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ebia,

Its not that difficult, all one has to do is to have faith the right object.

What are you doing out of the evolution forum, anyhow??

I see you believe the pope on evolution being a fact, huh??

I forgot already where I read you taught math, it is at the elementary grade level??

Well, any good mathmatician, should be able to calculate the odds of the possiblities evolution is true.  

But then again, what can you say when your so so...........

Petro

Most of my posts have been outside of the evolution forum.

Not because the Pope says so.

Secondary school.  (I guess that's High School to you, but I'm not familiar with the American system.)


I doubt you really want to try your hand at a discussion on probability, but I'm up for it if you do; it's an area of maths I particularly enjoy.  I don't think this thread is the place for it though, do you?

NOT funny!  :'(

Nevertheless, you do agree with him that evolution is true??

Secondary school.  (I guess that's High School to you, but I'm not familiar with the American system.)
Secondary here would be junior high, some school districts refer to it as middle school, 9 year olds thru 11 years of age.

What country do you represent........??  Is it englsih spaeknig??


I doubt you really want to try your hand at a discussion on probability, but I'm up for it if you do; it's an area of maths I particularly enjoy.  I don't think this thread is the place for it though, do you?
Ohh I don't mind..

Well I hope you are more familiar wtih mtah tehn expnuoding scripture, the schools should get their moneys worth, when they hire teachers,  we have some teachers in this country that can't even pass the basic tests which are required to teach elelmentary subjects.

As for figuring probabilities uinsg math skills,  does reuqire critical thinking and formulative skills, perhaps I colud post a simple mathematical problem taken from one of the teacher exams, see what you can do with it.

I won't bother unless you fill up to it.

Petro

Where do your kids go to school?  Junior high or middle school is ages 10/11-13/14 grades 6-8 sometimes 9 depending on where you are.

Yes.

Secondary here is from 12 years old to 18.

I'm in Australia - look at my profile, its about the only think I've disclosed there.  Are you seriously suggesting I'm not an English speaker?

You don't mind debating probability, or you don't mind doing it here?

what happened? your keyboard explode?
I'm guessing this was meant to be "... with math than expounding..."

how are they teaching if they can't pass the test required to teach?

Depends on how long it will take and how interesting it is.

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I'm a bit confused by that one, anyhow I thought you said you weren't an aussie?  Some sort of technicallity like, you weren't born there I suppose?

Its the [English translation of] the original [European] name for this continent.   Matthew Flinders (the first man to sail around it) shortened it to Australia.

I'm English.  I live in Australia.

English, from England? Or English-speaking?  ???

MNy kids are grtown up, but I live on the west coast.

Secondary school here consists of 6th, 7th, 8th grade, some refer to it as middle school, on the other hand Preparatory, would be the equivqalent of High School, which would be 9th thru 12th...

Kids begion school out here at age 4.5  or 5 yrs old, depending on their birthday it would make them 9 years or older by grade six, eleven by grade eighth.

Petro

ebia,


what happened? your keyboard explode?
I'm guessing this was meant to be "... with math than expounding..."
There you go, and no my key board is fine, I guess you aren't up to date on the new liberal teaching.  Part of being a teacher is to keep abreast of new methods of teachings.

Afreind of mnie inmorfs me, according to a rschearce at an Elingish Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a word are the olny iprmoetnt thing is taht THE fsirt and lsat ltteers is at the rghit
palce.  The srset can be a toatle mess and you can sllit raed it wouthit porelm.  Tihs is becusae we do not raed ervey ltetr by it slef but the wrod as a wlohe.

Undertand.........??

Anyhow, if youd like to sohgw off and work a mathematical problem using critical thinking and reasoning skills, I would be gald to psoe one for you.

how are they teaching if they can't pass the test required to teach?
It is beause of taechrs unions and mediocre teachers, watch out for so so, taecrhs and cover ecah ohters back.  You know!!

Are you a feamle??  I thought you were a guy........??

Anyhoo, it would be interestiong to see, if you coukld work a math problem and see, if you really haved the skills you attribute to yourself.


Petro

Depends on how long it will take and how interesting it is.

Both.

Petro:  I can read that "gibberish", but it is harder work.  Some people (eg some with dislexia and similar) will not be able to read it.  If you want me to read it, post it in English please.

ebia,

OK, here it is.



All things can be answered using mathematical formulations and equations and critical analysis, I don't know what is taught in Australia, but any math teacher should be able to analyze the following problem and answer it within 2 minutes.

What do you suppose the probability is, you can answer this question in the allotted time??

Actually take your time.

Here is your math problem, please show all work!

**************

While traveling cross country three men, who had been camping along the way, arrived in a small town and decided to rent a room in the local hotel, for a nights stay.

Upon registering and paying a a total of $10.00 dollars each for the nights stay, the clerk gave them the key to the room which  was on the second floor.

As the men climbed the stairway to their room, the owner entered and asked the clerk if the travelers were  local residents, upon learning they were strangers passin through, the owner of the hotel instructed the clerk to refund the men a total of $5.00 dollars, upon which the clerk opened the drawer and withdrew 5 $1.00 bills.

As he raced to catch up with the strangers, he realized there was no possible way of refunding each man an equal share of the $5.00 refund, so he decided to pocket  2 $1.00 bills and refund each man $1.00, which he did, upon catching them as they entered their room at the end of the second floor hallway.

From the information provided in the story above, it is clear the room was rented for the sum total of $30.00 for the nights stay, and evident that each man contributed $10.00 as his portion to the sum total.  Upon receiving a $1.00 refund each man's contribution was reduced to $9.00,  for the room rental for the nights stay.

The unscrupulous clerk has $2.00 in his pocket of the total paid originally by the three men, add to this to the total sum of $ 27.00 (which is the sum total of 3 x $9.00) and you have $29.00.

Please answer the following question;

What happened to the missing $1.00??

Since initially they paid a sum total of $30.00.

*************************

No cheating.....and no gibberish....................

Petro

So wow then, your kids graduated by the time the were 15 huh?

5= Kindergarten 6=1st 7=2nd 8=3rd 9=4th 10=5th.  Depending on your birthday you could start as late as 6 this makes you 17-18 years old upon graduation.  There are no 15 year old graduates as an average.  If your kids were 11 in 8th grade they would be 15 when they graduated.  I think you got a little confused there.

s4e

Without getting into an argument about this, in this day and age, many young people graduate from high school at a much younger age, there are some school districts in our region where schools are year around classes.

I graduated from high school, three months after turning 17, and that was over 30 years ago, in my class, three others were 16 years of age, I still communicate with one of them, and even kid each other over our ages from time to time.

It is not as rare as you make it to be...perhaps you simply never heard of this.

I remmenber going to school with a 20 year old fellow, who had to shave every day, cause he had a five o clock shadow, big deal, actually it was then, but had it not been for this conversation weith you,  I probably would have never remembered this ever again..  


Petro

"The unscrupulous clerk has $2.00 in his pocket of the total paid originally by the three men, add to this to the total sum of $ 27.00 (which is the sum total of 3 x $9.00) and you have $29.00.

Please answer the following question;

What happened to the missing $1.00??

Since initially they paid a sum total of $30.00."

I beleive i have it but ill wait for who the qeustion was intended for..

jabez,

Great,


Good idea, give her a chance to work out the answer.

Boy, I will be real disappointed to here there isn't one missing....when clearly the math proves there is.

Petro

L.O.L.
That old chestnut.  I was expecting at least something I haven't seen a million times before, if not actually challenging.
The sum at the end is, of course entirely spurious, ie there is not sensible reason to add the $2 kept by the clerk to the 3*$9  paid by the men.  Rather, you should be subtracting it, to get $25, which is the amount deposited in the hotel account.

ebia,

So this is your answer??

You look at two mathematical equations 10 + 10 + 10 = 30, and 10 - 1 + 10 -1 + 10 - 1 = 27 + 2 = 29 , in reconciling the same sum total of 30 units of whatever (It doesn't have to be dollars, it could have been oranges),  and your contention is that the answer is 25, while denying there is a difference of 1 between the answers??

This is a half baked answer.

This sounds like the funny math, liberal teachers in this country in some schools are trying to teach youngsters.

The new math of today, doesn't require one get the right answer, just so one can go thru the motions of a futile excercise.

This doesn't surprise me, since from your answers given in some of these threads leaves one scratching their head, perhaps you should change your profession again and become and english teacher.

Petro

You still failed to answer my questiopn of how old your child/ren were when they graduated.

Secondly I gave you clear "math" to show you by your own numbers.  

You answer is as good as ebia's as far as I'm concerned.  I had to shave when I was 16, else I had a shadow as well.  So what's your point about shaving anyway?

S4E,

My daughter was 18, years  old, she started public elementary at the age of 5, my wife started homeschooling our kids when our youngest was 5 years of age, there is a 4 year difference between them, then when she was in the sixth grade, I was badly injured on my job, and we had to put all three of them into public school again, because it was at the end of the year, they did not allow two of them to go into the next grade, anyhow two and half years later, they went back to homeschooling, and then one by one went we started each of them in Christian private high school for their final three years as they entered the 10th grade each, my second and third boy both were 17, when they graduated.  They are two years difference in age.

As for the five o clock shadow, my point is there is a cut off for high school at age twenty, so, there is quite an age disperaity, between student s that apply themselves  and those that just cruise along.


Petro,

S4E,

Do you mean you agree with the ebias answer??

Why there is NO substance to her reply same as her response to biblical dialogue.

I find it hard to believe a supposed math teacher would claim to be able to use critical evluation of mathematics to calculate probability, and give an answer  as she did, thinking that ends it.

Allow me to ask you,

How is it you state her answer is good enough, when clearly the math shows that there is a 1 dollar, or unit, it matters little what you want to call it missing.

Mathematical figures and equations are always used to prove Mathematical answers.

When the problem clearly shows these men were out of pocket 30 dollars initially, and then only 27 after receiving a 1 dollar refund each man.  

In reconciling the problem you have these men still out  3 dollars of the 30, of which only 2 can be accounted for.

How is it, there  is 1 dollar unaccounted for ??  Where is it, what happened to it.

You might answer this by saying thats close enough, but, as someone else said herein, close is good enough if you use grenades, but unfortunately, it doesn't hold any water when trying to prove factual truth, and the truth is their is 1 dollar missing.


Giving an answer that there is twenty five in the till, is no answer at all, coming from an astute mathetician, who claims to teach.  

It is gibberish to use her own  words.

I would accept such an answer from you, seeing that you haven't made such a claim, but thats not the case here at all.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't go see such a math instructor to have her help me with my taxes.

Might you be able to give an answer to this problem.

Good day to you,

Petro

No, I meant you answer wasn't good enough either.

Petro:

If you're serious, you're maths teachers have a lot to answer for.  You can't just pick out any set of numbers from the question and add them, and expect them to come to the same number.

3 x 10 = the amount originally paid by the 3 men.
3 x 10 -5 = the amount left for the hotel after return $5
etc
3 x 9 + 2 = what exactly?  - its a nonsensical sum in the context of the problem.

Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

Math requires logic and skill, especially for the more difficult problems. However, the numbers you used in your sample problem were small. Any math teacher should be able to give you the answer - we'll wait and see.

In Christ,
Tom

ebia,

What exactly??  Nonsensical, please explain??

9 represents the amount each man is out of pocket, multiply this by 3, because there are three men, and you have 27, which represents the sum total amount all three are out of pocket, the clerk possesess 2 of the three, which  is missing from the original 30 out of pocket total.

It is clear 1 is missing.

Don't ask me for the answer, your the mathematician, didn't you say; you must know (maybe you don't) math is tghe language of God.

You say evolution is a fact, how can you prove it, if you can't even solve this prioblem.

The majority of physcists believe in God, did you know that.

The ones that don't are the ones who can't work out what appear to be illogical.

But math proves and reproves all things.

Petro

I can see only two possibilities here.
1.  This is a wind-up
2.  You are stupid.

The two dollars in the bell-boy's pocket came out of the 27 paid by the three men.  To add it to the 27 is absurd.

At the moment I'm favouring number 1.  Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm not going to continue to post as I have already answered.

ebia,

That is exactly the answer I would expect from soemone like you.

You pride yourself on being wise, and prudent, I am a Mathematician you say, able to calculate numbers and answer probabilities.

You deceive yourself.

Its is illogical that fifty ton airplanes can fly, even that a steel ship can navigate the oceans, you only believe it, because you have seen it with your own eyes, and if you never had, you would give the same answers you have given here, to someone that told you, this metal airplane can fly the skies, and that steel ship can navigate the oceans.

The airplane flies and the steel ship floats because of the numbers who have been worked out by real mathematicians.

But then one has to possess all of their faculties in order to believe this without needing to see it, which is what real mathematicians do.

I suggest, that it is you who is deaf and blind, unable to see the real things that matter and make up the issues of life, and this is the reason why you lack the wherewithall to hear and understand.

What is amazing to me is that we have allowed teachers that fit your profile to teach our kids.

You could never prove evolution nor the probability of it being true, even if you wanted to, because you believe it to be the gospel.

Anyhow I for one, am glad you live in Australia and not here..


Petro

If they added up the numbers the way you have above, they'd probably be expecting the ship to fly and the aeroplane to float.   ;D


So am I.  :P

ebia,

You live in dreamland, there are ships the fly, and airplanes that float. duhh.......

Are you married??

Petro

 >:(WOULD YOU GUYS QUIT ARGUING? Isn't it obvious? I have the missing $1.00! I spent it on gum! That's what happened to it!

I have the missing $1.00! I spent it on gum! That's what happened to it!

ROFL! Gonna share that gum?  ;)

;D

Nope.  ;D

 :-X  :'(  :-\

 :P  :P  :P  :P  :P