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Title: Atheists Infiltrate Events for Intelligent Design Film
Post by: nChrist on April 03, 2008, 08:49:36 AM
Atheists Infiltrate Events for Intelligent Design Film
by Kevin Mooney and Josiah Ryan

(CNSNews.com) - Outspoken opponents of the Intelligent Design (ID) movement, including scientists Richard Dawkins and Paul Zachary "PZ" Myers, have managed to infiltrate private screenings for a soon-to-be released movie on the subject, according to a film producer who helped to organize the events.

Dawkins - an Oxford University professor, biologist, and author of "The God Delusion" - attempted to gain entry to a private screening of the film, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," on March 20 in Bloomington, Minn., as did Myers, a biology professor at the University of Minnesota.

Dawkins was successful; Myers was not.

However, Myers managed to intrude upon a telephone press conference call the next day that included Ben Stein, the film's narrator, and the film's producers.

"Expelled" calls attention to the plight of highly credentialed scholars who have been forced out of prestigious academic positions because they proposed Intelligent Design as a possible alternative to Charles Darwin's 150-year-old theories about the origins of life .

Instead of entertaining a debate on the merits of competing theories, the scientific establishment has moved to suppress the ID movement in a "systematic and ruthless" way at odds with America's founding principles, the film asserts.

The private screenings are designed to help build grassroots support for the film and to call attention to the mistreatment of scientists who are working to open new doors of inquiry that could help to advance human knowledge, Mark Mathis, an associate producer for the film, said in an interview.

A computer glitch, however, made it possible for certain individuals to RSVP to some screenings when they in fact had not been invited, Mathis said. The same glitch also occurred on March 19 in Boston where at least 30 percent of the audience members were antagonistic toward the film's message, he said.

Although the filmmakers noticed that Dawkins had arrived at the Minneapolis screening uninvited, they decided to let him in anyway after he signed in as "Clinton Dawkins," Mathis said.

Meanwhile, about a half hour into a telephone press conference last Friday - designed to allow reporters to question Stein and the film's producers - a caller identified himself as PZ Myers after he had been patched into the call and demanded the producers cease and desist from supposedly twisting the truth.

"You do know that both PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins have posted substantial criticism of your movie don't you?" said Myers.

Prompting laughter and astonishment from Stein, the producers, and the reporters on the conference call, Stein said to Myers, "You are a very persistent person."

Mathis asked Myers to leave the call, saying, "Mr. Myers, as you have done previously with trying to sneak into the film, you have come uninvited to this call, and I am going to ask you to do the honorable thing."

Myers responded: "You will ask me to do the honorable thing while you do the dishonorable thing of continuing your policy of lies."

At the screening that Dawkins entered, Myers also tried to enter but was spotted by an "Expelled" staffer.

Mathis told Cybercast News Service that for months Myers has been disseminating information through his blog about the film that is not accurate and for this reason he was asked to leave.

Mathis said Myers is welcome to see the movie but he wants him to pay admission "like everybody else. I don't want this person seeing our film for free," Mathis said. "I want him to come back on the 18th and pay his own money."

Although Myers and dozens of blogs have seized on the idea that the "Expelled" filmmakers, who complain about scientists being expelled from academia are now doing the same thing, Mathis said that the real irony is being missed.

"Myers is free to see the film once it is officially released," said Mathis. "But those individuals who have devoted their lives to scientific study might not ever regain their posts after exploring new avenues of inquiry simply because they do not concur with the Darwinian view."

After the Minneapolis screening ended, the filmmakers fielded questions from the audience. Dawkins demanded to know why his friend Myers was not permitted into the screening, said Mathis.

"Most of what he had to say did not have anything to do with the content of the film," said Mathis. "He did get into how we did the interviews under false pretenses, which is not true. And then I said, 'Who invited you? This is a private screening. You are here under false pretenses,' I said as a dig back at him."

Stein - a former White House speechwriter who now works as a Hollywood actor - interviewed academics and scientists on both sides of the debate throughout the film.

Dawkins and Myers are outspoken proponents of evolutionary theory who have been critical of "Expelled." They contend the film is edited and crafted in a duplicitous and misleading manner that misrepresents their views, but Mathis denied that and said the interviews were not set up under false pretenses.

Dawkins discussed this episode and other aspects of the film in his own blog.

In the film, Dawkins revealed that his belief in evolution helped to push him toward a belief in atheism. "I'm bad news for the science lobby," Dawkins said in an interview with Stein.

If called to testify in a court case, he could not deny the connection between Darwinism and atheism, Dawkins said in the film.


Title: Re: Atheists Infiltrate Events for Intelligent Design Film
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 03, 2008, 11:01:50 AM
I don't go to the movie theaters and usually wait for the movie to come out later so I can watch it at home if I watch it at all. I am seriously thinking of going to see this one. I think it will be well worth it.

I especially liked the comments I have seen on Myers being upset for being expelled from the private showing of this film yet advocates the expulsion of the many professors, teachers and scientist from their professions for simply questioning the theory of evolution. Science is supposed to take a critical look at theories not just to accept them as fact. It has been this process that has achieved great strides in many fields of science such as the medical field yet these people do not want true science to be implemented on this theory. Instead they are working to impede science. Perhaps it is their fear that the truth will come out and that they will then be expelled from their professions.



Title: Re: Atheists Infiltrate Events for Intelligent Design Film
Post by: nChrist on April 03, 2008, 11:22:23 AM
Good Morning Pastor Roger,

We don't go to movies very often either, but there are several Christian films coming out that my wife and I will probably go see. We don't have very much money, and we certainly don't spend much for entertainment, but going to Good Christian Films is one way of encouraging them to make more and telling them that we appreciate their work. I would also hope that a message is being received by film makers that most American families want CLEAN AND MORAL shows with Christian content. So, this is a message we can send, especially on films that are expected to be excellent. I hope the dirty and obscene stuff loses money, but I like the idea of good Christian film makers to always make money.


Title: Re: Atheists Infiltrate Events for Intelligent Design Film
Post by: Brother Jerry on April 03, 2008, 11:43:46 AM
I have been discussing this with a old friend of mine...and I do have to ensure something is clear on this instance...Dawkins did not attempt to get in on his own...he was a guest of Myers. 

There is tons of stuff out on the net about how Myers was expelled and reportedly how the scientists were deceived.

None of the deception has been substantiated so at the moment it is hot air.  Myers expulsion I find humorous at best.  But one thing you will not see discussed in great length by anyone of any merit is the content of the movie. 

Now with the Myers expulsion I think is a great tactic by the marketing folks...if you were going to market a movie you do it through as much free publicity as you can...if the movie is controversial as this one is you try and spin as much controversy as possible.  So how are you going to do that?  Expel one of the most prolific bloggers in the world today....PZ Myers....  Good move on the PR folks part.

I am waiting for this film...I think it will be great and informative.  And I cannot wait to research some of the information discussed.