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Title: Can you "know" God?
Post by: Claudius on February 03, 2004, 01:42:31 AM
Please post your thoughts.


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Claudius on February 03, 2004, 01:45:06 AM
You can vote yes or no even if you differ with the verses. Also, if you feel there are better verses supporting your opinion, let us know. And if you disagree with the above verses, don't be afraid to enlighten me. Thanks!
 :)


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: ebia on February 03, 2004, 01:51:43 AM
Neither, or both.

We can know something of Him, if we have a living relationship with Him, and attempt to understand the various ways He makes Himself know to us.

On the other hand, we can never completely know any other person, let alone an infinite God.


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Claudius on February 03, 2004, 01:56:04 AM
Good answer.


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Brandie on February 03, 2004, 09:59:56 AM
You come to know the nature of God by studying His Word and by letting Him lead you in life.  However, no matter how close your walk with God, no matter how well you may think you understand Him, His awesome power, grace, and love are much more than we can ever begin to fathom.  

Frankly, I sometimes find myself overwhelmed before Him because of His mighty glory.


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: JudgeNot on February 03, 2004, 10:06:04 AM
Knowing Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior is knowing God.  (Unless, of course, if you don't consider Jesus is God.)   ;)


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on February 03, 2004, 12:25:11 PM
Absolutely yes!  We can know God.

1Jo 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him  that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


Joh 17:2  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

While a agree that God's mysterious depths are beyond us, he has certainly made himself known to us in a way that we can understand.  Jesus Christ!   How do we know we know him?

Joh 15:9  As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
Joh 15:10  If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11  These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
Joh 15:12  This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14  Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:15  Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Joh 15:16  Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Joh 15:17  These things I command you, that ye love one another.

1Jo 2:3  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Grace and Peace!


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Sower on February 04, 2004, 12:43:36 AM
Please post your thoughts.

Absolutely. We can know God intimately and be known of Him completely. To know God is to know the mind of Christ, which is also the Word of God.  But to further know God, we must spend time with Him so that He can speak to us and we can commune with Him.  Prayer, praise, worship, and intercession are all aspects of knowing God, since we are communicating with our heavenly Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. When Christ says "I will come in to him and will sup with him, and he with me" (Rev.3:20) the Lord is speaking of the intimate relationship of two who enjoy each other's fellowship. The Lord intensely desires our intimate fellowship, even though He needs nothing from us.  That is the marvel of His grace!

"MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, AND I KNOW THEM, AND THEY FOLLOW ME... IF YE ABIDE IN ME, AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, YE SHALL ASK WHAT YE WILL, AND IT SHALL BE DONE UNTO YOU"  (Jn. 10:27; 15:7).


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Allinall on February 05, 2004, 10:06:25 AM
Great poll!  And very good responses.  My answer is a resounding YES[/b][/u]!!!  My friends, it is the grace of God to know Him.  It is by His gracious act of salvation that we might have this opportunity, but to stay at the door would be a shame.  To know Him.  That is our great gift!


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Symphony on February 06, 2004, 10:00:07 AM

Re:Can you "know" God?


What's the alternative?


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: JudgeNot on February 06, 2004, 10:18:22 AM
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What's the alternative?

 :D

Uh...
Casual acquaintance?  
Friend of a friend?  
The Big Guy in the corner office?  
Being ‘Lost in Space’?
Eternity being separated from Him???????????????

Hmmm.  You seem to be right Symph – no real alternatives I can see.


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Reba on February 06, 2004, 10:33:29 AM
"Warning! Warning!"

It does not compute

"Warning! Warning!"

 It does not compute
   


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: unworthy servant on February 06, 2004, 01:36:53 PM
Can you know God?  I would rather boast that I understand and know Him.

Jer 9:24 - but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the LORD who exercises lovingkindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things," declares the LORD.

But, obviously there are some who claim to know Him, but actaully don't, since they don't judge with righteous judgment.

John 7:24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Of course, that would never happen with the rulers of this forum or the rulers of this country since only righteous men who love justice rule. (This sentence is seasoned with just a hint of sarcasm)

Job 34:17 "Shall one who hates justice rule? And will you condemn the righteous mighty One,


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Claudius on February 06, 2004, 06:51:31 PM
Great poll!  And very good responses.  My answer is a resounding YES[/b][/u]!!!  My friends, it is the grace of God to know Him.  It is by His gracious act of salvation that we might have this opportunity, but to stay at the door would be a shame.  To know Him.  That is our great gift!
Thank you. I'm very pleased with the responses myself.


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Petro on February 10, 2004, 11:37:55 PM
Can you "know" God?

clauias,

Absolutely, man can know God but,,,,,,

Knowing God doesn't garauntee anyone, anything, consider what he says to those who claimed to know Him and worked many good works according to their own testimony (Mat 7:23)how about the goats at (Mat 25:31-46).

It is essential, God know the man, who claims he knows God.

Many today identify themselves as Christians, but do not know Christ, yet He says, He knows His sheep, these are those whom God has given Him.

And the Bible assures us, that God knows them who are His.
(II Tim 2:19)


Petro


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: halfgospel on April 11, 2004, 01:23:34 AM

the answer to that question depends on 'who God is?'.....if you mean God as in the God of the Christian, then your answer is yes. If you mean God as in the God of the mormon, or jehovah witness, then your answer would be no.

it all depends on what you think of Christ?
there are Christians that beleive in Christ' s Deity and there are Christians that strip Christ of his Deity.

Check out our website.
Yours in Christ,
Halfgospel




Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: halfgospel on April 11, 2004, 01:29:37 AM

the answer to that question depends on 'who God is?'.....if you mean God as in the God of the Christian, then your answer is yes. If you mean God as in the God of the mormon, or jehovah witness, then your answer would be no.

it all depends on what you think of Christ?
there are Christians that beleive in Christ' s Deity and there are Christians that strip Christ of his Deity.

Check out our website.
Yours in Christ,
Halfgospel




Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: smartinez1984 on April 13, 2004, 08:56:15 AM
Hmmm.... seems to me that if we CAN'T know God then we're in mighty big trouble...

When the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. They shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9).

Even MORE important is the flip-side... Does God know us????

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers” (Matthew 7:21-23)

Yes, we can KNOW God and, No, we cannot KNOW God...

Can you say dichotomy???? :)

God Bless,

-Samson


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Shylynne on April 13, 2004, 09:10:35 AM
Well said Samson  :)

Jam 2:23  And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

The Lord intensely desires our intimate fellowship, even though He needs nothing from us.  That is the marvel of His grace! ~ amen Sower


Title: Re:Can you "know" God?
Post by: Heidi on April 13, 2004, 09:22:20 AM
We can only know God in the person of Jesus Christ. Once we receive the Holy Spirit, we now not only have access to God, but we have the Spirit of God in us. That spirit gives me peace, thankfulness, joy, hope, love, and discernment. The Muslims, Jews, and pagans do not know God's spirit unless they have received it from Christ in which case they would know that Christ is telling the truth that He is the only way to God.