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Since we have spent most of this forum bashing George Bush, I would like to know who you think will be the next 'winner' for the President of the US.  
       Would you vote again for Bush, who in the world would you want as a Democrat for Pres.?
        Just curious........ Joy ;D

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George Bush,George Bush, ;D ;D ;D

GWB will, shall, must stay in office to fullfill his endtime purpose. That's why I think he'll gain a second term as the president of the US of A.

A third term in my view is also on the horizon, even though right now such a third term seems to be unconstitutional.

( If someone correct me on that 3rd term; i'd be happy, another question will be answered then :) )

But i wouldn't vote on him; i would vote on a christian candidate.

You would vote for "A christian candidate"
Doesnt George W qualify?  

All I say is that it would be wise to vote for the christian candidate. Even though he would not run on the long run for the white house....

Live in a European state for just one election year, and you would know what you guys miss electorially speaking....

But in the electorially poverty you guys are experiencing there are some christian candidates out there, even when they don't make it to finals.

Do you think that someone who acts as a christian yet does not declare himself as Christian is preferable to Someone who declares himself Christian yet does not act like a Christian?

Sammy,  who do you think would make a good President?  Any ideas, since you seem to be so disheartened with President Bush?  

I'm routing for the guys in the seven up comercials they're funny.   ;D

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

George Bush will be the next President. There is no competition.

I would actualy support whatever Democratic Candidate is put forward.  I hate the democrats, but they are the most likely to win and overthrow Bush.  
Its hard to know what our politicians think anymore because the republicans have built such a climate of fear around criticising GB and his approach to the "War on Terror"

Sammy,

It is the people, the voters, who say what they like and don't like. The people are saying they like what the republicans are doing and dislike what the democrats are doing. It's the people who like George Bush, about 80% of them. The republicans haven't built a climate at all, the voters did.

UM?, I think that's the way it is supposed to work. UM?, it almost sounds like a democracy. Imagine that!

A democracy in which under 40% vote?  
A democracy in which the controlling government controls the Media?
A democracy that has destroyed the most important social document in the U.S.: the Bill of Rights?

If you create enough of a climate of fear you can get the people to follow ANYONE who says they can provide safety and stability.  
For the good of the world as well as America. Bush must lose the next election.  Are you all Millionaires?  If you're not, then you are starting to feel the pinch of a deppressed economy.
You're white and Christian so for the time being your safe from 'anti terrorist" persecution.  Just wait, and see how your arab neighbours are being treated.

Sammy, I bet you are the only one smart enough to fix all of these problems. You need to run for office. Maybe you could make it a death sentence for failure to vote. UM??, that would work.

It was the first day of school and the teacher thought she'd get to know the new kids by asking them their name and what their father does for a living.

The first little girl says: "My name is Mary and my daddy is a postman."

The next little boy says: "I'm Andy and my Dad is mechanic."

Then one little boy says: "My name is Jimmy and my father is a striptease dancer in a cabaret for gay men."

The teacher gasps and quickly changes the subject.

Later in the school yard, the teacher approaches Jimmy privately and asks if it was really true that his Dad dances nude in a gay bar.

He blushed and said, "No, my dad raises money for the Democratic Party, but I was just too embarrassed to say it."
 ;D ;D ;D

    Bill and Hillary Clinton are going to vote for George Bush!

    You think I'm kidding but I'm not. The Clintons want Bush to win in 2004! Hillary wants to run in 2008. She won't run against Bush now cause she'll lose. Their convinced that if Bush gets a second term She'll win in 2008. If a democrat wins in 2004 she can't run until 2012.

     Hillary will run in 2008 and try to rally the democrats against a 12 year republican sweep. The scary thing is she'll be tough to beat! minorities love her, the democratic party will go along, scary.

    Theres only one person who can definately beat her in 2008

     Theres only one choice for republicans and I hope they are smart enough to see it.

     The only person who can beat Hillary hands down in 2008 is Colin Powell.

     Deep down the Democrats are planning on Hillary in 2008.

     Its nice to have a president I can respect and talk to my son about. We are in great risk in this country and at least our president sees it. I fear the liberals.

I agree Paul2  ;D

You guys need to seperate religion from politics !
It'll soon do some severe damage.

On another note: what are the chances for a president to run a third period ?

Long Live G.W. Bush

America is hurting for good honest men to come forward to lead and direct in a direction for all Americans.

America needs to make its elected officials answerable to them and responsible.

America needs to govern America and let the rest of the world govern themselves as they want.

Let us pray the next president will be a leader and example for all America, not a select few.

As of this moment America has not seen the man who truly should be the next president. All America has is more of the same.

God's will be done.

How can someone possibly vote for a man who claims to be a christian but is an active supporter for the death penalty? I´m not from the States so all I know about Goerge W Bush is what I´ve heared from News programmes and News papers. Still, he doesn´t seem like a man one would want to rule a country, a country who has a lot of power - and therefore a lot of responsibility.

Oklahoma Howdy to Hedda,

The Holy Bible supports the death penalty, and most Christians support the death penalty for that and other reasons. There is no conflict between the two. The questions arise when someone innocent is convicted and given a death sentence.

If any doubt of innocence was removed, most Americans would favor a swift and sure death sentence for the types of cases that sentence is currently applied to. The crime is barbaric, not the sentence.

Thank you, bep.  I appreciate that.

I'm wondering--to get back to the original question--if somehow something really weird will take place, and somehow two years from now we'll be staring at a police state, compliments of a President Hillary Clinton.

I've imagined with the present administration, well-intentioned, setting up homeland security, with our best interests at heart, which I sincerely believe these men--John Ashcroft, Pres. Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell--to have, that all it would take is for the wrong people to be in the driver's seat.

With possible fractures over the question of WMD there in Iraq, if Pres. Bush is made to look bad enough, getting us into an "unnecessary" war, it's not impossible that he could be voted out, and UNOWHO somehow in charge.  It's just a nightmare I've been having.  Sorry.

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

Let me try to relieve some of your fears. First, you really need to know where most police officers stand in this country. The vast majority would never allow or participate in a police state. The vast majority also support gun ownership by law abiding citizens. In my opinion, if a police state were attempted in America, the police would be on the side of the people. I could see some temporary solutions to rid our country of terrorists, but the people and the police will never allow a police state. We are all in the same boat, and we simply want to get to the other side without some lunatic terrorist punching holes in the boat.

The American people are smart enough to figure out what is happening. That's why Bush's approval ratings are breaking records. H. Clinton won't have a chance against Bush. The American people aren't buying the liberal garbage being spewed. If anything, they are simply making the next election easier for Bush.

In Christ.

THanks, bep.  

Two months further along now, in the early campaign days; Pres. Bush on vacation(much needed, I know!)....

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

I've heard and seen a little bit about those alleged vacations. I think that President Bush cuts his actual working hours from 18 hours per to 14 hours per day. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he has waterproof phones in the shower to do business.   ;)

In Christ.

VOTE: BUSH

Thanks, Amb4Christ...

Hmm, yes, I suppose that's right bep.  The Pres. wouldn't really have much time to just really kick back...  too much to think about for sure--the anticipation of locating Saddam (OR Osama--does anyone remember him?...)...

Plus terrorism in general..

Go W!

Who's Osama??

Oklahoma Howdy to Mr. 5020,

I'm hoping that Osama is that guy who will be eventually caught and permanently sewn into a pigskin, including the head.  ;)

Let me reconsider, maybe I was too shy on this topic.

Tom

LOL :)

Brother Love :)

I wonder why they haven't happened on to either Osama, or Saddam.   I know Saddam has a $25m bounty on his head; what about Osama??

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

I'm guessing it would be mainly the "fear factor" and possibly no concept of how much money that is. I think the fear factor will gradually decline as more and more of the top guys go down. If the fear factor gets low enough, the greed factor may take over. Who knows?

In Christ,
Tom

Rom 13:1  Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
 
Rom 13:2  Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

Rom 13:3  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

Rom 13:4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rom 13:5  Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Rom 13:6  For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Rom 13:7  Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.


A few of my thoughts on the above verses. . .
When Paul penned the above his homeland was in slavery to Rome, yes i know Paul was a roman citizen. There are so many times when i wish i  didn't believe these scriptures. My mind  says  how can so~n~so  be from GOD?  But HIS word stands as TRUTH.  Billy was from GOD, GW is from GOD,  Osama is from GOD,  As Pharaoh was from GOD  So as Moses.  One may ask if you believe that why vote etc. Verse 7 tells me to vote. In the USA voting is a GOD given responsibility. As a Christian i can not  vote for a person or party that  believes or supports abortion. ( abortion  is evil, death penalty  is scriptural) Supporting abortion in any way is a form of approval. I did not vote for GW  i find him to be weak on social issues.  ( weak  meaning caving to  reelection) I can see the Commander and Chief he is to the troops  a great job in that line!  I voted for Allen Keyes in the last 2 presidential elections as a write in because of his pro life stance.  

Let me ask you, Reba.  Do you feel it wrong to vote for someone who has noooooo chance of winning (ie. Allan Keyes)?  It's almost a vote for Gore, isn't it.  Just like the Democrats said a vote for the weird green party guy was a vote for Bush.

MR. 5020,

When the choices were Billy and Bob Dole, we all 'knew' billy was goining to win, at that election the choice was not an interal battle. I did battle with myself at GW  v. gore. I felt Bush was weak on the social issues ( my 'feelings' are correct) I am not a rebuplician i am conservitive. Had  GW lost by one vote i would have just died  :P The hard line i will not cross is the one of abortion.

Thank you for your response.  It was a closed-ended question, so no response is necessary...just thanks.

I firmly believe, and hope, that George Bush is re-elected.
I agree with what was said about Mrs. Clinton hoping Bush will win. She would have a hard time in 2008 if A Dem. wins in 2004. And I believe she only cares about getting power, not about the people or the country.
I agree about the abortion issue being vital, but there are so many others also. Like the gay agenda.
I have felt that God was giving America one more chance to get it's house in order, and so He allowed George Bush to become president. He is a devout Christian; against abortion; and against the gay agenda, etc. Much he cannot speak publicly, because to do so would end any chance at re-election, but at least he professes Jesus as his Savior, and tries to accomplish as much as any one man can.
But I fear for this country, because the forces of evil, for so long now, have been slowly making progress, and I am not sure it can be changed at this point. I know Israel had nationwide repentance in it's history, but this country has become so secularized that I don't see it happening.
I pray I am wrong, but I think that if this nation does not repent, and turn back to God, then He will judge us as He did Israel when she would not repent.
Sorry, there I go again making a short answer long.
Love in Christ. Roy.

Gary Coleman!

Seriously I like what Reba has said.
Everyone who becomes a ruler is such because God has put him there.
I don’t believe we should criticize Gods selection.
That does not mean that we shouldn’t do everything possible to remove truly wicked people.
Bill Clinton, George Bush, neither one is all that great. Both are interested in the power and the profit of the position.
Both have flaws, both have strengths, both were put there by God.

By the way, did any of you know that the Bush administration contaced Jack Van Impy about the end times?

OH NO!
This is one guy that interprets scripture out of his own mind.
One time I heard him say that the locusts in Revelation were Huey (I don't think I spelled that right) Helicopters because John didn't understand Gods vision since helicopters hadn't been invented.  

Actually i respect him for it. I think he sees how big the events in the Middle east are, what they represent, and is trying to figure out how to deal with it. The presidents who dismiss prophecy, thinking they can save the world from God's plan are who scare me. Bush is open-minded enough to not discard the bible and for that, I applaud him.

[glod=red,2,300]GO GW!!![/glow]

Leftcoast,

  did ya happen to catch Haggee talken about how many million of years it took GOD to create the pass at Petra? That is off topic, Back to  presidents  or  close. Who will be my governor?  Will California go from  really bad to badder? It cant it cant  :'(

I am personally hoping for Howard Dean, but I fear it will be GW.  Just out of curiosity, what issues make some of you support GW?  I have seen a few, but not much in light of all the complaints about him.

Someguy,

Some of this you might not appreciate, but you asked. My wife and I will vote for George Bush for numerous reasons.

He is a Christian and prays for guidance from Almighty God.

His morals are high and he is a good role model for the young people of America.

He has taken the terrorist problem head-on and is taking the fight to the terrorists instead of letting them wage their kind of war among our innocents.

I think that he's been hit with more problems at once than any President since World War II. I think he's done an outstanding job and most of the complaints are simply politics. I'm not saying he hasn't made any mistakes.

You have stated, someguy, that your purpose in being here is to debate. So I'm not going to answer that question because you're just waiting to contest it. That would definitely be throwing pearls out to be trampled on.

blackeyedpeas,  

Supprise !  I tend to agree with you!

Concerning the first two points. So is the Pope, so is Benny Hinn. I wouldn't vote for either one.
Concerning the last point, that’s a stretch.
He has been hit with one of the greatest problems, but not the most.
Taking so many huge vacations makes me question his "outstanding" job.
I don't agree with much of Bill C.s life, but he was a workaholic.
“outstanding job” I don’t think so. He did have good military men around him. And the military decisions were good. I believe evil leaders with total control like Hitler, Pol Pot, Edi Amin, or Sodumb Insane, need to be removed.
But I believe the main reason young George went in to Iraq was that not getting Saddam out because he was bad. But rather it was one of old Georges biggest embarrassments.
The advisors that GB surrounded himself with were the advisors that wanted his dad to get SH during Desert Storm.
Beating Saddam would be like me taking on a 5 year old one on one in basketball. I might be 51 but I still could beat the kid 10 to 0. Much more than that and I would run out of steam. :)
After we “won” we had no plan. If he wanted to be outstanding he should have had a plan.
Economically he is one big screw up.
Maybe living in Oregon, with our consistently high unemployment, has tainted my viewpoint. But the even the man himself recognizes his tax cuts were a mistake. We had a surplus, now we’re in the hole.
It is always politics.
Does sexual immorality make some one a bad president? I don’t think so, I think Jefferson was a good president, Roosevelt slept with his secretary in the Whitehouse, Eleanor was a lesbian. The list goes on and on. We don’t elect sinless people.
How about honesty, was BC honest, no. Is GB honest, no. Was Regan-Bush honest, no. Think Iran Contra. When R-B wanted to drill for oil off the coast Bush claimed being an oil man had nothing to do with his decision, all his holdings were in trust. I was in California, I saw some flowers near the beach I wanted to take a picture of. As I walked by an oil well The sign on it said, “operated by _______ for Bush oil company.” Was Gore honest, NO!!!!!!!!!!! That is why I felt Bush was a better candidate.
It is always politics, the guys that run for president have to have a certain personality trait, a craving for power. That is why the only president in my lifetime I really liked was Ford. He just found himself as president, because both the Republican President and Vice President were criminals.
It is amazing how many people I’ve heard claim it is because Bush is a Christian, and then tear apart Jimmy Carter.
I believe Bush is president because God wanted him there, think hanging chad.
I hate to think what would have happened on 9/11 if Gore had been president. Do I think Bush is a good president, no, just the best that was available.

Bill Clinton ws a workaholic because he wanted a good reputation. Clinton agreed with whatever position comprised the majority, so that the majority would like him. I think George W. Bush truly wants what's best for his country, EVEN if he is unpopular for it. I think Tony Blair is the same way. I don't always agree with Bush's decisions but i respect him for them.

 Is there any country in history who has been taxed into prosperity?

I don't know their hearts or their thoughts or their motives I was out of line to say As Christians shouldn't we be a little cautious about claiming we know what is in someone’s mind?
I’m a little embarrassed. I barely know my own mind sometimes. And sometimes my actions don’t reflect my intentions.

I certainly don't know what's in someone else's mind, but we all do have opinions. These are, of course, my opinions on what people's motives are. That's how we discern if someone is coming from the spirit or the devil. That's how we decide on who to trust or not. We can all be decieved, but i think people's actions speak for themselves. I trust someone who puts his reputation in danger for something he believes. The tyrants of the world had to "Hush" up the people who didn't agree with them. Bush not only allowed it, he welcomed it because of his esteem for democracy. That takes tremendous courage that I know i don't have.

Left coast,

  :)

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself"  ***

***Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1932-1945

    Gen. Clark is a Clinton stooge, and he knows it. His real goal is vice president. The Clintons don't want a demacrate to win in 04 unless its Hillary.

   Right now the unelectable Dean is their front runner which make the Clintons happy, for Hillary to run in 08.

   But wait! Bush is slipping in the polls and could possibly be beat by the "RIGHT" candidate (Hillary). Bill and Hillary don't want Clark to win, just to run until Hillary comes in to save the Dems from Dean and a sure loss. Clark will jump on Her ticket to lure those in the military and others who are leary of Hillary. Theres no way Clinton wants Clark to win because that puts Hillary out intil 2012. Hillary will enter if Bush can be beat, otherwise she'll sit out until 08 but I think the Clintons are going to come to save the day for the Dems.

    I fear Hillary Clinton and Clark is a useful idiot stooge for playing along! Dean's a wacko, Kerry things he's JFK but he's boring, Leiberman's playing to the left and it doesn't suit who he is, Here comes Hillary or Gore to save the day but Gore won't cause he could beat Bush and that forces Hillary to run so why should Gore bother.

    The Clintons' are clever and sneaky alright, they want to sneak right back into the white house. Maybe they'd bring back some of the things the stole from the white house.

Bush will win; 'cuz he's going start or 'spawn' a war. ( this thread is ooold ! )

’Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus,

And to take Him at His Word;

Just to rest upon His promise,

And to know, “Thus says the Lord!”




 :P

So is the bible.

BEP, actually I appreciate your honesty on this question.  I've found many Christians that claim GW is a great president but never give any reason and won't admit that it is simply because he is Christian.  If thats how you feel, you are entitled to vote that way.  However, I would have to disagree with some of your statements about him doing an outstanding job considering and that he has dealt with terrorism well.

Left Coast, I agree with the long post you made and respect you for saying that just because a president is Christian, doesn't make him a good president.

Heidi, if you think that Bush truly wants what is best for his country then why has he had such a horrible environmental policy?  You trust someone that puts their reputation in danger for their belief?  You might want to change that to you trust someone that puts their reputation in danger for their Christian belief.  Yes, Heidi, I am here to debate/converse/discuss or whatever you want to call it.  It just happens that I agree with almost nothing that you have said, so obviously I am going to argue.  If you aren't willing to support your argument, you might want to stop making claims.

Maybe prosperity would return. Stocks showing a high return etc., etc.     ;D