Title: Democracy Post by: tqpix on March 07, 2004, 06:56:45 PM This might get a little controversial, but I don't care.
Democracy is a tool of oppression. In 30 A.D., Pontius Pilate made people vote on who to release, Jesus or Barabas. People chose Barabas and had Jesus crucified. Yes, that's right, democracy lead to the crucifixion of our LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ. Democracy was partly responsible for the holocaust. Using the democratic process, Germany put Hitler in power. Hitler's reign of power lead to World War II and the holocaust. The rules of democracy has to be changed. Democracy was designed to only listen to the majority, not the minority (i.e. majority rules); as a result, democracy oppresses certain minorities. As an example, let's say there are two candidates running for the presidency. One of the candidates is an extremely deformed, unattractive man. What are the chances of that man becoming president? No matter how good the speeches he give, or how much he cares for people, his chances are slim to none. Only Christians would probably vote for him. In conclusion, democracy plays favoritism/partiality towards the majority (i.e. people who are like the average Joe), which is always a no-no (Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 16:19; Proverbs 24:23, 28:21; James 2:1). Title: Re:Democracy Post by: JudgeNot on March 07, 2004, 07:07:59 PM Yes! Democracy in its pure form is absolutely oppressive (to minorities and minority points of view). That is why the USA is a Republic.
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Tibby on March 07, 2004, 08:53:50 PM Plato rated it was one of the lowest forms of Government. I'm wish Judgenot, that god we are a Democratic Republic. Direct Democracy is a tool of oppression. Thank god we don't use it. ;D
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Whitehorse on March 15, 2004, 10:30:52 PM Yes! Democracy in its pure form is absolutely oppressive (to minorities and minority points of view). That is why the USA is a Republic. YES!!!! Amen, brother!! :D Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Symphony on March 18, 2004, 03:48:36 PM What brought this up, all of a sudden, tqpix?
Every form of worldly government will ever be even in the best of instances only an approximation. All a democracy, republic, theocracy or any other variation on the theme of gov't does, is further disenfranchise or distribute any central power. It's all only a question of how power--in this case worldly power--is "distributed". Aaron Burr and Alex Hamilton fought a duel over this, with a fatality--Federal or central vs. state or distributed power. How do you want your worldly power distributed? Take your pick, and go and live there--from Edie Amin in the Congo, to Wash. D.C here in the West. Every place has its deadly underbelly. We have our "freedom", but we use to endorse homosexuality and, now, we will even be "teaching it" in our schools. And you will be wrong if you say no. So is this a "free" country. No. We are either slaves of King Jesus, or we are slaves of someone or something else. Human beings are not "free"('cept in and thru the Person Jesus Christ). Civil rights here, and personal freedoms, are red herrings, and only "make" everyone think they are "free". Just try disagreeing with the gay agenda. Title: Re:Democracy Post by: H. Bonaparte on March 23, 2004, 06:51:27 PM The homos, the perverts, the rapists, the Democrats, the Liberals, and Hillary Clinton ALL love democracy. See, democracy brings socialism because the people vote to steal from other people. You cannot avoid the end-result of socialism.
You don't negotiate with terrorists or blackmailers because when you do, you give value to their crimes. You encourage more people to become blackmailers and terrorists because they profit from it. They can get what they're looking to get from Liberals because Liberals are ignorant. If you give money to someone who kidnaps one of your children, if you give them a million dollars, then you motivate them to kidnap your next kid. But Liberals don't have the intelligence to understand any of this. Democracy is left-wing, a lot of people don't realize that. "Democracy" is when a man and a woman on a deserted island voting on sleeping arrangements. "Democracy" is two wolves and a sheep voting to determine which one gets eaten. Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Reba on March 23, 2004, 07:57:09 PM The story is well worth the read. It is of Davy Crockett and Horatio Bunce.
http://www.otherside.net/crockett.htm (http://www.otherside.net/crockett.htm) Title: Re:Democracy Post by: mac on March 23, 2004, 08:08:30 PM in my poli-sci class my instructor mentioned taught that we dont live in a democracy but a plutocracy instead.
A Plutocracy comprises a government system where wealth is the principal basis of power (from the Greek ploutos meaning wealth). The influence of wealth on governance can be expressed either via the wealthy classes directly governing, or (more typically) by the wealthy classes using money to control the government. This control can be exerted positively (by financial "contributions" or in some cases, bribes) or negatively by refusing to financially support the government (refusing to pay taxes, threatening to move profitable industries elsewhere, etc). makes sense to me considering that congress is a buncha rich boys...not to mention you have to have a good amount of connections with the wealthy class to get a chance at presidency Title: Re:Democracy Post by: JudgeNot on March 23, 2004, 08:53:36 PM Quote in my poli-sci class my instructor mentioned taught that we dont live in a democracy but a plutocracy instead. A Plutocracy comprises a government system where wealth is the principal basis of power (from the Greek ploutos meaning wealth). The influence of wealth on governance can be expressed either via the wealthy classes directly governing, or (more typically) by the wealthy classes using money to control the government. This control can be exerted positively (by financial "contributions" or in some cases, bribes) or negatively by refusing to financially support the government (refusing to pay taxes, threatening to move profitable industries elsewhere, etc). makes sense to me considering that congress is a buncha rich boys...not to mention you have to have a good amount of connections with the wealthy class to get a chance at presidency Mac - your poli-sci instructor sounds like a Marxist, (so many college professors are...) He is right, we don't live in a democracy and we do not want to live in a democracy, but it doesn't sound as if he is a freedom-loving individual. FYI - It is all about power. Wealth is the basis of power for any system. A free-market society such as ours depends on wealth to fuel growth. "Redistribution of wealth", which is what liberal democrats advocate, causes social apathy ("why work or try to do better than anyone else? I'll get my share anyway"). Apathy is bad news, my friend. Title: Re:Democracy Post by: JudgeNot on March 23, 2004, 09:29:38 PM Mac,
A quick followup on my last post: There are many well-meaning people today who work at placing an economic floor beneath all of us so that no one shall exist below a certain level or standard of living, and certainly we don't quarrel with this. But look more closely and you may find that all too often these well-meaning people are building a ceiling above which no one shall be permitted to climb and between the two are pressing us all into conformity, into a mold of standardized mediocrity. The tendency toward assembly-line education in some of our larger institutions, where we are not teaching but training to fulfill certain specific jobs in the economic life of our nation, is a part of this same pattern. Ronald Reagan, Commencement Address at Eureka College, 1957 FYI, according to Nancy Reagan, Ronald's deep beleif in God lead him to pray regularly and frequently. In fact she said of him "...he prays more than any man I have ever known". Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Tibby on March 24, 2004, 12:44:00 AM Mac - your poli-sci instructor sounds like a Marxist That is EXCACTLY what I was thinking! It is strange, the ones who seem the least into Marxism are the Pol guy! ;D English Profs, love it. Philosophy Profs, love it. Political Science Profs, hate it. ;D Funny thing, I get the same effect with Creationism and Bio profs ;D Title: Re:Democracy Post by: ebia on March 24, 2004, 12:55:56 AM Democracy is left-wing, a lot of people don't realize that. ROTFLOL.You're not Australian by any chance? The only thing going for democracy is that all the other forms of (human) government ever invented are worse. Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Allinall on March 25, 2004, 03:56:12 PM I think we should have a king. I think I should be that king. Anyone agree? :D
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Tibby on March 25, 2004, 04:05:11 PM I agree with the first part ;D
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Reba on March 25, 2004, 05:04:46 PM :'( :'( :'(
1 Sam 8:11-18 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots. 12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots. 13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers. 14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants. 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants. 16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work. 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants. 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day. KJV :'( Title: Re:Democracy Post by: JudgeNot on March 25, 2004, 08:59:21 PM OK, Reba. Why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel? ;D
Didn't King Klinton do all that stuff?? I know he had special interest in our daughters and maidservants. ::) Hmm - "King Allinall" - nope - just doesn't have a "ring" to it. Almost sounds "papal". :D Ah! That's it! Pope Allinall I (HA-ha-ha! I kill me!) Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Allinall on April 05, 2004, 09:23:10 AM Quote Hmm - "King Allinall" - nope - just doesn't have a "ring" to it. Almost sounds "papal". :D Ah! That's it! Pope Allinall I Pope Allinall I? I LIKE IT[/b]!!! Course, I'm Baptist...HEY[/b]!!! I could be the Baptist Pope! Ya know, excommunicate people for not bringing enough fried chicken to the feas...er, fellowship! :D ;D :D Title: Re:Democracy Post by: H. Bonaparte on April 05, 2004, 12:24:55 PM Yes, that's what churches look and sound like these days: Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets. Take it any way you want.
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: JudgeNot on April 05, 2004, 01:26:31 PM Quote Yes, that's what churches look and sound like these days: Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets. Take it any way you want. Now that’s cynical. Hey – I thought our brother and fellow forum contributor Sapphire was “cynical so we don’t have to be”. Careful, HB – you may be cutting into Sapph’s turf. ;D Title: Re:Democracy Post by: H. Bonaparte on April 06, 2004, 12:10:14 AM Whatever....!
It's a fact that only about 5% of church goers are really born again and the other 95% goes "with the flow" and don't even have a clue why the church should not be an institution for social events. Sad story, but that's the way it is. It's all part of "democracy", the uninformed masses rule the church with their majority votes.... Title: Re:Democracy Post by: Tibby on April 06, 2004, 10:47:28 AM Where did you get this fact, Bonaparte? Did you talk a poll, where 95% for the people said "yes, we are going to rott in hell!"?
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: H. Bonaparte on April 06, 2004, 11:08:58 AM No need to take a poll. All one need to do is study the scriptures and check around the churches. Ask the Lord, He will tell you. As long as we look for some kind of pay for what we do, as long as we want to get something from God in some kind of exchange, we are like the merchants. If you want to be rid of the commercial spirit, then by all means do all you can in the way of good works, but do so solely for the praise of God. Live as if you did not exist. Expect and ask nothing in return. Then the merchant inside you will be driven out of the temple God has made. Then God alone dwells there. See! This is how the temple is cleared: when a person thinks only of God and honors him alone. Only such a person is free and genuine. Democracy has no roll to play in this.
Title: Re:Democracy Post by: JudgeNot on April 06, 2004, 11:40:40 AM As some unknown person once said:
"Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty... all in love for the Lord." :) Title: Re:Democracy Post by: H. Bonaparte on April 06, 2004, 02:14:02 PM The Bible does not tell believers to meet together for the sake of meeting together but in order to build each other up. The vast majority of Sunday services do nothing of the sort because people just sit in their pews, listen to the sermon and sing when they are told to. When they do speak it is usually after the service has finished and is often a pack of lies. I am well aware that there are exceptions to this but in general they are few and far between.
The majority of those in the last days church would be lukewarm, wealthy, complacent and would be vomited into tribulation. A high percentage of professing Christians deny that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. Many even deny that Jesus is God. |