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Is the mark of the Beast forgivable, and if not, does that make it the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit?  ;D

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Is there something funny here to laugh at? Taking the mark of the beast is not a sin, rather choosing to worship the beast instead of God.

To my knowledge.......all of the disciples were martyred.  They were probably given the opportunity to renounce their Lord.........but instead would not.   God helps us through difficult situations........even those involving death......death of ourselves or a loved one, etc.  He pours out His strength upon those who cry out to Him......and is there to help us face death and other very difficult moments. 

Now that's funny, "taking the mark is not a sin?"  :D

You didn't answer the question.  ;D

You're a funny guy. Are you trolling? If so, your trolling will be short.

Those who are truly in Christ have the Holy Spirit living inside them.  God lives inside them.  It is therefore impossible for them to worship satan or anyone else.  They worship the Lord Jesus Christ......and will do so forever.  True believers would rather die than deny their Lord.    There will be no Christians taking the mark......so the question is not relevant. 


Jesus:   "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.  And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;  neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.  My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;  and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.  I and My Father are One."


Those who are not believers will be seduced by the man of evil and take the mark.........and will be lost forever. 

No, I'm just a funny guy.  ;D

taking mark is a sin and unforgiveable

Yes Brother David. Taking the mark is rejection of Christ. We're playing with a troll here.

I think that's a personal opinion and not a fact, so I disagree.


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Some will be decieved:2Cr 11:12   But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 
2Cr 11:13   For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 
2Cr 11:14   And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Cr 11:15   Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 
 

Psa 38:20 They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow [the thing that] good [is].

Your statement "some will be deceived" is not accurate...........as these were not real Christians to begin with.

You do not become a Christian by merely calling yourself one......or claiming to be one.......or attending a church, etc.  Genuine Christians have turned their lives over to Christ and have been indwelt by the Holy Spirit.  God knows who they are.  See Romans Chp. 8. 


Taking the mark is not forgivable  (Rev 20: 4).

Those true believers whose names are written in the Book of Life will neither marvel at the beast or worship him.     See Rev. 17: 8 and Rev. 13: 8


Is Christ your first love?     If not, I would advise praying earnestly to God to show you the truth about your current situation.      Mt 10: 37-38

If "mark" was rightly divided, there would be no need for Revelation's warning.

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I agree, that's why I quoted 2Cor 11:12-15, some are "anti-christians" posing as Christians.

david749's
Thus the other part to my question that everybodies trying to avoid, does that make it the sin against the Holy Spirit?


david749's
Their names are wiitten in the book of life because they didn't take the mark, not because their names were in the book from creation.

david749's
Do you work for the CIA? I post on several websites, and I feel like I'm talking to the same person on all the different sites!

The unpardonable sin is rejecting Jesus.

David james 33:32

huh?  ???

Care to post the exact verse?  ;D

 

Paul to Christians:  "For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."


On the other hand, those who take the mark will be subject to God's wrath.......even prior to their deaths. 


"So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image."    (Rev. 16: 2)

It is all over the Bible, read it.

This is twice. This is a subject that needs to be approached with all seriousness not sarcasm nor personal attacks such as this.

Jesus' comments in Mat 12:31 were in response to the Pharisees calling the spirit by which He cast out devils as being "Beelzebub the prince of the devils." The Pharisees did reject the Holy Spirit which was presented to them as well as calling Him evil. What is the difference between that and the accepting of and worshiping of an evil spirit that calls itself God, which is what is done by those that accept the mark of the beast.

Rev 13:3  And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4  And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5  And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Would you believe me if I told you Rev. 16:2 happened in Egypt as one of Moses' plague?

There are three different accounts in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but Mark is more to the point:




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Which still is the same thing.

There's no difference, that's the point! The "mark of the Beast" is "666," "the sixth sense", "ESP," the extra sensory perception thru a familiar spirit!

The point being, the sin against the holy spirit is possessing a familiar spirit, which is the "mark of the Beast!" It wasn't because they accused him of possessing a familiar spirit, but because possessing a familiar spirit is unforgivable!  That's what the "mark" and "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" have in common, and why there're both unforgivable!  :-[

You will definitely get disagreement here.


Yet we see that many that had an evil spirit cast out were forgiven. The word blasphemy means to speak evil of, utterance. It is for this reason that scripture says it is not what goes into the mouth but rather that which comes out from it that is sin.

Would you believe me if I told you Rev. 16:2 happened in Egypt as one of Moses' plague?


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The Book of Revelations was written around 95 AD........long after the plagues of Egypt.  It was given by Christ for the Church........a glimpse into the future. 


"The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-----things which must shortly take place...........  (Chp 1)


The verse that I quoted you in an earlier post is the First of the Seven Bowl Judgments from God.  It is found at the beginning of Chp. 16.  If you back track to Chp 15.........there is an introduction to this.  It is nothing to do with the past.......the plagues on Egypt.


Chp. 15:   "Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous:  seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete.  And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have THE VICTORY OVER THE BEAST, OVER HIS IMAGE AND OVER HIS MARK AND OVER THE NUMBER OF HIS NAME, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.

"And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying:

'Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty!  Just and true are Your ways, O King of the saints!  Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name?  For You alone are holy.  For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested.'


So.........those who have had victory over the beast and the mark are seen standing in heaven singing to God.


Then shortly thereafter...........you have the First Bowl judgment.........whereby God unleashes his wrath "upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who had worshiped his image."


This is followed up by the 2nd Bowl judgment...........whereby the sea turns to blood......and every living creature in the sea dies.    (We are not talking about the Nile River here........but all the oceans of the world)

3rd Bowl:   the rivers turn to blood

4th Bowl:   men are scorched with great heat

5th Bowl:  darkness, sores, and pain

6th Bowl:  the battle of Armageddon

7th Bowl:  the greatest earthquake ever;  the cities of the nations will fall;  every island gone;  mountains no longer found. 


Following this you have Christ returning with his heavenly army as described in Chapter 19.


"And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.  Then the beast was captured and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.  These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 

"And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse.  And all the birds were filled with their flesh."         (Rev. 19:  19-21)

As far as your three verses from Mark Chp 3..........you have to read the whole chapter to understand the context. 

It starts out with Jesus healing on the Sabbath.  The Pharisees then "went out and immediately plotted with the Herodians against Him, how they might destroy him."  (verse 6)

The Pharisees and Scribes believed that you had to work your way to God.... and that they were righteous.  They rejected Christ and His message of grace........and would not follow Him. 


Later on in verse 20 a great multitude is gathered around Jesus.  But here is the reaction of some others:

"Fut when His own people heard about this (people from his home town), they went out to lay hold of Him, for they said  'He is out of his mind.'

"And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, 'He has Beelzebub,' and 'By the ruler of the demons He cast out demons.'"  (verse 22)


Hence..........as in other places in Scripture.........the Scribes and Pharisees accused Jesus of being possessed by a demon.........and getting his power from Satan.


Jesus.........God in the flesh...........being accused of having a demon inside Him.


This is blasphemy..........accusing God of being energized by satan........or being possessed by a demon.


The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all One........One God manifested simultaneously in three personages. 


If you are blaspheming against God........you are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit......against the Father......against the Son.    They are all One.......and part of the same. 


Accusing God who is standing before you of being of being possessed by evil.........is blasphemy.  You are rejecting Christ (God).........your sins will not be made white as you are rejecting His free gift.  You refuse to follow Him. 


The verse that you stated can be re-phrased..........as Christ and the Holy Spirit are One and the same......being God...........One God interconnected as the Father, Son, and the Spirit. 

"........but he who blasphemes (and therefore rejects) Christ never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation."

NO.

Galatians 2:16 KJV  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 8:1-2 KJV  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Amen!

I can only lead a horse to water,  but I can't make him drink! The facts are the facts, and if they're not accepted, what can I do.  He who have ears to hear, will hear; and he who have eyes to see, will see!  ;D

I would much rather be led by the Holy Spirit than by a man and to drink of the waters that Jesus offers to us than the bitters from men.

"Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, and your spoil will be divided in your midst.  For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;  the city shall be taken, the house rifled, the the women ravished.  Half of the city shall go into captivity, but the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 

Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as He fights in the day of battle.  And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east.  And the Mount of Llives shall be split in two, from east to west. making a very large valley;  half of the mountain shall move toward the north and half of it toward the south. 

Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, for the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.  Yes, you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.  Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You.  It shall come to pass in that day that there will be no light;  the lights will diminish.  It shall be one day which is known to the Lord---neither day nor night.  But at evening time it shall happen that it will be light.

And in that day it shall be that living waters shall flow from Jerusalem, half of them toward the eastern sea and half of them toward the western sea;  in both summer and winter it shall occur.  And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.  In that day it shall be---The Lord is one and His name one. 

All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem.  Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin's Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananeel to the king's winepresses. The people shall dwell in it;  and no longer shall there be utter destruction, but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. 

And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:  their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths. 

It shall come to pass in that day that a great panic from the Lord will be among them.  Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor, and raise his hand against his neighbor's hand;  Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.  And the wealth of all the surrounding nations shall be gathered together:  gold. silver, and apparel in great abundance. 

Such also shall be the plague on the horse and the mule, on the camel and the donkey, and on all the cattle that will be in those camps.  So shall this plague be. 

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."   

Unfortunately, talk is cheap, and action speaks way louder than words.  ;D

I was speaking more of this one:

Jer 17:13  O LORD, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken the LORD, the fountain of living waters.

That is correct,..taking the mark is the same as denying Jesus as the Son of God....it is an unforgivable sin regardless of the excuse given in taking the mark.
Once it is taken...one's destiny is sealed.