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Hi guys!
Haven't been here for awhile! Good to be back!
-We live about 3 miles from the Gulf in Florida and are hearing some ominous threats about evacuation and Martial law! Wondering if anyone is picking up on these stories.
-We've noticed a tremendous amount of new Police vehicles also, in our own area recently.
Have also read Gov. Jindal of La. wrote to Obama asking for assistance in case of evacuations.
-Also am wondering, since we live only a few miles from the nuclear power plant that provides power in this area, and gets its water cooling feed from the Gulf, what damage that would cause when the BIG oil hits?
-When the Exxon Valdez debacle occurred, the animal activists were extremely vocal. There are hundreds of thousands of sea life, coral, etc., being affected - bodies of animals washing on shore, WHERE ARE THE ACTIVISTS NOW? There is an eerie silence.
-According to what we learned yesterday, there is over 700,000 gals. per day (that they will admit to) leaking into the Gulf - not to mention the effect of the chemical dispersants in the water!
This is a deep water event that has NEVER happened in history! Yes, they're discussing evac of millions in states along the Gulf, including where we live, because of the environmental effects that are increasing DRASTICALLY each day!!! ??? Where is the outcry ???

There are a lot of rumors going around right now and it is really difficult to tell between the facts and conspiracy suppositions being made that are nothing but unfounded assumptions. Some of the supposed martial law claims have not been that at all but rather it has been National Guard Engineers that are attempting to help with the oil spill. These Troops are not enforcement type Troops. There has been stories of certain areas being blocked from access by the general public and by news reporters. This was done by BP personnel that had no authority for doing so.

There is a no fly zone over certain areas of the Gulf but not over the shore line as stated by some. This was an effort to limit activity to those that are attempting to stop the leak and contain the spill.

As for evacuation orders. There has nothing been put out officially as of yet but that always remains a possibility and if it comes to that I don't doubt that there will be martial law imposed for the evacuated areas. I have heard that evacuation of the hardest hit areas is being considered by the Governors over those areas. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana is one of those that is supposedly considering this. Yet at the same time he has asked all citizens that are able to turn out to training centers so that they can help.

I haven't heard anything about nuclear power plants but i would think that they have filtering systems on the water intakes since salt water is not sufficient for cooling. Whether they would be clogged by oil or not is a good question.

As for how much is leaking it seems that it is all guessing at this point. No one seems to be able to agree on the amount that is leaking per day. According to Fox News they are currently putting sensors down into the tube to be able to get a better more scientific answer to that question.

The activists are being relatively quiet. I personally think that it's because they are afraid for themselves and if they yell too much they will be told to go into the area to help and they don't want to expose themselves to all of that.

Personally I don't see an evacuation helping very much. If we get a storm hit in just the wrong place it will have an effect on more than just the coast. It will spread the oil and chemicals they are using across land along the path of that storm. This will have a great effect on plants and animals. The path of these storms usually go right across the farming belt. With the food sources in the Gulf already contaminated and then if a storm hits even more of our food supply will be affected. Add to this the flooding already taking out many farms and the colder temps experienced in some areas. A possibility of extreme famine could be seen and soon.

How are you Pastor Roger? Good to talk with you again!

I agree with all you've written. Just wanted to add something from an article we received through a Christian ministry headlined:
TOXIC OIL SPILL RAINS WARNED COULD DESTROY NORTH AMERICA
   A dire report prepared for President Medvedev by Russia's Ministry of Natural Resources is warning today that the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the N. American continent with "total destruction."
   Russian scientists are basing their apocalyptic destruction assessment due to BP's use of millions of gallons of chemical dispersement agent known as Corexit 9500 which is being pumped directily into the leak of this well head over a mile under the Gulf of Mexico waters and designed, this report says, to keep hidden from the American public the full, and tragic extent of this leak that is now estimated to be over 2.9 million gallons a day."
     I have the rest of the article and would like to ask you if I can post the source so I don't have to type it all. It comes from an EU newspaper - can I post the link   ???

Yes sister you may.

I've seen online chatter now is about the possibility of evacuating 40-50 MILLION people from the Gulf Coast and East Coast up to North Carolina. That, along with no crops and no seafood, could definitely affect the entire US. This chatter began also with discussions of a fractured sea floor which is now being confirmed by US congressional members. There is also a virtual news blackout in the area with local residents even unwilling to discuss what they know.

Hi again DreamWeaver! Good to talk with you again!
     All I have to say is YIKES  :o - we've been hearing up to 200 miles inward of the western coastiline, but we're aware that this spill is now swept up into the Loop Current - a big underwater current that is greatly involved in controlling the weather around the planet - that's why it's heading up the east coast now - BUT I 'd like to hear more info, if you could provide it, about the fractured sea floor  :o

The rest of the above article is at:

www.eutimes.net/2010/05/toxic-oil-spill-rains-warned-could-destroy-north-america/

Ya know I'm having a little problem with the above site - if you are also - tell me and I'll take the time to write the whole article....

The fractures sea floor has not been confirmed as of yet. The member of Congress that supposedly confirmed this used the words 'may have' and 'might be' and people jumped on that in the same manner as they do in support of evolution. Using Google Earth and fly overs people have spotted what appears to be a plume at 7 miles and another at 172 miles away from the main oil leak. It is also thought to be a crater forming in this area (an indention in the floor where the floor appears to be sinking). Again this has not been confirmed. Some supposed experts have said this is just a pool of oil that has gathered that came from the original oil spill. It would require a submersible to verify this one way or another and so far none has done this.

The chemical Corexit 9500 is not being pumped into the oil well but it is being used on the surface part of the spill. To put it directly into the well would render the oil completely unusable which they are not doing to what little oil they are capturing. The use of this chemical and others it is estimated with the event of a storm it could affect as far north as Illinois and perhaps even further.

The link works fine for me. Thank you.

The chemical is not being pumped into the oil well. But I'll quote from a 1 hour documentary being shown on the SCIENCE channel (will be on Wednesday night, if you get the channel - it's called Disaster on the Gulf)
[i]"Day 11 - The Crisis Team launches a plan to keep the oil from reaching the surface. For the first time in history dispersents are used under the surface - shot though hoses by remote underwater vehicles at the source of the leak itself.
Jon Rogers, Coord Subsea Dispersants, "We're trying to get as close as we can to the crude, ideally, before it mixes with seawater - so we've actually got an injection point right at the point where the oil is coming into the Gulf of Mexico (points at underwater map)."
   It's a short term method to minimize the oil's impact, but some believe that toxic dispersants are worse than the oil.
David Mizejewski, National Wildlife Federation, "It's really like a giant, chemical lab experiment that we're doing in the Gulf and it's kinda scary to think about because we don't know..."[/i]

They were pumping dispersants into the well head at one time. That was at the time in which it appeared to have fire coming from the well head. It wasn't fire, it was the dispersants that made it appear that way. They are not using the dispersants since they got that last weak cap placed on it where they started siphoning some of the oil from it.
 

Hello Sister Barbara,

It's great to hear from you. By the way, I just went to the site you linked, and I'm not having any problem with it.

My son is a nuclear analyst for one of those nuclear power plants in Florida, and he hasn't mentioned any problems they are anticipating. I, for one, don't know enough about this to even guess on environmental and other impacts. I fully expect this administration to somehow use this disaster to advance cap and trade, so I won't trust this administration for accurate news. It will be a political football that's kicked around for a long time. Who knows? - political corruption may be one of the causes of the disaster. In the meantime, many people will be suffering the real and harsh consequences for an unknown number of years. I think there's a lot we don't know right now.

Love In Christ,
Tom

More from Science Channel:

"Satellite imagery shows an oil slick that covers more than 88,000 square miles on the surface - what lies beneath is just as ominous. Droplets of oil and chemical dispersant are suspended under the water. Researchers have found one plume that is 20 miles long and a mile deep. Under the plume are the most ancient, sensitive and least known marine eco-systems in the world, and the real 'joker in the deck' is the use of dispersants. Adding dispersants to oil makes a toxic soup that no one really understands...."

Hi Brother Tom!! So glad to speak with you again!! I must have been writing while you were posting.

Woe  ;) a nuclear analyst in the family is very impressive - that's one smart boy!!!! You must be extremely proud of him!!!
   It's so funny that you mentioned cap and trade because my husband just read that Obama wanted to take "advantage" of the situation. We also don't trust anything that comes from this admin and have to rely solely on what we're reading on the internet and hearing from the locals as to what they've seen.
   We also think there's alot we haven't heard. We're planning on leaving Fla. as soon as the LORD makes it possible. We can't sell our homes in this area though - but in the last few months b/4 this disaster we've been talking with alot of Christian folks who feel, even though they were born here, that it's time to get out. Many are looking at land further north and sharing what they're finding with the rest of us in the prayer group that have been in agreement. Maybe the Spirit of God put this on the hearts of alot the people down here...we thought it was the economy but now this...

Sister Barbara,

Yes, I am very proud of my son. The Navy paid for his education in exchange for 6 years of service aboard the Nimitz Aircraft Carrier. He now works at St. Lucy Nuclear Power Plant near West Palm Beach. My wife and I got a tour of the facility - at least what we were allowed to, including part of the water cooling system. I'll assume that any significant oil contamination in the water would shut down St. Lucy and Turkey Point Reactors.

I'll be praying for you on your home and moving situation. I'll stay in Oklahoma, but we are considering a move to a smaller home in the country. It's a buyer's market everywhere, and housing prices have gone down. My son tells me that's especially true in Florida right now, so he couldn't sell his home for what he owes. Back to the solid ROCK:  God will provide and keep us until He Comes to take us HOME.

Love In Christ,
Tom

FLORIDA GULF OIL SPILL: PLANS TO EVACUATE TAMPA BAY AREA ARE IN PLACE
Updated: June 14, 2010

As FEMA and other government agencies prepare for what is now being called the worst oil spill disaster in history, plans to evacuate the Tampa Bay area are in place.
THE PLANS WOULD BE ANNOUNCED IN THE EVENT OF A CONTROLLED BURN OF SURFACE OIL IN THE GULF OF MEXICO, OR IF WIND OR OTHER CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO TAKE TOXIC FUMES THROUGH TAMPA BAY.  :o
   This practice has been used by the US Forestry service when fire and smoke threaten the health and well being of people.
The elderly and those with respiratory problems would be more susceptible to health risks, in the event of a controlled burn.
   Estimates of the rate of BPs Deepwater Horizon oil spill have varied. Independent scientists now suggest that the true spill rate, before the riser pipe was cut off in June, was between 20,000 and 50,000 barrels a day.
   Since the April 20th explosion, which resulted in the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, there have been more than a million barrels of chemicals poured into the Gulf of Mexico in efforts to break up the spill. The chemicals have come under scrutiny because of their own toxic nature.

    Cont'd...

Cont'd...

It is not certain if the massive slick will have to be set on fire near Tampa Bay, but the possibility has not been ruled out.
BP has been using controlled burns as a way to contain the oil spill SINCE THE CRISIS BEGAN.  :o ??? :o Plans to do additional controlled burns around the well site were announced by Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen at a briefing early in June."

You can see the article with a map here:

www.examiner.com/x-17299-Hernando-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2010m5d9-Gulf-Oil-Spill-2010-Plans-to-evacuate-Tampa-Bay-area-expected-to-be-announced

I've got another article on the effects of heat on the million barrels of chemicals on the shores down here but I'm on my way out - I'll write when I come back later...

Hello Sister Barbara,

Thanks for the additional information. It sounds like a mess of epic proportions.

It was bound to come to this. Considering the spread of the oil a burn will be very dangerous and quite possibly cause more damage than expected. The word 'controlled' does not sound plausible. I was in Desert Storm when the Iraqi guard ran out of Kuwait breaking off the well heads and setting fire to them. Even though I was a little over 300 miles to the south of there the smoke was horrendous. It blacked out the sun and made breathing almost impossible. Without a watch we couldn't tell the difference between night and day. That didn't have the chemicals in it that this one does so I can imagine how bad it will be.

Now according to scientists using flow sensors at the well head they have upped the flow rate to be at 2.5 million barrels a day.

It sure would be nice to have some good investigative reporters who would find out about pay-offs and political corruption to look the other way while regulations were being violated. I can assure you that BP is not the only villain in this story, regardless of how hard Obama tries to make it so. Does anyone really doubt that regulations were either bypassed or violated?

With the conditions in this well I don't think it would matter what pay-offs or political corruption there is attached to all of this. Even if all the safety inspectors had done their jobs correctly and all the safety's had worked I still think that there would have been a problem that no one could foresee. There is more pressure in this oil well than there has been in any of the others that have been drilled so far. The pressure on this well is so great that even if they had successfully capped it off it could easily blow the drill tube out of the drill hole.

There is so much pressure behind it that I am beginning to believe some of the stories about the well collapsing in on itself as it empties out. There is something there causing it to maintain such high pressure. Others claim it to be a volcano feeding lava into the well since it is right above tectonic plates and is in an area of underwater volcanoes. I have doubts on that as the heat of a volcano would have the oil burning days ago and the shaft would already be gone.

As for corruption, this is a crisis whether made made or not that this administration plans on using to their benefit if there is anything left for them to benefit from.

Agreed! Things are happening way too fast - we are making arrangements to get out of here ASAP! It'll take some doing but we feel the Holy Spirit has been warning us and alot of others around here lately, and we've been saving like we never knew we could have for months - now we're beginning to understand why.

I got this article last month:

NO TOXICITY TESTS ON BP's DISPERSANT
May 6, 2010
Andy Rowell on the Oil Change Blog

Whilst the media has been focussing on the untested nature of the 4 story dome or "cofferdam" that is going to be lowered over BPs spill at the seabed, its use of dispersant is also coming under scrutiny.
   Alarmingly, according to the dispersant manufacturer, no toxicity tests have been conducted on this product.     Cont'd...

Cont'd...
   The NYT reports this morning that BP has sprayed some 160,000 gals of chemical dispersant on the water's surface and pumped an additional 6,000 gals directly onto the leak, a mile beneath the surface.
   When he gave his interview to the BBC the other day, Tony Hayward the CEO of BP was at pains to stress how the use of dispersants at such depths had never been tried before.
    What he didn't mention was that these dispersants are highly toxic and the ecological impact of doing it is completely unknown.     The NYT reports that the main dispersants applied so far, from a product line called Corexit, are so toxic they had their approval rescinded in Britain a decade ago "because laboratory tests found them so harmful to sea life that inhabits rocky shores, like limpets."
    I should point out that while the dispersant failed the "limpet test" it passed an offshore safety test.
   The Safety Data sheet for BPs "Dispersant Type 1" Corexit 9500 and its "Dispersant Type 2" Corexit EC9527A have now been posted on line here.
   The ten page sheets are produced by NALCO, the chemical company that produces Corexit. The data sheets show that these products are not benign.                                  Cont'd...

Cont'd...
The "Human Health Hazards" are said to be Chronic for EC9572A.
   "Prolonged and/or repeated exposure through inhalation or extensive skin contact" with the chemical "may result in damage to the blood and kidneys."
   However, what the NYT didn't say is that the data sheets contain 2 alarming statements: for toxicological information it says, for both dispersants, "No toxicity studies have been done on this product."
   Considering these dispersants are being used in vast quantities, this statement is quite alarming.
BUT IT GETS WORSE:
     For Corexit EC9527A under "Ecological Information" and "Ecotoxicological Effects" it once again states that "No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product."
    So if NALCOs own safety sheets are to be believed, then basic safety toxicity tests have not been done.
AND it gets worse again.
     Corexit EC9527A contains 2-Butoxyethenol, the same hazardous chemical that was present in INIPOL EAP 22, the main despersant used by Exxon in the aftermath of the Exxon Valdez.

         Cont'd...

Cont'd...
A Material Data Sheet for INAPOL produced by Exxon in 1989 noted that components of this product 2-Butoxyethanol "may be absorbed through the skin and cause blood and kidney damage."
   Effects of overexposure could be highly serious . "Inhalation of high vapor concentrations may have results ranging from dizziness, headache and respiratory irritation to unconsciousness and possibly death."
   On Environmental Information, the Exxon Data Sheet says, "keep product out of sewers and watercourses."
  If this product is so hazardous that it should be kept out of watercourses, what is BP doing spraying thousands of gallons on the ocean?
    Another dispersant, used on the Exxon Valdez, Corexit 9580M2, even came in barrels with labels that warned "toxic to fish."
    And BP - for the first time ever - is pumping thousands of gallons of dispersant a mile under the surface.
  NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE DAMAGE WILL BE.
One thing is sure: BP has now spread far more dispersant than Exxon ever did in the aftermath of the Exxon Valdez.
     AND IT GETS WORSE.

CONT'D...

Cont'd...
   Just because the US regulatory authorities allow their use, it doesn't mean they think they're safe either.
 In her book on the Exxon Valdez disaster, the leading marine biologist Dr Riki Ott noted about dispersants:
"Before considering the human health effects of dispersants, it is instructive to review how industry and government handle dispersant use from a liability perspective."
     Dr Ott notes that EPA specifically states: "The listing of a product on the Schedule doesn't constitute approval of the product."
   Speaking about the use of dispersants today, Dr Ott said, "This is like treating cancer with something you dont' know is going to work or not, or you don't know whether the cure is worse than the harm. You don't know anything."

Pastor Roger, I'm glad you told us about Desert Storm and those conditions. We had a problem also with 'controlled burns'. We also think the public should know about these burns that having already been taking place.

We haven't trusted anyone in gov't or industry to "do the right thing" as it pertains to civilians, for a long time now. They think only of their political reputation and their real bottom line is their $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

This kind of evacuation in a large area would require Martial Law, as moving millions of people will not be an easy task. Food, water, housing will have to be provided, as well as medicine in an aging population.

We don't want to be here for any of this. We're only 1 hour from Tampa and also don't trust their "controlled burns". This is starting to sound like this country's Chernobyl.  :'(

Hello Sister Barbara,

Thanks for all of the additional information. You and all of the other people effected by this will be in my prayers. My son lives near West Palm Beach - considerably North, but I plan to share some of this information with him. The magnitude of this disaster is still probably unknown, but it appears to be getting larger by the day.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Brother Tom!
We're getting so much info so fast our heads are swimming and our stomachs turning. We can't tell you how much we appreciate your prayers, as we endeavor to 'exit' the area in an unplanned, long vacation - the logistics are a little hard to coordinate - but everything according to God's Will.
Would love to hear your son's perspective on some of the info. This morning between 8am and 9pm the Weather Channel was showing films of the controlled burns and saying the "story" was coming up next after the commercials - we sat down to watch but they ended up dropping that story after showing the film of the burn twice.

My husband just gave me another site where there are articles, photos, and videos from locals in the area who are complaining about the 'stench' and the beautiful turquoise water (which we ourselves have enjoyed) is now a putrid yellow. It's too much for me to write so I'll give you the website (at your discretion):

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/long-ribbons-of-orange-brown-oil-4-miles-off-tampa-bay-coast-smelled-like-oil-felt-like-oil-couldn't-get-it-off-hands-photos

Also, there's much more info on the bottom links  of the above website. One shows cracks in Gulf floor leaking oil...

Thanks for the link and please do keep in contact with us as you are able during and after your transit so that we can better know how to pray for you all.

Thank you so much, Pastor Roger, for your prayers. My husband just went out looking at used campers. We've got 2 big dogs (labs) we'll have to bring with us and, of course, our 15 year old is ready to go.

I've gotta tell you again, that a person in our prayer group began speaking about the need to leave back in Feb. So many shared (including us) that we felt the same way. This blossomed into a meeting at the end of March, for anyone who was feeling the need for community during these times - but also a tug to move out of such a 'closed off' area as Florida seems to be at times - there aren't many main roads out of the state.

This meeting brought about 40 people - one family came all the way from Texas (!) - because they were feeling the need to 'just get out' but none of us were understanding God's plan or why we were feeling this way.
We know that "A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven." (John 3:27) And so we wait on the LORD to renew our strength - when He allows it, when He makes a way where there is no way - we know then we'll be moving on!!

Hello Sister Barbara,

Thanks for the very informative link. I haven't talked to my son about this yet, but I plan to after I become better informed. I have a lot of questions in my mind right now about his safety and when it might become in jeopardy.

Amen! All of you will be in my prayers.

Thank you Brother Tom!

Just wanted to let you know that I talked with my neighbor that works at the Progress Energy nuclear power plant here on the Gulf coast today. He told me that they are on constant alert and if any contamination enters the plant they may have to shut down. They're worried about the 'plumes' under the water. There are millions of customers of Progress Energy including us.

Also, have been told that the well that's leaking in the Gulf is the biggest in the world - it would have given us freedom from dependence on Arab oil - they're admitting to at least a billion gallons but what we're hearing is that it's much more than that!! If this is true there is much more to the story. As soon as we get the article we're being told about we'll be back with the info.

Hello Sister Barbara,

I think that we all have a lot to learn on this disaster. I don't think that we'll like what we find out on any of it. There's a ripple effect on many other things that we all depend on - energy just being one thing. As an example, it's unknown what would happen if these nuclear reactors had to be shut down. This would in turn cause a domino effect on nearly everything.

I personally think that when the truth comes out that BP violated just about everything, and regulators had to allow it. So I fully expect that gross corruption will be exposed by many - other than just BP. In the meantime, many will suffer in countless ways.

Egyptian Oil Spill Befouls Red Sea Resorts[/b]  ???

An oil spill from an Egyptian rig has polluted several tourist sites along a large stretch of coastline along the Red Sea.
    The leak, which Egyptian government spokesman Magdy Rady described as "limited", was caused by a spill from an offshore platform in Jebel al-Zayt, north of the Red Sea resort town of Hurghada.
    The government managed to keep the news of the oil spill quiet internally for days, an extraordinary fear that might have been related to the fact that Hurghada is one of the country's top tourist destinations. The area, a vital source of income for Egypt, was once a major diving site with extensive coral reefs. However, extensive development has caused damage to the area.
    Oil company officials in the port city of Suez spoke with the Associated Press about the spill on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak with media.
    There was also no mention of the leak for days in any Israeli news media, which might otherwise have put off Israeli tourists who typically travel to Red Sea resorts for quick vacations.
     Rady told the state-run Middle East News Agency that the spill was discovered last week and had quickly been mostly contained. However, Ahmed el-Droubi, a biologist with the Hurghada Environmental Protection and Conservation Assoc (HEPCA), flatly accused the government of a cover-up this week.

                            Cont'd.... 

Cont'd...
    "Just today I received news that the oil had started leaking again this afternoon after it had stopped Thursday," he told an Associated Press reporter on Tuesday. The HEPCA, founded by divers in 1992, was one of the first groups to raise the alarm about the spill.
     The northern islands protected area is very heavily impacted," el-Droubi added. "This area is very important because it is the last pristine spot, there is a lot of sea life there that will be harmed...there are dead birds and dead sea turtles scattered across the island, covered in oil."
     Approximately 100 miles (160 kilometers) of coastline were polluted, including a number of tourist beach sites.
     Meanwhile, Egyptian Environmental Crisis Department head Mahmoud Ismail said that most of the beaches would be cleaned up in a few days. He admitted that the situation on the islands was worse, however.
     The hardest work will be cleaning up the coral and Tawila Island," he said, adding that he had already had complaints from some of the local hotels. (IsraelNationalNews.com)"


We received this report today - interesting!!!!!

Hello Sister Barbara,

Thanks for an interesting article. Things like this makes one wonder about the role of man-caused disasters for the ushering in of the Tribulation Period. I was just thinking how thankful I am to be in God's Hands.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Brother Tom,

A big Amen to that!!!

We are hearing on the radio that the 'Cap and Trade' laws are going to be passed aroung the world - I guess with a little push from the man-caused disasters you spoke of.

As for the Tribulation period, we're seeing a gigantic build up in the Gulf, 2 threats of breaking the Gaza blockade, 1 by Hezbollah - the other by Turkey - and positioning of US troops with many more to come, all to be in place by the middle of July...Shades of the Gog Magog invasion of Israel? The Isaiah 17:1 prophecy?
Only time will tell.....

Amen!

Everything is a powder keg with the fuse lit. I honestly do believe that the RAPTURE could be at any time. Some may get tired of hearing me say this, but I love to think about it, and I love to say it.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.  51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,  52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.  54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?  56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.  57  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.  58  Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


1 Thessalonians 4:13-18  13  But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.  14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.  15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.  16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.  18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


Love In Christ,
Tom

This from cuttingedge:

Gulf Oil Cleanup Crews Already Getting Sick!

Following is a CNN interview on youtube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRrbqBEGxiw

The ghosts of the Valdez oil spill speak loudly to us, because almost all of them are now dead! The greatest contaminant damage might not be from the spilled oil but from the toxic dispersants being poured into the ocean waters.
BP is now using the same types of toxic dispersants in the Gulf oil spill as was used during the Valdez oil spill of March, 1989. This development is incredible since almost all the oil spill workers in the Valdez disaster are now dead, and Gulf oil workers are now beginning to show signs of toxic poisening.

Hello Sister Barbara and All,

I look at all of this very simply as greed and corruption being the cause of so much misery. I had forgotten about all of the illness associated with the Valdez, but I have heard some about illness on this oil spill. It would appear that the cure may be worse than the original disaster. I did ask my son about the potential problems associated with cooling at the nuclear power plants in Florida. He said that they have contingency plans that should handle it. He didn't think that shutting down would be necessary. Barriers would just be part of their capabilities if it becomes necessary. He can't foresee any situation where the oil spill would shut them down, so maybe this is some good news.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Tom! That would be some good news from your son, but....
   We received an extremely disturbing e-mail this morning through a friend of a friend etc, etc...First it was discussing the call by Bill Clinton, Russia and the EU, that the US should NUKE the oil well. This can be found all over the internet including youtube. Now we know this was done in Russia in the 1970's with a similar oil well that was out of control because of the shear pressure at that same depth as the one in the Gulf - but this nuke was on land not under water.
   'So this 'gusher' is spewing about 40 million gallons a day' quoting this e-mail. 'However the oil itself is not the full extent of the problem. Flowing out of the sea bed with the oil are numerouse chemicals which are highly toxic and FLAMMABLE, foremost among them being Hydrogen Sulfide, Benzene, and Methylene Chloride. These chemicals will  not only kill the sea life in the oceans, but they will kill human beings, birds and animals, and plant life. When mixed with water or heated  by the Sun some of these chemicals become even more toxic than in their inert state. When they emerge onto the surfacethe process of evaporation turns them into gases which become air borne. Breathing the fumes is like breathing sickness and DEATH into the body. When the right temp is reached just a spark will cause the gases to explode in a gigantic fireball".

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Now after nearly 2 months, someone finally thought of checking the oil coming up out of the sea bed for RADIATION. In just the past 2 weeks we've finally learned the the oil flow in the Gulf is bringing up with it both URANIUM and THORIUM. The amounts of these are far above what's considered "safe levels" for humans and other living creatures. As if the people along the Gulf didn't already have enough problems to worry about, the oil and chemicals pouring forth from the sea bed are also contaminated with RADIOACTIVE material....
    The Gulf oil gusher is uncontrolled and uncontrollable...not only is oil gushing from the sea bed with uncontrollable pressure but it is also bringing up dangerous chemicals, all of which are highly toxic and flammable...Add to this that the fact that cracks were already in the sea floor when BP began drilling their deep sea well and now enlarging and new cracks are developing daily, releasing not only oil, but large quatities of METHANE GAS.
     It has become public knowledge that BP drilled their deep well directly over a huge bulge in the sea floor, and knew exactly what was causing the bulge years before they began drilling, and yet chose to drill anyway.

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"...what has really been created in the Gulf, and which continues to grow more deadly each passing day, is a GIGANTIC BOMB...Due to this situation plans are already in the works by the US gov't for the MANDATORY EVACUATION OF THE ENTIRE GULF COAST AREA...."

The above e-mail continues on page after page with more frightening information. We have searched the net to find several people including the Clintons saying the well has to be nuked. We don't like hearing these things and are still trying to get out of the area. We were trying to buy a used RV but they're being snapped up before we get there. The RV's not being sold by owners are sky high in price and we don't have that much cash. We will grab whatever we can ASAP and try to leave. I don't know where this is going, but we left NY after 9-11 because we figured they'd be nuked next - it seems we went from the frying pan into the fire. Just the fact that on June 29, Clinton was still calling for the bomb to be used makes us very uneasy.
   Please let me know if anyone has any more info about this crazy situation...but we know that the LORD can make a way where there is no way - and our hope is in HIM that this nuclear option is not even considered!!!

Hello Sister Barbara,

I wouldn't pay any attention to the Clintons at all. If something this drastic is required, I'm sure it would be announced after folks who know what they're talking about make a decision. The best I know to tell you right now is to use common sense and pray for the rest. My son is also not aware of any pending evacuation orders. They have special operations and procedures for just about everything. According to my son, this isn't even being discussed for plant operations - at least not yet to his knowledge.

All oil wells have what is called NORM (Naturally Occurring Radioactive Materials). If you look it up you will find that oil wells throughout the U.S. have this contamination and so do the ones in the M.E. and Russia. It is enough to set off a Geiger Counter on some oil samples but supposedly not enough to be of a threat to health nor life and many other oil samples from the Gulf aren't enough to set it off.

Numerous scientists have tested the oil in various places along the coast and agree with the following statement:

Not trying to belabor the point - but we're getting so many startling reports. We're glad to say we bought a camper yesterday and my husband is getting the title transferred and the insurance even as I write this.
   Also, numerous friends are selling everything they own and preparing to leave. We're getting e-mails from as far as Orlando, complaining of headaches, nausea, etc...inlcuding rashes which my husband and I know about 1st hand since we both have giant ones. We're using natural creams to keep them under control. I've NEVER before had ANY  kind of rash in my 57 years! But we're not the only ones.
    Anyway, I just got this from Jack Kinsella.

THE DEAD ZONE

The Omega Letter is a daily journal of current events as viewed from the perspective of Bible prophecy and written as they occur. We went online on Oct 14, 2001 and so our archives are something of a daily record of the 21st century.
    (I'm not trying to blow our horn, here. There is a point I want to make so bear with me.) Over the years we've published the OL day in and day out, from literally hundreds of locations both here and from abroad.


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In all that time, the Omega Letter Daily Briefing has had but one writer and one researcher for every single one of the two thousand, eeight hundred and fifty-nine briefs in our archive database.
     Since the OL is a daily project, it is a more or less constant process. Every event, every conversation every newly discovered fact from history, every social, political or environmental upheaval is a potential OL topic of interest - so the research never stops.
     Researching the OL takes me a lot of places I don't want to go and teaches me a lot of stuff I really don't want to know.
    I say all that to make the following point: What I have learned over the past few weeks concerning the BP oil spill in the Gulf has shaken me more than any event we've discussed over the course of the entire 21st century.
     The information being withheld, if tru, if so catastrophic that it is literally a case of the country not being able to handle the truth.
     That said, I've done my level best to confirm the following information but the political smokescreen surrounding it leaves me with less than 100% confidence - but only slightly less. I could be taken in by a hoax and I pray that is the case, but I don't think so.

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BP estimates that the oil reservoir pouring into the Gulf could contain as much as two Billion barrels of oil, currently spewing out as something on the order of 100,000 to 160,000 gallons per day. At that rate, the spill, if left uncapped, could continue to foul the Gulf for four years before running dry.
     And it appears that capping the well is NOT and NEVER has been an option. Because of the pressure, capping the wellhead would rupture the well pipe causing oil to flood out into the strata below the sea floor.
     The erosion process would cause the oil to erupt through the sea bed creating a literal and unstoppable volcano of oil and mud. When the Deepwater Horizon exploded, it ruptured the well pipe a mile beneath the surface.
     With pressures that could be as high as 100,000 psi, plugging the well will force the oil out into the seabed floor and only meters from a large methane gas bubble some 15 to 20 miles wide.
     Even if they do nothing, eventually that methane bubble will migrate to the well. When that happens, it will explode up the well ipe creating the same catastrophe as if they plugged it.
     Unless BP's relief well effort can relieve the pressure, when that gas bubble hits the pipe it presents one of two scenarios, both of which are unthinkably catastrophic. (And BP is rumored to have quietly advanced their expected completion date for the relief well to sometime around Christmas.)

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In the first and seemingly most catastrophic, the gas explodes under the sea floor, creating a massive upheaval and collapse that could trigger a tsunami that could wash away the Gulf Coast up to fifty miles inland.
     In the second, the escaping cloud of deadly methane gas could be blown ashore, displacing the oxygen and suffocating uncounted Gulf Coast residents. The sudden rush of gas to the surface could also theoretically trigger a tsunami.
     Former Shell Oil CEO John Hofmeister confirmed on Fox News last week that the use of high explosives and possibly a small nuclear device are being considered as a last resort on the theory that the blast would crush the borehole and seal it.
     But it has never been done and nobody knows for sure if it will work or if it will trigger an even greater underground explosion. IT GETS WORSE -
      There are roughly 3400 active drilling platforms out in the Gulf, many of which have been there for decades. When a well runs dry, they move the platform to another honey hole until it runs dry. This means there are uncounted numbers of vast empty underground caverns beneath the sea floor of the Gulf.
     Most of these drilling rigs are sucking oil from the same ultimate giant oil deposit under the Gulf of Mexico's continental shelf, meaning they are all interconnected.

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When you take something out and don't replace it with something else, it dramatically alters the dynamics under the seafloor. These cracks and fissures could collapse in a domino effect in the event of an underground explosion, either natural or man-made, also triggering the risk of a Gulf tsunami.
     And a dead zone from Mexico to Florida.
ASSESSMENT:
     Admittedly, these are worst-case scenarios, but there are no best-case scenarios under consideration. Oil contains chemicals and volatile gases that are both toxic and carcinogenic. Gulf Coast residents that are able to smell the heavy oil are undoubtedly breathing in these gases at the same time.
     There are persistent rumors of a FEMA plan to evacuate at least eighteen cities along the Gulf Coast. In April, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal asked the feds to "fund 6000 soldiers and airmen on active duty to:
     "...provide security, medical capabilities, engineers and communication support in response to this threat. Currently, our Soldiers and Airmen are staging for and are engaged in the planning of the effort to evacuate and provide security and clean up for the coastal communities expected to be impacted by the oil spill."

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On June 9th the FAA closed the airspace over the Gulf of Mexico to all unauthorized aircraft. There is now a 200 mile radius dead zone in the Gulf due to the spill.
     FEMA is rumored to be quietly making plans for the mass evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.
     There is a risk of toxic rain resulting from the combination of methane and the poisonous Corexit oil dispersant. FEMA officials fear it will poison coastal fresh water reservoirs, lakes, streams, and rivers.
     Let me say now that most of this is rumored, but if FEMA DOESN'T have evacuation plans in place for the Gulf Coast, then FEMA is criminally derelict in its duties.
    And I cannot envision a scenario short of permanently capping the well by lunchtime today that doesn't ultimately require the evacuation of at least some of the Golf Coast shoreline.
     I am trying very hard not to get all conspiracist or overly sensational in today's report and it is hard not to sound like I've lost my mind - even I think it sounds a little nuts. Until you look at the situation and try and come up with an alternative scenario that doesn't.
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This old earth is in already in a state of mass upheaval, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis are practically daily affairs somewhere on the earth. The earth's magnetic field is decreasing rapidly and may be signaling a coming catastrophic magnetic polar shift.
     We are emerging from a solar minimum and headed into a solar maximum that astronomers predict could result in catastrophic solar ejections that threaten to engulf the earth with a giant EMP pulse sometime around the end of 2012.
     The Gulf oil spill has the potential to poison the entire Gulf of Mexico and left uncapped, within a couple of years possibly the rest of the world's oceans. A couple of years from now would be sometime in the middle of 2012.
     The word 'catastrophic' applies to practically every scenario, financial, political, environmental or extraterrestrial. It is hard to see how humanity will manage to elude all the looming threats and emerge intact on the other side.
     Particularly since ALL of it was forecast in advance as part and parcel of the overall scenario that points to the soon return of Christ.
     Revelation 8:8-9 forecasts the third part of the seas will become as blood, killing a third part of the creatures in the sea. That judgment is followed by the poisoning of a third part of the world's fresh water.

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Jesus warned of signs in the sun, moon and stars. He said that unfolding events would cause men's hearts to fail them with fear and cause the nations to cower in fear and confusion.
     But Jesus said that while these things will confuse and terrorize the lost, He said they should be signs of encouragement to the Church.
     What it means is that the world will soon see the Son of Man coming in power and great glory at His Second Coming.
       "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." (Luke 21:24-26)
     But having given the broad outline through to the end, Jesus  got down to specifics insofar as what it means to the Church on this side of the Tribulation. We are witnessing the conspiracy of seemingly unconnected events that are leading precisely to the conditions Jesus described.

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But His message to the Church isn't the same message He gave to those who will be preserved through the Time of Jacob's Trouble:
     "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." (Luke 21:28)
     For the Church, the message is both simple and direct. When we see these things BEGIN to come to pass, then it's time to prepare for lift off!
   Maranatha!
ONE FINAL THOUGHT. . .
     While we're waiting for the trumpet, we still need to get together in the forums and come up with a plan. We have many OL families in the affected areas. In the event the unthinkable DOES happen, the worst place they could end up is in a FEMA evacuation camp.
     There are many more OL families living in the relatively safe zones. We need to meet in our forums and hammer out our OWN evacuation plans for our brothers and sisters in the DEAD ZONE as an alternative to FEMA's. (We have some room.)
   
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If you live in the DEAD ZONE, where will you go? How can we help? What can we do? Let's get together and work out a plan before the order to evacuate is given.
     NOW I'm starting to understand at least part of the reason that God has raised up such a unique fellowship of believers as ours. The LORD knows we need each other.
     Meet me in the forums and let's come up with a plan.

by Jack Kinsella

Hello Sister Barbara,

I don't know how long the Church which is the Body of Christ will be here. I, for one, don't believe it will be very long. The events we are watching could very well be part of later and much larger events. I read the portion of Revelation as literal:


So, I think that the great mountain being spoken of could be a heavily body. A heavenly body hitting the atmosphere would definitely be burning with fire. If it was large enough, it would also effect the entire earth in numerous and horrendous ways. I doubt there would be a way to determine WHERE to escape to. I view the oil spill and related problems as much smaller in scope than what is being talked about in Revelation 8:8-9, but I'm certainly not trying to minimize it.

The article made it sound like this was being discussed in greater detail on a forum. If so, please share the address. I believe that the CHURCH is raptured Home before the start of the Tribulation Period, but there are also fairly good arguments for mid-tribulation. I do know there is a distinction between the CHURCH and Tribulation Saints. I also know there will be many horrible things that those saved during the Tribulation Period will face. Many will face violent deaths at the hands of those hunting Christians.

Back to the oil spill and related events. It would certainly be better to be safe and plan than to be sorry you didn't. I would obviously try to talk my son into moving if I had sufficient facts to believe that he was going to be in danger. He's just been offered a better job in Raleigh, North Carolina, so maybe part of my concerns will be eliminated soon. However, North Carolina is also pretty close to the coast. I am going to try and educate myself more on this, and I would appreciate any sources for regular - hopefully daily - information.

Thanks sincerely for all of the additional information.

Love In Christ,
Tom

I took Rev 8:8-9 to be talking about a volcanic mountain (not an underwater volcano since it is being 'cast into the sea') since verses 10-11 speak of the star called wormwood. I can see how it could also be seen as an asteroid or meteor but definitely not what we are seeing in the gulf. Another thing is that the incident in Rev 8:7 with the first angel has not yet taken place either.

Although the Gulf incident is of a large magnitude it is not as of the great magnitude spoken of in Revelations. As Jesus tells us of these things in Matthew 24:7 we will see many things happen that will lead up to the tribulation which is the events given in Revelations. We are seeing the makings of a great famine right now. With the food source in the Gulf being destroyed and the likelihood of crops being damaged by the rains off of the Gulf then the crops that were damaged in Idaho and in the state of Washington from the cold (29 counties in Washington have been declared a farming disaster area by their Governor). Then we have many crops throughout the central states on up through Canada that could not be planted soon enough this year to be able to have them ready by harvest time. There are also reports of similar crop failures throughout many other nations worldwide. Very little of this is being reported on in the media because they are concentrating on the Gulf region alone.

Even this famine will not be of the magnitude of things during the tribulation period.

Hi Brother Tom and Pastor Roger,

Brother Tom, I'm getting so much info from people down here. The websites are varied according to who they've subscribed to or websites they go on regularly. I'm not sure, but I believe Jack Kinsella is associated with Hal Lindsay. I don't know the forum he's talking about but would also like to check it out - when I find it I'll let you know. It sounds like information may be exchanged there everyday.
I'm hoping your both right and this isn't as bad as it seems. People down here are scared and leaving. Yesterday, my husband was ordering a hitch for the camper we bought. He was told that they've never ordered so many hitches before - everyone is leaving quietly, but sharing with them their concerns.
Since we have a 15 year old son we want to be cautious. We know we may have 9/11 'syndrome', but since that day, seeing what we saw, we are VERY cautious and try to check out anything. I don't know it that's good or bad, but that's what people from this area are doing also - I guess we fit in. We've seen independent studies on the air quality that go through the roof. We don't have much faith in the gov't either, and so we take things as we get them and have to decide for ourselves.
I do appreciate your take on those Scriptures - something to pray about and contemplate. Our problem is we're not getting any good news about the situation. We'd rather make fools of ourselves than to stay if these things are going to come to pass. One oil well in Saudi Arabia (or Russia - I'll have to look it up) burned for 4 years til they nuked it. That's alot of oil. There's alot here in the Gulf, too. And so we wait...

OK - I just searched and found 'The Omega Letter Discussion Forums', so that's where the previous info is coming from. I didn't sign up yet, but will check it out later.

PS - If you could remember my 89 year old mom in your prayers. She fell 2 weeks ago over a curb in a parking lot and was in the hospital. She's in a wheelchair because she twisted her leg, got 2 black eyes, nose, chin and neck (she fell mostly on her face) - she is getting much better, though and we could use prayer for her complete recovery. Praise the LORD - she didn't even break or fracture a bone!

Hello Sister Barbara,

I found the Omega Letter last night, but I haven't had a chance to check it out much. Most of it appears to be on a subscription basis of $10 a month, but they do have a free trial subscription. I have mixed emotions about this and would have to find out more.

I'm sorry to hear about your mother's accident and will keep her in my prayers. My mother is also 89, so I quickly understand your concerns. I give thanks that the injuries don't appear to be life-threatening or debilitating.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Oh good grief!!

Debka file, has quite a many times mis-quoted, and lead away from the facts Barbara. This is one of the reasons I don't use it while looking for news. I also do not trust Hal Lindsey, there have been quite a few times he has been proven to be a false prophet. From what little I read on "The Omega Letter" was a lot of garbage, and is leading to false prophecy.

Things maybe getting bad sister Barbara, but they are not even close to tribulation. Sister take it easy, pray, and let God take charge. That is what I did, when we had the Rodeo-Chedski fire here. And from what I saw, the forum is not worth the 10 dollars they are asking for membership. God gives us His word freely, and freely it should be given.

I will be keeping y'all in prayer and some extra prayer for your mom.

Sister, I did a quick check on "Oil spill in Bible prophecy", and there are many claiming this is a event, of prophecy. I will tell you right now, this is not a Bible Prophecy. These are charlatans, and false prophets claiming this is a event of the Bible.

Now can it be, God is punishing the gulf coast?? That may well be but, there are quite a few good Christians in the gulf. Trust in Jesus, for He is the only way out, Jesus tells us to look up, for there are warning signs before He comes. We need to look for in the heavens.

Thank you, Brothers, for your encouragement!

We will sit back and take it easy and let God take charge as you said, Shammu. The 'atmosphere' on this coast is very uneasy and contagious.

Also, thank you for your prayers - I just got back from my mom's. She's fiercly independent and won't go to a rehab facility so my sister and I are taking turns every day checking on her and bringing her food. She's a feisty one!!

I don't think that any of us on here are trying to say that this is not a very serious event. It definitely has it's potential of being very traumatic for all concerned and can definitely have an effect on the entire world for many years to come. As serious as it is and as serious as the potential of it becoming, I still agree with the others that this is not an event given in Revelations for the tribulation period. There are many serious and difficult times ahead of us all and that is even before the tribulation arrives. I also have to agree with Shammu on the Debka Files and on Hal Lindsey and associates.

I've got tons of these - this is just one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDf-KkMCKQ

Hello Sister Barbara,

That's pitiful and maddening, especially when you consider that the real cause is greed, corruption, intentional violation of drilling standards, and looking the other way by government officials responsible for enforcing standards and safety precautions. "Responsible" is a key word here, and nobody was. To make matters worse, nobody has been quick, effective, and responsible in the cleanup efforts. Our own government must share the blame with BP. Bluntly, this disaster should NOT have happened.

Sister Barbara, there are hard times coming for all Christians. Yes this is serious but, I think there will be worse to come but, keep your faith in the Lord. When I look out the window, I see burnt land. I also see where God is restoring the land, there are now plants coming up, trees, flowers, and the animals are coming back. As disastrous as the Rodeo-Chediski fire was, God works His wonders for all to see.

You are in my prayers sister, as well as a few other people I know (personally) in the Gulf area.

Hello Sister Barbara and All,

I echo Brother Bob's comments. Prayer is something we can all do for each other, and God loves to hear our prayers. Nobody knows when the start of the Tribulation Period will be, but the signs around the world make it appear to be near. There is great comfort in knowing that we are already in God's Hands for Eternity.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi All!

It's been awhile. Just had to let you know what's happening down here in Florida, especially for anyone who has relatives in Florida!

In July, my husband mowed our lawn. It was hot so he took a dip in the pool afterward to cool off - after which time he got very sick. We attributed this to the heat. Then the next week, he did the same - he got very sick again. We decided we would have the pool water tested. We couldn't find anyone in Florida that would do the extensive testing we needed. We had a Chemist recommended to us in Alabama. We got in touch and sent a sample of our pool water. We weren't prepared for the phone call we received this morning!!!

We got a call from Mobile, Ala. this morning. We were met with a very somber voice, the chemist, telling us that in our pool water was 50.3 parts per million, 2-butoxyethanol marker for @Corexit !!! Our water is full of Corexit!! Apparently they have been overspraying the land (we're 7 miles from the Gulf). It was the worst thing we could hear. We were then hooked up with lawyers who are handling this kind of problem for others like ourselves. We have to go for a battery of tests with toxicologists and neurologists and doctors.

This has been a rough day. We have a 15 year old son. We have been warning our neighbors. We wanted to warn anyone on the Gulf Coast that reads this - have your water tested. Get hard evidence of what is going on!!!!!

God Bless us all!!!

Hello Sister Barbara,

I didn't know what this was, so I did a search and found what might be a good article on this substance.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028974_Corexit_dispersants.html


All I can say is WOW! - This is outrageous. It makes no sense at all to endanger people in this wild and irresponsible manner. My son has moved from Florida since I last conversed with you. He was offered a better job and moved to Raleigh, NC. Maybe this is more than just irresponsible - maybe it's on purpose.

Hello Again Sister Barbara,

I forgot the most important thing - you and your family will be in my prayers.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thank you so much, Brother Tom!

We're in a little shock right now! I'm so glad your son got out. I only just heard yesterday that Raleigh, NC had alot of work - anyway, they're definately better off where they are!Thank God for that!

We've been trying to save some money and go, this is complicating things all the more. We definately need your prayers, and we thank you!

This stuff is really bad and, I agree, they have no regard for any life - animal or human. We're in a mess now with these lab results and are waiting for more info from our new lawyers. They handle maritime cases and we now have become eligible! We never even thought of these kind of results!!

God Bless You,
Barbara

Sister, is it in the water supply or just in the water in your pool?

My prayers for all there also. This is indeed serious.

Sister Barbara,

The information you have provided and what I've been able to find on my own have convinced me to pray for ALL anywhere near the Gulf. This would be a large number of people - all at risk of chemical poisoning. Where are the good investigative reporters providing details about this to the general public? We shouldn't have to search for information about this on the internet - it should be headline news on page one. Why the lack of concern for public health?

Thank you, Brother Tom, for that website.

Here's another one:

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/alert-13-3-ppm-of-corexit-found-inland-near-florida-border-chemist-says-tests-show-2-butoxyethanol-from-9527-video-photos

Hi Pastor Roger!

This testing was very expensive. We only checked our pool water because my husband got sick when he went swimming. The State of Florida WILL NOT analyze public water (I wonder why?) We don't know what our next step is. We are talking with lawyers from Alabama and will probably have to go up there. We may have to have our drinking water analyzed as well. Our heads are swimming (no pun intended). The above website talks about a smaller amount found near the Florida border.

The article also talks about the affect on red blood cells in mammals - the cells rupture!!! If we have it, everyone on the coast and probably inland also has it - we're just the first ones along this coast to get this measurement. But we know we can't be the only ones...

Also have been hearing about the 'Blue Flu' all over the coast. This is people getting sick and their lips and hands are turning blue because they're not getting enough oxygen (I believe this is from methane). That hasn't happened to us, but those who have it are in our prayers!!!

Thanks for the additional link Sister Barbara. I need to go eat dinner, and I plan to do some more searching for information. To say the least, this whole situation is INSANE, and a bunch of folks should be facing criminal charges.

Brother Tom,

There is definately a media blackout!! It is, we agree wholeheartedly, INSANE!

BP is owned principally by the British monarchy. We already know they won't be paying damages for as long as 20 years!!!!

What kind of gov't have we got? The media is censored, there is no information, there really isn't going to be any damages paid out, AND they are still spraying this stuff!!! Most of the people who were on the clean up crews will probably suffer the same fate as those who worked on cleaning up the Exxon Valdez! Early respiratory problems, and early death!

This is the New World Order!!!!

Dinner isn't quite ready, so I have a little while.

I was just thinking that everyone should be filing complaints with the Health Department, the EPA, and even criminal complaints with local, county, and state law enforcement agencies. It is most definitely illegal to poison water supplies and people. If EVERYONE stated filing all kinds of complaints, they would have to pay attention and do something about this. Additional spraying of poisons should definitely be stopped, and everyone in the State is potentially a complainant of various kinds. There should be extreme concerns for water supplies used for drinking water.

You have evidence from your pool that can be used as a basis for criminal complaints and civil actions. My suggestion would be for massive numbers of complaints to every agency that could have any jurisdiction over this matter. You do have evidence, so this could not be considered to be a false complaint. The poison definitely came from somewhere, and there's all kinds of evidence about WHERE.

Hi Brother Tom,

We were told today that there may be someone coming down here to do more tests. We also started warning neighbors, friends and family. One of our neighbors looked at my husband like he was crazy, then his wife said, 'Ignorance is bliss'!!!! The apathy is unbelievable!!!
We will continue to do whatever we have to do. There are many others up north in Mississippi and Alabama that are trying to stop the spraying. There are videos of town meetings, where fisherman are still not being represented even though they were originally told they were. We are talking about a communist state here, that's the only way I can explain what we're seeing. State controlled media, with BP running the whole show. They're lying, and no one can seem to do anything.

Most people are only going by what they see on CNN. Local news stories have to be acquired from the internet, and yes, we've got to do all the research. We now will have help, and hope we can take things further. We've already e-mailed our church, and friends that understand what's going on and the danger it entails.


We also know that people are being harassed by BP thugs. Don't know where this will go.

Where will this go is the same conclusion I was thinking. There is so much about this disaster that just doesn't make sense. If that pool was mine, I can tell you that I would at least be filing a police report and Health Department complaint.

I know they told us they were going to make a report to the Florida Environmental Protection Agency. I guess they're putting the proper paperwork together and going from there. We know there'll be no compensation monetarily, but we also know we've got to get the word out with the help of the people that are fighting this thing and mostly, and more importantly with the help of the LORD!!!

We also thank you guys so much for this forum and the people that may be reached and warned through your readers and their relatives or friends in Florida and the Gulf Coast!

It's a government of the people, by the people and for the people - and we all have to fight the good fight against the evil that's so pervasive in this gov't and these corporations!!

Here's more on the threats from BP thugs:

http://www.blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/08/24/bp-thugs-threating-independent-scientists-corexit-oil-bp-gulf-oil-spill-waters-3479/

Click on first story - then click on read more

Hello Sister Barbara,

I couldn't get the page to load. I'll try it again later.

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/exclusive-tests-find-sickened-family-has-50-3-ppm-of-corexits-2-butoxyethanol-in-swimming-pool-just-one-hour-north-of-tampa-lab-report-included

The word is getting out. This article is now getting spread all over FaceBook. Keep up the good work, sister.

Yikes! Pastor Roger! We didn't know that!

We just saw that the Higgins Blog, posted above, picked up the story, and we just thanked him! It's been a hard couple of days. We've been trying to warn people down here, alot of people want to know - others have never even heard of Corexit - which is being sprayed in our own backyard!! It is frustrating!

We just decided today to start taking care of ourselves and got in touch with our Dr., who isn't covered by insurance because he's an MD and a naturopath. Same with our other Dr. But we have to have my husband checked out, my son and myself. To get this result costs alot of $$ - but not to do anything will cost alot more. We're exhausted, and a little confused!

Isn't the internet wonderful? With the internet, information like this will get around rather quickly with very little effort.

FaceBook posting is one of the quickest ways now. That is why the government wants to start putting so many restrictions on it.

Sister Barbara,

You and others possibly effected by this will be in my prayers. I'm glad to hear that the news is spreading. It's not right that the mainstream news isn't covering this. Maybe they will feel forced to soon. I hope so.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Sister, you may not know this but, my prayers are with you and your family.

In fact sister, it is all over the internet.

This is in PDF. Scientists oppose the use of dispersant chemicals in the Gulf of Mexico (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/Sections/aNEWS/2010/07-July%2010/ScientistsConsensusStatement.pdf)

Oil Spill Crisis Map (http://oilspill.labucketbrigade.org/reports/view/2173)

Corexit In Sickened Family’s Swimming Pool (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/08/30/lab-report-confirms-highly-toxic-levels-corexits-2butoxyethanol-503-ppm-sickened-family-swimming-pool-3992/)

My Google search 35 different links at the moment, and growing. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&&sa=X&ei=Tk19TOuXFZHmvQPR3_DcAg&ved=0CBQQBSgA&q=Corexit+Barbara+and+warren+Scheblers&spell=1)

 :o

We've heard - we've gotta step back from this - alot of schills out there!!! They play rough...but we've got truth!!

Thank you for your prayers!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, do be careful. Our prayers will continue.

Once average people start being informed about what's going on, they won't be able to stop the news from spreading. It won't make any difference how many thugs they have. News and TV will have to cover this sooner or later, and the hammer will fall on those responsible.

HANG IN THERE!

YES, you will be in our prayers.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Coast Guard: Oil and gas platform explosion in the Gulf

Even though this one hasn't created an oil spill it is the third such incident in the Gulf. It is definitely getting to be more than a bit suspicious to say the least.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/02/1804628/oil-rig-explodes-in-the-gulf.html

UM? - This should make everyone wonder where things are going - OR where they WANT things to go.

Mile Long Sheen after Gulf oil platform explodes

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38973757/ns/us_news-life/

Hey sister Barbara,

The word has gotten out, if you click on the link for my search there are now 195 results. I have gotten a hold of the news services in Arizona, and sent them the main link (from Pastor Roger).

Hi Shammu! How are you?

Yeah, we've been getting alot of e-mail. It's good we stepped back, this is getting around according to God's purposes - we don't have to do anything. God wants to warn people and he's doing it His way - Amazing!

This was one we received this morning. It's a radio talk show, but we haven't figured out which one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym6haebWz0A

I feel that the man of evil will be someone released from the pit for a short time.........a person who has lived in the past and has come back to life.........and those who are not Christians will marvel......and many will follow after him. 

Rev.  17:  8-11

Rev.  13:  3-8


In my opinion, it is one of the past seven leaders who persecuted Israel.   He is the 8th.... and is of the 7.

I feel that there is a chance that it will be Hitler.  If you study his speeches.......he starts out talking normally and then it seems as if a demon takes over.  He also spoke about his 1000 year Reich.......in mockery of the Lord's millennial kingdom.   He hypnotized nearly the whole country.......and you can see it in the speech which I have included. 

I feel that the Oil Well was blown up on purpose.  It blew up on Hitler's birthday.......April 20th.  It was officially sealed about 5 months later on Sept. 19, 2010........the date which I feel might possibly be the beginning of Daniel's 70th week  (as mentioned in another thread). 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGhdX1SI3KY


See also youtube videos or the book:     "The Rise of the Fourth Reich"   by Jim Marrs

Hello Brother David,

I have a hard time seeing this one. Bible Prophecy indicates there must be a war first - probably the war of Ezekiel 38-39 - and a resulting false 7 year peace treaty. I haven't seen anything that resembles the false peace treaty yet. However, I realize this is just my opinion, and many don't share it. Two great evils will be revealed after the start of the Tribulation Period:  the false prophet and the Anti-Christ. The false prophet will help the Anti-Christ gain power. Many think that the false prophet will arise from the church and the Anti-Christ as a political figure in the revived Roman Empire. Again, there are many opinions, but the Scriptures are clear about the revelation of two evils - the false prophet and the Anti-Christ. I think that the false peace treaty is also a fact.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Tom and thanks for your input. 


I initially became a bit suspicious last Sept because there were several major Jewish holidays taking place and some major events have happened in the past in conjunction with Jewish holidays.  Anyway.......you also had in Sept 2010 several meetings where Obama had Netenyahou and others over to the white house and other places.  The peace convenant does not have to necessarily be well publicized to the general public.  Then Israel was in my view insulted because Obama and others chose the UN session to discuss the results of these talks at a time when Netenyahou could not even attend....namely Yom Kippur......which ended Sept. 19. 

I have also read other places about a study of Christ's statement that He saw Satan fall as lightning from heaven.  We know that in the end times......Satan and the other bad angels will get kicked out of heaven.  Jesus would have been speaking in Hebrew and the study said that the Scripture verse would sound like this:   "Satan Barrak Obama."

So as bad angels can inhabit people for periods of time.....it is possible that even Satan himself is temporarily inhabiting Obama. 

As I feel that Hitler might come back to be anti-christ, several possibilities exist.  The false trinity might include Obama with Satan inside him, Hitler, and perhaps the ex-Nazi pope as the false prophet.

Another possibility is that Obama will perish and perhaps rise three days later as Hitler.  Pretty wild I know......but keep in mind that the end times will include many miraculous events......both from God and the powers of darkness.  The false prophet will be able to bring fire down from heaven.

In any case, the event will be so miraculous to those who are not Christians.......that many unbelievers will follow after the evil one.

No matter how bad things might be in the world....or in our lives......God is there to help us.  He loves us and cares about us very much.  I have been working on having the faith of the smallest seed.......namely a mustard seed.    He has been helping me with this.   

In regard to Ezek Chps 38 and 39, I feel that this encompasses the 7th Bowl judgment of God as well as afterword when Christ returns with his heavenly army (the saints) to destroy the armies arrayed against Him with a Word from His mouth (Rev. 19)


If you review Ezek 38: 19-22......it involves a great earthquake......such that all the mountains shall be thrown down.  Every wall shall fall.  It also says that great hailstones will fall (v. 22)


In the Seventh Bowl.....Rev. 16: 18-21........the following is described:

1.  a great earthquake as had not occurred since men where on earth.

2.  the cities of the nations fell

3.  every island fled away

4.  the mountains were not found

5.  great hailstones falling on men (weighing approx. 130 pounds each)


So in my opinion........Ezek 38 and 39 takes place near the end of Daniel's 70th week. 

Brother David,

We'll have to agree to disagree. I think that the battles of Ezekiel 38-39 could happen at any moment. I also don't think that the false peace treaty will be any secret. In terms of natural disasters, recent events should lead one to believe that almost anything could happen at any time. Regardless, agreement or disagreement on these matters is no big deal. They will all happen at God's appointed time, and no combination of powers will be able to stop them.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Very interesting that April 20 was Hitler's b'day. I guess the devil likes to observe his important dates. And alot of things have happened on God's calendar as laid out in Leviticus, including the sacrifice of the spotless Lamb of God on Passover, His buriel on Unleavened Bread, His Resurrection on First Fruits, and the giving of the Holy Spririt on Pentecost! (The devil can't beat that no matter how he tries). I think more will happen on the last 3 Festivals, too!

I know the spirit in Hitler was one of the AntiChrist and that spirit will definately take control of another evil minded individual in the very near future. Also, evil people in our own government expedited the passage of certain Nazi scientists and politicians and insiders at the end of the war into N and S America.

On Long Island in NY before WWII there was a whole town of Nazi sympathizers called "Camp Seigfried". That place was destroyed by the worst hurricane that ever hit Long Island - amazing how God works, and in these last days we'll have to sit back and watch as God's plan unfolds and the devils plan collapses!

Now we're still living in Florida, but still trying to get the funds together and the Holy Spririt to guide us to where we should go. So many doors have been closed over the past 7 months for us! But we're praying He'll get us to where we've got to go. This article shows how the 'elite' companies treat human beings on this earth:

www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/paper-cranes-sprayed-huge-clouds-dispersant-mist-100-miles-inland