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Twas the month before Christmas
When all through our land,
Not a Christian was praying
Nor taking a stand.


Why the Politically Correct Police had taken away,
The reason for Christmas - no one could say.
The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.
It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say
December 25th is just a "Holiday".

Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit
Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!
CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod
Something was changing, something quite odd!
Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa
In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.


As Targets were hanging their trees upside down
At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.
At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears
You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.
Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
Are words that were used to intimidate me.

Now Daschle, Now Darden, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
On Boxer, on Rather, on Kerry, on Clinton!
At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter
To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.
And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith
Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace.

The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.
So as you celebrate "Winter Break" under your "Dream Tree"
Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.

Choose your words carefully, choose what you say
Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS, not Happy Holiday!

AMEN.  MERRY  CHRISTMAS  are the words i wish to hear and see displayed. I gave a copy of this poem to a friend at church. He said the only sad part about the poem, was the fact that it is all true.
IBTina, thank you for sharing this poem with all of us, it really hits home on what is going on in the USA, these days.

I agree.. MERRY CHRISTMAS...
 and on another thread i posted that song
"Lets Put Christ Back Into Christmas (This Year) "
by tammy Wynette! Its so true!!

I love everything about christmas.but especially that I can celebrate teh birth of Christ.. and so the salvation of my soul! and the souls saved everywhere!!!
 I love the snow.. the lights.. the music.. but again more then that Christ.,, and the feelings of love and happiness and togetherness etc..
now this will be my first year that m,y kids will be gone from around 4pm christmas day till the next day! gonna be so HARD!!! to deal with..soo will have to deal wiht it thru Gods Grace.. I cant say I will miss being with my EX at this season.. cause he always fought about soemthing etc.. so this year.. gonna do everything I can to make it Happy, fun.. about God..etc.. cause there wont be to many gifts under the tree!! but..

Good is Good ALL the TIME!!!!!

so
again

MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone!!!

Sweet!  Ya know, it's funny.  Try as they do to take Him out of it, He still manages to be the focus, doesn't He?   I mean, it's a minority group trying to push Him out of the majorities view point for their comfort and "rights".  Yah?  Well it's my American right to say:


 :D

AMEN AND AMEN!

Nobody can beat or cut the name of JESUS CHRIST out of us. We will thank, worship, praise, and celebrate the name of JESUS CHRIST for eternity. No power will be able to stop us.




Love In Christ,
Tom


 

Hi Allinall... I didnt get a chance to say houdy to ya since getting back to CU, so taking the chance now..
soooo   HI ALLINALL!! :D ;) hehe...

Hi Sis!  It's nice to be back.  I may have more time coming up to be on.  Who knows?  It's always nice to be here.   :)

Brothers and Sisters,

I've been listening to the news and there are wild and unreasonable things happening on just about every corner. The "political correctness" police are out in full force and are busy little devils. It's now all over this part of the world, and I've decided not to cooperate on anything when it hits here.

There are battles again on nativity scenes, but my city has quite a few huge ones. If they're outlawed here, I'll put up a bigger one in my front yard and ask my friends to do the same.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. I heard news spots about Police Chaplains having to remove crosses from their lapels and cities having to recruit SECULAR CHAPLAINS! - BALONEY!

Crosses as grave markers are under attack and anything remotely associated with Christians is under attack. I'm retired and no longer a public employee, so I'll do whatever I want to - when I want to. I think that the Police Officers and City Employees in my City are still allowed to say Merry Christmas. I don't have to worry about this kind of NONSENSE ANY LONGER. I do remember the ACLU forcing our City to remove Crosses from our City Seal, but they LOST many other battles in my neck of the woods. I'm almost sure that the City could have won the "Cross" law suit had they wanted to. Numerous individuals in the community offered to pay for the fight, but the City gave in. We beat the ACLU on the Holy City of the Wichitas, the CHRIST of the Wichitas, the annual "Passion Play" of the Wichitas, and more. Other than the Cross on the City Seal, the ACLU had a hard and bad trip when they came to my neck of the woods. I doubt that they appreciated our hospitality, and I'll assume that we've been marked off of their list forever. If not, we'll try to make their next trip here much more expensive and less pleasant.

As a Christian individual, I've had just about all I can stand. I've decided to say and do whatever I feel led to do with ZERO regard for political correctness in any area. Who knows, maybe I'll even decide to say MERRY CHRISTMAS every single day. What they used to call the "Christmas Spirit" was actually the "CHRIST Spirit", and Christians SHOULD have the CHRIST Spirit every single day. This CHRIST Spirit is one of many good things that shouldn't be limited to one day per year. For the folks in my part of the country, it's most typically associated with all kinds of help to the less fortunate - BUT primarily with thanks, praise, and worship of GOD. It's the primary part that the ACLU objects to, and they are desperate to erase anything like it from the public square or even mention of it on calendars or text books used in public schools.

Many people give up too quickly in fights with the ACLU, and many entities don't fight at all when they hear the devil's term of "ACLU". We need to start fighting them, winning, and filing counter suits to put the ACLU where they belong - the sewer where they came from. Folks just like them want to indoctrinate our children and even get inside our homes. That day might come soon, but it shouldn't happen without a fight. I, for one, WILL NOT cooperate.

SO:




Love In Christ,
Tom


Luke 2:7-14  NASB  And she gave birth to her firstborn son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. "This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."



 

AMEN brother

Love in Christ, Eva

Jesus is not just the babe in the manger for He has gone beyond the manger beyond the tomb and lives today and t the blood still flows for all men.  To keep Jesus in Christmas is to tell this dying world all year round that there is hope found in Jesus Christ alone

Merry is the hope in Jesus Christ our Lord

Mj

Amen Maryjane!

The entire TRUTH is much more beautiful. HE was GOD made manifest in the flesh and was Very GOD. HE arose from the dead and is our LIVING LORD and SAVIOUR! HE wasn't just a man, just a messenger, or just anything other than GOD THE ETERNAL CREATOR with no beginning and no end. HE is and was the ONLY Perfect, Holy, Righteous, and Acceptable Sacrifice. The CROSS is the biggest, most important, and most Precious event in human history. Many books have been written about what changed at the CROSS, but the Holy Bible tells the GOOD NEWS in a beautiful and perfect WAY.

JESUS CHRIST is the most written about in human history - rightfully so! HE willingly gave HIMSELF up to be crucified on the CROSS and is the ONLY way to rescue us from the curse of sin and death. The GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL OF GOD'S GRACE is still the most powerful and beautiful message ever given to mankind. HE LIVES!


1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

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For the past year my husband and I have been doing some interesting studies on christmas.  It's interesting to look at the origins of all the things we do at christmas. For years we put up trees, hang lights and ornaments on it, put presents under the tree, stand a santa claus up next to our nativity scenes with lights all over the yard and so on and so forth. (Did ya know that Jesus no longer was in a manger when the wisemen arrived, he was probably closer to 2 years old, and we do not know how many wisemen there was, the bible only mentions the three types of gifts). -that would make the nativiity scene not accurate(or a lie)
So why do we do all these things?  Where did all these traditions originally begin? Are these customs truely showing honor to Jesus (Yeshua)?
It has been said alot of these customs have pagan origins and Dec. 25th could no way be the Messiah's birth date  but it was the birthdate of pagan sun gods. If this is all true how did the name of Jesus get connected with this pagan festivity? And if all of these customs have pagan origins, isn't it wrong for christians to worship the Messiah in this way?
Has anyone else done a study on this? After doing much studying I sure see things alot different.

Seeking the truth~~~~Carla

Hi Carla,

Many religious festivities and symbols have been adopted by pagans for themselves, their festivities and beliefs and it is the same in the opposite. This in itself doesn't make them right nor does it make them wrong. They are traditions of men. It is what is in our hearts that makes the difference. Do we worship Jesus Christ in truth, from the love we have for Him in our hearts or do we worship Him in appearance only.

We were given the rainbow as a reminder of God's promise to mankind. It is now used to represent that which is an abomination to God. Do we forget the purpose for which God gave us the rainbow just because of this?

The cross is also a reminder of that which Jesus Christ did for us. Crosses themselves have no power but they are a wondrous reminder of the power and saving grace of God. Crosses are now also used for many various things by mankind. Should we forget what the cross represents?

God made all that is on the earth and it is good. He gave us all trees that are good to the sight. (Gen 1:29 and Gen 2:9 ) Should we worship these things as the pagans do? Definitely not. Those things have no power, it serves no purpose to worship or to pray to these things nor to hold them up above God. The only one worthy of worship is Jesus Christ, very God.

Can we use them to remind us of the wondrous things that God has done for us and His wondrous power? There is nothing wrong in doing so. We can also look around us daily at all that God has created and be reminded in just this same manner of God's wondrous power and His saving grace.



Col 2:6  As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
Col 2:7  Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10  And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11  In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13  And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Col 2:20  Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21  (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22  Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23  Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.



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A tree created by and decorated by God.

If what you say is true, Pastor, then this scripture has no meaning:


Yahweh himself said, "Thou shalt not do so (serve Him as the pagans serve their gods) unto Him.  In the very next verse He makes it quite clear that we are not to add to nor subtract from the commands that He gives us.


I'm not so sure I understand the position that says we can do as we please, even if it is contrary to the command of the Almighty, as long as it is "in our hearts" to serve Him.  It seems to me that if we are truly serving Him, then we will serve Him as HE pleases, not as it pleases us. 

Can you please provide me some scripture supporting that position?

And, by your own admission you call many religious festivities and symbols "the traditions of men."  December 25 was the birthday of pagan sun gods long before it was allegedly the birthday of the Messiah (Mithra being one).


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You quoted Colossians:


Going again back to Deuteronomy 12: 30-31 and also looking at Colossians 2:8, I fail to see where we have the right to do as we please when Yahweh specifically forbids us doing that. 

I can only assume that you were including Colossians 2:16 to say that it is alright.


Paul was speaking to the Colossians here, which were Gentiles.  If they were Gentile followers of the teachings of Messiah, they would have now been honoring Yahweh's holy days and sabbath's as the Messiah did (being Gentiiles, they would not have done this before conversion).  In this verse Paul is telling them not to let unbelievers judge them for now following Yahweh's instruction of the Torah, which as true followers of the Messiah they would now be doing.  That is what Paul did and that is what he would have taught them.  They were Gentile converts living in a Gentile society now following a Jewish Messiah.  I am sure they would have been ridiculed by non-believers for now following a new teaching.  Paul was teaching them to walk in the steps of the Messiah as he was, and don't let the unbelievers judge you for what you are doing.

Even setting all that aside, this verse in no way gives up permission to disregard what the Creator says and do things our way. 

Again, can you please provide me scripture supporting the viewpoint that we are free to do our will and not Yahweh's.

Still seeking the truth~~~~Carla

Never did I say that we are free to do our will and not that of our Lord and Saviour. Those are words that you are using and attempting to put on me.

Either you have misunderstood me or I did not make myself perfectly clear. Let me clarify just in case it was myself not making things clear (I do that sometimes by being to brief in my statements). Many Christians put other Christians down for celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ on Dec 25th. Should we not be celebrating Jesus everyday including Dec 25th? After all every day belongs to Him not just a select few. Or should we ignore Him that day because the pagans chose that day for their celebrations?

There are many arguments about which celebrations came first that have today become entwined together into one. The tree came from here ... the holly came from there .... the giving of gifts came somewhere else ...  Were not all things given to us by God?

Like wise there are many arguments that take place over when Christ was born. Some of those even have compelling "evidence" that Christ was born on Dec 25th. My point is what does it matter? It does not matter. We should give thanks to God daily celebrating the fact that Jesus Christ came to earth in the flesh, died on the cross and rose again the third day and He did this for us so that we may have eternal life. This is the message that we should be relaying to all.

Many people who work are given time off at Christmas. It is a sufficient amount of time that those that live far away can join with their families. It is a time that we can spend with them and to celebrate all that Christ has done for us.

Should we give any day over to the pagans as their day? Let us take the day of Christmas as well as all other days back to Christ in our lives. This is the message that is relayed to us in Col 2. In Paul's time there were those that were saying that you can't do this on this day but you have to do this on such and such day only.

Col 2:20  Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21  (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22  Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23  Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Hello Carla,

This is a meaningless issue for Christians who praise and worship The Living GOD and JESUS CHRIST on Christmas and every day. If you praise and worship pagan gods with a little "g" on any day, you need to research this and stop. JESUS CHRIST is the LORD of all days, and all days belong to HIM. I celebrate all days in HIS NAME, and all Christians should. I had a wonderful day in the LORD on Christmas, and I hope that you did also. In fact, the days before and after Christmas were pretty nice also, and pagans weren't invited.

If you are worshiping pagan gods on any day of the year, you need to research this and stop. My family doesn't worship pagan gods, so we don't have to research it or worry about it. Further, we didn't receive any pagan Christmas presents, but it was a great Christmas!



Luke 2:7-14  NASB  And she gave birth to her firstborn son; and she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn. In the same region there were some shepherds staying out in the fields and keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord suddenly stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them; and they were terribly frightened. But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. "This will be a sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger." And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."