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Oklahoma Howdy to All,

There are a ton of labels people keep tacking onto themselves and others. If a person sincerely made the following statement, would they be a Christian and Saved?
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I believe in One God, Almighty God, the creator of all life and everything that is seen or unseen in all existence.

I believe that Almighty God is a Holy Trinity, yet one God: (1) God, the Father, (2) God, the Son (Jesus Christ), and (3) God, the Holy Spirit.

I believe that all men sin, possess no righteousness of their own, fall far short of acceptance by Almighty God, can do no work or deed to make themselves acceptable to God, and are doomed to the curse of sin and death unless a Saviour intervenes on their behalf.

I believe that Almighty God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to be born of a virgin, take the form of a man, and live a Holy life without sin. I believe that Jesus Christ was convicted and sentenced to death for sins He did not commit. In fact, I believe that Jesus Christ was crucified and suffered agony and death for our sins and in our place.

I believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, arose from the dead on the third day, and ascended back into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father as the Lord and Saviour of all who will believe in Him, confess their sins, request forgiveness for their sins, and ask Him to come into their heart as their personal Lord and Saviour. I believe that Jesus Christ is the only perfect sacrifice for my sins, that His blood washes away my sins, and Jesus Christ is the only Gift I can accept for eternal Salvation. I believe the Gift of Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour demonstrates the matchless Grace and Love of Almighty God. I could never pay for or earn this precious Gift from Almighty God, so all Glory, Honor, and Thanks will be to Almighty God through my precious Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, very God, and I believe that he died on the cross for my sins. I believe that Jesus Christ arose from the dead on the third day and is the ONLY Living Lord and Saviour of man. I know that I am nothing but a worthless sinner, but Jesus Christ loves me, gave himself for me, and suffered agony and death in my place. The conviction, sentence,  and punishment were mine, but Jesus Christ paid it all for me.  I have confessed my sins to Jesus Christ and prayed that Jesus Christ would forgive me and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. I asked Jesus Christ to come into my heart as my personal Lord and Saviour.

I believe that Almighty God sent His Holy Spirit to baptize and cleanse my soul of all unrighteousness, live in my heart forever, and place His Seal on my heart that sets me apart as a child of God forever. My sins have been forgiven, and the blood of Jesus Christ makes me acceptable to Almighty God. I am worthy and acceptable ONLY in Jesus Christ because it is HIS righteousness, not mine, that makes me worthy and acceptable.  Now I belong to Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour. He lives in me and I live in HIM forever. I belong to an Eternal Church not made with human hands, the Church which is The Body of Christ. Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable Gift, Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, my Salvation! To God be All Glory forever.  AMEN!
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Nothing added or taken away - Is this person a Christian and Saved? If no, please explain why not.

Love In Christ,
Tom

The answer is YES!!!!

Brother Love :)

Brother, this is my last day on this forum, I will miss you.

Grace & Peace

Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Love,

I will pray that God richly blesses you and your family wherever you go and whatever you do. I pray that God will give you many opportunities to light a path for the lost to Christ. Grace, Peace, Love, and Joy to you Brother.

Brother, I will miss you too.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks Bro

Brother Love :)

I would have to answer this way Tom: there are two types of Christians; those who are saved and are called Christians, and those who call themselves christian but are lost.  Defined the way you have so eloquently, and truthfully stated, I would agree.  Yes they are.  Such a believer will stand out, and will be noted as a Christian.  Nice to read such beliefs brother!

YES! And that was beautiful, BEP!  :D


Brother Love, Why?  :-[

Yes, there are "PROFESSORS" and the real deal. There are tares that have been some among the wheat. There are those who give many indications of salvation but are as lost as a goose in a hurricane(some are in the puilpits).

It will take the angels at the end of the age to properly separate them.

aw

First of all, no one has any right to judge another's "salvation" or not.  This is the sin of presumption   for which all of you will answer for.

I never agreed with this and avoided at all costs judging someone else's salvation, even when I was a baptist, when someone would tell me, "well pray for him, he's not saved" or "praise God, this person just got saved"!

NO ONE KNOWS THE HEART OF A MAN except God Almighty.  You should NEVER judge another's man heart!!

Jesus commands His people;

Take heed that no man deceive you.

The men who decieve are the goats, these are those who preach another gospel, aw refers to these.

Anyone who preaches another gospel, is typified as a goat, the sheep know who the goats are.

It is clear the goats don't know they are goats and presume they are sheep.

Such it is, in order to obey the command, one must judge who is and who is not of God, in order to keep from being deceived.

And you are absolutely correct; all who presume to know God are guilty of sin.

This is the sin of presumption for which all of you will answer for.[/b]

Do you preach another gospel??

Blessings,

Petro

St. Matthew 7:1-6

1 Judge not, that you may not be judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? 4 Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. 6 Give not that which is holy to dogs; neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turning upon you, they tear you.

DOES THIS NOT SAY IT ALL FRIENDS?

Do not put yourselves in a position to judge another man's HEART or salvation.

If you have the Holy SPirit residing in you, He will keep you from being deceived!!!  It is not up to you to determine who is and who is not!  THIS IS PRESUMPTION and THIS IS SINFUL!

DEFINITION OF PRESUMPTION:
 Definition:   [n]  a kind of discourtesy in the form of an act of presuming; "his presumption was intolerable"
[n]  audacious (even arrogant) behavior that you have no right to; "he despised them for their presumptuousness"
[n]  (law) an inference of the truth of a fact from other facts proved or admitted or judicially noticed [n]  
an assumption that is taken for granted  
 
  Synonyms:   assumption, effrontery, given, precondition, presumptuousness

BEP,  Yes.

Blessings,

Petro

avem,


Any one who has the Holy Spirit is Spiritual..


But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. (1 Cor 2:15)


Blessings,

Petro

Do you agree (yes or no) that you cannot judge another man's heart?  Do you agree you cannot say "this man is saved, yet this man is not."?  DO you agree that it is not up to MAN to say whether a person is saved or not?

avem,

Here is what I believe;


Mat 7
20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

But you don't have to believe me, these are Jesus Words.

Is it right or wrong to pray to someone other that God, or bow to images and statutes.

This is the inquity spoken of at vs 23.

Praying the rosary is it what gets repetitous prayer answered?? according to Mat 6:6-8?, or is it vain.?? according to Jesus.

What and How one worships, and the theology one esposues, is what reveals the heart, there is no need for anyone to go any further.. when sees a goat from a distance, there is no question one is looking at a goat, one may not be able to discern who is a goat, but when one hears their gospel espoused by goats, it leaves no doubt what they are..

If you possess the spirit of God, what causes you to worship at the alter you do these things at.??

Don't answer these equestion to me, ask and answers them yourself.

Blessings,

Petro

Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Allinall,

Thanks Brother. I thought I would post a description instead of mentioning one or more of the thousands of denominational tags and labels of men. I left out the church I belong to and may go back and add it. Yes, these are my beliefs. I belong to a church not made with human hands, the Church which is the Body of Christ. The little brick and mortar building I attend is nothing but a place of worship and fellowship with other Children of God. All in the Body of Christ are saved, but only some of the people who attend the brick and mortar building are saved.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Petro - why not answering my question directly instead of hiding behind your verse slinging mannerisms and anti-Catholic inuendos hmm?

Is it ok to say that one person is saved or another is not?  YES OR NO!
You are such a typical prototype of born again christians and anti-Catholics in your avoidance and diversion tactics.

Just answer the question!

Once again Petro you have the theology all wrong on this.  Goats and sheep are not distinguished by the gospel they espouse.  They are distinguished based on their works.  Look at Matthew 25:31-46

31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I don't know how you managed to interpret this scripture to turn from works to gospel because it is never mentioned even once.  So I guess even up close it appears you cannot tell sheep from goats, let alone from a distance.

Oklahoma Howdy to Avemaria,

This thread is not about denominations, tags, and labels. In fact, there is no mention of any of man's labels in the question and subject of this thread. Are you trying to divert the subject of this thread to man's labels and tags? If so, please don't.

In Christ,
Tom

You are asking us to determine if, based on what you wrote after this statement, a person would be considered a christian and/or saved.

I am answering your question by saying this question HAS NO DEFINITIVE ANSWER because we CANNOT and SHOULD NOT judge another person as being saved or not.  SO this is not diverting the topic at all.  It's answering your question which is more I can say for you who refuse to answer mine.

Oklahoma Howdy to Avemaria,

Are you saying that you have no idea what to tell someone about how to be saved without using man's denominational tags and labels?

In Christ,
Tom

QUOTE Tom: Oklahoma Howdy to All,

There are a ton of labels people keep tacking onto themselves and others. If a person sincerely made the following statement, would they be a Christian and Saved?
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I believe in One God, Almighty God, the creator of all life and everything that is seen or unseen in all existence.

I believe that Almighty God is a Holy Trinity, yet one God: (1) God, the Father, (2) God, the Son (Jesus Christ), and (3) God, the Holy Spirit.

I believe that all men sin, possess no righteousness of their own, fall far short of acceptance by Almighty God, can do no work or deed to make themselves acceptable to God, and are doomed to the curse of sin and death unless a Saviour intervenes on their behalf.

I believe that Almighty God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to be born of a virgin, take the form of a man, and live a Holy life without sin. I believe that Jesus Christ was convicted and sentenced to death for sins He did not commit. In fact, I believe that Jesus Christ was crucified and suffered agony and death for our sins and in our place.

I believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, arose from the dead on the third day, and ascended back into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father as the Lord and Saviour of all who will believe in Him, confess their sins, request forgiveness for their sins, and ask Him to come into their heart as their personal Lord and Saviour. I believe that Jesus Christ is the only perfect sacrifice for my sins, that His blood washes away my sins, and Jesus Christ is the only Gift I can accept for eternal Salvation. I believe the Gift of Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour demonstrates the matchless Grace and Love of Almighty God. I could never pay for or earn this precious Gift from Almighty God, so all Glory, Honor, and Thanks will be to Almighty God through my precious Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, very God, and I believe that he died on the cross for my sins. I believe that Jesus Christ arose from the dead on the third day and is the ONLY Living Lord and Saviour of man. I know that I am nothing but a worthless sinner, but Jesus Christ loves me, gave himself for me, and suffered agony and death in my place. The conviction, sentence,  and punishment were mine, but Jesus Christ paid it all for me.  I have confessed my sins to Jesus Christ and prayed that Jesus Christ would forgive me and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. I asked Jesus Christ to come into my heart as my personal Lord and Saviour.

I believe that Almighty God sent His Holy Spirit to baptize and cleanse my soul of all unrighteousness, live in my heart forever, and place His Seal on my heart that sets me apart as a child of God forever. My sins have been forgiven, and the blood of Jesus Christ makes me acceptable to Almighty God. I am worthy and acceptable ONLY in Jesus Christ because it is HIS righteousness, not mine, that makes me worthy and acceptable.  Now I belong to Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour. He lives in me and I live in HIM forever. I belong to an Eternal Church not made with human hands, the Church which is The Body of Christ. Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable Gift, Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, my Salvation! To God be All Glory forever.  AMEN!
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Nothing added or taken away - Is this person a Christian and Saved? If no, please explain why not.

Love In Christ,
Tom

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN Brother I Voted Y-E-S
The only people who would vote no, would be the people that are in Cults, like the Mormon, the Roman catholic religion and JW's

Blessings via the WORD of GOD,

It is a lamp unto my feet!

I am not "takin" sides! Nope cannot do that!

But I want to know if you ALL would take the time to explain.... each of the following verses .... AS being a God inspired definition of a  True "Christian" according these verses.

Galatians 5: 16   This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh And they that belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.[/b]  (Please forgive me, but that is my certain definition of a true Christian!)

Rom. 6: 22   But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. (Sure sounds like a true servant of GOD with holy fruit. there!)

Ok Explain!
And as for the judgment debate upon others, in the faith, so to say!
Verses  1
Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?[/b]
3   Know you not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?[/b]
4   If then you have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. [/b]
5   I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? No, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
The Least esteemed of the church are to judge "the smallest matters?" What? Yes that GOD inspired work said  The saints; shall judge between the "brethren?" I speak to your shame, if there is none among you able to judge between the brethren! If only you be wise according to the will, of the WORD of GOD! Huh?

I already know about the speck and the log in the own eye, (before conversion and born again) stuff, so we can skip that milk and get into the meat, right here!

Next verse # 2, on judgment calls, 1 Tim 5: 20  Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. (sounds like a direct command to put the fear of GOD in the rest And the one who sins)

Next, # 3, Proverbs 27:5 , Open rebuke is better than secret love. (What is better than secret love?)

#4, Titus 1:13,  This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith! (Just what is a TRUE witness)

# 5, Titus 2:15 , These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

# 6, Timothy 4:2   Preach the WORD; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.  (Did that havre a certain order to it? like 1) reprove 2) rebuke and than exhort with long suffering and DOCTRINE)

NOW what ya think!  ???

I believe What they know in part they prophesy in part.

THis was not the question was it?

I am saying that *I* will never look at a person, even someone I know well, that either
A) Yes he is saved or
B) No he is not saved he is lost.

For who am I to say what is in someone's heart.  A person can claim to be "saved" and have "assurance" of said salvation and turn away from God at any moment and deny Him.  So, I will never "know" what's in a person's heart.  Therefore, you CANNOT know if a person is "saved" or not.

Is it ok and right to say that this person is "saved" and this person is not "saved"?  Why not answer this question. Answering a question with a question and no clarification is weak.

Oklahoma Howdy to Avemaria,


Let's just make this simple. What would you tell a person who asked you, "How can I be saved?"

In Christ,
Tom

Try answering my question.  THe fact that you continually avoid it and use diversion tactics by answering a question with a questions shows you to be very weak theologically.  Why are you afraid to answer the question?

I repeat AGAIN:

Is it ok and right to say that this person is "saved" and this person is not "saved"?  Why not answer this question. Answering a question with a question and no clarification is weak.

Why not make it even simpler.....

avemaria, Are you assured of YOUR salvation?

michael,

You said;


You are smoke screening like the others who hold to your doctrines.

I pointed out to you what is wrong with your FAITH WORKS gospel, in that day those who reject the Gospel of GRACE, will be judged according to their works.

These are they that do not enter in at the door,

Jhn 10
1  ......but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2  But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3  ............... and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
5  And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
14  I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

The goats follow the voice of strangers.............

This is why those that perish are goats, their works did not produce anything for them, though they invoked the name of the Lord, and did something.

They placed their faith in their works.

Now notice where the goats wind up;

41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So there you have it, you disagree with the scripture.

Blessings,
Petro

avem....

Ask your self is it right to lead people to God or away from God??

Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.
For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard.  Acts 4:19-20


Petro

In what way is my pointing out your error in the use of a scripture smokescreening as you put it?  If you have a legitimate scripture that shows what you claim then lets see it but don't pull out a verse that says one thing and claim it says something else.

It is you who are putting up a smoke screen by changing your claims from goats being distinguished by the gospel to the idea that those of this gospel are those that do not enter in at the door as soon as someone points out the error of your interpretation.  If you wanted to be honest in your analysis you would either defend you interpretation or admit your mistake instead of changing your analogyto avoid the embarassment.


You have pointed out nothing - you have claimed all kinds of things but never offered any scripture that truly supported the claims when a detailed analysis was done.


Now we get a chance to look at your new approach to the issue, your next smokescreen as it were.   The one that enters in through the door is the shepherd.  The stranger, thief and robber is the one who climbeth up some other way.  But this stranger is being contrasted to the shepherd not the sheep, this stranger is not goats.  You have mixed your metaphors and this sloppy type of analysis is the reason you always seem to end up with wrong conclusions, or at least cannot offer reasonable support for the ones you hold.


Now you are just putting words in the mouth of scripture.  This idea appears nowhere in the bible.  It says the sheep will not follow him but it does not say the goats will.  You can just slop different parables together willy nilly and expect to get sound doctrine out as a result.


This time you are mixing your parables.  Those who cried Lord , Lord and cast out demons in His name were not goats, nowhere in scripture are they identified as goats, you have confused three different stories.  Besides that, look why those who cast out demons in His name were cast aside - it was because they did not do the will of the Father.  See Matt 7:21  What is the will of the Father?  That we believe in His Son AND love one another.  See 1 John 3:23  That is because love fulfills the the law.  See Matt 22:39 and Rom 13:10  It fulfills the law in such a way as to bring life not death therefore it is fulfilling the spirit of the law (which is the proper response by which to accept the free gift) and not the letter of the law (which was how poeple before grace tried to merit their salvation) which only brings death. See 2 Cor 3:6


No they did not - they placed their faith in JUST their works.  There is a big difference from trying to merit your salvation strictly through works and accepting the free gift through faith and works together fulfilling the spirit of the law.


No one is arguing where the goats end up - pay attention - we are arguing about who the goats represent, and you have gotten it wrong three times now.


You get the interpretation wrong and somehow I am disagreeing with scripture?  Hardly!

Curious to me that none of you will say yes or no.  This means you are not certain of what the answer is.

Is it ok to say "This person is saved, and that person is not saved?"

Either you don't know the answer (which doesn't surprise me) or you don't want to say because by doing so you will be admitting to the sin of presumption.

I gather the latter.

No need to answer now.  I get your point.  You are hiding behind your doctrine (wait, which of the 33,000+ Protestant denominational doctrines would that be??) and giving me a typical Fundamentalist response which is a NON-ANSWER.

PRaise God I am Catholic and remember these words from 1 Peter 3:15 "15 But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you."

Apparently you are not "always ready" huh?

LOL!  Gotta love it!

Ya know if we were fellow Protestants and we disagreed with *your* interpretation of Scripture, Michael and I could break apart and form a *new* Protestant denomination based on how *we* interpret the Sacred Scriptures!

Tell me....if *you* intrepret those passages one way and tell us that "the Holy Spirit has guided your interpretation" and Mr. Joe Smith says, "I disagree, *I* intrepret them a different way and *I* too am under the guidance of the Holy Spirit."  BUT WAIT, then there is Mrs. Joan Black and she says, "No, you are both wrong, the Holy Spirit has guided *me* in a different interpretation of those passages."

What do we have here folks?  Chaos!  Confusion!  And alas, three MORE Protestant denominations!

Without the proper teaching authority ESTABLISHED by Jesus Christ in St. MAtthew's Gospel chapter 16, you have chaos!

It is exactly like if our country got rid of all authority and let "every man for himself".  COme on, you know it would never last.  It would be mass chaos.  Exactly what you Prots have!  That's what happens when you turn away from the established authority Jesus established.

You already follow another gospel, I can't imagine why, you would ever want to know the truth of what the Word teaches.

But you don't have to not know what Gods Word teaches, His desire is that all men come to repentance.

That none should perish.


You probably didn't notice but, I quoted Jesus own words..


I am amazed you can recognize this.  One must compare scripture with scripture, so as not to be deceived,  the whole word of God doesn't consist of one verse,

If you noticed ( Ohhh, of course you didn't)  I quoted Jesus where He was speaking of His sheep, just as He was mentioning them together with the goats at Mat 25.

But then again, how am I to know you did not know this.

Blessings,
Petro
 

"for which all of you will answer for"


Is this a judgement on your part?
 Can you give scripture for it. Who has to answer for the "sin of presumption"?

 The word of God determines who is saved and who isn't and one can make judgements accordingly. Otherwise it would be useless to preach the good news of Jesus Christ. Every time Paul went on His journeys to preach he presumed they were not saved and so preached the good news to them. Is Paul guilty of the "sin of presumption"?

 Man has to answer and will receive judgement for his sins outside of Christ. If in Christ His blood cleans the sin away if repented of and continues to wash if sins committed are repented and forgiveness of God asked.

By their fruits you shall know them.

The answer?  No. Why?  Because we do not know if someone is saved.  However, the point Tom was making is that if you do not believe what God has said in His word concerning eternal life and how that gift is received then you are not, may I repeat? YOU ARE NOT SAVED[/b].  I am not stating this.  God already has sister.  Either you agree with God or you do not.  Am I sitting here judging anyone?  No!  How can I say this?  Because the only way I can know if someone isn't saved is if I hear that they don't believe Jesus to be God's Son, sent as their substitionary atonement for their sin, or they claim that their salvation can be earned apart from God's plan.  

Now, if someone like Tom claims the the truth of God's word concerning salvation as his own yet has no fruits to match his claim, can I then say he isn't saved?  No!  No more than I could say that he is saved.  If someone blatantly goes against God's word then you need not wonder.  If they agree, and claim, then "love bears all things, believes all things...etc"

The principle of the Word of God is not limited to onbe verse, but the entire Word.

Goats are always typified by the unsaved, while sheep the children of God, begining with Christ the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the World.


You have pointed out nothing - you have claimed all kinds of things but never offered any scripture that truly supported the claims when a detailed analysis was done.
Wrong again,

If becoming a child of God, depends on whether you accept or reject Jesus then, you would be saved according to your will.  

If this is so,  Your salvation ultimately depends on your will. God is unable to do anything until you decide to accept or reject.

No matter how much you wish this to be so, it is not so, and can never be so.

This is the error espoused by those who know not the scriptures.

Listen to what the inspired Word teaches.

Jhn 1
1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You know these verses; however you do not believe them;

Now listen carefully;

10  He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew him not.
11  He came unto his own, and His own received him not.
12  But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:
13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

You would argue with God's own words, written for our edification .. I believe God, not you...  especially someone who denies this very passage of scipture.

Eph 2
2:1  And you hath he made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3  Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4  But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath made us alive  together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6  And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:










Now we get a chance to look at your new approach to the issue, your next smokescreen as it were.   The one that enters in through the door is the shepherd.  The stranger, thief and robber is the one who climbeth up some other way.  But this stranger is being contrasted to the shepherd not the sheep, this stranger is not goats.  You have mixed your metaphors and this sloppy type of analysis is the reason you always seem to end up with wrong conclusions, or at least cannot offer reasonable support for the ones you hold.
I never said anything about the goat being the stranger or vice a versa, you getting confused here.

It is the goats who climb up some other way , make no mistake about it....a goat with horns. and they follow a stranger who I might add also has horns.




Now you are just putting words in the mouth of scripture.  This idea appears nowhere in the bible.  It says the sheep will not follow him but it does not say the goats will.  You can just slop different parables together willy nilly and expect to get sound doctrine out as a result.
I am glad to see you recognize the stranger is a he, the stranbger personifies Satan the evil one.

The sheep certainly do not obey the voice of this stranger.

Who do you suppose, put these notions in these goats head that they could be saved by faith doing good works??

The Faith and good works gospel is what this stranger uses to deceive goats.


This time you are mixing your parables.  Those who cried Lord , Lord and cast out demons in His name were not goats, nowhere in scripture are they identified as goats,
michael, please refer to your reply #16, you even posted the following verses; what is the matter with you anyhow, aren't we talking of sheep and goats here??

Mat 25
32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.



No they did not - they placed their faith in JUST their works.  There is a big difference from trying to merit your salvation strictly through works and accepting the free gift through faith and works together fulfilling the spirit of the law.
No they presumed that they were known by the shepherd.

Clearly their faith, not the Faith Gods gives, was what the trusted in plus there own works.


No one is arguing where the goats end up - pay attention - we are arguing about who the goats represent, and you have gotten it wrong three times now.
No, he is speaking of the nations of the world, more prcisely the peoples who are represented by these nations.  Read verse 32, again.


You get the interpretation wrong and somehow I am disagreeing with scripture?  Hardly!

I say read the passage at Mat 25:31-46, again.

Yes, my friend you disagree with Gods Word.


Blessings,
Petro

michael,

You need to read responses before you reply to them, If you look at my reply #26, there are no other passages except John 10, which I used to make my point on Mat 25..

You got yourself confused, it is easy to do, when so many scriptures need to be reconciled in your thoughts.

Go slow..

Blessings, Petro

"Why not make it even simpler.....

avemaria, Are you assured of YOUR salvation? "


My question still stands....

Don't be so condescending - I read your post.  But you are not the only one allowed to add scriptures to their posts.  You referred to invoking the name of the Lord and I provided the verse that was clearly implied.  I then show you your error in interpreting it and you want to hide behind the vaguries of your technique.
 

I doubt it.


Oh, please michael,

You need to get on the same page.

My reply#26 had nothing to do, with what your response to what you replied concerning the verses you used at your reply #16.

Get serious....I trust you are not another 19 year old, trying to hide behind your imturity, using it as an excuse for your twisted confused view of the Word..

You said;


You are talking of  Mat 7:21??, I am speaking of Mat 25, which is the scriptures you raised at your reply #16, you never mentioned Mat 7, ther at all.  

You are having a conversation you must be having with yourself, this is how you got confused, here.   Whoopi...

The fact is the goats of Mat 25, clearly thought presumptously that by their works together with their own faith, was good enough to get them to be known by the Shepherd.

Get with it...they simply were wrong, because the gospel they  adhered to was WRONG.

And such it will be with all those that embrace another gospel.

But it doesn't to be this way for you..

Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.  Faith, is the gift given by God to them that hear.

This is why He encourages those that may hear;  

 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have. Lk 8:18

To the religious men of HIS day Jesus said;

If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. Jhn 9:41

Can you hear and understand what I am saying to you, michael??

Blessings,
Petro

michael,

Now, if you want to consider the goats at Mat 7:21, you may..in the light of what Jesus said.

The goats of Mat 7:21-22, He refers to at Lk 6:46, these are they, who call to Him, Lord  Lord, today, and will do also in that day, but do not the things which I say?

The reason this is so, is because they think that in the doing of the things said, they have eternal life.

But Jesus made it clear, it isn't;

Note what He said to the relgious men of His day;

Jhn 5
36  But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
37  And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38  And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40  And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

It is because there is nothing one can do, but obey, the commandment. (Acts 17:30), Because Jesus is that prophet whom the Father sent of Deut 18:18-19.

Men will be judged by every word that came out of His mouth which He has spoken in the name of God the Father and still speaks to us thru the written word.

You will say, I already have received Him....and I say if you really have then you would believe Him.

But you really haven't this is why you do not believe Him.

Everyone who receives, obeys, and believes His Words, He says;

  ..I give unto them eternal life; .

Read John 10:25-30...............

You say, No he doesn't everyone has to work to receive eternal life.

You do greatly error..


Blessings,

Petro

Yes of course man plays a part in our own salvation.  But no God can do something prior to our decision to accept or reject the gift.  He loves us and offers the gift, the rest of it is up to us to show our love in return by holding on to that gift through keeping our faith alive.

God gives us salvation freely and we either choose to hold on to it or not.  A free gift can be taken for granted and dropped along the road side.  God doesn’t at judgment day ask to measure our works and then say oh you merited or oh you did not merit salvation.  Instead, He turns to us and asks: Do you still have that gift I gave you back awhile ago, you know the one you accepted with a living faith; and if we have kept our faith alive with works through all our tribulations and temptation we can say yes.  If we have not then we have to say no I threw it away and thus we have lost our salvation.


I know them and believe them.  But they do not say anything contrary to my interpretation of the rest of scripture and since you have been to lazy once again to offer an interpretation to make you point clear I don't know what relevance you think they have to this issue.


This says that if we receive Him (our choice - our will) then through God's power which we are given, we are reborn.  Not by our power or will but by God's.  You have to look at the flow of the story and see that there is a timeline being followed.  The being born again (which is not by our will)occurs after we have received Him (which does occur by our will).


I argue with your interpretation and not with God's word and I never denied this passage only your intepretation of it.


Once again a verse you were too lazy to interpret and one I find no problem incorporating into my doctrine.  What is oyur point!


I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you were trying to link the goats to the stranger, but I won't do that again.  Scripture says it is the stranger who climbs up some other way and you say it is the goats.  I guess I will believe scripture.


Notice how you completely ignore the error in your previous post and instead try to change the subject and bring up another point.  Time to get honest with yourself Petro.


Did you read the verse?  The goats are accused by Christ of not doing works.  Not of doing faith and works.  So I don't know who put that notion in your head.

Oh but you are wrong, there are three (tres) words in the passage at Mat 7, that indellibly connect  Mat 25 and the goats together, you obviously have not read the passage which you brought up, both of these speak clearly of the final judgement.

And please don't forget;  Jesus is speaking in both passages Note:

22  Many will say to me in that day,

Can you see goats, now??  

Read Mat 25:31-32.  Now connect the dots.....








Luke 6:46 doesn't talk about goats either.  You can't keep forcing your impressions upon the Word of God and expect to get proper doctrine out of your interpretations.
Only the sheep are Jesus's brothers, these are they that do the will of my Father which is in heaven. Jhn 12:50

Sorry you are unable to grasp this...


Wrong answer,  How about The goats did not do the will of God.


Thats exactly what I have been telling you, faith works to be saved, do not mix well, faith only will result is God Glorifying Work plesasing Him.


Yes look at that set of verses it is declaring Christ divinity and saying that without God's word in us we cannot be saved.  But you automatically assume that God's word mean our faith, but God's word includes faith and our obedience.

Wrong again,  don't presume to know what I mean,  the word of God rules herein,  and doesn't need you to interpret it, in your presumption.

At Verse 37, Jesus is making reference to these unbelieving Jews that had neither heard the voice of God nor seeing His form, this is because they did not have HIS WORD abiding in them (you see, God speaks to us today through HIS WORD the Bible), these Jews had the OT scriptures, but did not allow God to speak to them through HIS WORD, their hearts were so hardened an their ears were dull of hearing, yet they thought they knew the way, thinking that by doing they could gain eternal life.

But the scriptures are clear that by the keeping of the law no flesh will justified in HIS sight. (Rom 3:20), for by the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

You simply do not understand, nor know what you are talking about.
 

The result of believing the witness of the Holy Spirit is believeing and accepting Jesus.
You have it wrong, men perish for commiting Blasphemy against the Holy Spiirt, whether one lives or dies, is based on what men do with the witness of the Holy Spirit, when a man believes the witness of the  Holy Spirit He is then given to Jesus by the Father, it is then Phil 1:29, becomes a reality.

You are wrong.....Jesus said;


 
  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. (Mat 12:31-32)







Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
-- does not say that "there is nothing one can due but obey"  where do you get this stuff?
Correction, it doesn't mean that to you, because you teach man can go straight to believe and bypass obedience.

Man cannot believe anything unless he repents, pure and simple.


Notice once again your own choice of verses betray you, we have to believe and obey (works) in order to accept the gift freely given.
There is a difference between Believe and believe, you just don't know it..because you focus in your free will.  Its the flesh, and the vanity of the natural man, which speaks to you,, instead listening God's Word you re minterpret it according to make it fit your doctrine..


No He says we have to believe, but what does it mean to believe?  

I already answered that for you...I know you are unable to understand this, but what can I say, I can only testify to the truth.  

God has to reveal the truth to you..you are stuck with wanting to  excersize your freewill.

Blessings,

Petro

No reply as of yet...must be out of town for the season.

My answer was also yes. Good doctrine and its the word of God.

The Crusader

How can you claim this - that you must do the will of the Father and in the next breath say we have no free will to do that and we are saved by faith alone.  Pick a side and stay on it please.


Yes and they are cast aside because of that.  They had no works of mercy/love to keep their faith alive.  You keep proving my point for me.


I have to presume what you mean as you are always afraid to provide your interpretations for fear of someone showing you how they are wrong or contradictory.  And yes, of course the word of God needs to be interpreted - how else do we understand it?


This is refering to keeping the letter of the law in an attempt to merit salvation.  It does not preach against keeping the spirit of the law and thus keeping our faith alive through works of love.

michael,

Those who are given to Christ by the Father, are given eternal life by Jesus, they will never perish.

This is not dependent on anything they have doen or will do, but simply trusting and obeying Gods Word.

There is a difference between believing as in trusting and believing as in the type that  is given which saves.

This is a mystery to you, not to me...


Blessings,

Petro

Oklahoma Howdy to The Crusader,


Thanks Brother! It sure is nice to see your handle (nick) back on Christians Unite. I wish you grace, peace and joy as we celebrate the birth of our precious Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Love In Christ,
Tom

In the lite of 1 Cor 2:14, can any man do the will of God??

Only when a man comes to the end of his rope, will realize he cannot do what God commands him to do..

Have you done the will of God?

Petro

I know your position Petro and repeating yourself doesn’t do anything to prove a point that you have not been able to prove through providing scriptures.  If you want to prove your point take the time and effort to give alternative interpretations to those who show verses and interpretations that make you interpretations to the verse you choose appear inconsistent with the totality of scripture.  When you ignore selected verses it makes your position look much weaker.

This is why I find the idea of deterministic predestination so ridiculous.  By interpreting the scriptures to hold that man “cannot do what God commands” you make God out to be a capricious, unjust tyrant, demanding things that cannot be accomplished.

I know that this is the root of our disagreement and I have waited for you to show me a single verse that required that interpretation.  You have not been able to do so.  I have shown that every verse you provide can be interpreted to fit the Catholic theology which sees God as a loving father who wishes to help us, through a free gift of grace, to be able to serve him as vessels of honor.  That through cooperating with His grace we could return His love.  Instead you reject these alternative interpretations and demand to see Him as one who forces Himself upon us.

And yes I have done the will of God by cooperating with His grace.  I have not always done His will since first receiving that grace but I have tried my best.

Have you done His will?  To be consistent you must answer No.  Because without free will you cannot.  The best you can hope for is that He has done His own will through you.  If He chooses to use you, you are saved and if He chooses not to your are damned.  I hope someday you will face all the hard verses and see that this view of a tyranical God is contrary to a consistent interpretation of scripture in it's entirety.  Until then I will pary for you.

I am not the one that doesn't believe Jesus, you are...

Out of one side of your mouth you say, I believe, believe what?

You certainly do not believe Jesus saves eternally, this is clear.

You deny His very words, this speaks clearly on  who it is you depend for your salvation, and its not the shed blood of Jesus.
you rely on yourself both clinch the deal, and if you do not wink, nothing can happen, and should you desire to sin, you can simply do it, and come back to repentance,

He says He gives ETERNAl LIFE,, you say you can lose it, if this is true you simply never had it, pure an simple.

But since you have never considered the verses I have given you (which is evidenced by you ignoring the words) that reinforce the statement) "and they shall never perish" won't make what you say is true, TRUE.

Here is the verse in its entirety again, for you.

 I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
  But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
  My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
  And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
  My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
  I and my Father are one.(Jhn 10:25-30)



Jesus own words don't need to be interpreted to make them fit, ones theology.

So here is the proof you ask for, which ought to prove to you, you remain in unbelief, you are wrong...you simply do not believe the words of the savior, regardless of what you say..out of the other side of your mouth.

He that heareth my word, and trust on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Jhn 5:24,

Quit ignoring the scriptures I am giving you.

The word "Trust" used in this verse,  is a form of belief, with- out commitment on the part of man (you may cross refernce, it with the same word 1 Th 2:4) this is all God requires of men.

He will bring them to full faith in conformance to His perfect will and plan He has for their life.

You, simply have not come to this place and never will as long as you reject the Words of God.

I hope this is not true, believe the gospel and you shall be saved.

Blessings,

Petro

PS  By the way, you are wrong about your church teaching free will for 1500 years, this man centered doctrine known as PeligianISM, was rejected at the Carthaginian Synod of 412 AD , but it has lived on in the form of semi-pelagianISM, and you are testimony of it, within your institution inspite of Pelgius himself being excomunicated as a heretic, for teaching the doctrines which underpin your theology.

If you get the history straight you may, come to the truth.  

michael


No you don't, because scripture is clear the those who are covered by His blood are born again

"I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."

Those who first trust in Christ are beneficiaries of the NEW Covenant, it is in this present life, and we are beneficiaries of these promises now.

If you are one of those who is working to earn your gift, you are still under the wrath of God, because the fact is their is nothing one can do to merit the gift of salvation.

It simply is a man made teaching that has all the earmaks of the Father of Lies, didn't he say "You shall not surely die", "you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

You know good from evil?, is it good to despise what God says He gives freely, by claiming you must earn it.

Forget your argument that you must accept the gift, it is what you do asfterward that shows plainly what you really believe, you believe that you have to earn it, you don't presently possess it.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.  Let me encourage you to put your faith in What God has done for you, not, what you have to do for yourself.




You interpret them to your damnation, if this is the case.

How do you interpret the following verses;

Heb 10
12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13  From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14  For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15  Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16  This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17  And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

I guess, you believe God doesn't forget your sins and iniquities, huh??

It is clear you disagree with the apostle, who wrote this, and since you diagree with Jesus' own words, your well on your way to striking out.  

The only thing left for someone in this position is to die in unbelief.. God forbid.

Put your faith in Gods Word.


You said your a Roman Catholic, what good is it to say that, when you don't even believe your own institutions religious teachings, the Roman Catholic church, excommunicated Peligius as a heretic, and sided with Augustine, the same teaching od peligius is now taught - original sin, it is called semi-peligiasnISM, thought your church denies it.

I may be illiterate, but better a child of God than knowning how to read and write and be spiritually blind and dead.

And it is only according to His Grace and Mercy by which He made Saving Faith available to me.

Praise Him,

Blessings,

Petro

PS, Check your history, Calvin taught what Augustine expounded.  and he (Augustine) was a Roamn Catholic.

Blessings...

hael,

You must be born again to see the Kingdom of God.

Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
(Jhn 1:1-21)


Blessings,
Petro

Oklahoma Howdy to All,

There are a ton of labels people keep tacking onto themselves and others. If a person sincerely made the following statement, would they be a Christian and Saved?
________________________

I believe in One God, Almighty God, the creator of all life and everything that is seen or unseen in all existence.

I believe that Almighty God is a Holy Trinity, yet one God: (1) God, the Father, (2) God, the Son (Jesus Christ), and (3) God, the Holy Spirit.

I believe that all men sin, possess no righteousness of their own, fall far short of acceptance by Almighty God, can do no work or deed to make themselves acceptable to God, and are doomed to the curse of sin and death unless a Saviour intervenes on their behalf.

I believe that Almighty God sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to be born of a virgin, take the form of a man, and live a Holy life without sin. I believe that Jesus Christ was convicted and sentenced to death for sins He did not commit. In fact, I believe that Jesus Christ was crucified and suffered agony and death for our sins and in our place.

I believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, arose from the dead on the third day, and ascended back into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of God the Father as the Lord and Saviour of all who will believe in Him, confess their sins, request forgiveness for their sins, and ask Him to come into their heart as their personal Lord and Saviour. I believe that Jesus Christ is the only perfect sacrifice for my sins, that His blood washes away my sins, and Jesus Christ is the only Gift I can accept for eternal Salvation. I believe the Gift of Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour demonstrates the matchless Grace and Love of Almighty God. I could never pay for or earn this precious Gift from Almighty God, so all Glory, Honor, and Thanks will be to Almighty God through my precious Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, very God, and I believe that he died on the cross for my sins. I believe that Jesus Christ arose from the dead on the third day and is the ONLY Living Lord and Saviour of man. I know that I am nothing but a worthless sinner, but Jesus Christ loves me, gave himself for me, and suffered agony and death in my place. The conviction, sentence,  and punishment were mine, but Jesus Christ paid it all for me.  I have confessed my sins to Jesus Christ and prayed that Jesus Christ would forgive me and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. I asked Jesus Christ to come into my heart as my personal Lord and Saviour.

I believe that Almighty God sent His Holy Spirit to baptize and cleanse my soul of all unrighteousness, live in my heart forever, and place His Seal on my heart that sets me apart as a child of God forever. My sins have been forgiven, and the blood of Jesus Christ makes me acceptable to Almighty God. I am worthy and acceptable ONLY in Jesus Christ because it is HIS righteousness, not mine, that makes me worthy and acceptable.  Now I belong to Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour. He lives in me and I live in HIM forever. I belong to an Eternal Church not made with human hands, the Church which is The Body of Christ. Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable Gift, Jesus Christ, my Lord and Saviour, my Salvation! To God be All Glory forever.  AMEN!
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Nothing added or taken away - Is this person a Christian and Saved? If no, please explain why not.

Love In Christ,
Tom

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AMEN!!!!

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