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12/19/2003

A Dupo High School senior is protesting the school administration's demand that he refrain from saying "God bless" at the end of a daily bulletin he broadcasts over the school's televisions each day.

Full article:
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/0D129174F7DD019B86256E020013C5F4?OpenDocument&Headline=Dupo+student+protests+his+ban+from+broadcast+over+%22God+bless

What do you think?

The young man is a hero willing to stand for God, his princibles, and his contititutional right of free exersise.

John Leo's column in this week's U.S. News and WR(12/29, p6), "Foiling Those Evil Grinches"--public schools that have been outlawing Christmas.  Some excerpts:

"How goes the annual battle to delete Christmas from schools and th public square?  News is mixed, but on the whole, things are not going well for the Grinches..."


"Some spoilsports want to ban Christmas carols andHanukkah songs from schools."

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony,

Brother, this is already happening around the country, just about every place where a single challenge is filed. My wife is a school teacher, and they have already been forced to eliminate all references to God, and that already includes Christmas plays, carols, and any exhibit that hints of God.

Very few people really recognize what has been happening for the last several years. As one example, the textbooks used by schools are being changed and history is being removed that refers to God. A more specific example involves the pilgrims and Thanksgiving.

In terms of Christmas, there is a move to change the name to winter holiday, as Christmas infers something to do with Christ. It is OK to talk about Santa Claus but not about Jesus Christ. If the ACLU gets its way, the word "Christmas" will be removed from everything associated with public agencies. Jack Frost and the easter bunny are OK, but Jesus Christ is taboo. If the taboo hasn't hit your area yet, the ACLU will get there sooner or later.

It's very sad Brother.

Love In Christ,
Tom

This is all out spiritual warfare on Christians.  And I agree, seems like everyday now you can see a news story of this nature.  Satan is waging war on God and his children.  Thank the Lord we have his word to guide us.

ph 6:11  Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13  Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14  Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15  And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16  Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17  And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18  Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints

Mount em up brothers, last time I checked the end of the book, we still came out victorious!

Grace and Peace!

Yes, thank you, 2nd Tim, and bep.

bep, sounds like more serious, or more widespread, than ever.

If you could absorb an institution that would be pervasive, far reaching into every knook and cranny in a nation, and get at the most vulnerable, what institution would that be?

The schools.

Virtually every county and parish in the United States, has a public school,  and unprepared, vulnerable, precious little minds.

Acquire "ownership" of that, and you have the literal jugular of a nation.

Yes, only the majesty of Jesus Christ can "fight" something like this.

Human beings would be powerless.   It's all encompassing.

And our local newspaper publishes an ad for a statewide hotline, if anything "threatening" heard toward a school, report them.  

So, not only do they now "own" the heartthrob of our nation, you can't say anything critical of them.

One of the cornerstones of our Republic, was the right to speak out, to question, to even criticize.

Now, if you do, your neighbor, or anyone, might report you.

And, it might mean forfeiture of your property, then all the more incentive, since that property might then be available at fire-sale prices.

Nazi Germany, Stalin Russia, all over again.  Neighbors and friends, turning in each other, for a song.


Hmmm.  What better way to exact the submission of a nation, and take them over--literally.

Oklahoma Howdy to Symphony & 2nd Timothy,

Brothers, I'm still somewhat optimistic there are some things in the works to reverse part of what's going on. I think it has gone so far that a Constitutional Convention would be necessary, additional Amendments to the Constitution, and iron-clad language adopted to nail the courts completely down. Our system of checks and balances is broken when the courts can over-ride the other branches of government. In effect, the Judicial is ignoring the Executive and Legislative Branches.

The separation of powers and system of checks and balances needs to be repaired and restored. We can and should be praying about this daily. We should also be writing letters, sending emails, making telephone calls, signing petitions and everything else we can do to encourage our representatives to STAND UP!

Love In Christ,
Tom

I agree.  Also important to make use of our rights to vote.

Grace ane Peace!

Oklahoma Howdy to 2nd Timothy,

How did I forget that? UM??, maybe a senile moment.   :D

Yes, we can vote them in and out of office.

Thanks Brother. I think this is the only senile moment I've had in at least 3 hours.   :D

Love In Christ,
Tom

I don't think public schools should exist.   ;)

Many have fought and died in many wars for, and in the name of, the freedoms of America and to guarantee that fascism and totalitarianism can never be in America.

But it is Happening! They finally found a way to use the constitution in reverse to prohibit freedom instead of guaranteeing it.

One thing for sure they can not ban the rulings of Jesus Christ in the Godly heart and the Holy Spirit that dwells there.

God's will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

Thank you, Ollie....Amen.   :)

Parents of N.C. Girl Upset by School Book


WILMINGTON, N.C. (AP) - The parents of a first-grader are fuming over the book their daughter brought home from the school library: a children's story about a prince whose true love turns out to be another prince.

Michael Hartsell said he and his wife, Tonya, couldn't believe...

(you'll have to copy and paste the following whole url into your browser address window, rather than clicking...)

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?oldflok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040318%2F0634713423.htm&sc=1110&floc=NW_5-L1


Notice how even this netscape article frames the issue:  The parents were "fuming"...


In other words, how dare the parents get upset at all.   How silly of them.  Poor little things--they were "fuming".


So see?  Even the "media" is becoming our Gestapo.  Watch how news stories are written--their slant, and their intended barbs.


How silly of us to point this out, or to even notice.

ANd how convenient for them.

Symphony,

Read the same story on WND today. We shouldn't be suprized. The radical homosexuals want to indoctrinate our children from the cradle to the grave.

Remember the book "Heather Has Two Mommies"?

A number of years ago, a group of us protested this book that was available at our local public library. A pastor or two did show up at the Library board meeting to voice their concerns (out of a metropolitan area of over 1,000,000) but the board members just thumbed their noses at us. What was interesting is that one of the board members was also a local judge. So much for justice!

Psalm 119

I understand why you wouldn't want a school issuing this sort of book to students, but why would you be that worried about a library stocking it - no-ones forcing you to borrow the book?  Libraries stock all sorts of books most of us wouldn't agree with.

thank you, Psalm.  I was afraid of that.  God bless the ministers for at least going and raising the question.  For taking the time.

I'd much rather be doing something I want to do.  And I'm sure they'd like to too.

ebia raises a very good question.  I for one have never been one to criticize the libraries for their literary choices.  I figured it was a choice the patron could make.

But does that mean you stock any and everything?  Well, apparently now it must indeed mean that.  The sky's the limit.

My decision is to just avoid those libraries.   I no longer go near the one that I grew up going to--since I was four years old.   And we have to avoid those schools--and now, the elementary schools.  I visited an elementary one years ago; and noticed what they had the kids doing up on the stage, then, for a PTA meeting.   And everyone was oblivious to it then.

They are going mad.  It's just madness.  The same as surrounded Lot and his guests there in Sodom.  And again there in Judges 19.

You wouldn't go into areas of madness, unless you had a deliberate reason for being there.

When Lot dithered about exiting Sodom, the angels forcibly removed him.

So at some point, it is time to "get outta Dodge".  

We're fast approaching that.  I felt we were there 15 years ago, and that was before gays had public worship.

Does a snake know he's a snake?  He crawls on his belly and he thinks he's a king.

That's the world of the insane.  And they revel in it.   And they will take your children if they can get them.  Just like the Coachman, in Pinocchio.

And they do it all under the most polite, and discreet, and magnanimous of outgoing gestures and even sophistication.   They are some of the "nicest" people you could ever possibly want to meet.  

Everyone things Pinocchio is just a fairy tale.

Government schools

Oklahoma Howdy to Reba,

Sister, they all belonged to a nation that honored God at one time. There was a time in the past where parents would do all sorts of things to help the public schools. Now, it's a difficult decision when you find out how much of your money will be spent. There were times when people didn't mind sacrificing to support the schools, but times have changed. There are many who refuse to buy evil books for the library and pay for sexual perversion tolerance training.

Love In Christ,
Tom

school (noun)
an organization that provides instruction

The definition of ‘school’ no longer applies to the ‘indoctrination camps’ sponsored by the government. Which of the following do YOU think fits best when describing what a government school does for (to) kids:

instruction (noun)
an outline or manual of technical procedure

indoctrination (noun)
To imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle

Just an aside I thought about after reading one of you comment on 'dancing' at a local public school.

A few years back, my wife, son and I were invited by our neighbors to a dance recital that their daughter was to be involved in (she was about 5 at the time). The group and school she was participating with was a public school, but also a very 'well-to-do' public school. This school system (they educate K-12) not only draws lots of wealthy people, but does so because it's well known for academic rigor, a remarkably successful sports programs (Last I heard they were at least in the top five nationally for most state championships) and producing doctors, lawyers, successful businessmen and artists by the bushel.

So we go to this dance recital expecting something cute and frilly with five-year olds in pink tutu's...and there was some of that. But imagine our amazement when pre-teens and teens come strutting out on stage in less than modest outfits while bumping and grinding to the latest in music. Oh, mind you these kids had talent, but it was all being applied to what their instructor felt was modern, "artisitic" dance, which was sexual in its suggestion and being passed off as art.

Perhaps the greatest disappointment came however in observing the reactions of the other parents in the audience. No one else seemed put off by this, no one commented negatively on it, and it certainly wasn't the first recital for many of those parents. All of this taught me that THIS is what's expected, and more importantly THIS is what's accepted. All parents claim to want the 'best' for their children and yet interpret that 'best' in the context of wealth/career/status/fame.

I later was discussing this with my dentist (an alumnus of the very school system), who commented that he sends his own kids to a different, private school. When I asked him why, he mentioned that most of his patients are involved with the wealthy public school we were discussing, and an overwhelming majority of his patients are either divorced, unhappy, or both.

As a young parent, I learned a great deal from it all.

Wow, thank you, Corpus.  That what it was, when I mentioned that PTA I went to, above, years ago.  A dance recital, elementary, on stage.  Not upscale like yours--rather frumpy, etc., but suggestive and careless.  There must have been a hundred parents there, at least.  No one seemed disturbed by it.

Yes, some professional people here send their kids out of town, or even out of state.

Yes, there's a lot of unhappiness in the public school.  Unhappy children, ambitious parents/teachers, unhappy parents and teachers.  A lot of divorce going on.

I've pleaded for years, in letter to the editor.  They don't much allow that anymore.  I played the divorce card just once in a letter, and that was in passing.  Not very well liked--we guard our vices carefully.

Here, the newspaper, dictates the "flavor" of the community; as a gatekeeper, they exercise a great deal of influence in how people think.   Arguably, they foment as much heartache as they do report any news or advertise, keeping the pot stirred and creating constant competition among individuals.  And other media too.   They aren't aware of it, though.  Anyone who doesn't toe(tow?) the prevailing party line(of madness) is simply or even rudely ignored or quarantined.  And they do it to each other, for the sake of a song.   Anyone who steps out of line.  And it's directly proportional to one's popularity--the more popular you are, etc., the greater the risk; so the most influential are all most careful to reflect quickly whatever the prevailing wind is.  

Alternatively, though, these are fields "ripe for harvest."
Like Jesus said, you want to do what they say, but you don't want to do what they do.