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A Brit TV channel ran a week-long series of half-hour science shows last week featuring an assortment of scientists,astronomers and evolutionists etc who attempted to answer "The Great Mysteries of the Universe",and although the shows came up with no answers whatsoever,they were interesting to see just how spiritually shallow many of the academics were.
One programme was hosted by evolutionist Dr. Richard Dawkins who promised at the start to "answer the question of the purpose of life" Wow!
After a half-hour of his usual waffling,he concluded that "the purpose of human existence is simply to pass on our genes to future generations"
I'm speechless!!! What a sickeningly spiritually-bankrupt thing to say,typical of the shallow hell-bound mindset of him and his kind!
As we all know,the purpose of life is to SPIRITUALLY evolve, (Jesus said - "The work God requires is to believe in the one he has sent" (John 6:28)
so that at the point of death we are "locked on" to Jesus and our souls automatically home in on him like heat-seeking missiles,while the un-locked souls of Dawkins and his colleagues "go stupid" (in military parlance) and fly off into the void. "Ungodly men for whom the blackness of darkness is reserved forever" (Jude 1:4-19)

They accuse us of keeping with ancient cave man simple mindless by believe God made the world. The fact is, they are just as guilty as we are. It isn’t that the pagan cavemen invented Gods and spirits to explain the universe, it is that they came up with all kinds of theory on how things happen, and followed the most logical. No since of  style or class. No artistry or emotion. These guys are nothing more then apes in lab coats. Grunts for the cause of the anti-Truth. ::)

Yes Tibby,I lurv your "apes in lab coats" description of them:)
Another indication of their mentality is that they're fond of saying mankind had to invent his gods out of fear and superstition,and while this is certainly true of half-baked pagan cults,no way did Christians have to invent OUR God,because HE came to US in solid flesh-and-blood form through his son!
By the way,Dawkins is a self-confessed atheist,which comes as no surprise,as I had him pegged for one long before,when I first saw him on TV,and his whole demeanour and appearance screamed "atheist":-the dead eyes,fretful manner,shifty body language and underlying fear typical of all atheists.

Yes. Dare I say it, mankind made their Theories out of fear OF superstition. Fear that humans are not in complete control. These people says Christians are weak-minded. I ask, make them follow the Christian moral Code for a week, see who is "weak"! They are to blind to see that everything they do and believe can be likened to those myths of the Pagans. They take what they know, and concocted a story about why.

As a side note, I don't believe fear and superstition are what cause Pagans to make their own religion. I think they simply have the desire for the Spirit of God, but lack the knowledge to fully act on this desire.

Oklahoma Howdy to Tibby,


 ;D  WOW!, this is great. Can I use it from time to time if I mention your name, or is a royalty payment required for each use?   ;D

In Christ,
Tom

Actually, you can't use it at all, it is the title of my new book ;D

Oklahoma Howdy to Tibby,

 ;D  Brother, you need a manager and promoter. I'll give you a brother-in-law deal on my fees.

In Christ,
Tom

Incidentally,I'm not sneakily saying stuff about Dawkins behind his back,as I've already told him in a brief correspondence I had with him a couple of years ago.It was like talking to a brick wall,i couldn't get through to him,and he even threw a few personal insults at me and Christians in general.I've rarely come across anyone as narrow-minded and blinkered as him. Perhaps his years of over-intensive university study let the demons take hold of him. Below is an article i wrote about such demonic footholds:-
"About 25 years ago when I was in my mid-twenties,I was alone in the house one Saturday afternoon while the rest of the family had gone shopping in town,and I amused myself by going up to my room to carry on building a plastic model sailing ship.After a few hours,I heard the family's voices down in the street as they returned,and I heard them unlatch the front gate,and I heard the key going into the front door,and I heard their footsteps and voices in the hallway.
Then it all went quiet.
After a few minutes,I went down to greet them but the house was empty,so I could only assume they'd all slipped back out to go off somewhere again.
Later,they all arrived back for real this time,and I asked my mum if they'd been back earlier,but she said no,so I recounted the "false arrival" experience to her and she was as puzzled as I was!
A few years later I happened to read in a paranormal book that FA's are a fairly common phenomena,and I was thrilled and fascinated to know I'd experienced one.
In fact,some time later,Brit TV broadcast a paranormal show that featured FA's,and one guy said he was working late on the company accounts in the disused control tower on an old airfield his firm was renting,when he heard footsteps plodding up the stone stairs and stop outside the door."Well come on in then!" he called out,but nobody did,and when he went and opened the door,nobody was there!
My experience and his have two things in common:-our minds were fully occupied in concentrating on what we were doing,me on that fiddly model ship,and his on his firms paperwork.
Okay here's my theory:- We're all born with a "psychic shield" around our brains to keep paranormal manifestations out.But if we're deep in concentration on something,power is diverted from that shield and it becomes weaker,allowing assorted psychic phenomena, spooks and dare I say it -demons-to penetrate our minds?
Worst case scenarios are students who kill themselves after heavy studying for exams.Who knows what demons have got into their skulls through weakened shields?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities,against powers,against the rulers of darkness.."(Eph 6:12)
against which we must "Put on the full armour of God" (Eph 6:11-18)"
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P.S.:-Thats why I've controversially said on this board and elsewhere that too much intensive Bible Study can be bad for us too.I'd even go so far as to say that anyone who advocates relentless intensive repeated reading of the Bible from cover to cover without a break is satanic.See how slyly Satan operates?

 :'( P.S.:-Thats why I've controversially said on this board and elsewhere that too much intensive Bible Study can be bad for us too.I'd even go so far as to say that anyone who advocates relentless intensive repeated reading of the Bible from cover to cover without a break is satanic.See how slyly Satan operates?
 
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Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Are you insane, or demonic? We study the word of God to
learn about him, and to learn his desire for our lives!
  "that too much intensive Bible Study can be bad for us"
  " anyone who advocates relentless intensive repeated reading of the Bible from cover to cover without a break is satanic."

Am I to understand then that you only read your bible when it
is convienient for you? That you only study God's word if you
feel like it? Or is it more along the lines of I've read it once,
the words will still be be same, so why read it again?

I have been studying the word of God for over 25 years, and
I feel that I have just scratched the surface of it's treasures.
The more that I study, the more I delve into it's depths, the
more I find that I need to learn.
Learning is a life time process; if you stop learning you are a
dead man, walking around maybe, but still dead! If my short
time here on earth is a continual learning process, how much
more so my eternal life is also a continual learning process!

I do not know about the rest of the believers here at CU; but
I personally am tired of want - to - be christians who are :
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

You seem to have spent some time learning about Jesus, don't
you think it is time you come to know him in his fulness?

Praying for you in earnest

Rev. Joseph E. Barnhouse Sr.

Oklahoma Howdy to Mick,


Mick, I would have to say this is a very silly statement. I would also have to say that Satan loves to find ways to keep people from studying their Bibles. That would be the opposite of what your statement says. Without Bible Study, one can only hope for either a very shallow understanding of the Bible or an incorrect understanding of the Bible. An incorrect understanding is the most prominent outcome. In fact, a silly understanding of the Bible would probably be the most accurate description.

The Holy Bible is God's Word. Looking at it with the covers closed simply makes it a dust collector or paper-weight, and it makes the owner ignorant of the real beauty and truth of the contents. A Christian studies the Holy Bible with joy and zeal because Christ is the center and core of a Christian's life. A Christian finds peace, joy, guidance, wisdom, and understanding in those Holy Pages.

Mick, I would have to ask if Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour. Christians study the Holy Bible in joy, not a matter of labor. If you lack that joy in studying the Holy Bible, you are probably not saved. If Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour, it is only natural to have joy in finding out HIS TRUTH and understanding everything you can IN HIS HOLY WORD.

Mick, the Holy Bible is not like a newspaper that you throw away after skimming it once. It is time to ask yourself if you are SAVED AND BORN AGAIN. It's really quite hard to know if you are saved without studying the Holy Bible. If you are saved, your failure to study would leave you as a weak and crippled Christian without the power and knowledge of HIS WORD. If you don't know, and you probably don't, many people here will be glad to help you, including me.

Mick, I spoke the truth in love. You may not see it that way, but it's time for you to wake up. It is a wonderful feeling to know beyond any doubt that you are SAVED AND BORN AGAIN.

Love In Christ,
Tom

I can only repeat what I've said elsewhere in this forum:- People in Christian chatrooms who i've helped to find Jesus tell me they wished they'd met a Christian like me years ago!
They like my strong,direct bright and breezy simple style,unlike the cobwebby way others have mis-represented Jesus to people for centuries!

However,I notice some in this forum have childishly called me insane,demonic,silly etc,and have twisted out of context what i said, tut-tut!

To my critics,I therefore say this:- Please ask yourself if Satan is using you like ventriloquists dummies to attack me and turn others in the forum against me?

 Sorry,I never argue or engage in childish name-calling,I just go my own sweet way regardless,and people are welcome to come along for the ride or get left behind!

Oklahoma Howdy to Mick,


It really doesn't matter how many times you say something, it doesn't make it true. I, as an individual, would prefer that you not witness for Christ if you are going to tell them that Jesus Christ isn't God and don't study your Bible. If you tell people what you've said here, you are simply telling fairy tales.

Again, I said this in Christian Love. Mick, it's time to wake up.

Love In Christ,
Tom

thank you Tom for saying so clearly what I have been trying
ineptly to say.

respectfully yours in Yeshua

ravenloche

Oklahoma Howdy to Ravenloche,

Brother, you are most welcome. Jesus Christ being God and our exhortation to study to be approved workmen are precious topics for every Christian. Those who deny that Jesus Christ is THE LORD, VERY GOD, and tell us not to study HIS WORD are not working for our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Brother, I also wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your posts.

Love In Christ,
Tom

I believe earlier you mentioned that Dawkins said that the purpose of life is to pass on our geans to the next generation. You seemed to be completely opposed to this idea.  i think it actually seems pretty reasonable.  think about when you become nervous or scared.  you begin to sweat, the hair on the back of your neck may rise, other things.  these are built in reactions that are ment to cuase you to get away from what is endangering you.  they are uncontrollable feelings that help you survive to carry on your species.  i dont see why you would call some of the most learned and educated people "apes in labcoats"  

Hello from the UK. Is it OK for a "Brit" (actually a Scot to be precise) to join in?
I will declare an interest right at the outset: I am a scientist and a theologian i.e. hold research degree in both fields, which just means I realise how much there is to now, and how little of it I know! However, I hope I would not be described as an ape in a lab coat. Such a derogatory description would not have been made by Jesus.

Prof. Dawkins was appointed to a post which had the purpose of popularising science - quite a good idea - but apparently also the hidden agenda of promoting atheism. In other words science had been subsumed under the umbrella of atheistic philosophy. This is entirely false, and easily demonstrated to be so by referring to the history of science, where a good number of great scientists were also Christians , and to the many scientist theologians today, of whom I am a minor member.

My field is cosmogony - the study of that part of cosmology dealing with the origin of the Universe. Prof. Dawkins would begin his philosophical reasoning with the premise: "In the beginning, nothing." Christian scientist theologians take the starting point to be, "In the beginning God." Which foundation provides a more reasonable origin for the laws of physics, the genetic code, all information, all intelligence, beauty, love, life itself?

So let's not insult our fellow human beings, made in the image of God, but confidently, gently and respectfully, lead them forward into a greater understanding of reality, and a better Way.

What'd you guys do with the Evolution/Creation forum?

That was the only reason I came here.

Good advise Dr. McKenzie - I've enjoyed your other posts - the "marriage” of science and spirituality is a great subject and I would enjoy a dedicated thread on the topic.  Your postings concerning Mars made me think (no small feat).

Take the hint, neo

Oklahoma Howdy to Neo,

I see this is your first post on Christians Unite, so let me welcome you.


The Theory of Evolution is against the teachings of the Holy Bible, so this topic was removed from the forum. We don't discuss that topic here. However, there are many other interesting topics we hope you will enjoy.

In Christ,
Tom

Dear JudgeNot and Tom
Of course I am happy with the suggestion that we help one another to use scientific topics to gain access for the Gospel. Indeed that was my motive for posting the little note about Mars on the E-T Life on Mars board! Maybe that site can be broadened to one which helps us all to think positively about scientific topics, and give insights into what sort of contribution the Christian mind can make in these live hot topical discussions. We need to be prepared, so weknow what we can usefully say. I really love what Peter says aout exactly this in 1Pet.1:13.

I agree with Tom's sentiment that we need to avoid the temptation to set up yet another debating site for evolution/creation as this particular battle is like a shark fighting a tiger - each has its proper domain. My own position is that we should focus any discussion of this on the ground of agreement e.g. variation within species and adaptation to environment, which are both so well supported with observations that there can be no rational disagreement. Then we can contribute our view that both these show good design by an intelligent Designer, rather than simply being part of a random process.

However we should always seek to give a good account of our faith, showing others that we have an active and well-informed mind which supports our faith. Simply declaring that something cannot be right because it's anti-scriptural is OK for those of us "on the inside", but doesn't cut much ice or gain us a hearing from those "on the outside" whom we are seeking to win for Jesus. What I hope we can do is help one another in this forum to be able to give good reasons for our hope, but with "gentleness and respect" 1Peter 3:15.

What do you think?

Oklahoma Howdy to Dr.N.L.McKenzie,

We've been there, done that, have the tee-shirt, and still have wounds healing from such topics as evolution and alternative lifestyles. It turned out to be nothing but a pulpit for the devil.

ADMIN owns all of the equipment for Christians Unite and pays all of the bills. His ultimate goal is to have Christians Unite a Christian Family Forum, safe for the entire family, including children. If you look at the forum rules, they are designed for this purpose and goal. We also don't discuss normal sex, nor do we allow the defense or promotion of so-called other religions.

In short, this is a place for Christian Fellowship and discussion. Some of the discussions are hot enough without the worldly topics. In fact, some of them are too hot. The lost coming here get all of the help they can stand.

Pointing the lost to Christ and the edification of God's children are much more important to us. Biblical topics are almost endless, and I think that most of us are trying to share them in Christian love and fellowship as our primary cause of coming here. Prayer, encouragement, and a host of other Christian functions give many of us a joyous place to come and partake of the things of God with the evils of this world hopefully minimized or shut out.

Love In Christ,
Tom