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Title: Poll Question
Post by: shardae on February 16, 2009, 08:50:27 PM
My question to you is can someone that is homosexual really be a Christian?


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 16, 2009, 10:09:46 PM
Sin, no matter what it is, is a stumbling block for us and will keep us from having a right relationship with Jesus. Any sinner (and we are all sinners) can become a Christian however once we become a Christian our desire is to follow Jesus putting Him first and to turn away from all sin. This includes homosexuality.



Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: HisDaughter on February 17, 2009, 11:00:43 AM
Sin, no matter what it is, is a stumbling block for us and will keep us from having a right relationship with Jesus. Any sinner (and we are all sinners) can become a Christian however once we become a Christian our desire is to follow Jesus putting Him first and to turn away from all sin. This includes homosexuality.



I absolutely agree Pastor Roger.  There are many women that come to the misson where I work that are homosexual.  However if they stay long enough to accept Christ, which is our hope, they turn away from their old life style.  Many of them will seek counseling also to help them if they are struggling.  Others, the transformation is instant.  The point is, that they seek and want to please the Lord once they have accepted Him.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Jon-Marc on February 17, 2009, 11:31:28 PM
No Christian can be active in ANY sin without being convicted by the Holy Spirit and feeling miserable. If someone says they are happy while living in sin, then that person is NOT saved. If I sin or even think about sinning, I am convicted and have to confess it to God. I am miserable until I do.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Shammu on February 18, 2009, 08:44:32 AM
My question to you is can someone that is homosexual really be a Christian?

Pastor Roger, and the others are 100% correct.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: shardae on February 18, 2009, 09:01:11 PM
Sin hinders our relationship to Christ no matter what the sin is. The reason I brought up this question was because I have a friend named Robert and he is gay. About three months ago, he started reading the Bible and a month later he claims he is saved. Although he has read that homosexuality is a sin... he continues to say he was born that way and he can't stray away from it. I told him he should know that's not true because all things are possible through Christ. So I just ask for any advice on this situation that I can tell him.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 18, 2009, 10:13:27 PM
I was born that way does not make an excuse for sinning. We are all born into sin, that does not mean that we have a blank check written that we can continue in it. If that were the case then everyone would have the excuse to do all sorts of sins and this is not the case.

Irregardless of what some people have pounded into others heads homosexuality is a choice just as murder or any other sin is. Yes, we may struggle with the temptation of those sins but we are not tied down to them.

Those that are convinced that homosexuality is inherent and therefore inescapable are in fact not putting their trust and faith in God.

If we truly believe on Jesus Christ then we know that the things that are impossible for men are possible with God.

Again it is unfortunate that many are fooled into believing otherwise. They have closed their eyes and ears to Him because they enjoy the life of sin that they are in and refuse to give up. The best thing to do for this person is to tell them the truth and to pray for them.



Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Jon-Marc on February 18, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
Sin hinders our relationship to Christ no matter what the sin is. The reason I brought up this question was because I have a friend named Robert and he is gay. About three months ago, he started reading the Bible and a month later he claims he is saved. Although he has read that homosexuality is a sin... he continues to say he was born that way and he can't stray away from it. I told him he should know that's not true because all things are possible through Christ. So I just ask for any advice on this situation that I can tell him.

He apparently hasn't read 2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore if any man (or woman) be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold all things are become new." That means we give up the old life, the sinful desires (including ALL sexual sin), and we desire to live a new life for Christ. If that desire isn't there, then he has never really been born again. All he's done is "get religion".


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: HisDaughter on February 19, 2009, 10:48:11 AM
I was born that way does not make an excuse for sinning. We are all born into sin, that does not mean that we have a blank check written that we can continue in it. If that were the case then everyone would have the excuse to do all sorts of sins and this is not the case.

Irregardless of what some people have pounded into others heads homosexuality is a choice just as murder or any other sin is. Yes, we may struggle with the temptation of those sins but we are not tied down to them.

Those that are convinced that homosexuality is inherent and therefore inescapable are in fact not putting their trust and faith in God.

If we truly believe on Jesus Christ then we know that the things that are impossible for men are possible with God.

Again it is unfortunate that many are fooled into believing otherwise. They have closed their eyes and ears to Him because they enjoy the life of sin that they are in and refuse to give up. The best thing to do for this person is to tell them the truth and to pray for them.



AMEN


He apparently hasn't read 2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore if any man (or woman) be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold all things are become new." That means we give up the old life, the sinful desires (including ALL sexual sin), and we desire to live a new life for Christ. If that desire isn't there, then he has never really been born again. All he's done is "get religion".

AND AMEN.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Brother Jerry on February 19, 2009, 11:23:24 AM
AMEN on both of them.




Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: nChrist on February 19, 2009, 12:20:45 PM
ANOTHER AMEN!

GOD'S GOOD NEWS is still the most powerful and precious MESSAGE on the face of the earth!


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: David_james on February 19, 2009, 12:43:17 PM
Can a theif or a murderer or a adulterer or a rapist be a devote Christian? Whatever the answer, it is same answer if a homosexual can be a devote Christian.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: ibTina on February 21, 2009, 01:03:19 PM
 
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Question: Can a homosexual be a devote Christian? 


I think the question should be: Can a devote homosexual be a Christian?....  Answer NO!


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: Shammu on February 22, 2009, 02:15:07 AM
 

I think the question should be: Can a devote homosexual be a Christian?....  Answer NO!


AMEN!!

Welcome back sister, it's been a while.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: shardae on February 25, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
 

I think the question should be: Can a devote homosexual be a Christian?....  Answer NO!

Nice to meet you. I want to know why is it you feel this way? Can you explain your answer?


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: nChrist on February 25, 2009, 08:39:17 PM
Nice to meet you. I want to know why is it you feel this way? Can you explain your answer?

Hello Shardae,

I realize this question is directed to someone else, but the vast majority of Christians will answer the question the same way. One can't serve two masters - one must choose either the devil or GOD. The question changes when one is a FORMER homosexual. There is no forgiveness or atonement for something that one is determined to continue. SIN is their GOD - thus their master is the devil and continues to be the devil. The rest of the answer is there's no salvation either. This is not a debatable issue among Christians - just the "Political Correctness" crowd. Bluntly, a practicing homosexual loves sin to the extent that there is no room for JESUS CHRIST, and there is no desire to be rescued from the curse of sin and death. There must be a choice.

I have no intention of debating this subject because it's a closed issue and already settled by GOD. Finally, this is a sexually oriented question that's already received all of the attention it's going to get on a Christian Family forum. I've given you some Scripture from the New Testament. The Old Testament requires stoning to death.

Love In Christ,
Tom

HOMOSEXUALITY - THE ABOMINATION IN GOD'S EYES

SAMPLES FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT - AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION

Romans 1:22-28 ASV  22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,  23  and changed the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.  24  Wherefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts unto uncleanness, that their bodies should be dishonored among themselves:  25  for that they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.  26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:  27  and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.  28  And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;


1 Corinthians 6:9 ASV  6  Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

Ephesians 4:18-19 ASV  18  being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their heart;  19  who being past feeling gave themselves up to lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

Ephesians 5:11-12 ASV  11  and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather even reprove them;  12  for the things which are done by them in secret it is a shame even to speak of.

1 Timothy 1:9-10 ASV  as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,  10  for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

Jude 1:6-10 ASV  And angels that kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation, he hath kept in everlasting bonds under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.  7  Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.  8  Yet in like manner these also in their dreamings defile the flesh, and set at nought dominion, and rail at dignities.  9  But Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing judgment, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.  10  But these rail at whatsoever things they know not: and what they understand naturally, like the creatures without reason, in these things are they destroyed.


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: David_james on February 26, 2009, 05:42:45 AM
Amen Brother!


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: ibTina on March 01, 2009, 09:59:44 AM
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One can't serve two masters - one must choose either the devil or GOD. The question changes when one is a FORMER homosexual. There is no forgiveness or atonement for something that one is determined to continue. SIN is their GOD - thus their master is the devil and continues to be the devil.


BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!

In a nutshell... 


Title: Re: Poll Question
Post by: JCISGD on March 05, 2009, 09:34:08 PM
 ;D i think the pots got enough left for atleast one more stir ?

Can a Satanist be a Christian? obviously not !!. Likewise what ever you call yourself, that is what you are.

Likewise if i call myself a Mormon,JW,RCC etc.

Caution: to Christians who label themselves by a denomination rather than as Christ`. Mostly i have been involved in the Apostolic denomination, but i have never been an Apostolic. Get my drift ?