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(2 Timothy 3:16 KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Have you ever NOTICED THE "ORDER" of the words in II Timothy 3:16 in RELATION to Paul's epistles?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is PROFITABLE:

for DOCTRINE
for REPROOF
for CORRECTION
for INSTRUCTION in righteousness
Now look at the how Paul's Epistles are placed in the Bible:

Romans ----doctrine
1 and 2 Corinthians ---- reproof
Galatians ---- correction
Ephesians ---- doctrine
Philippians ---- reproof
Colossians ---- correction
1 and 2 Thessalonians ---- doctrine
1 and 2 Timothy ---- instruction
Titus and Philemon ---- instruction

Interesting...

DITTO!     ;D



A very good observation on someones part if it be a true observation.  8)

 ???     ;D

It is a good post and gives much thought for reflection on the word of God and the message contained therein.

I have to study more to see if those books do truly reflect what you say or what someone else is saying if this is a copy.

However it is good food for thought.

Thanks,
Ollie

John here:
I thought that the verse stated ALL SCRIPTURE? Just New Testament includes all? ???

Then Christ says to live by EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. Matt. 4:4

I am sorry, but in Peter's 'wordings' of inspiration it seems that 2 Peter 3:15-17 is also of quality importance! Any Doctrine with out the Old Testament, is NOT EVERLASTING GOSPEL! No way! See Isaiah 8:20
---John

PS: I thought your observation of added.. 'If it be true Doctrine' hit the nail on the head!
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An observation on your observation. If Paul did indeed write 2 Tim. (most scholars don't believe that he did) it seems unlikely that he would consider his own letters 'scripture', since the New Testament was still far in the future.

Hi, John here:
I do not  expect you to see this as I do, OK? I SEE IT AS THE WORD OF GOD. [ALL OF IT-66 Books recorded finally]. The Word says that the Gospel is EVERLASTING! And the Word says that the Covenant IS EVERLASTING! (ETERNAL) Rev. 14:6 & Heb. 13:20.

Was it written yet, that is of no concern to me. For I even believe that Eccl. 1:9-10 & Eccl. 3:15 states that there is NO NEW THING UNDER THE SUN. You see, Adam was tested, & I believe before Adam, there was a testing for ALL of the plural ones of Heb.'s world's'! And even the angels were nothing NEW, they were tested also, and what happened? And man was made in the image of God? God was 'the' creator, Yet he made it so man was a type of creator, or pro/creator. (children)

One more? OK :), Cain was Adams first born, or 'his' creation, so who was the Master's first creation? Cain fell, so did Christ's first creation, LUCIFFER!

So, you see, 'i' do not expect you to follow my FAITH & BELIEF. Nor to keep up with my faith. But lets do try one more! Matt. 25:1 is likened to the Kingdom of *Heaven! With  5 wise & 5 foolish VIRGINS. (pure Doctrines)
50% split in faith & rebellion. 1/3 were finally cast unto earth. From 1/3 to 1/2 are the percentage that the EVERLASTING GOSPEL saved in the FAITH of Christ's FUTURE mission completed in due coarse. See Heb. 11 for comparrison, verse 13?
Wow, huh? Yet, this is the way 'i' read Rom. 4:17's last part.

That is what 'i' believe! But it does not even stop there! Christ said that in the LAST days that knowledge would be increased! (Yet, the bible has already been in print, huh?) And in Hosea 4:6 His WORD states that IF WE REJECT KNOWLEDGE HE WILL REJECT THEE! FACT! Same truth, but just magnified! See Isa. 42:21 perhaps?
So, you see, we just come from different 'tribes' hopefully? ;)
---John
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You know, I read your post  and was actually surprised to see at the bottom that you were responding to me! What in the world are you going on about?

This is a statement by Paul as to how he regarded his epistles, (letters).


 1 Corinthians 14:37.  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

DITTO  ;D

2 Timothy 3;16-This refers to the supernatural guidance of the writers of Scripture by the Spirit of God,so that what they wrote was the divine Word of God,transcribed accurately,reliably,and without error in the original manuscripts (autographs).The word inspirations itself pictures God breathing out His Word to men. Illustration;Not everything written by an apostle or a prophet was necessarily inspired.Paul wrote at least three epistles to the Corinthians,but apparently only two were an inspired record (1 Cor.5;9).Samuel,Nathan,and Gad each wrote accounts of David's life;only one of these prophets produced an inspired record (1 Chr.29;29).
Application;Since the Scriptures are given to help Christians grow in maturity,they should rely upon them for doctrine,reproof,correction,and instruction in righteousness (right living).

Inspiration of God (Gr.theopneustos,lit.,God -breathed ) describes the unique character of Scripture.It is not only written by men,but authored by God.For doctrine means to tell one what to believe.For reproof means to tell one what is wrong.For correction means to tell one how to correct wrong.For instruction in righteousness means to tell one how to live.
Perfect (Gr.artios,proficient,capable) is having everything needed to do what God wants.Thoroughly furnished means throughly equipped.God's inspired Word,properly used and applied,provides all we need for life and ministry.

God Bless.

We have what man call the four Gospels. None are alike in wordings! Inspired of the Holy Ghost does not mean in the language that man 'see' the inspiration. He chooses his own wordings for expression. Unless one thinks that God uses some words such as seen in 1 Sam. 25:22 & others.. + Heb. 12:8?
----John

I like to see you prove that one there guy.  I see where you are coming from now.  It makes sense why you are so lost now.

Hi, John here:
Good, finally after 'months' of print, you are finally 'seeing' some of God's other 180 degree's of light?  :) So lets see if you can [really] believe God from here on or not?? You know, 'real' FAITH.

You want PROOF. Proof you WILL GET. But only 'IF' you can see! For when Christ comes He asks.. WILL I FIND FAITH ON EARTH?? And you DO BELIEVE THAT QUESTION OF HIS,
right ???
You know the old saying? God Said it, & I believe it, & that SETTLES IT FOR ME? (or is that old testament too?)

OK: Who was before Adam & Eve? Heb. tell's us of other Worlds, the 's' IS plural. But we want the VERY FIRST of Gods creation!? Eze. 28 says about Luciffer, that he was PERFECT in the days that thou was CREATED'. (he fell from 'GRACE' by the way! and was cast out of heaven down to earth, with his helpers. Matt. 25:1-2)

OK: God created here on earth Adam & Eve. In '*OUR IMAGE' no less, THEY say. They were creators, and Adam & Eve were created so that THEY could be (TWO) pro/creators. (you know, the birds & bee's?)

Anyway, Adam & Eve had a FIRST son that rebelled. We could go on all day about the LOVE that they must have had for him? And ALSO about his beauty & his intelligence. But you being shallow in faith so far, (see Heb. 5) might call [God's Word], mere speculation? But NOTICE CLOSELY these verses again, and test everything in His Word with them. But remember that because there are a couple of times that history does not REPEAT, THEY ALWAYS tell you these times because there are so FEW OF THEM! Na. 1:9 & the RAINBOW for starters.

Now NOTICE WHAT INSPIRATION SAYS: (with emphasis & in part)

"The THING that HAS BEEN, IT IS THE THING WHICH SHALL BE; and THAT WHICH IS DONE IS THAT WHICH SHALL BE DONE: and THERE [IS NO NEW THING UNDER] HEAVEN" Ecc. 1:9

------Who was Adam & Eve's first pro/created one that fell? Who does God tell us CLEARLY in the above verse that was His first creation that fell? The GodHead's first created one had the highest possibly POSITION in the Universe & was LOVED DEARLY because of his being their FIRST of creation! (THINK! Everlasting Gospel & Everlasting Covenant-AND THINK CHARACTER DEVELOPEMENT!)

God said it & I believe it, and that SETTLES IT FOR ME! But, can a person created in the IMAGE of GOD have [THINKING] privaliges?? (that is also FAITH, huh?) OK: Lets check to see if the GodHead are CONSISTANT?  :)

Verse 10 ibide:
"IS THERE [ANYTHING] WHEREOF IT MAY BE SAID, SEE, THIS IS NEW? IT HATH BEEN [ALREADY OF OLD TIME, WHICH WAS BEFORE US]:.." (it is good that God did not pause to let you birds get you 2003 year old knowledge added in here, huh?)    

Surely: 'IF' one REALLY BELIEVED GOD, they could clear up most of theologies questions! Think of the Heb. 6:6's second time prophecy! Think of the two witnesses of Rev. (N.T. & O.T.)  THINK OF TWO VIRGIN DENOMINATION THAT WERE LEFT DESOLATE! Think of THE [SECOND] COMING. Think of Matt. 24:14's *SECOND time REQUIREMENT! And on & on! O'yes, what was the TESTING just before they were to enter their land of Cannan in Ex, 16?)   ;)

Perhaps God made a mistake, That surely helps your faith, huh? God can be WRONG! WOW!! :'( :'(

So, lets seeeee? HE REPEATS IT AGAIN FOR THE HARDHEAD ONES, LIKE MOST!?

Eccl. 3:5 He says:
"That which HATH BEEN [IS NOW]; and THAT WHICH [IS TO BE HATH ALREADY BEEN; AND *GOD REQUIRETH THAT WHICH IS PAST.]"

And your remark of: 'It makes sense why you are so lost now'!
Your message has God's name recorded on it in the heavenly Record Books! These SCRIPTUAL WORDS ARE HIS! (not mine) But, WHAT IS NEW, HE ASKS???
---John
 

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Wow talk about twisting, misunderstanding, and adding to what's no there.  You seem to be good at that aren't ya?  I might suggest taking some basic grammar classes as you either have the worst case of brain farts between your brain and fingers or you just have no command of the english language.

I'm not going to show you how all of what you said is pretty much wrong, but here's a couple.

Adam did no creating whatsoever.  I didn't see Adam pick up some dirt form Cain and blow breath into his nose making him "alive".  

"There's nothing new under the sun",  wow Sherlock you're pretty quick huh?  Let's see, considering that God created the sun and everything under it, I suppose nothing would be new to Him, without even adding the fact that God exists outside of time.  If one has no boundries to time then things don't happen in "sequence" as we know them.  Hence "Christ was the lamb slain before the foundation of the earth.  Maybe you should think about this also.  Has it ever occured to you that nothing occurs to God?  You also think that you have a part in your salvation and that your works will keep it or lose it.

When you can type good coherent sentences why don't you come back and try again.  I don't think you understand english enough to get too deep into things.  Next you'll start telling me that there was a whole creation before the earth and that God really lives on the planet Nibiru.   ::)

Our church confesses the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as the inspired Word of God, through which God still speaks, and as the only source of the Church's doctrine and the authoritative standard for the faith and life of the Church.

We believe that the Word of God is living, active, powerful, and life changing (Gen 1; Jn 1.1-14; 2 Cor 3.6; Heb 4.12).  At its heart, the Word of God refers to the Gospel, the "Good News" of Jesus Christ.

What then is the Word of God?  The Word is the gospel of God concerning his Son, who was made flesh, suffered, rose from the dead, and was glorified through the Spirit who sanctifies.  To preach Christ means to feed the soul, make it righteous, set it free and save it, provided it believes the preaching.  Faith alone is the saving and efficacious use of the Word of God.

This is why we place such emphasis on preaching.  Christ did not command the apostles to write, but only to preach and the church is a mouth house, not a pen house.  In other words, we come to church not just to read words on a page but to hear God's living Word speaking to us personally.  This Word of God - preached, believed and professed - is what makes Christians distinctive and recognizable.

But we are speaking of the external Word, preached orally by people like you and me, for this is what Christ left behind as an external sign by which his church, or his Christian people in the world, should be recognized.  We also speak of this external Word as it is sincerely believed and openly professed before the world.

Because the Bible contains the Gospel, we believe it is the Word of God in written form.  We read the Bible always focussing first and foremost on the Gospel.  Whenever we look at a passage of the Bible, we ask:  Where is the Good News of God's love in Christ in this text?  In this way, the Bible is the living, active, powerful and life changing "inspired Word of God, through which God still speaks."

We try to relate the Gospel message found in the Bible to real life situations of people today.  This is a matter of deeds (living according to the Gospel day by day) as well as words.

We try to understand the Bible within the historical context in which it was written.  We see the importance of scholarly historical study of the Bible.

We try to read the Bible in keeping with Christian tradition and with the wider consensus of the church.  We do not claim to have discovered a "new" teaching/message in the Bible.

It is more important to take the Bible seriously that to take it "literally."  Indeed, sometimes people who claim to take the Bible "literally" end up trivializing its message.  (For example, the point of the book of Jonah is not whether or not a human being can possibly be swallowed by a big fish:  rather, it is to love and forgive our enemies the way that God does.)

John here: Saved_4ever ??? First comes CONVERSION! If that is not understood, then try.. 'Ye MUST BE BORN AGAIN'.
And I will leave that with the forum to decide? It surely does not take much 'meat of the Word' to read your stuff.

I realize thast some are still not to the 'milk' of the Word even. Still sucking on the pacifier!

And about telling you .. 'that next you will tell me that there is a whole creation before earth..' ??? ???  :'(

Look 'big stuff', if you would live by Matt. 4:4, you would KNOW that God Himself said so.

"Hath in these, last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom he hath appointed heir of ALL THINGS, [BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS:" (do you know what the last letter of 's' means? Heb. 1:2

Lets see if we can find another 's' on Christs creation? His WORD says:
"Throught FAITH (and you did not even know this, wow!) we understand that the [WORLD'S'] were framed by the WORD OF GOD ..." Heb. 11:3

But: In ALL fairness, this forum looks like a graveyard, and I suspect that it is your loving sweet Saved_4ever and VERY d-e-a-d missives that have driven most 'seekers' off!  :'(
---John
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You are still clueless as ever.  HHMMM I wonder worlds, plural that wouldn't happen to corrolate to the universe and the several PLANETS OR maybe WORLDS EVEN hhhmmm.  Someone's little brain works overtime on simple issues always missing the bigger one it seems.  I suppose next you tell me that the "our image" in genesis refers to several other beings and such as opposed the obvious Godhead.  What's next from you?  Are you going to start preaching like a Jehovah's witness?  Yer gettin close there buddy.

This board is far from dead and if you counted on anything other than yourself for salvation you'd know, but alas you have no grip on the english language and so you con not seem to grasp what the WORD says.

GarColga,
I don't know what scholars you are refering to but let me refer you to the scholar Peter:
2Pe 3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter, by implication, says Pauls epistles are scripture equal to the other scriptures.

asaph

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John here: No gripe of the english language??

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Yer gettin close there buddy.

This board is far from dead and if you counted on anything other than yourself for salvation you'd know, but alas you
                                                                  V
have no grip on the english language and so you con not seem to grasp what the WORD says.

Apperently not as I said you have no GRIP, GRASP of the english language.  I never said anything about a gripe, which is a completely different word.

LOL! Well, 2 Peter is also widely believed, even by some Evangelical scholars, to be the work of an anonymous writer in the 2nd century! Even Bruce Metzger, a very conservative Bible scholar, has said:

"Although the author of this letter calls himself "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ" (1:1), and makes reference to his being present at the transfiguration of Jesus Christ (1:18), several features of its style and contents have led nearly all modern scholars to regard it as the work of an unknown author of the early second century who wrote in Peter's name....In light of such internal and external evidence one must conclude that 2 Peter was drawn up sometime after A.D. 100 by an admirer of Peter who wrote under the name of the great apostle in order to give his letter greater authority".

1 and 2 Timothy begin what is often referred to as the "Church Epistles" or "Pastoral Epistles". The letters to Timothy and Titus are written to give instruction concerning church order, doctrine and discipline.

We can also look at the order of Paul's Epistles as "milk to meat" with the basic information given first and then each book after adds to the previous knowledge given.

Yet another way:

Cross

Romans
Corinthians


(Faith)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Church

Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
(Love)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Coming

Thessalonians



(Hope)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 Congregation

Timothy
Titus
Philemon
(Fellowship)
 
 

Well you are relentless, Ambassador4Christ, I'll give you that. Are you going to copy and paste from that website all through this thread? I'll save you the trouble & just post a link so it can be read all at once:

http://www.bereanworkman.com/books/rom_phile/order.htm

Forum:
Ask yourself if a [Christian site] would ALLOW ILLEGAL going's on, on a [CHRISTIAN SITE?] (we know that God is being quenched & Grieved by this)

The below post is an open & shut case! One of the two are perhaps even jesuits? Can there be any worse that that? Yes, one of the TWO are [OPENLY THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT CHRIST!] by STEALING anothers work!  Read Eze. 8:18-17 ending of, 'and, lo, they put the branch to their nose'.  

My prayer is, that if the 'Christian site' will not remove the offender permenantly, then I pray that God will. 1 Peter 4:17

And if not? Then perhaps ALL real Christians will will show their 'real Christian men' MORALS & seeing that most Christians are leaving the site here because of this kind of PROFESSION, THEY WILL DO THE SAME!!

----John  
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John,

Goodness, what ARE you GOING on ABOUT??

No OFFENSE here MY friend, BUT you REALLY ought TO organize YOUR thoughts MORE clearly BEFORE posting.

And PLEASE give UP the CAPS thing. AS you CAN see, IT gets KIND of ANNOYING after A while.

Thanks for the link, I never saw this one, a lot of good studies on it. I get a lot of e-mail studies sent to me and do not know who writes them all. Thanks again.  ;D