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Mick, it is clear you don't watch sports to much. There is on such thing as an "unbiased referee" ;)

Perhaps my outsider perspective will give a new angle of looking at the dispute?
Same goes for anybody else who's been argued with,let me be an unbiased referee!

For example I notice some of you are ganging up on Michael Legna

haha!

So, Mick, are you fair and unbiased, or do you disagree with the Catholic Church? ;D lol j/k

Well I'm non-denom myself,but from what i see of the Catholic Church,it seems to divert itself too much from Jesus by praying to his human mum and assorted human "saints" instead,so surely anything that diverts us from Jesus cannot be good can it?

And isn't it technically blasphemous to pray to humans?

Instead,we should focus on JESUS and nobody else:-"Let us fix our eyes on JESUS,the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2)
After all,Jesus said :- "Ask anything in MY name and I'll do it" (John 14:14)

You said:

You see,my "denomination" is the Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF:)

(PS:-Petro,as usual i look at the shotgun spread of different versions and try to use a reasonable centre of gravity to quote contexturally in modern english,it seems the logical way)

Speaking of Judgment Day,Jesus said :- "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32)

So if he WAS God,why would he say that?

Speaking of Judgment Day,Jesus said :- "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32)

So if he WAS God,why would he say that?

But why do we need different denominations anyway?
I belong to none,hence i'm free of the shackles they impose on people by way of ritual,ceremony and rigid doctrines.


Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Do not go to services as you put it because of rituals,ect-or
is it because the minister points out this thing call sin? We do
not impose anything on anyone, we simply exhort people to
obey the will of God, and follow the teachings of Messiah.
"rigid doctrine."----Indeed we have a rigid doctrine: it is based
upon the words of Jesus, who summed up to laws written by
the hand YHVH in two rigid doctrines.
 1)Love God with your whole heart, mind soul, body, and will
 2)love your neighbor as you do yourself
these are surely some terrible and rigid requirements, and are
much too difficult to follow!


I think denoms appeal to people because they do their thinking and teaching for them,and give them a sense of security through belonging to a group.

That has got to be the most assinine thing you have had the
audacity to say so far!!!!!deamons rely upon the baser
aspects of humanity, and use them to manipulate both those
they possess, and those around them..
The scriptures say that the thief(satan) cometh to rob, kill,
and destroy;but I(Jesus) have come to give you life and that
more abundantly.

Nothing wrong with that of course as long as the denom doesn't corrupt the Word,but sadly many DO,and millions are wrongly led up the spout!

So long as the deamon doesn't corupt the word??? but sadly
many do!!   DUH


Personally i prefer to be free to think for myself and it feels great!
I simply try to follow the young carpenter from Nazareth,just as he instructed:-"You have ONE teacher, the Christ" (Matt 23:10)

I have no idea what perversion of the scriptures you are
misusing, but here is what Matt 23:10 says:
Mat 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
Mat 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
To catch the full intent of this verse you need to read the
whole chapter, but I will summarize briefly.  Jesus told us not
to look for recognition, or positions of honor before men.


And he's simplicity itself to understand:-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12 :37)
the above is another example of how you attempt to pervert
the scriptures: let us see what the whole of mark 12:37 in
context has to say:
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mar 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Mar 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mar 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

And I need no denom or clergy to mediate for me:-
"There is ONE mediator between God and men,- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5)

You see,my "denomination" is the Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF:)

(PS:-Petro,as usual i look at the shotgun spread of different versions and try to use a reasonable centre of gravity to quote contexturally in modern english,it seems the logical way)

mick,

Look, you didn't hatch from an egg, you were born and are a product of your father and mother.

As a son you never new the appointed time when your father would decide to come nor go someplace from home, and for you claim that Jesus needs to know, the whole of His fathers work throughout eternity, is nonsense.

Jesus is fully God, while fully a man, As God He possessed Gods Spirit, the bible is clear about this, as a man He possessed all of the attributes of man, He wasn't born into this earth knowing everything, in order to be fully representative of men, he needed to possess all of there attributes including their limitations, we can see this clearly as we study scriptures, ask yourself did Jesus sleep at night, did he get tired as normal men do, the bible says he did, look at Jhn 4:6 tells us Jesus was tired after the journey and sat on the well at about the sixth hour, He was wore out from the journey.  Did He cry, the bible says He cried at according to the shortest verse in the bible, Jhn 11:35.

Did He fear and show anxiety, the scriptures describe His last night prior to His crucifixion at Luke 22:39-44, that he sweated as it were great drops of blood, such was His agony , being strengthened by and Angel.

And of course we read at Mathew 27:50,

"Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."


In simple english, this means He died.

So the scriptures tells us;

Lk 24
46  Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Phil 2
6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Note verse 11, clearly it says at this verse, "Jesus Christ is Jehovah" to the glory of God the father.

So mick, ole buddy;  It is not important that you believe the trinity to get yourself saved, but if God grants you repentance and saves you (which He desires to do), you will believe the teaching of GODS WORD.



Blessings,
Petro

But why do we need different denominations anyway?
I belong to none,hence i'm free of the shackles they impose on people by way of ritual,ceremony and rigid doctrines.

I think denoms appeal to people because they do their thinking and teaching for them,and give them a sense of security through belonging to a group.

Nothing wrong with that of course as long as the denom doesn't corrupt the Word,but sadly many DO,and millions are wrongly led up the spout!

And I need no denom or clergy to mediate for me:-
"There is ONE mediator between God and men,- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5)

For example,let's assume he WAS God.This means that according to your reasoning he was lying when the Chief Priest asked him "Are you the Son of God?",and he replied "I am". (Mark 14:62)

Dude - you just don't understand the Holy Trinity.

As for common sense?  I will let that slide.

Am i the only one to talk straight in this forum? How can i answer some of you if i can't even tell what you're talking about in your long over-complex convoluted posts or your short one-liners that make no sense to anyone except yourselves?
Please listen to Paul:-
"I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)

For example,let's assume he WAS God.This means that according to your reasoning he was lying when the Chief Priest asked him "Are you the Son of God?",and he replied "I am". (Mark 14:62)