Title: Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 07, 2004, 07:18:09 PM More and more women are cutting their hair very short in a mannish style. Can Christian ladies do this and be in accordance with God?
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: JudgeNot on February 07, 2004, 07:35:15 PM Ooooooo - Ollie.
I ain't touching that one (until I see some other's answers). ;D I could come back with something like "What difference does it make as long as they cover their heads LIKE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO, but hu-uh, I won't go there; no-siree - not in a million years. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: cris on February 07, 2004, 08:25:40 PM More and more women are cutting their hair very short in a mannish style. Can Christian ladies do this and be in accordance with God? I've seen very short hair on women but rarely have I ever seen a "man's" short haircut on a lady. Throughout history there have been times when men wore long hair. Wasn't it the Nazarite who took a vow NOT to cut their hair? I think as long as a woman, or man for that matter, acts dignified, God doesn't really care, (by dignified, I mean men acting like men and women acting like women). How easy it is for us to judge. I find myself doing this every once in awhile and repent of judging as soon as I realize what I'm doing. It really isn't what we see from the outside. I know it sounds cliche. People are people. We all have different tastes. I may not like it. You may not like it. God just might ::) at times too, who knows, but I hardly think He would condemn them for their emerald green hair. Wouldn't ya really like to time-travel back to the time when Christ was on earth? I think it would be great to know how they all felt about hairstyles, clothing, etc. I mean, first hand, to actually be there, just not read about it. Christ saved all who wanted saved. Reminds me of what Paul said, all things are lawful but if what you do causes a brother to sin then don't do it. Yep, I think we need to use some discernment in such situations. OK, so I'm a Rambling Rose tonight--------I'll stop. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Tibby on February 07, 2004, 08:39:01 PM More and more women are cutting their hair very short in a mannish style. Can Christian ladies do this and be in accordance with God? I've seen very short hair on women but rarely have I ever seen a "man's" short haircut on a lady. Ditto. The stlye now seems to be between the top of the neck to the middle of the neck. At least, that is what most of my female friends go for. For a girl, that is short, but that would be considered long on a male. SO, what is the standerd? I think the basic idea bibically is for us to generally look persentable. No GI Janes for women, no small of the back leingh for guys, etc, etc. Keep is clean, and relatively neat. I think the bible was just trying to keep us from looking like white trash. We should be set apart because we are holy, not because we look a smell like Hippies and no one will be around us :) Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Broken on February 07, 2004, 08:41:41 PM Doesn't bother me.
So long as you are respectable for your culture, time and place, I don't see the problem. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Ambassador4Christ on February 07, 2004, 09:07:21 PM I always like the song HAIR ;D
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Reba on February 07, 2004, 09:29:32 PM Ollie should go directly to jail for this one >:(
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: cris on February 07, 2004, 09:47:13 PM Ollie should go directly to jail for this one >:( Yep, I agree! He's not going to go quietly though. ;D Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 08, 2004, 06:43:50 AM Ollie should go directly to jail for this one >:( To quote Symphony: "BUt...., but...., but!" (http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/jump3.gif) It is just a question. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 08, 2004, 06:50:10 AM Ollie should go directly to jail for this one >:( Yep, I agree! He's not going to go quietly though. ;D Yupper (http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/anilion1.gif) Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Whitehorse on February 08, 2004, 11:48:28 AM Maybe I can ask this: why do women choose the length of hair they have?
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Tibby on February 08, 2004, 12:09:27 PM Because one might be easier to manage then the other, or because they like the way they look with a style, or because they know their boyfriend (or males in general) like her hair like that, because their friends are all doing it, because she wasn't to try something new, maybe they cut it liek that so they can do something special with it, the list goes on and on.
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Broken on February 08, 2004, 03:54:37 PM Whitehorse:
I know I keep my hair short because otherwise I look like King Charles. (and that is not a good thing) plus the longer it gets, the more likely it is I will wake up with "hurting hair" (anyone else get that, or is it just me?). Hair that stands up or is bizarrely flattened, and that nothing will make look normal, and that hurts if you try to press it or brush it into a normal position. I am sure the term "bad hair day" was intended for someone with hair like mine. Drives me mad. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Symphony on February 08, 2004, 04:02:27 PM Maybe I can ask this: why do women choose the length of hair they have? Primarily fashion, or style? Then, efficiency, or what is practical--longer in the winter. Women and hair are wonderful stuff. Just like Paul says--her "glory"? WHEN they do it right. ::) ??? Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Whitehorse on February 08, 2004, 04:19:24 PM Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Symphony on February 08, 2004, 06:07:25 PM IF they do it right? (http://www.beautifulclipart.com/clipart/angels/anangel.gif) Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: FBI78 on February 09, 2004, 01:26:00 AM Well to me it doesnt matter about the hair its what is on the inside that counts. For some woman short hair does look good on them and its easier to take care of. Women have the right to look good to go places and when hair isnt easy to take care of it hard to look good. I know we arent suppose to be vain but we all are to point and we all want to look human and not like a freak of nature cause our hair wont do what we want it to do. My hair is at my shoulders. My hair was down to my waist this summer and i live in oklahoma and my hair is thick and its alot cooler when it is shorter that is why i got it cut and when i had long hair and put it up to long it would give me headaches cause it was to heavy. So think about that next time you think a ladies hair is too short there might be a medical reason why she has it short. I dont think women should shave off their hair though that just doesnt look good at all i think lol. Sometimes i feel like doing that to my hair but i do think before i act lol.
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Willowbirch on February 09, 2004, 12:15:40 PM Because one might be easier to manage then the other, or because they like the way they look with a style, or because they know their boyfriend (or males in general) like her hair like that, because their friends are all doing it, because she wasn't to try something new, maybe they cut it liek that so they can do something special with it, the list goes on and on. EVERYBODY, COME SEE! [/size]I think Tibby has just explained the female mind! Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 09, 2004, 02:21:22 PM Is there any other time in history that women wore their hair this short or is this a fairly modern thing, say like in the last hundred or so years?
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Brandie on February 09, 2004, 02:56:04 PM Maybe I'm way off base here and if so, just tell me...
We are living in the end times, the last years to win souls for the Kingdom, and THIS is what we're worried about, how long or short or what color our hair is? Sorry, I just don't see the relevance. The Bible says that a woman's hair should be her crowning glory, that means neat and clean folks, not long or short or purple or pink. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: cris on February 09, 2004, 04:18:53 PM Is there any other time in history that women wore their hair this short or is this a fairly modern thing, say like in the last hundred or so years? Hi Ollie, Everytime I see your name I think of the game we used to play as kids. I really even forget what it was all about now. Just remember kids calling--------ollie ollie in free. Was it hide and go seek? Oh well! Anyway, thought I'd try and do a little research on "hair" in history. Found a site I thought you might be interested in reading. http://www.spiritualabuse.org/hair/history.html cris Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Sapphire W34P0N on February 09, 2004, 04:46:04 PM We are living in the end times
Looks like someone's been reading too much of the Left Behind books... Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Brandie on February 09, 2004, 04:50:05 PM We are living in the end times Looks like someone's been reading too much of the Left Behind books... No, just reading enough of the Bible to recognize the signs. Like I said, of all the things to be worried about, THIS is a topic? Title: Length of Hair! Post by: Ambassador4Christ on February 09, 2004, 04:53:12 PM We are living in the end times Looks like someone's been reading too much of the Left Behind books... Look who's talking, the kid with the Harry Potter haircut ;D Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: sincereheart on February 09, 2004, 06:05:06 PM Maybe I'm way off base here and if so, just tell me...
We are living in the end times, the last years to win souls for the Kingdom, and THIS is what we're worried about, how long or short or what color our hair is? No, you're not off-base entirely. But this is a place of fellowship for Christians to discuss things on their minds and hearts. So there shouldn't be any reason NOT to ask for the opinion of others.... ;) If ollie had asked if we should avoid witnessing to women with short hair; well..... :-X Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: cris on February 09, 2004, 06:15:52 PM Maybe I'm way off base here and if so, just tell me... We are living in the end times, the last years to win souls for the Kingdom, and THIS is what we're worried about, how long or short or what color our hair is? No, you're not off-base entirely. But this is a place of fellowship for Christians to discuss things on their minds and hearts. So there shouldn't be any reason NOT to ask for the opinion of others.... ;) If ollie had asked if we should avoid witnessing to women with short hair; well..... :-X AMEN!!!! Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Tibby on February 09, 2004, 06:49:11 PM We are living in the end times Looks like someone's been reading too much of the Left Behind books... No, just reading enough of the Bible to recognize the signs. Like I said, of all the things to be worried about, THIS is a topic? You mean the same signs that has been around for about 2000 years? Do your self a favor and put Tim Lahey down for a little bit. Go out for some coffee. Look around. The world is not as bad as the Evangelical and liberal spindoctors would like you to think. Willow- If only what where true, I would bottle it up, and sell it. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: JudgeNot on February 09, 2004, 10:01:37 PM Brandie said:
Quote Like I said, of all the things to be worried about, THIS is a topic? I think it is a good topic. I like to reflect on it. For instance - If I had hair, I would wear it long enought to comb into the hair in my ears - or maybe even braid them together - sorta like I do with my nose hair and my mustache. ;D Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 10, 2004, 06:17:30 PM Maybe I'm way off base here and if so, just tell me... :)We are living in the end times, the last years to win souls for the Kingdom, and THIS is what we're worried about, how long or short or what color our hair is? No, you're not off-base entirely. But this is a place of fellowship for Christians to discuss things on their minds and hearts. So there shouldn't be any reason NOT to ask for the opinion of others.... ;) If ollie had asked if we should avoid witnessing to women with short hair; well..... :-X Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 10, 2004, 06:36:34 PM Is there any other time in history that women wore their hair this short or is this a fairly modern thing, say like in the last hundred or so years? Hi Ollie, Everytime I see your name I think of the game we used to play as kids. I really even forget what it was all about now. Just remember kids calling--------ollie ollie in free. Was it hide and go seek? Oh well! Anyway, thought I'd try and do a little research on "hair" in history. Found a site I thought you might be interested in reading. http://www.spiritualabuse.org/hair/history.html cris Hi cris, I do remember hide and seek and that yell to come in free. Do kids play these games anymore? One hardly sees kids outdoors anymore. Preoccupied with all the electronic gadgets I suppose. I went to the web site and found some of it interesting. Some of it may not be accurate, some of it may, like all written matter concerning contemporary things. Will go back and read some more of it later. Thanks for finding it and posting the address. Ollie Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 10, 2004, 06:42:22 PM We are living in the end times Looks like someone's been reading too much of the Left Behind books... No, just reading enough of the Bible to recognize the signs. Like I said, of all the things to be worried about, THIS is a topic? Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Reba on February 10, 2004, 10:13:14 PM What of transplants?
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Whitehorse on February 11, 2004, 01:04:20 AM Well, the Bible does say women should have their hair long. It just...does. *shrug*
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Brandie on February 11, 2004, 12:13:41 PM Well, the Bible does say women should have their hair long. It just...does. *shrug* What scripture says that? Not trying to be argumentative, I've just never read the scripture that says women should have long hair and if it's there, I'd like to see it. Thanks ;D Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: sincereheart on February 11, 2004, 12:29:14 PM 1 Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 11, 2004, 02:46:42 PM 1 Corinthians 11:14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. "Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him"Question? How does the very nature of things teach that if a man has long hair it is a disgrace to him? When by the nature of hair, instituted by God, man's hair grows and if not cut gets long? I'm putting forth one of my nine cat lives and being curious again. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Allinall on February 11, 2004, 03:12:55 PM Quote Maybe I'm way off base here and if so, just tell me... We are living in the end times, the last years to win souls for the Kingdom, and THIS is what we're worried about, how long or short or what color our hair is? Sorry, I just don't see the relevance. The Bible says that a woman's hair should be her crowning glory, that means neat and clean folks, not long or short or purple or pink. Amen!! We can get so tied up in issues folks, that we miss not only the mission Christ has called us to, but the very God we are blessed to know. I'm bald. By choice! ;D My wife has short hair, and she's one of the godliest women I know. I know alot of short haired men, and long haired women who have alot of knowledge of issues and where they come down on them, but little of the grace of God. I know alot of short haired women and long haired men with a love, and a knowledge of God that puts me to shame. No condemnation for this post guys, really, but think about it. Is God bigger than hair? Even 80's hair? ;D Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Willowbirch on February 11, 2004, 03:14:43 PM The hair thing could become a stumbling block for one weak in the faith, so perhaps it is not too distracting from important issues. The stronger ones are told to help the weaker ones in the faith. This seems to maybe fall under, "love one another", and in that respect could be a topic of great value. Amen! I hope I read your point correctly...if not, I've twisted it into my own opinion: As people set apart but still on this earth, we have many freedoms in Christ, but we should never abuse these freedoms by offending those weaker than us. The world tells us that folks who wear black all the time, who wear their hair very long (men) or super short (ladies), whose clothing is much too tight or short, who have multiple tattoes, etc. are rebellious and (in the very extreme!) satan-worshippers. While I, as a free Christian, see nothing wrong with the color black (God made it, I'll enjoy it!), someone who is not saved will have a different mindset. They will see me in "worldly" or "evil" clothing (touch not even the garment stained by sin!). They will see that I do not care enough about my faith to dress like it, and my witness to them will be diluted. So when I wear black, it isn't the color of my entire outift, and I don't wear it everyday. In all I do I am to glorify God; and though I am free, I should not compromise the image of Christ in me. All things are permissable; but not all things are profitable. A freedom is no longer a freedom when it is used to make someone stumble; its a curse. Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Sapphire W34P0N on February 11, 2004, 04:41:57 PM Pertaining to the 1 Corinthians passage, I question whether Paul was writing strictly to the Corinthian people referring to some custom of theirs, or if he was addressing every believer.
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: CleansedSpirit on February 12, 2004, 10:16:02 PM I wear my own hair long because I feel more feminine.
I think it ought to be a personal spiritual decision. But a woman really shouldn't walk around looking so much like a man that people think she's a man, in my opinion. :) Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Whitehorse on February 14, 2004, 05:13:49 PM OIn the verse about long hair, Paul takes his reasoning directly back to creation. That means it is universal.
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Gracey on February 14, 2004, 08:35:50 PM For me, the choosing of short hair was not a personal spiritual decision - I personally preferred my long hair. But arthritic hands required it; they just wouldn't put the hairbrush through it. I wonder what God would say? I certainly don't feel as though it were wrong, just necessary.
Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: sincereheart on February 15, 2004, 03:08:32 PM I wonder what God would say?
1 Samuel 16:7 The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." I'd take a guess that He is more worried about your heart condition than your hair condition.... ;) Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Gracey on February 15, 2004, 03:32:06 PM Quote 1 Samuel 16:7 The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." This is exactly so. I wasn't really expecting an answer, because it was apparent to me. What I forgot that not everybody would know the answer; especially someone not yet a Christian, or a newborn. Thanks for reminding me that questions that don't seem to need answers to us, sometimes really do. ;D Gracey Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: sincereheart on February 15, 2004, 03:35:01 PM LOL! Sorry for answering a rhetorical question! :-X
I really thought you might have been worried! :D Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Symphony on February 17, 2004, 09:57:49 AM Hair now! Hair now!
( ;D) OIn the verse about long hair, Paul takes his reasoning directly back to creation. That means it is universal. ;) Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: ollie on February 17, 2004, 01:36:54 PM The hair thing could become a stumbling block for one weak in the faith, so perhaps it is not too distracting from important issues. The stronger ones are told to help the weaker ones in the faith. This seems to maybe fall under, "love one another", and in that respect could be a topic of great value. Amen! I hope I read your point correctly...if not, I've twisted it into my own opinion: As people set apart but still on this earth, we have many freedoms in Christ, but we should never abuse these freedoms by offending those weaker than us. The world tells us that folks who wear black all the time, who wear their hair very long (men) or super short (ladies), whose clothing is much too tight or short, who have multiple tattoes, etc. are rebellious and (in the very extreme!) satan-worshippers. While I, as a free Christian, see nothing wrong with the color black (God made it, I'll enjoy it!), someone who is not saved will have a different mindset. They will see me in "worldly" or "evil" clothing (touch not even the garment stained by sin!). They will see that I do not care enough about my faith to dress like it, and my witness to them will be diluted. So when I wear black, it isn't the color of my entire outift, and I don't wear it everyday. In all I do I am to glorify God; and though I am free, I should not compromise the image of Christ in me. All things are permissable; but not all things are profitable. A freedom is no longer a freedom when it is used to make someone stumble; its a curse. Yes, Having read your post; it agrees. "if not, I've twisted it into my own opinion:" Not twisted. Sometimes the hypocrites in the church view everything you mention as evil also and are the first to put people down. But then of course not everyone that says Lord, Lord is saved either. The one requirement for clothing of the physical body in Christ is modesty as far as I can discern from reading the Bible. Our inner man should be clothed in modesty and it will follow to the outerman. If truly in Christ and a faithful believer this modesty will be inside us. If so there can never be any doubt that our physical outerwear will not be in conjunction with this. That should be true of hair also. Therefore is short hair on a woman immodest or long hair on a man immodest according to God? Title: Re:Length of Hair! Post by: Whitehorse on February 18, 2004, 01:45:08 AM The thing is, none of God's word cancels out any other part of God's word. So, there we still have that verse. What are we going to do with it?
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