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Title: Is the Spirit in me?
Post by: Willowbirch on April 29, 2004, 05:53:27 PM
A little frustrated today, as usual when I don't understand something...

A while ago our pastor preached a series on the Spirit-filled Christian; he said many good things, one of which was that we inherit the Spirit of God and His power the moment we accept Christ into our hearts. This is the "baptism of the Spirit". We do not need to beg for it, or try to "work up to" it, He's already there, and we need only to walk in Him constantly to enjoy the full power of God in us. When we're moving away from God in any aspect of our lives, we are still His children, but we are spiritually weak because we are refusing to tap into the great wealth of strength and comfort given to us through the Spirit.

But if we are baptized in the Spirit when we take up Christ's name in our hearts, what is the meaning of Acts 8:15-17: "They [the apostles] sent off for Peter and John, who went down there [Samaria] and prayed for the converts, asking that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For until then the Spirit had not come upon any of them. They had been baptized into the Name of the Lord Jesus, that and nothing more. So Peter and John laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit."

Is it possible, then, to be a Christian, to accept Christ as Savior, and still be without the Spirit? This was not a case of ignorance on the part of these Samarian converts; they had "accepted the word of God" (verse 14) and "had been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus".

And in Acts 10:44-48, there is an opposite situation; the Holy Spirit is "poured out even on Gentiles", all gathered in Cornelius's house, before any had been baptized in Christ's name. Verse 47-48 "Then Peter spoke: 'Is anyone prepared to withold the water for baptism from these persons, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did ourselves?' Then he ordered them to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ."

I've read that receivers of Holy Spirit speak in tongues and praise God with a vigor that lead many to say they were drunk, or insane, etc.
Acts 10:46 "...for they could hear them speaking in tongues of ecstasy and acclaiming the greatness of God."

Acts 2:4, 5-13 "And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to talk in other tongues, as the Spirit gave them power of utterance. ...And at this sound the crowd gathered, all bewildered because each one heard his own language spoken. ...And they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, 'What can this mean?' Others said contemptuously, 'They have been drinking!'"

1 Samuel 10:10-11 "As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God gave him a new heart. On that same day all these signs happened. When they reached the Hill there was a company of prophets coming to meet him, and the spirit of God suddenly took possession of him, so that he too was filled with prophetic rapture."

David dances before the Ark of the Covenant. People heal and prophesy. Dead are raised. The Church is established. God does great works through His Spirit, and it is His delight to use men and women as vessels of His word and power.

Is there a reason for me to wonder if I, too, "partake of the Spirit", or is this a groundless worry? Have I been baptized with water but not the Spirit? I sing praises, but if I sing in power, it seems that my own emotion is showing through, not God's. I am not charismatic, nor do I think that every Christian must prophecy or speak in tongues upon receiving God's Spirit. But perhaps I do not understand at all what it means to be given Holy Spirit!

I am hoping there is a wise soul out there who can explain some of this to me.


Title: Re:Is the Spirit in me?
Post by: Whitehorse on April 29, 2004, 09:32:40 PM
Well, I can't claim to be a wise soul, but for what it's worth, I hope this may be of use to you: The true test of the Spirit is written in 1 John. Determining the presence of the Spirit is more in how we think, what we believe, and how that manifests itself in our lives and character, rather than a particular gift. Your question is a very godly one, and I pray God will bless you with His sweetest reassurance. There's also a very good treatise on this very subject by Thomas Brooks, called Heaven on Earth.

Blessings,
Whitehorse


Title: Re:Is the Spirit in me?
Post by: Willowbirch on April 30, 2004, 12:17:51 PM

Thank you, Whitehorse! I will check that book out.



Title: Re:Is the Spirit in me?
Post by: Willowbirch on April 30, 2004, 12:23:13 PM
Checking the Library's Internet catalog...


Title: Re:Is the Spirit in me?
Post by: Willowbirch on April 30, 2004, 12:36:39 PM
Nope, I'll have to check somewhere else. There are quite a few Heaven on Earth's at the local library, none of which are by Thomas Brooks, but perhaps I will find the treatise online.
Thanks again!


Title: Re:Is the Spirit in me?
Post by: ollie on April 30, 2004, 06:15:23 PM
 Colossians 3:14.  And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
 15.  And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
 16. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
 17.  And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

John 6:63.  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The words Christ speaks are spirit, when we let Christ's words dwell in us we have that spirit, we are quickened through His word.

Ollie