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 Hi to all and am on other Christian  Forums  and some believe that Paul  did  WATER  BAPTIZED  !!

 I say Paul  never  WATER  BAPTIZED  ,  so what say you ??

 dan p

  Hi and   IF  you believe that Paul   BAPTIZED , will you explain 1  Cor 15:29    what  BAPTISM  FOR THE  DEAD  ,   means !!

 dan p

 Hi and the  answer is found in 1  Cor 1:15  , Lest anyone should  SAY  that  I Baptized for  my  NAME !!

 The  Greek word for  NAME / ONOMA  is in the  Greek  ACCUSATIVE  CASE  and means Paul had to ORIGINATE WATER  BAPTISM , which Paul nevermdid  water  Baptize !!

The  Greek word  MY  is  EMPHATIC  which means he did NOT  WATER  BAPTIZE !!

 All baptisms were were in the  nbame of the  FATHER , THE  SON AND THE  HOLY SPIRIT ,  Matt 28: 19 or in the  NAME  of the  LORD  JESUS , Acts 19: 5  and notice that the  word   NAME  is in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE  and means it is  LIMITED  to only God's  NAME !!

 dan p

1 Cor 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.

Let us put this in a more clearer manner. Paul is speaking to them about a division among this group as to who they follow because of who baptized them. We cannot say that Paul "never water baptized" as it clearly said that he baptized Crispus and Gaius of those that he was currently speaking to indicating that he could have water baptized others that were not there. However he is saying that he did not bapitize "in my name" but rather in the Name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit and therefore all should be saying that they are followers of Jesus Christ and not “I follow Paul”, “I follow Apollos”, or “I follow Cephas".

BAPTIZO vs BAPTISMA One is a verb and the other a noun. Both words were used by Jesus when He was discussing the baptism of the Holy Spirit and both have been used by the Greeks as in the dipping of bread or vegetables in a broth or in people dunking in water. Baptism in water is not done as a saving action. It is done as in a public declaration. Again, in the verse I gave it was clear that Paul was talking about the baptism in water not that of the Holy Spirit which the latter can only be done by the Holy Spirit. Therefore only a baptism in water might be done in some man's name and not in that of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit alone.

Hi and this is how 1 Cor 1:15 is written and should check the  Greek  text !!

 #1, The  Greek word  ANY / TIS  is in the NOMERATIVE  CASE  of the subject , IF  ANY  should  say !!

 #2 , SHOULD  SAY / EPION  is  controlled  by the  SUJECTIVE MOOD  that some   SHOULD  SAY  ,  I had  baptized  !!

 #3 The  Greek words  I HAD  BAPTIZED /  BAPTIZO  is in Greek  AORIST  Tense ,  ACTIVE  VOICE , and  in the INDICATIVE  MOOD  !!

 The  AORIST tense  means  that  if some one had  , he had  BAPTIZED  . tha he had  BAPTIZED IN THE PAST , is not true and the  INDICATIVE  MOOD  is what said is a FACT  that he did  not  baptize  in PAST  TIME !!

 #4 , The  Greek words  MINE OWN  / EMOS  is in the  ACCUASTIVE  CASE  is in the  DIRECT  OBJECT  that ir is not true !!

 #5  The  Greek  word m NAME / ONOMA  is also in the  ACCUSATIVE  CASE  and that  he is not the  DIRECT OBJECT  of doing water  BAPTISMS !!

 Use  Blue  letter  bible or  Bible  Hub  to check !!

 Check  Acts 19:4  and 6  !

 Acts  19:4  uses mthe  Greek word   BAPTIZO  and  followed bybthe  Greek word  BAPTIMA   in that same  verse !!

 In  Acts 19:3  it uses both  Greek words  BAPTIZO  and  BAPTISMA ,   WHY ??

 In Acts 19:6  HOW  DID  PAUL  BAPTIZE  andmwhy isnthe  Greek  ARTICLE  (  THE  )    not in the  Greek  Text ??

 dan p

All that time spent. As if water baptism, which is simply a declaration of ones faith, were something that would have been a sin if Paul did. Time that would better be put toward peoples salvation instead of arguing the Word.

Amen and Amen again brother
After Dan last "debate" I didn't want to get involved because the Bible says what it literally means and that type of debate, wastes time

Hi and why will you say about  Eph 4:5 ?

There are 3  ONE / HEIS !!

 #1  One LORD !

 #2 One FIATH !

 #3 , One BAPTISM !!

 And since there is only  ONE  FAITH  , which one FAITH  are you talking  ABOUT ?
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And since there is  ONLY   ONE  BAPTIMA  , which one are you all  promoting ?

 The one  BAPTIZED   in  Acts 2:38 ?

 Or will you say that the one   BAPTISM  in  1  Cor 10:2  ?

 Or how will you all explain  Acts 19:4  where  the  Greek words  BAPTIZO  and  BAPTISMA  are  used in the  same  verse ?

 Does  ONE / HEIS  mean  ONE ??

 dan p



 

Exactly.

 Hi and why not debate just one verse in 1 Cor 10:2 ?

Who was the  BAPTIZER  in  1 Cor  10:2 ??

 If there is  ONLY   ONE/HEIS  BAPTISM and if Adam was  saved , was  Adam  Baptized IF  Adam was  saved ?

 O  WELL !!

dan p

Dan, the time you want to debate can better be spent working for Jesus

Hi and is this  NOT  a  debate section ,  Shammu ?

 How do you know what I am not  working for Jesus ?

 I believe that I am brought an important subject that needs  debate and that others who read , can decide for themselves !!

 dan p

All we see you do here is to debate one subject or another. Never anything else.

Dan, I can also see you confusing a lot of new Christians with your so called debate.

Hi and I like to hear what anyone else and could have a better interpretation than I !!

 And I do not see anyone else posting anything !!

I am on several other  web sites and was  denied to post anything because I DID NOT BELIEVE IN  WATER  BAPTISM !!

 I have bringing subjects not seen at all , sorry if that seems to offend you !!

 dan p

There is a difference in searching to insure that we have the correct word of God and that of debating.

To remove all doubt about Baptism in water and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. In Mathew chapter 3 we see where Jesus was Baptized both by water and has he came out of the water was then blessed by God with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Mat 3:1  In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 
Mat 3:2  And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 
Mat 3:3  For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 
Mat 3:4  And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. 
Mat 3:5  Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 
Mat 3:6  And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. 
Mat 3:7  But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 
Mat 3:8  Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 
Mat 3:9  And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 
Mat 3:10  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 
Mat 3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 
Mat 3:12  Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. 
Mat 3:13  Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 
Mat 3:14  But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 
Mat 3:15  And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 
Mat 3:16  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 
Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit cannot be done by man but by God alone. Man can only Baptize by water. We see in the following verses where Jesus tells his Apostles to Baptize in his name.

Mat 28:18  And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 
Mat 28:19  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 
Mat 28:20  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

We are told to follow in His footsteps so as He was Baptized with water so should we also.

1Pe 2:21  For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

As for the reading of this in the Greek language... The Greek word for Baptism whether it was with water or with that of the Holy Spirit it is the same. The difference is that only one of them actually saves as we see spoken of in (Eph 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism) the other of which is the Baptism in water is only a public declaration of faith and obedience, the following in His steps.

And here is my last reply as to  1 Cor 1:15 .

Verse 15 begins with Lest   ANYONE /  UN  is a Greek  Disjunctive Particle , Negative and anyone can  google it and see what a  Disjunctive  Particle , Negative means and look up  G3361 and it means Not , Neither , and no one can than say that I had  baptized for  my  NAME .

Just check the  Greek text as I did and you will  see the Greek  word  UN .

dan p