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Title: Is Titus !:6 real ? Post by: dan p on August 18, 2020, 01:56:47 PM Hi and we see that Titus says nthat an ELDER must be the husband of one WIFE .
I have seen Pastors and Elders , NOT ALLOWED , to be Pastors or that anyone SIT on an Elder Board because of a DIVORCE . How do you see it ? dan p Title: Re: Is Titus !:6 real ? Post by: Shammu on August 20, 2020, 04:29:14 PM Wrong verse, Titus 1:7 I believe is the verse that you wanted.
Dan, what if the pastor, elder is a widower?? 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. 1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully Remarriage after the death of a spouse is absolutely allowed by God, I myself am a widower and have been a pastor. The first qualification of an elder/deacon/pastor is to be “above reproach” (1 Timothy 3:2). If the divorce and/or remarriage had no biblical grounds, then the man has damaged his testimony in the church and community; the “above reproach” qualification will exclude him from the pastorate rather than the “husband of one wife” requirement. An elder/deacon/pastor is to be a man whom the church and community can look up to as an example of Christlikeness and godly leadership. If a past divorce and/or remarriage detracts from this ideal, then he should not serve in the position of elder/deacon/pastor. It is important to remember that, even though a man is disqualified from serving as an elder/deacon/pastor, he is still a valuable member of the body of Christ. Every Christian possesses spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4–7) and is called to participate in edifying other believers with those gifts (1 Corinthians 12:7). A man who is disqualified from the position of elder/deacon/pastor can still teach, preach, serve, pray, worship, and play an important role in the church. However if the divorce happen before he became a Christian, then that does not reflect upon his testimony Bob Title: Re: Is Titus !:6 real ? Post by: dan p on August 20, 2020, 07:02:46 PM Wrong verse, Titus 1:7 I believe is the verse that you wanted. Dan, what if the pastor, elder is a widower?? 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. 1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully Remarriage after the death of a spouse is absolutely allowed by God, I myself am a widower and have been a pastor. The first qualification of an elder/deacon/pastor is to be “above reproach” (1 Timothy 3:2). If the divorce and/or remarriage had no biblical grounds, then the man has damaged his testimony in the church and community; the “above reproach” qualification will exclude him from the pastorate rather than the “husband of one wife” requirement. An elder/deacon/pastor is to be a man whom the church and community can look up to as an example of Christlikeness and godly leadership. If a past divorce and/or remarriage detracts from this ideal, then he should not serve in the position of elder/deacon/pastor. It is important to remember that, even though a man is disqualified from serving as an elder/deacon/pastor, he is still a valuable member of the body of Christ. Every Christian possesses spiritual gifts (1 Corinthians 12:4–7) and is called to participate in edifying other believers with those gifts (1 Corinthians 12:7). A man who is disqualified from the position of elder/deacon/pastor can still teach, preach, serve, pray, worship, and play an important role in the church. However if the divorce happen before he became a Christian, then that does not reflect upon his testimony Bob Hi and I did leave out Titue 1:6 where it says ONE WIFE . I believe that divorce is possible by 1 Cor 7:15 if an unbliever would say says I am leaving ! Do you notice that Titus 1:6 says the husband of ONE WIFE and not the other way and the ONUS seems to be on the HUSBAND . I am still looking for a better answer , IF there is ONE ! dan p Title: Re: Is Titus !:6 real ? Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 21, 2020, 10:01:11 AM When studying this subject we must not put emphasis on just a few verses but rather take into account the entire verses of the subject which is to include all portions that teach on the subject of marriage and/or divorce. We also should not forget that Paul was once a murderer and blasphemer before becoming an apostle and elder.
Title: Re: Is Titus !:6 real ? Post by: dan p on September 02, 2020, 07:29:09 PM When studying this subject we must not put emphasis on just a few verses but rather take into account the entire verses of the subject which is to include all portions that teach on the subject of marriage and/or divorce. We also should not forget that Paul was once a murderer and blasphemer before becoming an apostle and elder. Hi and in Phil 3:6 , that under the LAW , Paul was BLAMELESS ! dan p |