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First of all, I want to say Hi and I've missed you all  ;D! I'm so glad to be back.

I'd been a little under the weather but am much better and wanted to get back to the forum.

I wanted to ask if anyone has been getting any 'heads up' about the Swine Flu Shots. Here in Florida, we're getting some frightening warnings about what the shot contains and the problems that are expected to crop up.

We saw Obama just announced a national emergency yesterday in regards to the "pandemic",  ???, which gives him the power to override the constitution when he deems it necessary.

I didn't see anything posted (I may have missed it) so I thought I'd say hello and introduce this subject (if it hasn't been already).

Hi Barbara. It's great to see you again.

Even though he declared a national emergency he still cannot over ride the Constitution. His powers are still limited by the Constitution. Of course that doesn't mean that he won't try to do so anyway just as he as done on others things so far.

I've read quite a bit about the swine flu shots. Some for and some against. It is difficult to know what to believe anymore when it comes to anything in the media. There is always some kind of hidden agenda behind every subject.

Personally I won't be getting this shot since flu shots in general have had a negative effect on me. There are a lot of inoculations that I can't take since I got back from Desert Storm. In fact there is a possibility that it was a shot that I got while I was there that has caused my handicap condition so I am leery of all shots.

HI Pastor Roger!!!

It's great to see you again too!!

The reason I brought up this subject is because my own Dr., who once had a cancerous brain tumor, told my husband and I that because of what they've learned are in those shots, he cannot take them. Nevertheless, he can be mandated to do so - if he does, he said he's finished. He also recommended we didn't get them.

Shortly after, at a Bible conference in Boca Raton, a Dr. from that area came up to the podium and began to talk about the ingredients in this 'potion'. He, and we're learning many others in the medical profession, believe this is biological warfare (! :o)

He continued to list the ingredients in those shots and strictly warned against them. Another MD who was a pediatrician got up in the audience, and told the congregation that he had just resigned his practice because he refuses to administer this shot to his patients. Needless to say we were stunned.
The original speaker is now coming to our local congregation to speak in November and what he says on his website is chilling!

I would not have any problem believing any of this. After all we have a president and many of his staff/czars that promote infanticide and several of his czars have promoted the killing off of people in order to 'save gaia'. I would love to see that list of ingredients in this shot.

Amen, Pastor Roger!!

I've got their card which lists SOME of the ingredients:

Vaccine Ingredients:

MSG, antifreeze, formaldehyde, aluminum, glycerin, lead, cadmium, sulfates, yeast proteins, antibiotics, acetone, neomycin, streptomycin, mercury monkey kidney, dog kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf serum, ABORTED FETAL TISSUE, pig blood, horse blood, sheep blood, rabbit brain, guinea pig, cow heart, animal viruses...

AND one of the ingredients they're particularly concerned with is called Squalene Adjuvant, aka Oil in Water adjuvant. This ingredient has been found to cause auto-immune disorders and is synthetic.

Quoting from their website, "...The historical record is clear - attenuated, live viruses in vaccines SPREAD the disease very effectively. When combined with SQUALENE ADJUVANT - the virus becomes many times more potent..."

Yesterday I got a call from my girlfriend in NY who is an RN, her husband is also a healthcare professional. They're being told that they will be required to take these vaccines or be fired! She wanted to get more information from the Dr. down here in Florida who is lecturing on this subject! VERY Unsettling!

Squalene has gotten a bad rap that should never have been given to it. Squalene is naturally present in human blood as it is manufactured by the liver in human bodies. Squalene is present in the oil left by human fingerprints (Asano et al, 2002). Humans cannot live without squalene, because we use squalene as an essential building block to make hormones and other substances in our bodies. Squalene is also found in a variety of foods (for example: eggs, olive oil (0.7%), cookies, yeast, meat), cosmetics (for example: eye makeup, lipstick, baby powder), over-the-counter medications, and health supplements. Squalene in olive oil may contribute to the low cholesterol levels of people who consume Mediterranean-style diets (Smith, 2000). People can purchase squalene at health food stores. It is more commonly known as “shark liver oil.”

The aluminum in vaccines that has been used for years is in the form of aluminum hydroxide. This is used in many over the counter medications such as antacid and diarrheal compounds and has been used in flu shots for many decades.

There are a lot of natural foods enthusiasts that have put up a fight against these items for some time now yet both of them are found naturally in humans and in our food sources. I'm familiar with both of these as some have blamed them for the Gulf War Illness of which I suffer from. In fact it has been proved that Squalene was never in the anthrax shot that was blamed in this case and it is only in small traces in other shots manufactured in the U.S. in amounts less than found naturally in human blood.

I would be interested to do some research on the other things listed there as I would definitely have a problem with a number of them. As I said I am not taking it myself due to my sensitivities against medications. I suffer severe pain daily in both joints and muscles and have difficulty taking any type of pain medications. My Dr has just recently taken me off of all Nsaids except aspirin due to conflicts, as well as stronger pain meds.

Brothers and Sisters,

I'll just be blunt and say that I don't trust this administration at all, and the same is true for this RUSH vaccine. I will not be taking it, and nobody can force me to take it. Threatening to fire people that won't take it is enough for me to know that this is government out of control. I firmly believe that it's illegal and Unconstitutional to force people to do this. A class action suit needs to be filed. The government is messing in personal business, and they need to be rudely reminded to butt out. I have no personal knowledge about the safety of this NEW, RUSH vaccine - but the circumstances surrounding it STINK badly. Forced intrusion into someone's body is the ultimate intrusion. I feel most of the panic is government manufactured and unnecessary. People die from the regular flu every year, and I seriously think this is government trying illegal and Unconstitutional muscle for another AGENDA.

I will take the REGULAR flu shot that my doctor personally recommends, but the supply is very short on the regular flu shot. My wife and I simply told our doctor's office to put us on a list and serve those in high risk first.

Interesting about the squalene. I think they're concerned with the synthetic manufacture of that ingredient.

But I have more:

"Chillingly, the Novartis patent for the "Novel Pandemic Flu" declares that "African Green Monkey kidney cells" will be used for the 'viral growth substrate (i.e. the carrier medium)...but most incredible of all , because this is a "recombinant" and "novel" split vaccine, it is deemed necessary to include fragments of attenuated viruses (i.e. live pathogens) in the vaccine medium."

There are pages, and pages of information. I will ask when they come to our church about the squalene and learn what else I can. My RN friend says she knows of 12 deaths of children in NY after receiving these shots, though they didn't have the flu, and is concerned having 5 children of her own! Ahe's also learned that the kids in school, both public and Christian, will be required to receive these vaccinations.

Hi again blackeyedpeas!!!!!!!!!!  ;D Good to see you!!!!!

Also wanted to say, blackeyedpeas, about forced vaccinations - there is a report of an Internationa Flu Conference August 19th to 20th in Washington DC, shown on the internet about plans to take children from schools for mass vaccinations and quarentines. My friend is hearing this through the medical profession, so this kind of confirms what she's saying.

This is gross abuse of power. I thank God my son is in homeschool.

Hello Sister Barbara,

It's great to hear from you. I think that many things we are seeing and hearing are signs of the times. The TIME is LATE in this AGE OF GRACE.

I just plan on keep calling GOOD and evil what it is. Christians may face some difficult times before Christ comes to take us home, but God will be with us every step of the way. I would hope that most Christians recognize what's going on and are praying every day.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Amen, blackeyedpeas!!

I know we need to be standing in the Shadow of the Almighty! His mercy will reach from age to age!! We're beginning to see things that so many of our brothers and sisters in foreign countries and so many that have gone before us have seen.
 - You guys have helped to quiet some of my fears - I know I always need to remember to keep my eyes on the prize!  We are living in amazing times but there is a greater reality!!!!!!
 - I also want to thank you, Pastor Roger from my heart, for your service and your sacrifice to what has always been a great Christian country. My family has also been a military family - my dad fought in WWII; my brother-in-law in the Gulf War; and now my nephew is in the Marines and fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. I understand the great love and sacrifice & courage you and your family have made in order to maintain freedom in this great country.
 - I'd just like to add one more thing. My husband and I were listening to a radio program. A lawyer was citing a Supreme Court case that sets the precedent to make it entirely legal to mandate vaccinations! The case is over 100 years old and is called "Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts". Thought you might be interested.

Squalene is not a substance than can be synthetically manufactured. What is used in the shots by manufacturers of them is the shark squalene. Currently squalene is not authorized by the FDA for use in flu shots in the U.S. The H1N1 vaccine made in Britain does have it. With the declaration of H1N1 being a 'national disaster' this may change as drug manufacturers can now pass over that regulation and they can also pass over others that could make these vaccines very dangerous drugs. Something to keep in mind is that although a certain item may be natural and perfectly safe if placed together with certain other things they can become very dangerous.

Thank you for your recognition of Military service. I also thank all of your family likewise. It has taken many to accomplish what has been done for this nation in the past and I appreciate them all.

I will also have to read up some more on that case of "Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts". That is some interesting information.

A little history on the Jacobsen vs. Massachusetts case. Some very interesting information.


http://proliberty.com/observer/20020408.htm

Really interesting information, Pastor Roger!!!! Thank you!!

We also heard this lawyer saying "The only reason you don't have to get a vaccination at this point is because your legislature has not required it. But if the CDC dictates in an Emergency, you would have to take that up with the Feds. If you refuse, you could be held criminally liable. If mandatory vaccinations are legislated they are constitutional, and have been for the past 100 years."
 
Your information adds more understanding to what is going on and why they feel they can legislate whatever they want.

Also wanted to add this info I found from "The Greatest Story Never Told" by Gary Matsumoto.

"Anyone remotely familiar with oil additives for vaccines could have told you that they were a big problem. For reasons science has yet to fully explain, oils and other fatty substances found in the body, like cholesterol and phospholipids, are potent stimulants to the immune system. Try as they might, scientists trying to harness this property have yet to come up with an oil adjuvant safe enough to use in humans. Since the 1930s the gold standard has been the aforementioned Freund's Complete Adjuvant - an elixer banned from human use because of its toxicity. When Freund's Incomplete Adjuvant, a vaccine additive made chiefly from mineral oil, proved too risky as well, scientists tried changing the oil.
In the 1970's scientists began looking for a less toxic oil...including edible oils on the assumption that because they could "metabolize" the body could process them safely. In other words, if you could ingest them you could inject them...but you could metabolize a cheeseburger, for instance, but you couldn't liquify it in a blender and inject the resulting slurry and feel good in the morning....scientists began injecting rats with dozens of these metabolizable oils, including olive, coconut, and on and on. All the oils were toxic - they all induced arthritis in rats in varying degrees."

2 oils were particularly bad - squalane and squalene which were guaranteed to cripple!!

More interesting information and it does reflect more logic than most. A factor that seems to be missing in most cases today (logic).

Hi Barbra, and welcome back sister. :D :D

I will not be getting the swine flu shot. I've got quite a few problems already, I don't need more. After reading about the side affects I don't want more problems, or take a chance of a problem. I got the swine flu shot back in '71. Since then, I don't trust shots anymore. Looking back, some of the problems I have started shortly after the swine flu shots back in the 70's. Since then, I don't trust shots anymore.

I do try and eat healthy foods. My normal diet has;
1. Different types of Fish
2. I have different types of citrus daily
3. I cook with garlic, and onions daily
4. Carrots, spinach mangoes, apricots, cantaloupe and honey dew melons
5. Salad, every night before dinner, (Romaine, and Iceberg lettuce) with tomato, cucumbers, and onion

I do limit my intake of red meat but, I also enjoy a good porter house steak from time to time. About the only thing of pork I eat is ham, nope, no sausage, or bacon. The local butcher here saves me a raw ham, so I can smoke (apple wood) it myself.

WOW! - An apple wood smoked ham sure sounds good to me. Now, you've made me hungry.

Hi DreamWeaver!!!

Its good to see you again!!

Sounds like a great diet. It seems my husband and I have become sensitive to just about everything we eat, both of our digestive systems seem to be affected by foods we normally ate our whole lives (we're in our mid 50's). The last vaccination my husband ever got was for the flu during the 90's, which was made mandatory at his work place. The last I got was for tetanus, but have had many surgeries lately. Not sure why this hit us both at the same time, though.

We've been told the things that are least prone to allergic reactions are fish (but no shellfish), meat (also no pork), potatoes and vegetables including lots of salads. We're trying to stick as close to that as possible and feel better and have less reactions.

I can eat almost anything I want to eat, I'm not sensitive to very many foods. By the way sister, your only a few years older then I am................ I'm only 52.  (http://bestsmileys.com/tongs/11.gif)


By the way, the last flu shot I got was 1971. Since then, I've avoided flu shots anyway I can. Lizzie has to get both flu, and swine flu shots, because of where she works. She isn't very happy about it but, she wants to retire from where she works. They have a great retirement plan. Lizzie works for the telephone company.

Hello Sister Barbara,

I can't believe that the youngster is making fun of us older folks. If it makes you feel any better, I'm older than you are, and he makes fun of me all the time.   ;D

 :D

Hey, no one can make fun of us more than we make fun of ourselves!!! In our 50's we're already gettin' like a couple of old geezers!!

All the pains and aches - we thought they'd go away when we came down her to Florida - but no. Just getting up in the morning is a painful experience  :o !!!

Can't wait for our glorified bodies!!!!!

Yes, in the twinkling of an eye.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58  Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.  51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,  52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.  54  So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  55  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?  56  The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.  57  But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.  58  Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.


1 Thessalonians 4:13-18  13  But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.  14  For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.  15  For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.  16  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:  17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.  18  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Sister, there's been quite a bit of talk of this of late. I also think that we are not that far off, of Jesus calling His home. :D :D :D



Speak for yourself sister. ;) I ain't old nor, am I an old geezer.According to a few of the oldsters, I'm a youngster. (http://bestsmileys.com/tongs/11.gif)


As you can see sister, this here ole' timer as said it, I'm a youngster.  (http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)

Hey DreamWeaver,

I have to admit, if you're not crotchety, can get out of bed or off the couch without saying "Ohhhhhhhh man that hurts", and especially if you can get up from kneeling on the floor by yourself without leaning on anything or making this face  :o, then absolutely, you have not become part of the exclusive "Old Geezers Club" and will not be able to enter our resort without supervision from one of us "Old Timers before our time", official members!!!

Many have joined, and others are just ACHING to get in!! (This is just a sample of us Old Folks slow witted humor)

We also have official passwords that change each day, like -"What did you say?"
or - "Where did I put  glasses?" and - "Can you make the TV louder please?"
 Until you've mastered this and much more, young Jedi, you cannot enter the portals of our exclusive domain!!  :D

 ;D

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm the keeper of the member list and passwords for the "Old Geezer's Club", but I forgot where I put the list.

blackeyedpeas - I couldn't read your message cause I can't find my glasses (I know I just had them somewhere.....) By the way, I have to send out a newletter to the "Old Geezers Club" could you send me the list?

DreamWeaver - thank you for enlarging the font - I can't seem to find my glasses  ???  I should see if my husband can help me look for them, but...I don't know...he's so old he used to be the cabin boy on Noah's ark...

 :D ;D

Going by your requirements for being in the "Old Geezers Club" Dreamweaver has been admitted into it.

 ;D ;D ;)

 ;D

Thank you, Pastor Roger, for that update. I didn't realize he applied.

I guess he could tell how much action and adventure is involved with this membership - you never know what'll happen next when you're an official 'Old Geezer' - you don't know what you won't hear, what you will lose, and you never know where, when or if you'll find things that you have lost. There's always excitement and surprises!!

Welcome DreamWeaver and thank you for your application!! We're thrilled to have you! I'd tell my husband but I don't remember where he said he was going.  ???

(So, I guess with all the paperwork for a new member, that's why blackeyedpeas hasn't sent me the membership list yet...)

Why your welcome sister, it's easy enough to do for you. Hmmmmmmm if your hubby was Noah's cabin boy..........................   (http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif)

I don't remember ever asking to be admitted to y'alls club. I'm still a youngster according to y'all. (http://bestsmileys.com/tongs/11.gif)

lol .... None of us have really asked to be a part of it.

 ;D

I think that anything more than one malfunctioning body part gets you an honorary membership. However, Alzheimer's is an automatic, free lifetime membership. By the way, multiple personalities qualifies as more than one malfunctioning part.   ;D

 ;D :D ;D

Dear DreamWeaver- just the beginning phrase of your previous reply cries out that there is a 'malfunctioning body part'.....You said

I DON'T REMEMBER....

That, to us, is a GIANT INDICATOR!!!! Being full members we immediately recognize the symptoms!!

I've gotta interrupt for this 'heads up' I just got on e-mail:

Martial Law Declared in Ukraine Over Mystery Flu Epidemic
by Steve Watson, InfoWars.com, Nov. 5, 2009

Ukrainian President Victor Yushchenko has all but declare martial law in the country as he announced yesterday that the Nat'l Security and Defense Council will become the supreme ruling authority in the wake of a mystery epidemic sweeping the country. Yushchenko has made high ranking health ministers members of the NSDC, a gov't body consisting of the president himself, the chairman of the parliament, the Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, the head of the Security Service of Ukraine, and other high ranking ministers.

Yushchenko told reporters Wednesday night that the "non fulfillment of its decisions will be prosecuited", adding "We need to change the system. We need to change the whole system of the state power organization in the Ukraine. We have no time for remonstrance, no time for waiting..."                                              Cont'd...

Cont'd...
After announcing that some health officials have already been arrested, we learn that the President is tasking the nation's top prosecutor to take over the operation of enforecement of the gov't's decrees.

"A further report from Interfax Ukrainia Agency says the Ukrainian Health Minister Wasilij Kniazevicz has aked the country's top prosecutor to open criminal proceedings against those who are opposed to the implementation of the mass flu vaccination campaign..."As the president, I ask you, dear fellow citizens, to reconsider your attitude to vaccination and do it if necessary, but only, I emphasize it, only after consultation with the doctor. People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely unprecedented and inconceivable in the XXI century. All the limits have been exceeded - even those under the Constitution that determines my actions as the President." Yushchenko states.

These steps and this type of excessive rhetoric were rumored to be part of Obama's plan to force vaccinations upon everyone and to jail protestors. I believe they want to test this dictatorial scenario on the Ukraine before they force it on America and the rest of the world...
 :o Uh-ohhh

Hello Sister Barbara,

Nothing would surprise me these days. Regardless of what they do, the people I know will NOT take this shot. In a best case scenario, this is a rushed vaccine with many unknowns - including effectiveness and safety. In a worst case scenario - who knows what it is?

These are just a few the cases of deaths related to the vaccine. Many, many more are going unreported as two cases here in mid-Illinois that I know of.

Tarrant County Texas reported its seventh death from the swine flu, a woman in her late 40s who died earlier this week.

FIFTH "SWINE FLU" VACCINE DEATH IN SWEDEN

Swine flu jab (vaccine) link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America... Read More

China says 2 dead after getting swine flu vaccine

Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS) Cases Confirmed in H1N1 Vaccine Patients

I would guess that the majority of cases would be either undiagnosed or unreported. The implementation of this vaccine was very strange, much like the rest of what's being done by this administration.

something tells me not to get shot

I know that I will do all I can to resist getting it. The health problems that I already suffer from are suspected of being caused by a vaccine that was rushed through and bypassed many of the normal procedures of processing just as this one is doing.

I'm with you, Pastor Roger! I will do all I can to keep from getting it. My Doc says I can't - he also says he and his wife can't because of previous problems they've suffered.

I know of 13 deaths in Long Island, NY through my girlfriend who's an RN up there. Here's part of an MSNBC story of a boy in Virginia:
"Va. teen suffers rare Illness After Swine Flu Shot
Boy diagnosed with Guiallian-Barre syndrome, but CDC says 'no clear link'
by JoNel Allecia, Nov. 12, 2009
A 14 yr old Va. boy is struggling to walk, after coming down with a reported case of Guillian-Barre Syndrome within hours after receiving the H1N1 flu shot.
Jordan McFarland, a highschool athlete from Alexandria,Va., left Inova Fairfax Hospital Tues. night in a wheelchair, nearly a week after developing severe headaches, muscle spasms and weakness in his legs, following a swine flu shot. He will likely need the assistance of a walker for four to six weeks, plus extensive physical therapy..."           Cont'd...
 

This is EXACTLY what the Dr we heard in Boca Raton at a Bible conference say would happen. He named this condition and many others that wouldn't even be named because of the ingredients and their previous "perfomance" in vaccines. We'll be hearing them speak again next Sunday at our church. Will tell you what we learn.

We are not hearing all that's going on out there as I've heard from NY. There are alot of unreported problems.

The news media isn't covering this story. I wonder if they've been told not to.

I wouldn't doubt that at all.

I wonder the same thing, blackeyedpeas!

This is not the country we knew. Terrible things are happening so quickly!

We heard a sermon a few years ago that is haunting us now because we seem to be seeing something so similar to what we were taught from the book of Revelation. Don't remember exactly all the details, but we were told that after a monetary collapse there would be a significant population reduction that would involve death by 'therion' in the Greek, 'beasts of the fields' in the KJV! This virus is eerily similar to that verse in Revelation! These 'mixtures' that are being passed as 'flu therapy' contain assorted viruses from the 'beasts of the field' and so does the flu itself!

Also read today that part of the new 'HealthCare Bill' would require mandatory vaccinations.

We can only draw closer and closer to the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY! - studying, with all diligence, His Word, which guides us in the way we should walk in accordance with His will and His ways!!!! He makes a way where there is no way!!

God's Word tells us there is much worse yet to come, but things appear to be escalating for the worse every day now. I personally believe that Christ will Rapture His Church before the Tribulation Period, but maybe my opinion is wrong. I love your last two sentences. If we follow your advice, God will be with us every step of the way until He comes to take us Home.

If someone would have told me just a year ago what we would see today, I would have doubted it. I'm guilty of having too much trust in our system of government, our rule of Law, and our Constitution. I was naive and didn't think that anyone would get away with constant law and Constitution violations. I still have a glimmer of hope that our laws and Constitutions will be enforced. On the other side of the coin, I firmly believe that the Tribulation Period is near. If so, man has just started to make the worst mess in history. I also know that nothing will be able to stop it when God's appointed time arrives. It would be wonderful if the Rapture happened today. Regardless, we should yield ourselves for God's Use until the last moment. The only way I know how to do that is to follow the advice in your last two sentences.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Isaiah 45:22-23  Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.  23  I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

My doctor just told me that the vaccine is actually safe and that the cause of death isn't true. Therefore, I'd like to know where you guys get your information.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=25468.msg280198#msg280198

These are all news headlines that I copied off the internet. Using them in an internet search will get you the sources. There is a strong disagreement on this subject depending on which Dr you talk to. There are as many against it as there are for it. It is a personal decision that everyone has to make. As for me, I get bad side effects from the regular flu shot and my current health is suspected to be caused by a shot that was pushed through as this one was so there is no question in my own mind about not taking the swine flu shot.

I haven't laughed so much in quite awhile as I did reading this!  By the way...does having to put your glasses on so that you can hear count?

Well some sites say it is safe and won't cause death. It is so confusing.

Hi David!

I have the name of a website, but I don't think I'm allowed to post it on the forum. There are Christian people lecturing all over the country about the effects and the content of these shots. They are Doctors. I am going to a lecture today. They're treating patients with Gulf War Syndrome and are seeing the same ingredients (listed above in other posts) that are suspected to cause so much damage, in the swine flu shots.

Am I allowed to post a website?

Today I got an email from another ministry that 3 pregnant women lost their babies immediately after getting this shot. They were told it was safe, too.
My girlfriend in NY is an RN and knows of 13 children that have died immediately after getting this shot.

I'll give you as much info as I can after today's lecture. I'll also post some more info from the website I mentioned. They're trying to get the message out. That's all they can do.

Hi Barbara,

I don't see a problem with posting the link at this time. If there is a problem with it then it will be a simple matter to remove the link.

Thank you Pastor Roger!

There's so much more info on these folks website. As a short history, they lost their 4 year old daughter, who had gotten a number of vaccinations back in 1999. Her death and previous disability was traced back to ingredients in those vaccinations. Since then, as you can imagine, they've been trying to spread the word, and are very active with other Doctors around the world, doing research in this area, and are very sensitive to the ingredients in these vaccines. They've just recently restored someone we know who had Gulf War Syndrome, from a wheel chair to walking 3 miles a day, within a short period of time. Their website is:

http://www.vacinfo.org/True.htm

We were at a conference this weekend that was 'eye opening'. Even visited his office where they have some really 'mind blowing' technology to help diagnose the amount of toxins in your body.

Confirmed: 24 cases of anaphylaxis following H1N1 shots
1 death from severe allergic reaction that can cause a person's airways to close up

There have been 24 confirmed cases of a type of severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis in Canadians who have received an H1N1 flu shot, including one person who died after getting vaccinated, the head of the Public Health Agency of Canada said Wednesday.

Dr. David Butler-Jones said the person who died - identified in the media as a Quebec man in his 80s - met the criteria for having an anaphylactic reaction. But he said it's still not clear whether that or other health problems caused the death.

"There were a number of other situations. So exactly what the ultimate cause was or what the issues are, that will take some time, I understand, to investigate," said Butler-Jones.

Anaphylaxis is a severe allergic reaction that can cause a person's airways to close up. It can be fatal and must be treated quickly with adrenaline, generally administered via the EpiPen devices carried by people with severe food or insect sting allergies.

Butler-Jones disclosed the information in Ottawa during a news conference at which federal health officials revealed flu activity appears to be levelling off in some parts of the country.

They did not say where, though Butler-Jones did mention there has been a decline in new hospitalizations in British Columbia, which was at the forefront of the current wave of activity.

However, Butler-Jones warned a good chunk of the Canadian population is likely still susceptible to the virus. He estimated between five and 10 per cent of people have probably been ill and about 25 per cent have been vaccinated.

"Influenza remains an unpredictable disease," he said.

"And reaching the plateau of the second wave in some communities does not mean that the pandemic is over. There is still the other side of the peak. And there remain millions of infections to be prevented."

Officials hope to persuade millions more of those folks to get vaccinated, especially now that vaccine production is expected to more than keep pace with demand.

Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said she will be vaccinated within the next few days. She noted that by the end of this week a total of more than 15 million doses of vaccine will have been shipped to the provinces and territories.

That's almost enough for half the country's population, nearly the proportion of Canadians who've indicated in the most recent public opinion polls that they intend to get vaccinated.

Butler-Jones said despite the signals there may be a levelling off underway, flu activity remains four to seven times higher than is normally seen at this time of year. That's not altogether surprising - there generally isn't much flu activity at this point in the year.

For the week ending Nov. 14 there were 1,674 new hospitalizations, 261 ICU admissions and 84 deaths, he said. As of Tuesday, there had been 279 laboratory confirmed deaths in Canada caused by this virus.

On the issue of serious adverse reactions to the H1N1 vaccine, Butler-Jones said the rate of anaphylactic events was about 0.32 cases for every 100,000 doses of vaccine delivered - a figure that's within the norm for mass vaccination efforts.

And an official of the Centers for Disease Control said the U.S. agency has looked at reports of severe allergic reactions after H1N1 shots and isn't seeing anything abnormal.

"We've also looked in a little more detail at severe allergic reactions, and, again, those are not showing up more commonly than we would expect," said Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC's national center for immunization and respiratory diseases.

Attention was drawn to the issue of anaphylaxis last week when vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline told provinces to stop using vaccine from a batch of 172,000 doses that was sent out last month. The halt-use order was issued because six people vaccinated from that batch developed anaphylaxis - a higher than expected number of such cases.

All but 15,000 doses of the vaccine had been used by the time the halt-use order was issued, said Dr. Danielle Grondin, assistant deputy minister of the public health agency.

But confirmed cases of anaphylaxis have been seen with other batches as well. And some possible cases may still be under investigation.

Ursula Fournier's son Max is one. The Halifax mother said Wednesday she's still waiting to hear if the reaction Max, 4 1/2, suffered when he got his shot on Nov. 3 was anaphylaxis.

Almost immediately after getting the shot, Max went limp, Fournier said. His blood pressure dropped and his breathing got "really laboured and loud," she said.

Staff of the clinic quickly used an EpiPen to revive the boy, who was then taken to the local children's hospital, IWK Health Centre, where he was kept under observation for six hours.

Fournier was told Max's doctor would be contacted and the boy would be referred to an allergy specialist. But she'd like to know if her son had an anaphylactic reaction.

"I would think as his parent it's my responsibility to get to the bottom of it," said Fournier, who expressed frustration at the lack of information.

Yes, and looking for your glasses for over an hour while they're on top of your head also counts.   ;D

Thanks Pastor Roger and Sister Barbara for all of the additional information on the swine flu vaccine. I have already decided that I won't take it, regardless of circumstances.

I took the regular flu shot, but only after my doctor told me it was completely safe. I would rather take my chances with the swine flu than all of the possible effects of the vaccine.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hey blackeyedpeas --- I just noticed that now I'm officially called a "SENIOR MEMBER" --- I knew there was no way to hide my age!!   :D

How many more have suffered or died that has not been reported?

Woman claims swine-flu shot caused paralysis
CDC: 10 reports of Guillain-Barre Syndrome following H1N1 vaccine in last 2 months

A Tennessee woman is learning to walk again after she came down with a deadly nerve disease only eight days after receiving the swine-flu vaccine.

Clarksville resident Suzanne Hogan is recovering at Vanderbilt University Medical Center's Stallworth Rehabilitation Center from Guillain-Barre Syndrome, or GBS, an illness she believes is associated with the H1N1 vaccination.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal. Symptoms may include "pins and needles" sensations in fingers and toes; weakness or tingling in legs and upper body; inability to walk; difficulty with eye movement, facial movement, speaking, chewing or swallowing; severe lower back pain; difficulty with bladder control or intestinal functions; very slow heart rate or low blood pressure; difficulty breathing; choking on saliva and even complete paralysis of legs, arms and breathing muscles over the course of a few hours.

Hogan was hospitalized Nov. 14 when she lost function of her legs and was unable to walk without assistance. She is now learning how to master motor skills.

Suzanne's husband, Shannon, told the Leaf-Chronicle no one else in his family will take the H1N1 vaccine.

"They expect Suzanne to have a 100 percent recovery. We just want people to know the risk," he said. "If you've ever watched anyone go through Guillain-Barre, you would rather go through the flu."

Other GBS cases after H1N1 vaccination

In November, a 14-year-old Virginia boy also came down with GBS only hours after receiving the H1N1 vaccine. He became weak and struggled to walk.

Jordan McFarland, a high school athlete from Alexandria, left the hospital in a wheelchair after he developed severe headaches, muscle spasms and weakness in his legs following the shot, MSNBC reported. He now requires assistance of a walker and extensive physical therapy.

"The doctor said I'll recover fully, but it's going to take some time," he said.

Also during November, a woman in France was diagnosed with GBS only six days after receiving the H1N1 vaccine.

Another unnamed adult in Canada was diagnosed with GBS only three weeks after receiving the H1N1 flu shot in November.

Likewise, a 16-year-old boy experienced dizziness right after his Nov. 16 shot and contracted GBS. He was admitted to a hospital when his arms and legs became paralyzed, the Korea Herald reported.

More recently, a family in Albuquerque, N.M., claim the H1N1 vaccine may have been responsible for their 14-month-old daughter's nervous system disorder called ataxia.

"In that two-week period after [the shot], she just started gradually going down and going down, her father told KOAT-TV. "She would stand up and she would just collapse over."

The girl's parents say a neurologist told them the condition may have been an adverse effect of the H1N1 vaccine.

GBS link to H1N1?

Use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 resulted in 25 people suffering from severe paralysis and dying from respiratory failure after being injected with the vaccine – more than the number of lives claimed from the virus itself.

In 1976, health officials found nearly 500 cases of GBS, and the vaccine was withdrawn 10 weeks after the link with GBS was suspected. Following the 1976 vaccination against swine flu in the U.S., a retrospective study found a likely eight-fold increase in the incidence of GBS. Although the vaccine was withdrawn when the connection was made, the U.S. government paid millions to settle suits by those injured or killed.

As WND reported in August this year, two letters from the U.K.'s Health Protection Agency to top neurologists warned doctors to watch for an increase in cases of the fatal disorder.

"I would not have the swine-flu jab because of the GBS risk," a senior neurologist told London's Mail.

The HPA letters noted the lack of testing on the new vaccine and called on neurologists to monitor and report every incident of GBS so the product could be withdrawn if problems were identified.

see more here including charts:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118477

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Hello Sister Barbara,

I could be wrong, but I think the forum recognizes you as a SENIOR MEMBER when the number of your posts goes over 250.

I have to confess - I figured that  :D

But I couldn't help but laugh after our previous conversations about our 'advanced' conditions  :D :D :D - Senior Member describes me in multiple ways!!

 ;D  I think that describes a lot of us, but someone with the initials of DreamWeaver won't admit it. He prefers to be known as youngster since some of us might be several months (or more) older than he is. "Or more" is a distinction in this statement.