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No, I am not gay, but I find the amount of gay bashing forum topics shocking, especially since this is the prophecy forum [and therefore off - topic]

Prophecy - Current Events is the area and that sounds about right.

Guess it depends on what your idea of gay-bashing is....

If saying that homosexuality is a sin is bashing, then the Bible is bashing??  .... ::)

Oh, it's a sin allright...  a very grave one, I might add as it invokes other lifestyle-ish bondage that even runs 3 generations.

But when you look at the poll you can clearly see that someone actually voted for :

Now...   that just illustrates my point and that vote behaviour is called blind hate; that brother needs to repent from that, I tell ya !

Actually, it illustrates nothing. I voted for it. As a Texan, I thought it was a gag poll, so I voted for that one... Do you honestly think people truly believe that? Of course not! This blind-stereotyping of Texans is offencive. ::)

Serously, Stop living in lalaland, come back down to Earth, my friend. Get in touch with your fellow man before you attack him for his "blind hatred."

Hmm Gays? well its an open sin.. certainly not hid much these days...Anyway i asked the lord once, how bad is this sin compared to my sins at the time, i was just a new convert...The lord spoke to me and said.

He who has no sin.. let him cast the first stone.

oh.. I get it; i'm the bad guy now :)

No, but I have to admit, your fun to harass. ;-D Honestly, I think you and AJ are looking at Homosexuality all wrong. Dealing with sin in your life, and defining you life by the sin are to different things.

I may fight lust at times, but still I FIGHT lust. Homosexuality implies the person committing it has stopped even caring to fight it, they have completely given into the sin, and let it consume them. Homosexuality doesn’t  just represent the control sin has in our culture, it represents our apathy as a whole for sin. We may lie, and lust, and envy at times, but we fight it.
We do not indulge in the sins. We don’t just sin there and look at porn all day.
We don’t let it define us. we do not walk around saying “I’m a womanizing lust-aholic, but you can all me a ‘lusto’ for short”

Our sin and the sin of a homosexual is not the same thing.

I expect that's pretty much what the guys featured in John 8 1-11 thought.

Our sin and the sin of a homosexual is not the same thing.

pretty good rationalizing, but that statement completely opposes the scripture.

I didn’t vote – there are no proper choices.  

When one is under attack, one tends to fight back.  The radical homosexual agenda is attacking everything Christian – from marriage to the definition of sin.  They are calling Jesus a homosexual.  They accuse non-homosexuals who do not support their agenda “Nazis”.  They would have our children practicing homosexuality in middle-school.  It’s their way or no way.  They are shoving their homosexuality down our throats and they will not rest until we “like it.”  If we disagree with them they accuse us of being filled with “hate”.

They are right!  I HATE sin.  All sin.  I am guilty of sin.  I know what it does to a person – that’s why I hate it so much.  I will always fight against sin.  If someone wants to call that “gay” bashing – then by all means, go for it!  Call me what you will.  I guess I’m also a “liar basher” and “thief basher”.  Yep!  I’m a basher.  I will protect myself and my family against it everyway I know how.  I bash sin.  But I can still love the sinner.  

If this forum isn’t the place to attack sin, then I’m in the wrong place.

Your friendly sin basher,
JN

Judge: apparently many in the USA have been living a life that I know not of; therefore I am only able to tell how i/we 've been living in Europa.

Living as a christian in Europe learned me one thing : keep my eyes focussed on Jesus and His anointing that breaks every yoke.

Watching and bashing sin and/or sinners in not high on my agenda.
Sin makes my cry, sinners make me weep.

Twobombs,
Ah!  I just noted you are from the Netherlands.  Is the Bible hate speech there (as parts of it are in Canada, now)?  I’m not very familiar with the politics in your country.  I know that Europe is very ‘liberal’ – I can see why you must stay focused!  I can definitely offer you my prayers!   ;D

When I say I’m a basher – I of course mean the sin and not the sinner.  I was ‘righteously angry’ when I posted my reply.   >:(

(I'm better, now.)  :)

I am one who will not walk across the street to confront a pair of homosexuals showing public affection (I do work in San Francisco, after all) but if they approach me and ask me what I think about it, they’ll get both barrels!  I will never publicly or privately dismiss the homosexual act as a ‘normal, God given passion’ as the activists claim it to be.  

“Sinners make you weep” – yep, I empathize with that – I surely do…

Call me when my apathy toward homosexuality turns them back Straight. John 8 is referring to attacking those with sin. I am not condoning to attacking of sinners, I trying to explain how the sin of Homosexuality is different from other sins we deal with.



Then oppose it with scripture, if you will.

There is no scale of sinfulness in the Bible where one sin is worse than another, mankind in his arrogance and pride thought this one up, and without any inspiration from Gods word .

Jam 2:10  For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

Rom 3:9  What then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Perhaps you would also like to reread John 8:3-11
then go reread I John 1:8.

Did I say you were.  John 8, like just about any bit of John, has heaps of messages at different levels - to say John 8 deals with this [and only this] is so far off a reasonable approach to St John's gospel it's laughable.   Now try re-reading what I said for my meaning not yours.

And failed.  Sin, is sin.

I’ll remember that when I drink coffee next time. Really going to put a damper on my morning to know the caffeine makes me no better the Heroine addict. ::)

Sin is sin, just like crime is crime. However, a child molester who kids the children he rapes and a j-walker to crosses the street when no cars are coming are not the same level. They both broke laws, both of them are doing things that are ilegal, but they are not both of the same caliber. Likewise, a 5 year-old who breaks a commandment and tells him Mother he did not stain her new white dress isn’t on the same level as a murder.

There is no formal rules about which sins are which, but give me a break. ::) Next you are going to tell me J-walkers should be put to death for breaking the law.

Christ seemed to think anger was as bad as murder, and a lustful glance as bad as adultery.  I suggest you go and read Matthew 5 again.

How we deal with the practicalities in this world has little to do with sin and ideals, and everything to do with practical necessity.  Blasphemy is about as sinful as you can get, but you lot hang murderers but no-one with two brain cells to rub together suggests that blasphemy should even be a crime anymore.

Sin is sin, so look to the plank in your own eye.

That is assuming that I believe the worst sins are physical. Sin don’t have to be physical. Matthew isn’t about all sin being equal, it is about understanding sins aren’t just physical. There are sins of the heart and mind, and they can be just as damaging as sinning of the body. Living in a physical world, be normally thing of Physical sins as being the worst because we can see the damage done normally right away. Sins committed in the heart and mind are of equal caliber are just as bad.



As I said above, we normally assume physical sins are worst because we can see the effects, however, this isn't always the case.



For the plank eye verse to be true, we would have to assume you have a splinter in your own. In terms of sin, for me to have a plank-sized sin, and for you to have a splinter sized sin only proves my point. I must get my big sin out of my life, before I deal with your little sin.

You're so far off the mark, this is a waste of time.  And you call yourself a Catholic.  sigh  ::)

So, did you not have any good replies to my post, or do you just not have the time to reply with your usual brilliance? ;D

Oklahoma Howdy to Tibby,

I'll give you some Oklahoma sunshine, but I'm keeping my brilliance.   ;D

There most certainly is a difference in types of sin in the eyes of God. There are many types of sin that Christians may be guilty of and not even know it at the time. Maybe they learn or realize later what they did was sin, confess those sins, and pray for forgiveness. This is what a Christian must do for more joy and fellowship with Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour. There are no perfect Christians, and all Christians sin, but the difference is their ruler, Jesus Christ and Light.

Now, let's talk about a different kind of sin, like homosexuality. This is a continuous, on purpose, and in God's face type of abomination. There would be no purpose in confessing this sin if the person was going to continue the abomination in the eyes of God. There is no repentance if the person is going to deliberately continue in abomination. As an end result, there is no confession, repentance, or forgiveness for an act the person will intentionally live and wallow in. They are in complete darkness, and they can choose the light if they STOP, CONFESS, REPENT, AND ASK JESUS CHRIST TO COME INTO THEIR HEARTS AS THEIR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR. In other words, they are lost and they will stay lost as long as they allow darkness and the devil to be the ruler of their lives. They are not Christians.

Yes Tibby, there is a difference and you are right. All Christians fight urges and desires of the devil for their entire lives. Any Christian who says they don't fight and resist the devil are either liars or in a comma.

Love In Christ,
Tom

to the gays whom try to resist and look for forgiveness
to the person whom has aborted thier baby and weeps
to the theif whom ask for help and forgiveness
to the repenter  :)

tothe gay and proud of it
to the promoters of abortion
 to the  theif  who has no feeling to his victim
to the boastful :(

Oklahoma Howdy to Butcha,

I think that you just spoke volumes of the truth. I was thinking about a dear friend of my family while reading your post. He has gone home to be with his Lord and Saviour.

He murdered a man while he was robbing a store. His young age and other circumstances were considered, and he got out of prison 18 years later after near perfect behavior and preaching the Gospel in prison. His original sentence was 25 years, so he had a lengthy parole with many obligations.

He gave his heart to Jesus while he was in prison and dedicated his life to ministry, in prison or out. He spent the rest of his life on the road from prison and jail to prison and jail, preaching the Gospel wherever they would let him. The list got huge and eventually involved numerous states. God used him and many small churches tried to help pay for his gasoline and other expenses. A host of his best friends were ministers, and the fact that he was a murderer was washed clean by the BLOOD OF JESUS.

I think that we both tried to make the same point. Who is the BOSS of your life - Jesus or the devil? Yes, my dear friend that I loved was a murderer, but Jesus was his BOSS. After he accepted Jesus Christ, he was nothing but a kind and gentle man who loved Jesus.

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 19:11

11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
KJV

While the bible doesn’t directly address the issue of whether or sin is all equal, and doesn‘t set us a Dante-style hell for each type of sin, we can clearly see thanks to Reba’s post that the Early Church did view sins as different.

While we a quoting verses as proof:

1 John 5:16-17

"If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death."

Then there is the little issue of Blasphemy of the holy spirit being an unpardonable sin.

Come one Ebia, you are starting to sound like an anti-Catholic. Once you show them they are wrong, Oh, they can't waste there time on you, you are hopeless. ::) I expect that from S4E, not from you. You disapoint me, Ebia. ;) ;D

I can't see where you get that from?  I'd hardly be anti-catholic, I work for the RCC remember.

The differences are tangential to the topic of this thread, particularly when I have to debate with one hand metaphorically tied behind my back.  I therefore choose to bow out of this line of debate.

I explained what in the sentence right under that one. Come on, you had to know that. To quote your own post “Are you really this thick, or just pretending?” ;D


The differences are tangential to the topic of this thread, particularly when I have to debate with one hand metaphorically tied behind my back.  I therefore choose to bow out of this line of debate.

Ok, ok, I will respect that... this time ;)You may not get so luck next time, Mr. Bond. ;D

In that case, I still don't get what you meant by that comment, but I guess it doesn't matter.

It was a joke, about how the anti-Catholics lose an arguement, but the save face, they tell us they can't waste there time on us, and we just don't get what they are a saying.

Your killing me Tibby ;D

ROFLOL ;D ;D ;D

I try ;D

I see.