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Title: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 19, 2008, 11:48:44 AM
Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
'We expect it to reach past street level in a few months'

The reborn World Trade Center will begin rising above street level this spring - when the Freedom Tower's steel frame emerges from its 80-foot-deep construction pit, officials say.

The tower itself is now just 10 feet from street level, Port Authority Executive Director Anthony Shorris said.

"We expect it to reach past street level in a few months," he said.

Shorris and Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein, who is building three office towers at the site, said virtually every project at the World Trade Center is now under construction after years of cleanup, design and site preparation.

A time-lapse rendering of the 16-acre site prepared by the Port Authority shows the project coming together over the next five years like a massive jigsaw puzzle, with more than 10,000 construction workers assembling the pieces.

By the end of this year, the Freedom Tower's steel will be racing skyward, while a steel base for the memorial is being set in place. And foundations for Silverstein's three towers and the Santiago Calatrava-designed transit hub will be under construction.

By the end of 2010, the Freedom Tower and Silverstein's Towers 2 and 3 will reach rooftop level, and the memorial plaza will be complete and ready for the planting of more than 400 trees.

Silverstein's Tower 2, the second tallest at the site, will have topped out by the end of 2011.

"By the end of 2012, as they say, it'll all be over but the shouting," Shorris said at a New York Building Congress luncheon last week.

"What is falling into place is a construction-coordination machine of truly unprecedented complexity."

The four towers inside the perimeter of the original World Trade Center site will include 141,000 tons of steel and 593,000 cubic yards of concrete.

A fifth tower is planned a block away on the site of the former Deutsche Bank building. That tower is slated to be complete by the end of 2012.

Just to clear sites for Silverstein's three towers, the Port Authority excavated and hauled out enough dirt and rock to fill Giants Stadium.

Silverstein, who acknowledged that "things haven't always gone as smoothly or as swiftly as everyone - including me - had hoped," predicted that the final outcome in five years will create a new economic engine in lower Manhattan.

But Silverstein said the proof of progress for New Yorkers made skeptical by delays and missed deadlines will be the visible construction now shaping up.

"There has not been this much going on at the site since the cleanup concluded close to six years ago," he said.


Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Barbara on April 30, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
This is an interesting article I got on an update from cuttingedge on the strange occurances after 9-11:

Molten Steel Flowed Under Ground Zero for Months after 9/11

Prison Planet, April 28, 2008

"In response to numerous reports of molten metal under ground zero, defenders of the official version of 9/11 have tried to argue that it was not steel, but some other kind of metal with a lower melting point.

Well, here are what top experts who eyewitnessed the molten metal say:

*The structural engineer responsible for the design of the WTC  purportedly described fires still burning and molten steel still running 21 days after the attacks.

*A retired professor of physics and atmospheric science said "In Mid-October when they would be pulling out a steel beam the lower portion would be glowing dull red, which indicates a temperature on the order of 500 to 600 degrees CENTIGRADE."

*The head of a team of scientists studying the potential health effects of 9/11, reported 'Fires are still actively burning and the smoke is very intense. In some pockets, now being uncovered, the are finding molten steel.'

*Hazardous materials experts also stated that, six weeks after 9/11, 'There are still pieces of steel being pulled out from as far as six stories underground that are still cherry red' and 'the blaze is so far beyond a normal fire' that it is nearly impossible to draw conclusions about it based on other fires.'

Note this expert is saying that the blaze cannot be caused by a 'normal fire'. Indeed this particular blaze was caused by a most abnormal fire, the kind caused by a small nuclear device - - a micro nuke!

*"According to reported Christopher Bollyn, Mark Loizeaux, president of the world's largest demolition company, and Peter Tully, head of a large construction firm, said the following: "Tully told AFP that he had seen 'pools of literally molten steel' in the rubble.'

"Loizeaux confirmed this: "Yes, hot spots of molten steel in the basements," he said, "at the bottom of elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven levels."

The molten steel was found 3, 4 and 5 weeks later, when the rubble was being removed, he said. He confirmed that molten steel was also found at WTC 7, which mysteriously collapsed in the late afternoon.'"

Most people do not realize that WTC 7 also possessed the same exceedingly hot fires in the basement which characterized the Twin Towers. Many people are suspicious of the collapse of WTC 7 because it collapsed within it's foot print just as did the Twin Towers, even though it was not hit by any aircraft.

*"NY Firefighters recalled in a documentary film, 'heat so intense they encounted rivers of molten steel'.

The fact that there was molten steel under ground zero for months after 9/11 is very odd, especially since firefighters sprayed millions of gallons of water on the fires and applied high-tech fire retardants.

If these methods of putting out normal fires did not work, then again, we must conclude that these fires were most abnormal, and could not have been caused by exploding aircraft fuel.

We encourage you to also read this incredible article, "World Trade Center Hot Spots", NASA Thermal Images, 5 March 2008. We quote just a portion here:

"Joe Allbaugh, the Director of FEMA, was interviewed by Bryant Gumbel of CBS news on October 10 2001:
GUMBEL: And we're hearing there are places that are still approaching and even sometimes exceeding 1000 degrees."
ALLBAUGH: "Thats right".


My thoughts - so many are sick, so many firefighters have lost their jobs since that day (my nephew is a NYC Firefighter and lost many of his fellow Firefiighters that day), and so many strange illnesses, thyroid problems even among kids, etc., are cropping up in and around the area that it seems to my husband and I that there was more than meets the eye. We left NY 3 years later, as soon as we could take early retirement, after living there for 50 years. So I find this story very interesting. Anything seems possible to us, nowadays! We know there is a conspiracy that brainwashes thousands of men, women and children to give their lives for a false god, and go to their deaths taking as many as they can with them.

Not trying to be paranoid - just wondering about how much of the truth has been told...

This event certainly was instrumental in bringing down the economy and world position of the US.



 



Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 30, 2008, 06:39:32 PM
The Alameda tunnel had a truck carrying jet fuel that had an accident while midway in the tunnel. It caused a huge fireball to travel down the tunnel almost instantly melting cars and trucks that were in it's way. Temperatures reached close to 3,000 degrees F within minutes. Areas in which pockets were formed the metal continued to be in a molten state for a very, very long time and only started to cool down once it was exposed to the open air. At the WTC it was the same way. "The molten metal was found in pockets." This statement is repeated again and again even by the Bush did it conspiracists.



Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Barbara on April 30, 2008, 09:15:30 PM
Wow Pastor Roger! I never heard of that! Where can I read about that on the internet? It had to be really bad!

I didn't see anything about Bush doing it - I voted for Bush. I just felt the info was interesting. I do believe that day was a terrible demonic conspriracy though, and because I'm a New Yorker, my friends and I still read everything about that day - we just can't forget. My husband watched the 2nd plane crash into the WTC, my nephew, an NYC firefighter (who was off that day) lost many of his friends, another nephew went to Afghanistan and Iraq - he's a marine, our friend worked in WTC 7. We do talk about it a lot.


Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 30, 2008, 10:26:44 PM
The article you posted didn't mention Bush at all. The web site you got it from does mention Ron Paul and that is one of those who I was referring to as thinking that Bush was behind 9/11.

The Alameda tunnel I was talking about is the Alameda/Oakland tunnel that is called the Posey Tube. The accident occurred in the early 1970's before the internet came into the picture. If it is on the internet then it would be a surprise to me. I was stationed on a ship that was homeported in Alameda at the time and traveled through that tunnel everyday. I had just got on the ship for the day about an hour before it happened. The tunnel was closed down for a very long time. I had to go a very long way around to get to where I was going. It added another 30 mins or so driving time each morning and evening.



Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: nChrist on April 30, 2008, 10:50:28 PM
Hello Sister Barbara,

There were many completely natural forces at work in the WTC attacks. The natural forces I'm talking about have nothing to do with an inside job, Bush, or anyone other than terrorists hijacking jets for terrorist acts.

I'm an accident reconstructionist, but for cars and trucks - not jets. Many of the same calculations would be possible, but different natural laws would have to be used in portions of the calculations. I don't have the weights or speed of the jets, and I don't have the number of gallons of jet fuel. If I did, it would take considerable time to determine the explosive and heat potential. Without any of this information, I could easily tell anyone these forces would be horrendous. Many things other than the jet fuel would obviously be part of the calculations: weight, mass, momentum, conservation of linear momentum, angles of contact, components of the structure the jets hit, etc., etc. The natural forces at work would have been catastrophic with ZERO jet fuel, but the jets were full of fuel. If one has the appropriate information about specific types of fuel, one can calculate explosive power and potential of heat for various circumstances. Just one gallon of regular gasoline has tremendous explosive power and potential for heat just sitting still. If you compress that gallon of regular gasoline and/or put it in various kinds of containers, the potential power can be magnified many times with just a single gallon of regular gasoline. This would be without figuring the effects of moving this gallon of regular gasoline at various miles per hour. Let me just say that this one gallon of regular gasoline could easily have the power of an unknown number of sticks of dynamite in various kinds of containers at various miles per hour. However, jet fuel would be MUCH worse than regular gasoline.

I watched this on television numerous times, and I simply know that the collapse was caused by terrorists in hijacked jets. This was NOT an inside job and involved NOTHING but the jets and natural forces that went to work during and after impact. The buildings themselves would have become a container of sorts for horrendous power and heat. In other words, the buildings could have easily served to magnify the natural forces because the buildings did become a container for that power. It's important to note that the potential power and heat would have been horrendous in the open air without a container. I'll just say that I didn't consider it odd at all that the buildings collapsed. To be blunt, the only thing I considered to be ODD was the low number of casualties for that kind of event. My first thoughts were that way over 100,000 people had died. In many reflections on this event, the excellent construction of the buildings probably saved countless lives of people who could have easily been killed blocks away with the potential explosive power and heat involved. The excellent construction also probably prevented mass destruction of other buildings in the immediate area.

If one wanted to compare raisins to watermelons, one could look at the Oklahoma City bombing. The explosive material was sitting still, and it was far less potent than jet fuel - AND in a MUCH lesser quantity. The fertilizer would have had much greater explosive power if it had been in a container traveling at 200 mph at impact. It's important to note that containers DO have much to do with the potential power of various substances - AND speed magnifies that potential. If one looks at the potential natural forces, the only thing odd about any of these events is the low number of casualties. PLEASE - I have no intention to minimize any of these horrible events. I had friends who died in all of them. I'm simply trying to make the point that it's ridiculous to consider that our government did this or it was somehow an inside job. If professionals wanted to kill people, there are much more sophisticated methods that would have most certainly killed many more people. The truth is that DUMB, AMATEUR TERRORISTS carried out these acts with CRUDE, UNSKILLED METHODS! 


Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Barbara on April 30, 2008, 10:52:55 PM
I didn't know that about Ron Paul. We're new here in Florida and we saw a lot of signs about Ron Paul but never looked into it - he didn't seem to be going very far.

I figured that tunnel would be 'out of service' for a long time after an accident like that!


Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Barbara on April 30, 2008, 11:06:21 PM
Hi blackeyedpeas,

We must've posted at the same time. I didn't see yours until after I posted.

Anyway, I don't think anything was said about it being an inside job. Again, I just found the article interesting - especially the intensity of the heat. I know they suggested some kind of mini-nuke but I didn't take that as being an inside job, but maybe something planted in the building by other terrorists before the crash.

You're job sounds very interesting - maybe a little hard, too - to reconstruct accidents must be difficult.

I think the amount of casualties were due to the wonderful emergency services in NYC and the mercy and grace of our incredible God! There are so many dedicated, caring people - heroes - who risked, and even lost their lives to get others to safety. They did a tremendous job!!


Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 30, 2008, 11:12:27 PM
It takes quite a bit of heat to get jet fuel started burning but when it does burn it is at much higher temps than gas used for cars. Yes, the "container" does have a lot to do with it also. I wasn't onboard until almost three years later but I did see the after math of the fire that hit the USS Enterprise in 1969. It was started by a rocket going off accidentally but what made it such a bad fire was the jet fuel onboard. Many of the jets were lined up on deck and fully loaded ready for flight. Even in the open air the fire got so hot it melted an awful lot of metal. Molten metal poured off the flight deck and down into the aft hatches into the hangar bay. One of the communications transmitter rooms which was on the deck just below the flight deck was nothing but a mass of melted metal.

One of the biggest fears of Navy shipboard fire fighters is fires that are inside the ship and where jet fuel is involved.

The article didn't say it but it did hint at a conspiracy that many of the conspiracy nuts have been using for many years.

Yes, I lost a number of friends in 9/11 also. A number of the people that I was stationed with before and many that I personally trained were killed in the Pentagon.

Not only was it the grace of God and the wonderfully courages bravery of the emergency personell but also the bravery of many of the citizens involved that were willing to step forward and help others.



Title: Re: Freedom Tower begins to sprout in NYC
Post by: nChrist on April 30, 2008, 11:20:28 PM
Hello Sister Barbara,

I'm retired and disabled. I was involved with accident reconstruction for only about 7 years of my 25 years in police work. I served as a consultant for longer than that, but I'm retired from everything except Christian volunteer work.

YES - the emergency services were wonderful in these events, AND we must also thank GOD. It really is amazing that things weren't MUCH worse.