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By asking this I don't mean literally, obviously.  I mean why doesn't God make it obvious to everyone that he exists.  There exists no real evidence for God.  Also, why so many different religions that all say you have to believe in the exact word?  I know most people will say 'to test your faith'.  But to me that seems ridiculous.  If you do decide there is a God you still have to choose between which religion is right.  It seems to me that if God made it obvious that he did exist and which religion is correct it would be a big enough test to follow exactly what he says, something which few religious people do anyways.  What do you all think about this?

In part you basically said there is no real evidence that God exists and why is it not obvious that God does exist?

OK, not trying to be smart here.

Where did the moon, the stars, the solar system, the first tree for example come from? It had to start somewhere. It had to be put there in some form in the beginning, unless one believes the items mentioned above were always there in some form, which does not make any sense. One just keeps going back and asking where did this come from, where did that come from, etc. until the point is reached where it was somehow always there, or it was put there.

The above paragraph is why the atheist argument does not hold water, unless of course water was always here in some form. A bit of a pun if you will.

You said:


God says:


You said:


God says:


and...


You said:


I believe that God has shown man all that man needs to know that He exists in the creation He made.  Look out at the stars at night:


I believe that there are many who claim to have the way to salvation.  But I know that Jesus said that He alone is the way.  If a "religion" denies that, in any way, it is wrong[/b]!

Does that help?

Questions: you are saying where did the universe and everything in it come from then.  This is a valid question.  However, there are many heavily supported scientific theories as to where all of these came from.  One question that is not answered is where the matter for all of this came from in the first place.  Either it was created or has existed infinitely.  Some do not believe in infinities though.  This would lead to creation, but the same questions can be asked about a creator.  What was God doing before he created the universe?  Has he existed infinitely?  This leads to the same problems as the scientific theories.  Either God has existed infinitely or he was created.  I doubt anyone will say he was created.  So, God must have existed infinitely.  But that brings you back to denying the scientific theories because of the impossibility of an actual infinity.  Kind of a circular argument...

In response to Allinall:
Your evidence that Christianity is the only way comes from a quote from the bible.  This hardly seems like evidence at all.  All of the religions that I was referring to insist that each is the one correct religion and each will obviously have quotes similar to the one you provided.  You are also saying that any religion that says Jesus is the way is correct then?  So wouldn't that make any sect of Christianity true in your eyes?  Also you say that any religion that denies that is wrong, how do you know this?  What makes a religion that does not believe in Jesus wrong?
On to the next piece, you and your quotes from the bible claim that the universe itself is enough evidence for the existence of a God.  I would have to disagree because, as I have discussed above, there are other possible answers as to the source of the universe.
Your evidence all comes from the Bible.  How do you know that the Bible is true?  What sort of evidence supports that?
I'm not trying to undermine anyones faith here, I just have a lot of questions and am curious to see how other people deal with these problems.  Thanks.

In your reply to Questions, I ask you to show these Scientific proofs? The Big Bang theory is been proven to be a theoretical impossibility, and the believers are nothing more then bitter psudo-scientist  more interested in disproving Christianity then furthering mankinds development.

In your reply to Allinall, You didn’t think anything thru. See, you asked us here why God, if he is real, doesn’t show himself. Your questions was hypothetical: assuming God was real, why doesn’t he show him self. Well, if the stipulation of your hypothetical question is that God exists, then it is only logical to assume, in the Hypothetical question, that the bible is true as well, at least in the stand point of this situation. Sorry for over use of “Hypothetical.”
On top of that, sense you are so big on “Science” you should know all historical and archeological facts we know of back up the bible. So, even if we go solely on science, to say the bible is not an reliable source is in conflict with what you said easily. Don’t worry about your theories, there are “heavily supported scientific” FACTS that prove the bible is accurate.

First of all, I never said "scientific proofs".  Theories.  Questions that pertain to subjects that happened long before humans ever existed are pretty much impossible to prove.  Also, just because science cannot currently account for the exact origin of our universe doesn't mean it never will.  Think of where we were several hundred years ago when we believed that the earth was the center of the solar system.  Yes, science can't answer everything, but neither can religion.  All too many times have I asked a question and repeatedly received the answer "we can't understand everything that God does".  How is that different from science not yet explaining everything?  Also, you failed to respond to my questions as to God's existence before ours.

Assuming that God exists for the sake of an argument is completely independent of assuming that everything in the Bible is true.  In fact, you really answer nothing in response to my discussion with Allinall.  I would also like to know what kind of "scientific" (I like how you put science in quotes...) facts you have that prove the Bible is accurate.

Well, then, show me the theories!



What questions? What was god doing before he created the Universe? Battling with Satan, making Angles and other Heavenly beings, making other Universes, and things of this nature. You asked Questions, not me. Of course I didn’t answer!



You want proof that the bible is real? Unlike yourself, I am not going to squabble of semantics, and thereby avoiding the questions, I will give you this proof you ask for. But then, what right do you have to ask me to produce proof, when you can’t even produce so much as a few theories?  Anyways, the following is a list of evidence that proves the bible is accurate, feel free to research it!

 1. In northern Syria in the 1970s, the Ebla archive where discovered, and has shown the Biblical writings concerning the Patriarchs to be viable. These Documents, written on clay tablets from around 2300 B.C., demonstrate that personal and place names in the Patriarchal accounts are genuine. The name "Canaan" was in use in Ebla, a name critics once said was not used at that time and was used incorrectly in the early chapters of the Bible. The word "tehom" ("the deep") in Genesis 1:2 was said to be a late word demonstrating the late writing of the creation story. "Tehom" was part of the vocabulary at Ebla, in use some 800 years before Moses. Ancient customs reflected in the stories of the Patriarchs have also been found in clay tablets from Nuzi and Mari.

2.The Hittites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.

4. Many thought the Biblical references to Solomon's wealth were greatly exaggerated. Recovered records from the past show that wealth in antiquity was concentrated with the king and Solomon's prosperity was entirely feasible.

5. It was once claimed there was no Assyrian king named Sargon as recorded in Isaiah 20:1, because this name was not known in any other record. Then, Sargon's palace was discovered in Khorsabad, Iraq. The very event mentioned in Isaiah 20, his capture of Ashdod, was recorded on the palace walls. What is more, fragments of a stela memorializing the victory were found at Ashdod itself.

6.Belshazzar, king of Babylon, named in Daniel 5, was said to be a biblical myth as well. The last king of Babylon was Nabonidus, according to recorded history, that is. Then tablets were found showing that Belshazzar was Nabonidus' son who served as coregent in Babylon.

7. And this is the most important, the existence of Jesus Christ was recorded by Josephus, Suetonius, Thallus, Pliny the Younger, the Talmud, and Lucian.

You want more? I’ve got more, plenty more. But it is your turn, kid. Notice, my first reply after your request to see proof, and I gave it, yet, I have yet to see any of your theories. You’re just another clown who comes in here, trying to annoy Christians and upset their belief. We have been around for over 2000 years, kid, one asinine post from a wanta-be scientist is going to change our minds. We are talking about beliefs and theory that have been proven over time, and as time goes on, they are only proven more. How about this Junior, you go off, do some research, and then we will talk. Until then, keep your childish posts to your self.

Show me the theories?  The theories I was referring to are the theories of evolution and inflation universe theories, which is a similar, but somewhat more plausible theory than the big bang theory.  Yes, it does have problems, thats why it is still a theory.  As I said before this does not rule out its possibility of being true.  Just as the idea of God has its problems, but this does not rule out the possiblity of God existing.

I asked several important questions that you avoided such as how long has God been around?  Has God existed infinitely?  and so on.  I was asking anyone that has an opinion on these not just Questions, although that provided you a nice excuse to avoid them.  

Who is it that started squabbling semantics....
Anyways, this proof you have provided is extremely weak.  Yes, it may show that some of the historical aspects of the bible are true but that does not mean in any way that Jesus existed and was who He is claimed to be.

I came to this forum hoping for friendly discussion.  As you can see that are a lot of questions I have about Christianity that have not yet been answered.  So, I came here thinking that maybe I could find a little intellectual discussion and maybe we could ALL learn something from it.  Instead you decided to ignore any good discussion topics, choosing only the ones that you think you can 'prove' and speak in a condescending manner.  Thanks for the hostility and trying to end any open-minded discussion.

Very very few serious people maintain that Jesus never existed.

The Jesus ref. in Josephus is almost universally believed to be a Christian interpolation, probably by Eusebius.

Suetonius makes a reference to "Chrestus", but it isn't clear that he meant "Christ" because "Chrestus" is the Latin form of an actual Greek name. He also implies that "Chrestus" was in Rome when the Jews were expelled in 49 AD or so.

Thallus' writings have been lost, so there is no way to determine if he actually wrote what Julianus Africanus said he did in the 3rd century.

Pliny's letter to the Emperor Trajan merely records the existence of Christians in Asia Minor, which I don't believe was ever disputed by anyone.

The Talmudic references to Jesus are actually anti-Christian and date from 200-500 AD. They are not contemporary and are a reaction to the spread of Christianity. The references claim that Jesus was the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier named Pantera or Pandira and that Jesus learned to work magic while in Egypt.

Lucian's sarcastic comment from the 2nd century is evidence only that he was aware of Christians and their beliefs.

Thank you GarColga.  This is the kind of information/discussion I am looking for and I find it helpful.  I do not deny that Jesus ever existed, but I do question who he really was.

I am not interested in getting involved in the discussion, but I will add fuel, so as to help keep the discussion from dying on the vine..

Don't worry about the spelling, after all , it s history that provides the answers..

The Bible is a History book, and it is probably more accurate than any other resource available, especially if one wants to know who Jesus,is.



In the gospels, John writes this concerning  the prophet Isaiah;

Jhn 12
35  Then Jesus said unto them,  while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
36   While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
37  But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38  That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39  Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40  He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41  These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

John at verse 41, says Isaiah saw;  Jesus , in His Glory.

The Apostle John in writing this passage of scripture, quotes Isaiah's writings at chapters  6 and 53, of the book of Isaiah.
 
The book of Isaiah is dated 7th century B.C. , most events discussed are pre and post exilic concerning the nation of Isarel.

Isa 6
1  In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2  Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3  And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
4  And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
5  Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
6  Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:
7  And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.
8  Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
9  And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10  Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
11  Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,
12  And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.
13  But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.

John in verse 38, above spoke of  Isaiah's prophecy, concering  Jesus, first coming
As the Lamb of God, at Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

In verse 40, above John is refering to, Isaiah's vision, ( Isa 6:1) where he saw the Lord (Jesus) sitting on the throne, his train filling the temple and verse 3 tells us, the whole earth is full of His Glory, reffering to His second coming as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.

The word Lord in verse 1 of  Isa 6, is the Hebrew word Adonay an emphatic form of the root adown (adon); the Lord (used as a prop.name of God only)

So, one asks, Who is Jesus?   He according to the historical book of the Bible is the God of the Bible.

Has he shown himself??   You be the judge..

Petro

Someguy,

I am willing to look at the stars and sky etc., and say something or someone, or some higher being, referring to God had to put it there, and I leave it go at that.

That is what the people who fought in the "American Revolution" did. I'm referring to the Deists.

You make a valid point of God being around a very, very, long time, infinity even. Frankly, when it gets to that point it is over my head. And how God got here, I don't have a clue!

You may be interested to know, Albert Einstein, who was obviously a great believer in and contributor to science as well, was a Deist.  

Regards,

questions

Someguy,

You said:


If you have read any of my posts in the Creation vs. Evolution thread, then you would have seen that the basis of my argumentation comes from my faith in God and in His Word.  I believe God to exist, as I believe that this world is evidence of that fact.  I believe Him also to exist because of His revealed word.  He has shown Himself in both.  Yet, you want proof.  What proof would satisfy that does not require you to have faith in it?

As for the other religions, each, and every one (some under the name "Christian") is dependent on man's work to obtain temporary salvation.  If man fails to live up to his end of the proverbial bargain - he is lost.  There are many on this forum that attempt to marry biblical christianity with the worlds system of "religion."  True christianity looks to Jesus Christ as the author and finisher of our faith.  He paid the price and offers that payment for our sin for permanent forgiveness.  If I have faith in that work, that God-Man, and if I repent and confess my sins, then I have the salvation others work for.  Salvation dependent on Jesus' work - not mine.  All other religions have some aspect of the adherent's necessity for work-earned salvation.

You said:


From your own arguments, you state that the very existence of unexplained matter that the evolutionist will claim to be the origin of all things lends to the idea of a Creator:


Regardless of what aspects of that Creator then come into question, the understanding is that it must either have been created or already existed.  The creation itself points, whether in support of, or refutation of, a Creator.  It is either believed, or it is not.  Every evolutionist fights it, not because bible-thumpers force it down their throat, but because they have it engrained in them by the very Creator they so adamantly deny.  As for further evidence...what evidence would suffice that does not require faith to believe it?

You ask for proof.  God expects faith.  What do you require more my friend?

GarColga- That is my point, exactly. Too many people maintain that Jesus lived, way to many for anyone to say he is a mythical character. Even people who disagreed maintain he lived. We asked for proof the bible is accurate, I gave it.


The rest of you, keep up the good work, nice posting.

I just got done reading all of these posts!! VERY INTERESTING~!
   Everyone is trying to 'prove' their 'theories', beliefs, etc.  I can't 'prove' to you that God exists, like you can't 'prove' to me that He doesn't!!!!  You have to take the evidence given to you and consider the sources, the 'thousands' of years that has passed and the unlikely hood that the Bible could have been written in the first place to all fall into place, prophesies that have come to pass, all coincidence???  That it'self would be a miracle.. Jesus did exist,,, proven by historical record... WAS HE THE SON OF GOD??
    I don't know of anyone else ever written about to do the miracles that He did, and rise from the dead!! Did He rise from the dead?  over 500 people saw and spoke to Him...
     I suggest the book The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict by Johs McDowell... It has many historical facts that have been throughly researched.... Please find it , read it, and then come back here and see what you believe?

As far as God, creation, etc.  God is, was, and always will be. How in the world are we to 'know' where He has been and what He was doing before the world was formed?  We humans, no matter how much we delve into the formation of the world, the bing bang theory, etc. they are all theories.... God is a belief....... you either believe or you don't... It's that simple.... Our job as Christians is to tell you the Good News that Jesus is our Savior and that you have a chance to eternal life through belief in Him and His word.... it is up to you to accept or reject it.... FAITH is just that!!!!  Please get this book and read it throughly.... It is fascinating and it answered a lot of questions I had.. It really  helped me to quiet the questions in my heart and gave my soul rest.... Good luck and God bless,,,,, Joy

People keep saying that proof of his existence requires faith.  How am I supposed to see the evidence without faith?  Really that is not evidence at all.  It would require blind acceptance of something with no evidence for it at all which is backwards to me.  It would be like me telling you that only by divorcing any beliefs you had and giving yourself completely and blindly to the ideas of evolution, for example, would you ever be able to see proof that it exists.  From that standpoint doesn't it seem silly?
Yes, you have given me evidence that some of the historical, non-religious parts of the bible are true, which does lend it slightly more credibility, but in no way proves its truth.

I may get this wrong but I will mention it anyway.


There was a study done that covered " is Jesus who they say Jesus is"

It covered the Prophecies and the study concluded that he is who the bible says he is and the chances of anyone else fullfilling just 8 of the 300 pre-prophecies about him was

1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000  

It is discribed as covering the state of Texas two feet deep in silver dollars and then putting an X on one of the Dollars and someone walking out in Texas and throwing the dollar with the X on it just randomly and then go get a Blind man place him in Texas just anywhere and telling him he has one chance to pick up the one silver dollar with the X on it.  

So if you want to do a search and locate the information for yourself there is the word of God and it is basicly free if you go to just about any AOG church.  they will give you one and you can study the same prophecies.  until then you should not open your faithless opinion up.  I can take the word of God as proof enough that Jesus is who he says he is and who the word says he is.



Have you read the entire word of God?

 Hebrews 9:26.  For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

 Hebrews 9:28.  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto THEM that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Open up your hearts to receive something other than what you can sense with your eyes, nose, ears, body, and mouth.

The heart spiritually senses and sees God. The day is coming when the physical senses will know Him again as all eyes will see Him, sinner and believer. Even those that hung Him on the tree.

Sometimes we have to quit 'looking' with our head or intellect and just search with our hearts.  Blessed are you 'Thomas" for you have seen and believed, but more blessed are those who have not seen and still believed!  What more can you say ?.
     Faith sometimes doesn't make any sense.  In fact most of the time it doesn't... it is based on the Word, the historical facts which more and more are being uncovered all the time, and the 'still small  voice' that you hear, the feeling of peace that you can't explain to anyone.  The 'presence' of the Holy Spirit as it guides you in your life... The evidence of the small every day miracles that you see when you watch a humming bird, or a rainbow...  
     This may all sound kind of nostalgic, but it is an every day presence that is 'felt' in your heart.  May your search bring you there.... God bless, Joy

Early57:  I've heard that argument and I'm not sure how it goes either, but that does not sound correct....please explain in more detail.

In response to looking with more than my eyes, ears, etc.:  
You all assume that I have not looked.  I spent several years of my life attending church.  Never did I feel what you all tell me I haven't searched for.  This feeling has never come to me after years of church and then searching for it on my own.  In those days I did not have the doubts that I have now.  But as I did not find this feeling, I began to search with my mind, my eyes, ears, etc. which has lead me to where I am now.

Have faith in God.

God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


Petro

Someguy,, I wish I had an easy answer for you, but easy isn't the way to Christ.... sometimes our intellect can get in the way and the things we 'know' are the things that block us from what is right....
   All I know that it says in the Bible to seek and you will find, knock and it shall be opened up to you... so do not cease seeking, God will show Himself to those who are seeking with an open heart and mind , don't close off your 'mind' with a prove it to me or else attitude.... search with a heart that is saying, God, please show yourself to me, make in me a pure heart where you can reside.... keep searching,,,and may God open up your eyes and your heart to all He can give you... Joy

Someguy,

You are not far from coming to know God if you have invested so much energy and time into having it proven to you.

The hard part of it all, is that to know God we have to lay down our own rebellious pride. We, as humans do not so easily do that.  I went to church, I would have even told you I was a Christian, although I hardly was.  I lived for me, and was essentially my own little god. It is times when the weight of the consequences of our own choices brings us to our knees, that we cry out to God.  Sometimes, even after God intervenes on our behalf during those times of crisis, we then take on our own godliness again, not really giving up  our own miserable ways for God's. But for those of us who truly desire to follow Him, He reaches out and brings us to Him, and we belong.  It is only then that our eyes and ears are opened to His truth.  It is about desire.  When your desire is to leave the life you now have, that is when your answers will come.

 Hi E57...
The actual numbers are slightly different.
Here's a quote from Grant Jeffrey's book "The Signiture Of God"

 "The Old Testament contains over three hundred passages that refer to the first coming of the Messiah. Within these hundreds of passages, Bible scholars have found fourty-eight specific details about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. These scriptural prophecies were published over five centuries before Christ was born in Bethlehem."

 To make a point, seventeen of these prophecies were examined.
 " we will examine seventeen specific prophecies in this analysis of Old Testament predictions that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus of Nazareth."

 To view the seventeen prophecies click this link...
www.xsorbit4.com/users/greentea/index.cgi?board=apologetics&action=display&num=1052971524 (http://www.xsorbit4.com/users/greentea/index.cgi?board=apologetics&action=display&num=1052971524)

 The combined probability against these 17 predictions occuring is equal to...
 1 chance in 480 Billion x 1 Billion x 1 Trillion
or...1 chance in 480,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

To someguy,
I found your question interesting. I'm happy to know that your thinking about God. He loves you and certaintly thinks about you.
Eph. 2:8-9 tells us that we are saved by grace through faith. It is a gift of God. We all come to Christ( his Son) the same way, by His grace through faith.
Pray that God will reveal himself to you.
The Bible tells us that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Holy Scripture leads us to Christ.  2Tim3;15
I'm new on this forum.
god bless you,
bluelake  :)

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Hi, John here:
It [is] ALL here & there! If you read Hebrews 6:3-6 you will see two class of people that have been Born Again. There is NO POSSIBILITY of these ones to NOT KNOW & BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS! Just check the possitives! (they even know why we have a male & female with two set of kneecaps! :))

Yes. There are another class who have never been Born Again, and these ones will need to commit SPIRITUAL SUICIDE (I give up Lord) to have this above belief & understanding.

---John

someguy,
Do not concern yourself with your experience.
Ask these questions: " Why does anything exist?
 Why can't there be nothing?
 What would "nothing" be like?
 Does "nothing" have a color? Is it clear? No, that would be something.
You see, the human mind cannot conceive of "nothing." Like someone has said: "I think, therefore I am."

Was there ever a time when there was "nothing"? If so, how did something arrive?
There always had to be something.
But what form of existence was that "something".  How could there be enough energy to keep that "something" going for eternity? The laws of physics defy such a thought. Everything we see had to have a beginning, but "something" had to begin it. What was that "something".
By now you should be coming to the conclusion that there has to be a Great Something that has been forever. But do not bother imagining what that Great Something is. Just look in the Bible and you will see.

Gen 1:1  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Isa 40:21  Don't you know? Haven't you heard? Isn't it clear that God created the world?
Isa 40:22  God is the one who rules the whole earth, and we that live here are merely insects. He spread out the heavens like a curtain or an open tent.
Isa 40:23  God brings down rulers and turns them into nothing.
Isa 40:24  They are like flowers freshly sprung up and starting to grow. But when God blows on them, they wilt and are carried off like straw in a storm.
Isa 40:25  The holy God asks, "Who compares with me? Is anyone my equal?"
Isa 40:26  Look at the evening sky! Who created the stars? Who gave them each a name? Who leads them like an army? The LORD is so powerful that none of the stars are ever missing.
Isa 40:27  You people of Israel, say, "God pays no attention to us! He doesn't care if we are treated unjustly." But how can you say that?
Isa 40:28  Don't you know? Haven't you heard? The LORD is the eternal God, Creator of the earth. He never gets weary or tired; his wisdom cannot be measured.
Isa 40:29  The LORD gives strength to those who are weary.
Isa 40:30  Even young people get tired, then stumble and fall.
Isa 40:31  But those who trust the LORD will find new strength. They will be strong like eagles soaring upward on wings; they will walk and run without getting tired.

asaph
 

If you are asking why God hasn't shown himself, or don't believe in Him creating the Universe, read:

Job 38:4-42

God asks 84 questions of Job. Job didn't answer one. Can you?

So Asaph: by saying "do not concern yourself with your experience", are you saying to forego all logical and rational thinking?  to ignore everything that makes me human?

You are also saying that the universe or some version of it cannot have possibly existed forever.  It had to be designed.  But then what about God?  Wouldnt God then have to be designed?  If He has existed forever, for what purpose?  Why can a God exist forever but not the universe or some version of it?

  Someguy: Why doesn't God show Himself? Well, how about if He descended from heaven and lived among men for 33 years, giving many miraculous signs, even to the point of raising people from death, told in advance that He would be put to death but rise again on the third day and then did just that--how would that be? Try seriously reading the gospels
and take seriously His statement that anyone who has seen Him has seen the Father. Learn more about Jesus, and as you study, remember that Jesus is exactly like God the Father is.
As you read, realize the same compassion which you see in Jesus is also in the Father. Finally, take seriously Jesus statement: "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign shall be given it but the sign of Jonah; for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the grat fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." That means that the ultimate testimony to the deity of Christ is His resurrection.
That is the one thing all unbelief must deal with.

God has shown himself, and Abraham said to the rich man, while he was in torment after having died;

If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Even if God showed himself, people still would not be persuaded to repent.
 

Jhn 1
1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 Tim 3
16  .................God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Petro

someguy said
Someguy, I may run the risk of being kicked off here, but I must speak. I myself was a devout Baptist, and was baptised. When I noticed the world and the universe did not work as the Bible said, and that many concepts of the Bible were illogical, and that a lot of the stories sounded like bad fairy stories, I began to use my mind, eyes, ears, etc..
I came to the realization that if God and religion are out of the equation, the universe works without all the double speak, circular reasoning and logical contradictions. When I realised these things, I felt the freedom and truth the devout had always claimed for themselves.
Just my two cents worth.

Eyeball

Very well put Eyeball, thanks.