-defense. My thoughts have been steering toward judo or aikido (Tibby?) only because most actual brawls/fights I've witnessed always wind up in some sort of grappling mode.

Thoughts?

I had a nice long reply written, then the program crashed on me!!! Se la Vive :-D.  So, this is a summary of what is said:

I have taken several Martial Arts, and I love Jiujutsu, the one I just started a little while back. It seems to be the most practical, and the most fun. We don’t just line up and do 1000 kicks. Now, we do plenty of that, but we also learn throwing and grappling and ground work and pressure points. Never a dull moment. On top of that in a court of law, if you get into a fight, even if you didn’t start it, you will go to court, no way around it, even if you didn‘t swing a punch, even if you don‘t know Martial Arts. Cops enforce the law, they don’t judge it, Their job is to bring you in if there is a disturbance, arrest first, ask question later. If you take Karate, the court will say you where just trying to be big and bad, but with Jiujutsu, you can argue that your chosen art has holds made just to restrain opponents with minimal damage so you DON’T have to fight them, and this argument will hold up in the court of law.

Look for these things in any school you go to:
1. Does the Master and Senior ranks help the Freshmen and Junior ranks when they are having trouble? Will they pull them aside and help them?
2. Are the Students respectful of the master and each other? In a Martial Arts class, there is chance for serous injury, you want the guy your training with to respect the master and do what he says, and you want him to respect you enough that he will not kill you!
3. Does the master allow for sparring. As the Master if you can see a few of the students spar.
4. Do the students break a sweat at all? Not a requirement, but it how can you even get better if you don’t push your body to the limit! I mean, those Gi’s we where are HOT, it is pretty easy to break a sweat in one of them.
5. How does he treat Tradition verses Modern training? Tradition is an important thing. It will give the student the feeling of a code, a system, it will help keep him in line, and teach him respect, because the traditions are all about respect. Bow before you fight, with the lowest rank bowing lowest, bow when you step onto the mat, etc. BUT, don’t follow Tradition and ignore Modern Training methods. Sports Medicine has advance so much in the past 100 years, it is important he consider that.

Don’t sweat it with the “mediation/Eastern Religion” stuff. Leston to the advise him gives the kids on the aspect. Does he say things like “You can do it, your mind is what is keeping you” things like this, that is simple sports psychology, no mysticism about it, it is proven. And there is wisdom in Eastern Philosophy. I’m a Christian, but as I keep saying, love reading the Tao Te Ching, the book of the Taoist. Knowledge is Knowledge. Most teachers will not FORCE the students the meditate. Just tell you son to pray, in the place of that. I know that worries you, it worried my parents, too, but many teachers don’t make there students Mediate if they feel that strongly about it. But, take an object look at it. It is just a way of relaxing, which sport psychology has proven will increase performance, to relax, to calm down and do your sport!

Now, as he contents with this, he may find his like one aspect over another. He may enjoy the throwing and ground art more, so you put him in a Judo class, or he may preferred the kicks, so you put him in a Tae Kwon Do or Karate class, or he may preferre the punches, so you put him in Kung Fu or Boxing. See what he likes the best and what he is good at. He may just like Jiujutsu and want to say in it! JuiJutsu is a parent Art, many arts stem from it.

If you want any question, I’m sure one of us would be more then happy to answer. Me personally I like taking about it, so I don’t mind at all. When you go to the classes, tell us about it, give us your thoughts, what you noticed about it.

Thanks for the advice!

Hi, Tibby. THought I'd check in. Yes, you can always count on the white belt to do the most damage--in fact, that's what I'd put up against that 300lb sumo dude, heehee!

Okay, let's have the rundown on judo.

Judo is a less violent version of Jiujutsu. No kicks or anything, just grappling, lots of throwing and some ground work. I enjoy it. It was made by a man who knew several different styles of Jiujutsu, around the 1880’s. Remember, Jiujutsu is a combat style, similar the that practiced by the armies today, the Samurai learned and used it. But that was the 1880’s, the Feudal Japan is Shogun’s and Samurai was dieing out, the Edo period passed. So, this guy made Judo, taking all the form of Jiujutsu he knew, and basically made a sport out of it. It resembles a mix of Jiujutsu, Sumo, and even American Wrestling in practice, but it is much more graceful. It, like TKD, is an Olympic sport.

I love sumo, btw, lol

I have this interest in Ninjitzu too. But I don't know as much about it as I could...I have found absolutely no one that teaches it or has any inkling about it other than what's in Hollywood. All the floaty prest magico stuff.

I want to know what it is really about, but I never have time to read because of all the other reading I have to do. I got my schedule all messed up last week and now I can't sleep even if I want to! LOL. THis would be ther perfect time to read, I suppose, but I don't know if Ninjitzu would help me sleep. So I'll gab instead! :D

Yes, I want to learn Ninjutsu, too. They are not the best grapplers, any Judo man could beter the average Ninjutsu guy, but if it was a fight to the death, the Nunjutsu man would win, hands down. One of my old sparring Parnters, Jared, who learned to fight in JuJutsu class, the Army, and the Prosin system(As a guard, not an inmate) fough a Ninja once. lol, it soundsl ike a bad movie, doesn't it? Let me rephrase, he was sparring with someone who knows Ninjutsu, and he beat him everytime. The onyl reason was the Ninjutsu man couldn't use his "death Moves" Ninjutsu isn't an art which "flash" or "sport" to it. It is the art of killing, but it would still be interesting to learn! Some say the Ninja's brought by some Chinese exsiles, Sholin Munks, Warriors, etc.  Ninjutsu was an older art, made in Mid-evil Japan. The people of sevreal villages combined hand to hand combat,  secrecy, and even a little psychological warfare. It was this secrecy which keeps me from tellking you any more, because NO ONE KNOWS! You've have better luck tracing the orgians of the Masions or the Lumanoti! We know for the first year, they didn't not call themselves ninja's. Ninjutsu uses all kinds of weapons, and also teaches there students stealth, how to walk so they are not heard, thing like that. Ninjutsu does not pratice Spinning back hook kicks for other such "flashy" moves.

But the schools are hard to find. I found a guy in town who knew it.That might me your best chance, ask around with your Martial Arts friends and see if they know a Ninja. If I'm little Baptist owned Southern Town of 15,000 people has one, I'm sure your town has a few of them!

The art of killing??? Now that's disgusting. I guess someone forgot to teach them the motto of the masters, and who ever tries to teach them, it aint gonna be me! Guess that explains why you can't just walk into a Ninjitsu gym and say, Hi, teach me some moves. I knew some of the peripherals, the quiet fighting, the endurance training, etc. But I've suddenly lost my appetite for it. That is really sick.

Ninja‘s aren’t the superhero‘s Hollywood portrayed them to be, Ninjutsu is the MUC of the Martial Artist world, good in application, bad in competition, and generally rather cocky. The Artist reflex there original practitioners. The Artists of Karate, the first one, conquered people, the Jujitsu/Judo/etc artist, Samurai, highly glorified slaves, Kung Fu, the artist where all gentle monks (until recently, when they had to teach outsiders to pay the bills), all these artist are about humility and honor. Sumo, the original Artist were the biggest, strongest men in Japan, cocky but honorable. But the Ninja’s, no honor, no humility, just cocky assassins. And still today, they are cocky and honorless. They just wouldn't survive in a real mans martial arts competition!

If You can't find Aikido, and you don't find judo appealing, give Hipkado(sp?) a shot. It is a Korean Grappling art. It lacks much of the ground work of Jujutsu, by its practitioners own admission, but it has a lot more focus on striking them Jujitsu.

*rubbing my chin with contemplation*

Mission accomplished, Sensei.

Found an art? Details! lol  ;D

In a roundabout way. It certainly helps knowing what art came from where with what purpose. I think that would influence the art "significantly indeed!" Maybe I'm just getting creative, but I wonder...

In my B.C. Days I was a good street fighter (Never Lost), Also I did a lot of wrestling, in High School, I never lost. It was fun  ;D

A4C- Lets trades scar stories! What are some of your favorite fights? lol

White- Um... what are you wondering...?

Sensei, I'm wondering if I take another art if it will make me forget how to do things right with this one.

Hi, Ambassador! Let's hear 'em!

Sensei, I am not. I am deeply honored that you would consider we such, but I am no Sensei. Thank you for the compliment, I’m always felt such titles should NEVER be self-proclaimed, and given, not by the masters, but by the students. But, I am not a teacher. Thank you, thou.

What if, by some chance, you are in a phone booth, and an attack walls in, shuts the door, and stands over it. Are your high kicks gonging to help you there? That would turn to close-combat pretty fast, maybe even a little grappling. High kicks will not do you to good. The secret is to learn and combine the styles, not use one and forget the other. I would advise you give Judo a try. Judo has no striking in it, maybe you could feel comfortable with not losing you form if you took a style TOTALLY different, and try to combine them. Also, Judo might be the easiest to find. On top of that, you can enter both your arts in the Olympics, if you want  ;D

Just reading through the first page I see that as usual most people don't know nor understand martial arts and especially not TKD.  TKD is based on power yes but not brute power.  Anyone who thinks they are stronger with their hands then legs is quite simply a moron.  Your legs will AWLAYS be stronger then your hands.  The power in TKD does not come from being large or bulky.  In fact bulky people are the worst for Martial Arts as their limberness is too low.  My master was about 5'4" and mayeb 150 and about 50 years old.  Master way was 6'3" and weighed about 270 and was afraid of Master Kwon.  For good reason I might add because the man was beyond fast and even his "teaching tap" mad me gasp for air.  It's not about muscle but most americans don't want to believe that.  Meatheads are never scary to me because they always think they are tough.  There is plenty of grapling in TKD.  When someone gets their black belt they're only just finally ready to learn the real meat of TKD.

Asian Martial Artists are so much better than American ones because of the dedication and time put into it.  Every Martial Art has it's good and bad and every other one thinks it's better just go to Asia to find that out.  TKD gets knocked the most because it has the most amount of schools and hence has been beaten by the $ more then lesser known arts.  I was in a school for a while where too many parents complained about "hey I paid X dollars my kid should be a black belt".  People needing to make a living slowly gave into the $ and the teaching took more of a back seat.  I've seen tons of blackbelts that deserved nothing more than orange belt (that was the second belt for me).  Martial arts is about defense not sport so your idea Tibby is flawed already.  Being that your only 5'4" I sure hope you don't try to punch me as you would have several broken ribs before you could reach me.

A 1" plank of wood equals the strength of a rib.  It's ridiculously easy to break through 3 boards with a side kick.  I dare say you don't want to be kicked and a woman could do that as well.  I have never been taught to just kick someone away if they get close, though a good kick in the shin will stop many a person.  I've actually had a person(freind) try grab me from behind and out of instince I tossed a 6'2" guy over my shoulder with ease.  It really sucked for him since it was a stone floor but he shouldn't have grapped my neck.  Another friend thought it would be funny to try and hit my stomach when I wasn't looking.  When my instinct gave him a swift kick to the gut it wasn't so funny.  He's lucky I stopped myself from a full force hit.  I stopped it just as I hit him but truly I realized I had learned something for real.

Anyone with any decent training knows that tournaments are a show of pride and bogus besides.  It is meant for self defense and you are even taught that one should do as much as possible to avoid conflict.  One who is not in a fight has a much better chance of not being hurt.  So if a woman kicks you in the shin and takes off then she's safe and unharmed.

Anyhow I'm done with my rant.  Oh and Akido is only meant for MASTERS of other styles.  Only a fool would think to just go and take Akido seeing as it has not a single offensive move NOT ONE.  Makes it a bit hard to spare now doesn't it?

Good rant, I’m glad you‘re on our side, lol. You basicly restanded what everyone in here has said so far, I don't Understand what what we don't understand. See, the Interantional TKD, great art, the America TKD, to much of a sport. It is a joke. Watch the American's in the Olympics, they have styles that are so far from the style taugh in American school... So, I take it you take TKD, too, uh? lol, what’s with all the TKD jocks in the board?

Yes, All arts have there good points, but there is a reason TKD and Karate get stomped in UFC, and the Grapplers win. Sure, sometimes a striker win, but the vast majority of the champions are Grapplers, mostly Jujitsu.  Then again, it can be argued that UFC isn’t a good test of Martial Arts, I’ve seen this argument before. Put a Boxer in a mat with a Wrestler, it is on the Wrestlers turf, and the boxer wil  get stomped, but put some gloves on the wrestler, and if he can beat the boxer at his own game, THEN he proves something. But, you have to think, the Boxer couldn’t beat the Wrestler at his game, so that evens them out. Every art has its place, I’d advise taking several.  

Yeah, that is the main Reason Aikido get a lot of crap. I’ve sword fought an Aikidoka in a sword match. NEVER tell them that have to master the art to be good while he has a Shinai in his hand, lol. The Grappling does take a master to use, but the Kata from the Sword style deadly! I’d be more then happy to spar their legs off in a grappling or striking match, but after facing one of them in a sword match, I have new respect for those guys! And lets face it, the Hakama are just cool! Don’t look at me like that, you know you all argee with me  ;D

Yes it's because any true Martial Artist would not be in a UFC tournament.  That UFC crap is for animals and I have only seen but the small amount of clips in commercials.  Seeing again as I said that MA is not a sport (as you seem to feel it is) there is no need to be in tournaments.  sparing for practice with another partner is one thing putting on pads and trying to show you are better is pointless from both a MA and Christian standpoint.

I think boxing is an animal sport as well and people like Mike Tyson show how true that is.  Ask Muhammed Ali how graceful he is now.  I don't feel there's any stlye or grace in it just brutes beating on each other.  One can be better than the other but considering the amount of mush heads when it's all over proves the point.  I doubt that God says "Hey check out that graceful and useful style of fighting".  I doubt he thinks much of MA's who fight for fun either.

I'm thoughly confused as to why white horse has called you sensei seeing as that is a Japanese word and TKD is Korean.  The two hate each other and if you ever used japanese terms in my school you got corrected rather swiftly.

I take nothing at the moment as I have not the time or money for it.  I took it before I was saved and in good physical shape.  Again you comment on grappling which I will tell you again is most deffinately in TKD and we had a guy in class who was an ex biker.  As in pagan nasty filthy kind who got into a motorcyle accident so his legs are all messed up.  You DO NOT want to let him get a hold of you.  That man was a monster if he grabbed you.  Frank got good at grappling because his legs aren't exactly easy to control do to nerve damage.  When that man went through blocking techniques with me I thought my arm was gonna break.  I'll tell you what though, when I spared with other people they always complained about my blocks cuz it hurt bad hehe, now they now how I felt.

I would never claim that any art was plainly superior to the other but I wouldn't move to another form until I had mastered the first.  The fact that you and so many others think there is no grappling in TKD shows how many people don't know TKD.  All the MA are similar in one way or the other.


Perhaps you forgot that I mentioned TKD is the most popular in America.  It was also the first MA introduced to the American public.  Mater Kwon had pictures of him and Chuck Norris, because Chucky went to Korea to study with the same person who taught Master Kwon.

How is it pointless is spar by a Martial Arts and a Christian Stand point? If you do not spar, how will you ever learn to use sure skills in a self defensive manor? See, you are going to meet guys like that on the street, The Street is full of Animal-like street fighters. Hopefully, you can defend against them.

Any TRUE Martial Arts would know the importance of Boxing. Maybe American Martial Arts here don’t have a place for there fighters to learn to take blows. A If hits in a street fight, and he will do out. Boxing is very importance, any true Martial Arts should spend some time in the ring. There are some fast strong boxers, if you don’t have any training, and they get a few good headshots in, you will be out like a light!

I am to wondering that too, which is why I asked her not, too. Sensei is a title to be earned, not given. Do, using the Japanese words isn’t that big of a deal, there are many that her Kwan was a Japanese Kwan. The Japan schools and Korean schools are do not all HATE each other. There are many Korean Karateka and many Japanese TKD men.

The TKD I’ve seen has no grappling. Most of the Schools I’ve been to are nothing more then glorified Sports Tae Kwon Do. Now, that is only how it is in America, many other parts of the world, there is much more to Tae Kwon Do. But we don’t see to much in the way of throws and foot sweeps on TV, mostly Kicks, so the Students here in America only way to learn kicks, and many of the masters here only want to make money…

So, what Ryu/Kwan were you are part of in Tae Kwon Do? Me, my Karate is Isshinryu and my JuJitsu is Danoshenryu.

Chick Norris learned from many Masters, like Bruce Lee for example. We was no doubt following Bruce lee’s track, learning from many masters, to find the “unknown art.” Good ol’ Jeet Kune Do  ;)

I never said it was pointless to spar, I said it was pointless to have competitions.  They don't show off much of anything seeing as there are many rules about what you can and can't do and what constitues a point.  It greatly limits the art and secondly its nothing more than a show of pride.  I have yet to meat a tourny person who isn't ultra cocky and they aren't even that good.  I had a friend who was horrible at comps because he was so worried about being too aggresive and hurting someone.  He and I knocked each other around a good bit.  I've had my shins black and blue to the point I could barely walk.  We of course got yelled at for it because it was considered "uncontrolled" and no one wants to get sued.  Have you ever taken a double round house to the face?  I have and let me tell you I was close to being knocked out.  It was an accident but regardless I learned to guard my head much better after that.  I'll tell the story if anyone's interested.

As far as schools hating schools I can not say but Asians often don't like other Asians.  There are basically three major types, Chinese, Japanese and Korean.  Those three people don't like each other because of past events no different then the germans hating the french and the english hating the french.  No not "every" person hates them but it's pretty common similar to the north south and black white issues we have.  That's just people if you ask me, we always find a reason to hate one another.


And I would have to tell you that that school wasn't very good.  Learning grappling wasn't a requirment but it was and is there to learn.  There are many instructors not worthy of their positions.  Finding a good school will usually be sort of hard as it will be small and not well known because only serious people will go there.  Those schools are into the art not the money.  Often times they fail because they can't pay rent (go americans).


I'm going on 27 years of age and I live outside of philly.  The street is not full of animal-like street fighters.  I haven't been in a fist fight since I was in highschool.  Were on earth do you live?  Knowing true self defense (and a Christian attitude that I now have) I'll take a childish insult and even a shove and walk away before getting into a fight.  It's pretty hard to get into a fist fight without looking for one.  Before I was saved I was in plenty of situations where it could have happened and didn't.  Honestly the biggest threat I ran into was from my friends who thought I was taking TKD so I could fight.  It always seemed to get them worked up for some reason.  I would come home from TKD class and they would immediately start with the "well tough guy, I bet you think you're all tough now huh?  What would you do if I did this (random ridiculousness) or what if I had a gun huh tough guy?"  To which I usually would respond "Hi glad to see you too gorgious so what's every  upto?"  Ocationally they would be stupid and try something (like my previous examples in prior posts).

I'm sorry Tibby but I'm gonna have to ask this.  Have you taken one too many to the head or are you one of the worst typists I've ever seen.  You do it too often for me to pass it off as random typos because it's basic grammar too.  Like these sentences here:


There are many in all the forums.  I just figured I would ask you before making a final call on the matter.  It get wretchedly worse when you're mad.


I'm not sure what post this was in refference to, but how does one stand over a phone booth door?  Secondly it wouldn't be much of a fight seeing as a phone both is REALLY cramped with two people in it.  It look more like you were making out than fighting and there wouldn't be much damage done aside from headbutts.

No, and there is no point to churches having potlucks, but my Baptist Pastor still hold them, and I still go. Why is that? I mean, not very just praise going on, not much teaching, so why go? The comradery, the fun, the point, the point is to get comfortable with confrontation, the point is to meet other like minded people, and talk about your arts. The point of Tournaments is to have fun. They are CRAPPY tests of  skill, most of the time they only test how good you art at that Art. Karate tournaments don’t really test you fighting skill, they test your Karate Skill.

Yeah. I try to find the smaller Schools, most of the time they are always the better ones.  The best way to know if a school is good is by looking at there requirements for becoming a black belt. The school I’m at now, you have to break a 2 inch board, run a mile, and go thru a 20 hour survive test, that is 20 hours over night, in the national forest, with no shoes! These are things that aren’t impossible, (I mean, 2 inch boards and 1 mile runs, piece of cake) but at least you know they don’t hand out belts! TO many poor instructors. They just toss in a little mysticism, and they look good, and give a bad name to Christian Martial Artists.  >:(

If you haven’t seen a fight in about 10 year, how do you know they aren’t like the UFC? I live in Hicksville. There is no “shove” and “insult” they aren’t trying to provoke you, they just want to “wrasle” They what to brawl. And they DO resemble the UFC. YEEEEHAAW! Lol, Don’t get caught to lat at the local hang outs, or you are volunteered to fight. To be honest, it is fun, but still... ;D

The phone booth is just a funny mental image showing how unless some arts are in close-combat, don’t worry about it. It isn’t to funny when you have to explain.  :-\

I found this in another forum, and I though it fits with what we are talking about!

A big sign greets the customers.

It says "McDojo’s Over 99 Million Promotions Served!"

Instructor: Welcome to McDojo’s! How may I promote you today?

Customer: I would like a Black Belt, please. Super sized if possible… I've had a few too many hamburgers lately.

Instructor: Would you like a stripe with that?

Customer: Hmmm…sure…why not. I haven’t had one in a long time.

Instructor: What about a title?

Customer: Do you have any Grand Masters?

Instructor: Why yes…hundreds in fact. That's our most popular title!

Customer: Excellent. I will take one of those. How long will it take?

Intructor: Well, it used to take a lifetime to prepare one of these, and only the most devoted could afford the sacrifice. But now we have them pre-packaged in almost every style. A few old holdouts wouldn’t give us their style's recipe. But we have some guys working on that right now.

Customer: Well those three in the poster look good. I’ll take those, and don't skimp on the patches! I love pretty patches.

Instructor: Ok sir…Coming right up.

5 minutes and 20 customers later...

Instructor: Here you go sir.

Customer: Umm…I think there is a mistake. I paid for a red stripe. That’s a white one.

Instructor: The board of directors decided that the traditional red stripes reminds them too much of blood. They don’t want to project a bad image.

Customer: But red is the color you have used since you opened so many years ago! Everyone I knew grew up on red stripes! It’s traditional to have them with the Grand Master Combo.

Instructor: There’s nothing I can do sir…Oh sir, you owe us an extra fee for the stripe upgrade to white.

Customer: Okay that’s it. Let me speak to whoever runs this place.

Great Great Grand Master Pan Zie: I am the one you seek. What do you wish to know?

Customer: Why can’t I get a red strip with my black belt?

Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: Red was no longer cost effective for our traditional training paradigm.

Customer: So you're saying red costs too much to make?

Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: Your insights do you well, young Grasshopper. But you would do well to keep these secrets…secret.

Customer: But you charge more for the white even though it costs less to make!

Great Great Grandmaster Pan Zie: I am sorry…there are many more contracts and promotions I have to dispense.

Customer: That’s it! I've had enough of you guys. I am going to take my business to Burger Kwon!

Lol!!! That was great. It's true, too. At the place I used to go, there actually wasn't a set promo schedule. He promoted you when he decided it was time. It could be three months or six weeks, depending on why he thought you were there. If you just wanted a black but you wanted to be the crummiest black in town, every testing you might get passed without much instruction on the floor. You want to be good, you might not test. (This explanation provided by one of the senior students, and I think he's right.)

Wow, Tibby! That's some testing! I've never heard of that before! Sounds pretty cool, though.

I know. I have a few years, considering that I just started Jujitsu, but it will be CRAZY! I think it would be fun. First thing I’m going to do is make a pair of leaf shoes! And we have to do it alone, and in one night! I’ve never heard of it, either. But I like it! Great way to make sure your black belts give your school a good name!

When you say potluck do you mean when everyone brings something to eat and people fellowship together?

The story is quite american indeed.  The color of belts varies from school to school style to style.  


I'm not real sure what the point of the first two are as that should be a requirement from anything above the first two belts.  Two boards is REAL easy, it only takes a bit of focus and knowing your kicks or punches.  As for the outdoor thing whatever that's up to the teacher I suppose.  Th school I went to they used to run everynight on the street in bare feet, gravel, broken glass, the works.  I do believe that ended because too many sissies got upset and I suppose Master Kwon  had bills to pay so he folded.  Oh well not much you can do.

Well son if you're going to the "local" hangouts and fighting is expected perhaps you should think about where you are hanging out.  I never said people didn't fight, nor did I say I haven't "seen" a fight in ten years, quite the contrary people fight all the time.  If you really learned anything you wouldn't find yourself in a fight unless there was no other choice.  Why are you putting yourself in such dark places.  I really doubt you're doing too much witnessing while fighting with someone and since you know it's going to happen you're asking for trouble.  

As for tournaments they in now way "showcase" any art at all.  That's like saying the SAT's are a good show of education.  Not so it's a good test for seeing how well you take tests and thats about it.

Do you commonly make up things when you can’t think of some twist of the truth that is negative to my posts? I said the same the 2 inch board and the mile run. They are easier, by most guys who "buy" their blakc belts can't do them. You complete missed you point, as usual. Run ever night of broken glass, uh? Right, bro.



Most of them are Baptist who think they are witnessing to me. This is the bible belt, after all, everyone is Christian (yeah, right ::)). Not much witnessing to do, they are to busy getting drunk like the "good Baptist" they are to listen to reason. Aside from that, the bible told us to go to tall the world, not to let them come to us. THe world is in a dark place, my brother. No trouble, these guys are REAL men, they aren’t going to hold petty grudges, we fight, we are still friends, or we become friend after. Have what is take to fight gives them respect for you, meaning they might listen to you sometime, and come to a Wednesday night pray meeting over a Kegger, choose Jesus over Jack Daniels.


Yes, exactly. Except I was told that about the ACT, but same difference, right? Glad to see you caught onto something I said ;D lol j/k

Simply, it is just a guy thing. It is more planting a seed then straight up witnessing. Most guys love the rough and tumble, and when you are humbled by a guy, and he gives the classic “Yeah, I know I beat you, but you are a good fighter” line, you are friends for life. Personally, I hate that line, I hate saying and hearing it! You might as well say “Your good, but I‘m a fighting God! Mahahaha! Bow before me!” lol But, guys around hear eat it up. They respect you after that, if you put up a fight, and you have opened a door. Many of the people here are born and raised from one particular denomination (no names), but they believe that once you are saved, you can never go to hell. You can be the worst sinner, and you still go to heaven. I never said this wasn‘t true, nor did I say it was, we are not hear to discusses that, the point is, they take this to mean they can live any kind of free life they want, do anything they please and still have this eternal Security. Logic and reasoning doesn’t work with these people, it is hard to tell them something they have believes for so many years is wrong, but they understand the physical. You aren’t going to impress them by showing how wise you are, you have to be a rough and tumble kind of guy for them to even listen to you. Once you get in the door, they will listen to your words. It isn’t about getting them to change denominations, it is about them becoming active in the church they are already a part of! You have to become all things to all men. We have to fix the problems in our own people if we want to show the world Jesus. When we have people out there acting like sinners and claiming Jesus, it isn’t good for us.


You mean just a regular class? Well, after we warm-up and stretch and bow in, we normally work on falling. This is a Jiujitsu class, so the first thing we learn is how to minimize the damage when we are thrown. Falling is a lot harder then it look, I hate learning them, so boring, but is has to be done for safety, right? Then, we normally work on Throws, take-downs, strikes, kicks, blocks etc. all in turn, and not always in that order, basically you fighting skills. Then, sometimes, we work on exercises for muscular and cardiovascular endurance. We hop over each others feet to learn to jump out of foot sweep and locks, we  hold our legs in a sumo pose,  just different exercise to increase the power of the muscular most use. Then, we spar, sometimes by Karate rules, but most of the time by Jujitsu rules or Judo rules. Then, we cool down and bow out. Then, we normally stay after for an hour and work on things that we think we need to work out that can’t be done at him, like throws and rolls.  I like this class, it isn’t like Karate, we line up and kick after kick after kick. We still do that here, but we ad in a lot of different stuff, makes it more fun, never a dull moment!


Well, you have to understand where he is coming from. Saved is clearly from a Fundamentalist Denomination, he believes Catholics are Pagans. In his eye, we are no more Saints then Jehovah’s Witness.


Yeah. Lets keep the theology in the theology board. I’m sure you had a few not Christians in your TKD school ,and I’m sure you had fun with them. We are all Martial Artist here, lets make the Entertainments boards a Neutral grounds.

Yeah, I have a problem with that philosophy, too. The NT is replete with scriptures that say if we love Jesus we will keep his commandments. We have the parable about the wedding feast and the guest without wedding clothes being cast out. We have scriptures telling us without righteousness, no one will see the Lord.

But, enuff about that. Are you into any MA films?

Yeah, I like them, in fact I’m staring in a movie with Jet Li in… Ok, maybe not ;D

I love them. Great movies. America Movies, Asian movies. Sure, the plots are painfully repetitive, and the Actors don’t act, but hey, the Fights are normally pretty good, and settings are interesting at least. I love action movies, I like Bruce Lee’s Philosophy, that action movies should have deep meanings. Not this “blow up things and shoot at people” stuff. He believed action movies should be symbolic and deep. See “Game of Death” great movie, with lots of symbolism, and good fighting!

What are you talking about?  Where did I lie or twist anything?  I missed no point at all.  I think that the first two requirements should be necissary way before black belt.  How is that missing the point.  Who said anyone ran over broken glass everynight?  I said they ran in the street where there would be etc etc.  I never took it every night as it wasn't even offered everynight.

You're the one who likes to play tough guy.  So you live in an area of people who claim to be something they're not waht would you like me to do about that.  Should I tell about all the catholics I work/worked with that talk about strip clubs, bars, porn, wild bachelor, etc?  

I think you need to try and read a little harder.  You never answered the potluck question as I know of no church in my area that has anything called a potluck.


I don't do anything in TKD seeing as I haven't been able to take it in two years.  I mentioned that before.  I can tell you what I did do.  We would usually start out by running for a while around the gym, switching it up by running backwards and side running(leg over leg sort of like hoping almost), then we would stretch.  Depending on who taught the class it would go into class wide form practice (which got quite tiresome if you put your all into it) which basically we would do a combination of kicks or punches down the gym and back.  Finally we would learn either forms, closeup defense (ie when some one grabs your hand arm etc do this) new techniques.  Thursday night was sparing night.  Wasn't always that full as a lot of people didn't like to spar.  

Go a head, THe majority of the people in this town are baptist who not only tal kabout, but do all of those things. It isn't about Baptist, it is about the hypocrites that give the Baptist church a bad name. Don't take it so personally

I think you need to try and read a little harder.  You never answered the potluck question as I know of no church in my area that has anything called a potluck.
You have yet to answer a lot of my questions in the Apologetics board, buddy. The Answer is yes.



I don't do anything in TKD seeing as I haven't been able to take it in two years.  I mentioned that before.  I can tell you what I did do.  We would usually start out by running for a while around the gym, switching it up by running backwards and side running(leg over leg sort of like hoping almost), then we would stretch.  Depending on who taught the class it would go into class wide form practice (which got quite tiresome if you put your all into it) which basically we would do a combination of kicks or punches down the gym and back.  Finally we would learn either forms, closeup defense (ie when some one grabs your hand arm etc do this) new techniques.  Thursday night was sparing night.  Wasn't always that full as a lot of people didn't like to spar.  

Go figure, lol. Person Talk Martial Arts, they don't realize what "martial" means! Some people...

I was thrilled to see what Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son) was going to do with his career. I understand he was a mediocre fighter, but a good actor. So did they ever figure out for sure why he died?

Bruce lee was no doubt one of the least physically able Martial  Artist in the work. He was skinny, short, and unfit when he started out! one leg was an inch longer then the other, and he had really bad eyes, he wore contacts. You just have to respect a man like that, all those physical problems, and he grew up to become one of the greatest fighter the Modern world has seen!

No one ever knows the full story of his death. I think it is pretty clear. He took countless fights. People would recopies him on the street and challenge him, and he never refused. People on his Movie sets challenged him all the time. He was having several fights a day between seens in the last movie he made, Enter the Dragon. It is shame, too. I think Game of Death would have been a GREAT movie had to completed it.

Yeah, I knew Bruce died of a brain aneurism, probably from all the fighting. He was spectacular. But I think his son Brandon was either not born with his father's genes, or just didn't have the same interest. Brandon was making a movie, and he was somehow killed on the set. I knew people were looking into it, but I don't remember hearing what happened to him. It always bothered me, because after we lost a great like Bruce Lee, I was at least hoping to see his son in action. Incredibly sad.

Brandon Lee died making "The Crow".  He got shot with a real bullet that was supposed to be a blank.  I don't believe the media or anyone picked up on whether or not foul play was involved.  Everyone knew he was shot though.  I'm surprised you diodn't know that.

Yes, I knew--that's why I asked the question. It fell out of the news after that. Some say he had an obsession with death and placed the bullet. But no one ever said for sure.

This is all so true! lol

Judo is better than karate.
I only practice Judo.

The martial arts are about striving to achieve a black belt.  The martial arts are about money.  

Chinese martial arts are the best!
I practice a Chinese martial art.  

High kicks are stupid.  
I can't do high kicks.  

Tournaments are extremely important.  
I'm good at fighting and I win trophies.  

The martial arts are about building character.
You'll never be any good, but keep coming anyways.

Korean martial arts are the best.  
I practice a Korean martial art.  

Board breaking techniques are not important.  
I couldn't break out of a paper bag.

I don't believe in colored belts.
I learned in the backyard and nobody ever promoted me.

The martial arts are about building better people.  
Like me.  

Grappling arts are the best.
I practice a grappling art.  

Sophisticated arts like Tai Chi and Aikido are far superior.
Fighting frightens me.

He's a good martial arts teacher.
He's in my organization.

He's a lousy martial arts teacher.
I don't know anything about him.

My style is the best.
I don't know anything about any other styles.

Promotions are not important.
There's a grading coming up and it's important.

Throwing techniques are less important than grappling.
I can't throw anyone and I'm tired of trying.

I'm an innovative, modern Western martial arts teacher, doing my own non-classical thing.
I'm more interested in teaching than learning, and Asians ignore me because they know how ignorant I am.  

Martial arts politics are the necessary result of official recognition by respectable associations to protect the public. I'm an officer in a large organization.

I hate martial arts politics.
None of the large organizations recognize me or have the slightest interest in my existence.

In this system, we adapt the technique to fit the person.
Do it the way I said to.

Competitions are a waste of time.  I've never won any competitions.  

Forms or kata are the highest expression of the inner essence of the martial arts.  
I read that somewhere -- and I've had enough of tournaments.  

Kata or forms are useless.  
Bruce Lee said forms are useless.  

One style is not better than another -- it's the individual that counts.  
Please don't go to another school.

Practice makes perfect.
Please sign up again.

He doesn't deserve his rank.
I didn't get promoted as fast as him.

Size and strength are not important.  
I'm bigger and stronger than average.  

Science and leverage will always win out over brute force.  I'm smaller and weaker than average.  

The purpose of the martial arts is spiritual development and liberation from the ego.  
I'm so humble and wise, it's terrific.  


It sounds like Christians to me, lol!

The Amreican Movie Channel is supposed to be having a martial arts movieathon called Fists Fly in July. I don't have the details on times yet, but Enter the Dragon is supposed to be one of them. Anyone watching it? If it isn't over we should have a virtual movie party. Everyone brings their own popcorn, heehee!

Okay, found the schedule:
http://www.amctv.com/article/0,,1915-1-1915-0-3-EST,00.html

Hm. Only half the link turns blue. Maybe try highlighting the whole link, use the right click to copy and paste the whole thing into the field. Yup, works!

Sorry, Whitehorse, I'm just your avearage trogladyte--no American Movie Channel--just the occasional video and dope slaps and body slams around here (if you don't give me any popcorn).

But sorta weirdly, I just noticed Tibby's earlier posts; you sound like the build of a bouncer, Tibby; and I was just watching a Robert Deniro/Chales Grodin movie, "Midnight Run"; 'bout a bounty hunter(Deniro) who has hours to apprehend a mafia stooge(Grodin).  Well, in the end credits, it lists the names of the actors who played the mafia boss's three thugs.  One of them is nicknamed "Tibby".   Ahem.

Anyway, an interesting, entertaining movie.  Has the same kind of ending as Steve Martin's "Leap of Faith".  It's a lot about faith, and friendship.  

I'll put this under movies, too.

lol yeah, it would be a fun job. But I’m to short to be a bouncer.  ;D I would be kind of cool, thou. I have a cousin in Dallas who worked his way thru College doing that. lol, I haven’t been in any Mafia movies that I’m aware of, but I’ll have to check that one out now! Just call me the Godtibby ;-)

Just out of curiosity, which post was it that you read?

Oh, Whitehorse, whats been up with you? Found a New art yet?

Yes, I figured out from your other posts you'd be too young.  The Midnight Run movie was made in the 80s.  

I think I skimmed your earlier posts here on this thread, page  1 or 2 or so.  

I like the movie b/c it seems to be a pretty well written script.  To me a lot depends on how a story is woven.  This one seemed to pull it off.

When I saw your name in the credits, I said, "Hey, there's Tibby!  Hmm.  So he's a mafia thug."

hehe.

lol That me, Tibby da thug. ;D

So are we watching? Okayyyyy. I'll bring the popcorn but I like the kind with extra butter.  :D

Make that garlic butter, if I'm going to be an Italian hit man...  ;D

Garlic breath= 10 point bonus on toughness

lol

Tibby, hehe! Will do. Okay, everyone...it's showtime!!! Everyone put on your all-american, red, white, and blue gee! If you're not American, just pretend for a day. Does Champion even make those anymore? Did anyone here ever buy one?  

(http://sc.msn.com/2{/B4JV7DOJIT1@ESPQCW-JR[.jpg)  I wanted to watch cartoons.