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Title: Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: tony on April 21, 2004, 01:44:41 PM Which came first... the chicken or the egg? For extra credit, please explain your answer!
Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: JudgeNot on April 21, 2004, 03:34:17 PM Elementary my dear Watstony:
Genesis 1 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. So – in verse 21 He created the fowl, then in verse 22 He told them to multiply (no – not do math, but lay eggs!). ;D Hence: without a doubt the chicken came first. How much extra credit do I get??? ;D Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: tony on April 22, 2004, 02:13:42 PM Hence: without a doubt the chicken came first. How much extra credit do I get??? ;D Mega bonus points, my Brother!!! :D Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: ebia on April 22, 2004, 05:52:20 PM Hence: without a doubt the chicken came first. How much extra credit do I get??? ;D Mega bonus points, my Brother!!! :D Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: ollie on April 23, 2004, 06:29:09 PM (http://www.wtv-zone.com/coplove/Fun/agrin.gif) :-X
Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: thommy on February 16, 2005, 02:40:07 AM Hi all,
If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed. cheers, Thom Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Bronzesnake on February 16, 2005, 02:30:43 PM Hi all, If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed. cheers, Thom So the question then should be - which came first the dinosaur or the chicken? ??? By the way, not all dinosaurs laid eggs. So, what's the question now? ??? Also, how much older is the dinosaur than the chicken? ??? :-\ Bronzesnake Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Evangelist on February 16, 2005, 03:56:49 PM Hi all, If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed. cheers, Thom So the question then should be - which came first the dinosaur or the chicken? ??? By the way, not all dinosaurs laid eggs. So, what's the question now? ??? Also, how much older is the dinosaur than the chicken? ??? :-\ Bronzesnake You're absolutely right, Bronze....and the dinosaur came first. That is absolutely and beyond a shadoo of a doubt proven conclusively by the existence of the famous dinosaur-becomes-chicken-because-it-has-feathers fossil. And it is now believed that it was a live birth! And since it took the dinosaur somewhere between 6,000 and leventy-dozen billion years to make that transition, it is obviously much much older. The oldest pure chicken fossil found is only about 12,000 years old. Given enough time (??), I'm sure we'll find some other fossils that are even more intermediate between the dinosaur and the pure chicken (banty roosters). ::) Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Bronzesnake on February 16, 2005, 05:46:18 PM Hi all, If you wanted to get technical about it, I think you'd have to say that the egg came first, seeing as dinosaurs laid eggs well before the chiken existed. cheers, Thom So the question then should be - which came first the dinosaur or the chicken? ??? By the way, not all dinosaurs laid eggs. So, what's the question now? ??? Also, how much older is the dinosaur than the chicken? ??? :-\ Bronzesnake You're absolutely right, Bronze....and the dinosaur came first. That is absolutely and beyond a shadoo of a doubt proven conclusively by the existence of the famous dinosaur-becomes-chicken-because-it-has-feathers fossil. And it is now believed that it was a live birth! And since it took the dinosaur somewhere between 6,000 and leventy-dozen billion years to make that transition, it is obviously much much older. The oldest pure chicken fossil found is only about 12,000 years old. Given enough time (??), I'm sure we'll find some other fossils that are even more intermediate between the dinosaur and the pure chicken (banty roosters). ::) LOL! Let's be more specific my friend, so as not to confuse. You mean the FAKE - dinosaur-becomes-chicken-because-it-has-feathers fossil. Bronzesnake :D Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: thommy on February 16, 2005, 09:21:08 PM Hi all,
Perhaps I should have been more clear as to what I meant, and more careful not to set off your collective "deny evolution" alarms, but I was simply refering to an egg an entity seperate from a chicken all together. Seeing as Dinosaurs produced things called eggs, then that becomes the answer to the question. Not because the dinosaur gave birth to a chicken, but simply because it laid an egg of any variety. Hope that clears things up a bit. cheers, Thom Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Bronzesnake on February 17, 2005, 03:21:13 AM Hi all, Perhaps I should have been more clear as to what I meant, and more careful not to set off your collective "deny evolution" alarms, but I was simply refering to an egg an entity seperate from a chicken all together. Seeing as Dinosaurs produced things called eggs, then that becomes the answer to the question. Not because the dinosaur gave birth to a chicken, but simply because it laid an egg of any variety. Hope that clears things up a bit. cheers, Thom The reason you didn't, and won't get a serious answer is because we don't want to set off your "deny creation" brain cramps. ::) Bronzesnake Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Kris777 on February 17, 2005, 03:48:40 AM Quote Seeing as Dinosaurs produced things called eggs, then that becomes the answer to the question. Not because the dinosaur gave birth to a chicken, but simply because it laid an egg of any variety. Any variety? You make it sound like it decided to give birth to a horse and maybe then a fish and then when it felt like it a cow. I do think that things can change slightly over time, but I don't think that everything came from a single cell that was a form of bacteria and then became more complex. That I won't by. Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: thommy on February 17, 2005, 04:16:11 AM Bronze,
I wouldn't dream of denying cration as you so crassly suggested. To do such a thing would be contrary to the Bible, and very un-Christian. I wholeheartedly beleive that the universe in which we live was created by God, and that we are the products of that creation. In that, I'm sure we can at least find some common ground. My own views on the evolution creation matter are probably something for another thread, but I'm sure you would argue them with the same welcome vigor you argue most of your points. I really wasn't looking for a fight on the chicken and egg bit, it was more of a joking observation, that I think dinosaurs laid some form of egg before the chicken existed... thats it.. no argument intended. On another note, I do think that a lot of evolutionary theory is slightly more than a brian cramp, but you're perfectly entitled to your opinion..albeit usually divergent from my own. Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post. I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species. So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did. I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse. thanks, Thom Oh, as an adendum, although this is a completely seperate matter, Bronze, I've really enjoyed your satunch defence of your position on the Jewish question. For the record, I think you're bang on with this one, and you should be commended for your wisdom in that particular side of the debate. Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Kris777 on February 17, 2005, 12:01:05 PM Quote Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post. I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species. So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did. I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse. Jimmy can't lay an egg, maybe Jimmetta, but not Jimmy. ;D I agree with what Silver wrote. Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Bronzesnake on February 17, 2005, 12:10:10 PM Thommy quote..
Quote Bronze, I wouldn't dream of denying cration as you so crassly suggested. To do such a thing would be contrary to the Bible, and very un-Christian. I wholeheartedly beleive that the universe in which we live was created by God, and that we are the products of that creation. In that, I'm sure we can at least find some common ground. My own views on the evolution creation matter are probably something for another thread, but I'm sure you would argue them with the same welcome vigor you argue most of your points. I really wasn't looking for a fight on the chicken and egg bit, it was more of a joking observation, that I think dinosaurs laid some form of egg before the chicken existed... thats it.. no argument intended. On another note, I do think that a lot of evolutionary theory is slightly more than a brian cramp, but you're perfectly entitled to your opinion..albeit usually divergent from my own. Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post. I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species. So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did. I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse. thanks, Thom Oh, as an adendum, although this is a completely seperate matter, Bronze, I've really enjoyed your satunch defence of your position on the Jewish question. For the record, I think you're bang on with this one, and you should be commended for your wisdom in that particular side of the debate. Thommy. I "crassly" suggested it, because you "crassly" suggested the opposite...I thought that was evident. ??? For the record, and without getting into any debate...micro, not macro. I am offering anyone who wants to debate evolution/creation the opportunity to do so on The Fifth Day forum. I believe it is an important topic for Christians to get a true grasp of. I suppose you have viewed "In The Begining" right here in the Bible Study thread? I guess this whole topic boils down to a philisophical argument, and not really a Biblical one. Thanks for the support on my debate in regard to the Jews...I wish you would have backed me up though! :D Bronzesnake Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: thommy on March 24, 2005, 01:33:07 AM Hi Chancellor,
I wasn't saying that dino's evolved into chickens, simply that they were on the planet before the chickens were. In my line of argumentation, there is room for both sides of the coin. One could say that God created the chicken as an entire creature, but simply did so after he had done the same for the dino. No need to even get into the tired evolution / creation debate. Although, by your signature "B. Div." I would assume that you are / have studied divinity, in which case you may concider yourself something of an expert and are looking to flex some doctrinal muscle. Either way. thanks, Thom Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Evangelist on March 24, 2005, 02:04:07 PM Quote Kris777, I feel remiss in pointing out that you misinterpreted my post. I was pointing out that a dinosaur, lets call him jimmy, laid an egg before the chicken existed as a species. So, the egg that jimmy laid, still an egg in its own right, sat on this planet before the chicken did. I was not suggesting that the egg opened and produced a horse. Jimmy can't lay an egg, maybe Jimmetta, but not Jimmy. ;D I agree with what Silver wrote. Kriss: Not to disagree with you ;D, but......... It was Jimmy, not Jimmetta. You see, the dinosaurs were of that group that lusted after it's own kind, and because of that were given over to a reprobate mind.....that's why they ate each other, large trees, and lived in swampy areas full of mosquitos. AND, on top of it all, the end result of it was when Jimmy laid an egg that contained a chicken, and the chicken turned out to be meaner than Jimmy (it being a Banty Rooster that KNEW he was a he), and proceeded to peck the dickens out of him.....which meant that Jimmy then became hen-pecked, and you all know that a hen-pecked male that lays eggs can't survive very long, and before you know it the dinosaurs ceased to exist. Actually, they quickly learned (natural selection, you know) that if they held a vote, and selected (naturally) one of their more reprobate members to be the guinea pig, and sacrificed him/her/it to the rampaging chickens, then the rest of the dinosaurs would have enough time to grow feathers and learn to fly, and thus be able to stay out of the reach of the chickens who couldn't fly. And thus we have the evolution of the well-known and oft beloved guinea pig that runs in circles and through tubes while doing absolutely nothing of value. ;) Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: nChrist on March 24, 2005, 02:43:59 PM Evangelist,
;D ;D ROFL! WOW! - That explains it perfectly. (http://www.sirinet.net/~blkidps/s43.gif) Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Evangelist on March 24, 2005, 04:46:45 PM Evangelist, ;D ;D ROFL! WOW! - That explains it perfectly. (http://www.sirinet.net/~blkidps/s43.gif) Thank ya...thank ya vurry mush! It's at least as purrfect as being a pinhead dot of dust that became everything! ;D Title: Re:Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Joshua on April 01, 2005, 02:51:25 AM ooo can I answer the question?
The Chicken came first. Now as to why- When God created Adam and Eve he created them in the prime of their life. When he created Earth he created it in the prime of its life. And through these I see a pattern ( there are more but it is late and I am too tired to find them). God created all things in their prime, so the Chicken came first in the prime of its life. Title: Re: Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: MusicMedic5150 on December 29, 2006, 08:36:29 PM I don't care cause both of em are good to eat!!! :P
Title: Re: Sophisticated & Philosophical Question! Post by: Shammu on December 29, 2006, 08:56:13 PM I don't care cause both of em are good to eat!!! :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |