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Biden: Be patriotic, pay more taxes
Democratic candidate says it's 'time to help get America out of the rut'

Joe Biden often says on the campaign trail that wealthy Americans who’ll have more taxes to pay under an Obama-Biden administration should pony up out of a sense of patriotism.

As early as September 3rd, the Delaware Senator asked a voter to tell folks making over $250,000 a year, “it’s time to be patriotic.” Those remarks made the blogs, but largely went under the radar.

Biden repeated the argument on ABC News this morning, telling Kate Snow “It’s time to be patriotic, Kate. Time to jump in. Time to be part of the deal. Time to help get America out of the rut. And the way to do that is, they’re still going to pay less taxes than they did under Reagan.”

But this time, his comments were picked up by major news outlets - and his GOP rivals.

At a rally in Cedar Rapids, Sarah Palin told the crowd “our opponents, they have some strange ideas about raising taxes. To them, raising taxes - and Joe Biden said it again today — raising taxes is about patriotism.” That line brought a chorus of boos.

“To the rest of America, that’s not patriotism, raising taxes. It is about killing jobs and hurting small business and making things worse,” she continued. “This isn’t about anyone’s patriotism, it’s about Barack Obama’s poor judgment.”

“He wants to raise taxes by hundreds of billions of dollars. And at a time like this, that will make today’s bad economy seem like the good old days.”

UPDATE: Biden addressed the criticism at his event in Akron, OH. “John McCain’s making fun of the fact that I said paying taxes is patriotic,” he said. “What I said was, when a woman asked me, what do I tell people making over $250,000 a year that their taxes are going to go back to where they were with Reagan, which is a lot lower – lower than they were at Reagan. What do I tell them? I said tell them it’s time to be patriotic.”

“We have no problem sending our kids, 1% of us sending our kids to war. We have no problem sending national guard folks 2, 3, and 4 times.”

“Barack Obama and I supported a plan put by a good friend of both of ours, Jim Webb. A new GI bill guaranteeing that every single solitary person that went overseas in the United States military could come back here and get a free education just like your grandparents did. Well guess what? The president initially, and John, said it was too generous. And guess what? John didn’t want to include people in the national guard who’ve been deployed two times,” he said.

Gritting his teeth angrily, Biden continued “I tell you Democrats, don’t you step down from anybody telling you that we don’t value, we don’t have American values,” saying “I have had it up to here. I have had enough! Tell me what you value!”

CAN YOU ANSWER THIS ONE?   

Who Am I?

I am under 45 years old,
I love the outdoors,
I hunt,
I am a Republican reformer,
I have taken on the Republican Party establishment,
I have several children,
I  am the Vice Presidential nominee,  with less than two years in the Governor's office.
Who am I?

Who did you guess?   



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I am Teddy Roosevelt in 1900 





Oh!  And in reply to Mr. Biden........can you spell potato?  I'm just curious.

Gingrich to Biden:
You're a 'socialist'
Dem VP nominee says it's 'patriotic'
for rich to pay more to Washington

Former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich called Democrat vice presidential candidate Joe Biden a "socialist" for arguing that it's "patriotic" for workers to fork over more money to Washington.

Biden drew fire earlier this week for equating paying higher taxes under running mate Barack Obama's economic plan with patriotism. He said that any household earning more than $250,000 will have to pay more income tax.

"We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people," said Sen. Biden, D-Del. "It's time to be patriotic, time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."

Gingrich ripped Biden for the zeal with which he and Obama want to "take" other people's hard-earned money for government redistribution. He equated it with socialism, calling into question Biden's own patriotism.

"Every once in a while when you listen to Joe Biden, you know why he used to like Neil Kinnock's speeches," Gingrich said yesterday on the Fox News Channel, "because in his heart, Joe Biden is a good English socialist."

Kinnock is the former British Labor Party leader from whom Biden plagiarized a speech in his doomed presidential bid in the 1980s.

Gingrich's remark, which he made during an interview on "Hannity & Colmes," drew groans from liberal co-host Alan Colmes, who called it out of bounds.

"Oh, come on," Colmes complained.

Gingrich explained that Biden's suggestion that Americans "should patriotically pay him more money to subsidize the government" is socialistic.

"That's not true," Colmes shot back. "I don't think that's a fair assessment of what he said. He said the richer people can – you can rescind the Bush tax cuts on the rich, and having those people contribute to the Treasury is a patriotic thing to do. Do you disagree with that?"

Gingrich argued that taxes aren't voluntary contributions, while suggesting Biden is not as generous with his own money as he wants others to be with theirs.

"Alan, first of all, don't use the word 'contribute' and 'Joe Biden' in the same interview, because there's no evidence that Joe Biden has contributed very much (of his own money) to anybody," he said. "Second, you don't contribute to the U.S. Treasury. You are taxed. It's coercion. It's compulsive."

Over the past nine years, Biden, though the poorest member of the Senate, still earned $2.5 million, yet contributed just $3,000 to charitable organizations.

Asked if he were against all taxation, Gingrich replied: "No, I'm just saying that I think for Biden to decide that his desire to rip off people and take their money should not be disguised as their patriotism when, in fact, it's about his desire for bigger government."

On the campaign trail, GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain also ridiculed Biden for his remark and argued Obama's tax-hike plan would only hurt the already-flagging economy.

GOP vice presidential hopeful Gov. Sarah Palin also took a swipe at Biden's higher taxes-equals-patriotism remark.

"To the rest of America that's not patriotism," she said. "Raising taxes is about killing jobs and hurting small businesses and making things worse."

Biden garbles Depression history

Joe Biden's denunciation of his own campaign's ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.

He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.

"When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed," Biden told Couric. "He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"

As Reason's Jesse Walker footnotes it: "And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, 'Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'"

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Another village idiot that gets paid just to be a villiage idiot.

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"It takes a village ..." 

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Biden Secret Service Code Name: 'Assassination Insurance'
by  Ann Coulter

10/01/2008   
While Gov. Sarah Palin is being grilled on her position on mark-to-market accounting rules, the press can't bother to ask Joe Biden if he could give us a ballpark estimate on when Franklin D. Roosevelt was president -- or maybe take a stab at guessing the decade when televisions were first available to the public.
   
Being interviewed by Katie Couric on the "CBS Evening News," Biden said: "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'"
   
For those of you who aren't hard-core history buffs, Biden not only named the wrong president during the 1929 stock market crash, he also claimed a president who wasn't president during the stock market crash went on TV before Americans had TVs.
   
Other than that, the statement holds up pretty well. At least Biden managed to avoid mentioning any "clean" Negroes he had met.
   
Couric was nearly moved to tears by the brilliance of Biden's brain-damaged remark. She was especially intrigued by Biden's claim that FDR had said the new iPhone was the bomb!
   
Here is Couric's full response to Biden's bizarre outburst about FDR (a) being president and (b) going on TV in 1929: "Relating to the fears of the average American is one of Biden's strong suits."
   
But when our beauteous Sarah said that John McCain was a better leader on the economy than Barack Obama, Couric relentlessly badgered her for evidence. "Why do you say that?" Couric demanded. "Why are they waiting for John McCain and not Barack Obama? ... Can you give us any more examples of his leading the charge for more oversight?"
   
The beauteous Sarah had cited McCain's prescient warnings about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. But Couric, the crackerjack journalist who didn't know FDR wasn't president in 1929, demanded more examples from Palin.
   
We are currently in the middle of a massive financial crisis brought on by Fannie Mae. McCain was right on Fannie Mae; Obama was wrong. That's not enough?
   
Not for the affable Eva Braun of evening TV! "I'm just going to ask you one more time," Couric snipped, "not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?"
   
This would be like responding to someone who predicted the 9/11 attacks by saying: OK, you got one thing right. Not to belabor the point, but what else?
   
Obama was not merely wrong on Fannie Mae: He is owned by Fannie Mae. Somehow Obama managed to become the second biggest all-time recipient of Fannie Mae political money after only three years in the Senate. The biggest beneficiary, Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd, had a 30-year head start on receiving loot from Fannie Mae -- the government-backed institution behind our current crisis.
   
How does the Democratic ticket stack up on other major issues facing the nation, say, gas prices?
   
Shockingly, Sen. Joe Biden was one of only five senators to vote against the first Alaskan pipeline bill in 1973. This is like having been a Nazi sympathizer during World War II. If Sarah Palin does nothing else, she has got to tie that idiotic pipeline vote around Biden's neck.
   
The Senate passed the 1973 Alaskan pipeline bill by an overwhelming 80-5 vote. Only five senators voted against the pipeline on final passage. Sen. Biden is the only one who is still in the Senate -- the other four having been confined to mental institutions long ago.
   
The stakes were clear: This was in the midst of the first Arab oil embargo. Liberal Democrats, such as senators Robert Byrd, Mike Mansfield, Frank Church and Hubert Humphrey, all voted for the pipeline.
   
But Biden cast one of only five votes against the pipeline that has produced more than 15 billion barrels of oil, supplied nearly 20 percent of this nation's oil, created tens of thousands of jobs, added hundreds of billions of dollars to the U.S. economy and reduced money transfers to the nation's enemies by about the same amount.
   
The only argument against the pipeline was that it would harm the caribou, an argument that was both trivial and wrong. The caribou population near the pipeline increased from 5,000 in the 1970s to 32,000 by 2002.
   
It would have been bad enough to vote against the pipeline bill even if it had hurt the caribou. A sane person would still say: Our enemies have us in a vice grip. Sorry, caribou, you've got to take one for the team. But when the pipeline goes through and the caribou population sextuples in the next 20 years, you really look like a moron.
   
We couldn't possibly expect Couric to ask Biden about a vote that is the equivalent of voting against the invention of the wheel. But couldn't she have come up with just one follow-up question for Biden on FDR's magnificent handling of the 1929 stock market crash?
   
Or here's a question the public is dying to know: "If Obama wanted a historically delusional vice president, why not Lyndon LaRouche?" At least LaRouche didn't vote against the Alaskan pipeline.

Here is the full list of lies from Joe Biden during the debate:

    1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

    2. AHMADINEJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

    3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

    4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

    5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

    6. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

    7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

    8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

    9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

    10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

    11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

    12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

    13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

    14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.