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Hi Everyone,
I'm sure this will start another heated Debate...
Here's some Scripture that Backs me up on this...
John 5:
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
 
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

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John 6:

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

HAS the Last day came YET? NO!

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1 Corinthians 15:
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

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1 Thessalonians 4:
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven  with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

THIS HAS'NT happened YET!!
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Revelation 20:
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged  out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.  

13 And the sea gave up the dead  which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead  which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.  

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life  was cast into the lake of fire.

THIS has'nt happened Yet!
Who shall be left to raised from the dead, if we all go to judgment when we Die?
There not in Heaven YET, Thats a LIE..I think this scripture CLEARLY  shows the Truth of the Matter....

The Bible does tell us of a few that have Ascended to Heaven, Like:
Enoch, Elijah, the 500 or so souls that the Lord brought out of Hell with him and walked the streets of Jerusalem for about a month...
YLBD

Yes, this is a subject that has caused some considerable debate. It shouldn't reach the point of being all that heated though and it can be an excellent and beautiful study for those that wish to delve into it.

We know that the Bible does not contradict itself, that the only contradictions that man can find there are those conceived in their own minds and not ones that actually exist. We also know the verses that you gave are factual. Yet we see Paul telling us in 2 Cor 5 that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Through the gathering together of all of these verses on this subject and studying them in this manner this either means that when we die we immediately leave the fleshy body and are with Him or our souls sleep in that fleshy body until He comes to call us home.

Now consider this difficult thought. How can we be there in the fleshy body, asleep until He calls us home at the resurrection and still be absent from the body and with Him immediately?

Herein lies a miracle and a mystery to our meager understanding. Let us contemplate time for a little bit. What is time? It was designed by God for mankind. It is measured by the sun and moon. (Gen 1:14, Psa 104:19  ) In heaven there is no need for the sun or moon. (Rev 21:23 ) In the spiritual world there is no sun or moon. There is no time as we know it here on earth, in this world. There is only eternity. An immeasurable foreverness. Time will not matter.

Can we fathom this? If you are like me it is an overwhelming thought and one that is difficult to consider but that is the way many things are with God that only He can fully understand. Time is a stumbling block to many. It is the cause of non-believers to not comprehend a young earth and fall into the teachings of an old earth and old universe as it is their understanding of the speed of light versus time that causes this lack of understanding. When God created the heavens and the earth the laws of time and speed of light did not and still does not apply to Him. When He spoke those words "Let there be light" then light was where he wanted it and when He wanted it to be. It did not take the time of billions of years to get there.

In this world there may be thousands of years from the time a persons fleshy body dies and the time the Lord comes. Yet in the spiritual world it could be immediately, in the twinkling of an eye.

This is a difficult thing not only to understand but to explain also and perhaps my explanation is not the best one or the clearest. After all our minds are finite in their understanding where God is the opposite and all knowing and He can do things that we may never know or understand in this world. Does this make any sense to anyone else yet?

How can a Christian that has been fed to the Lions and eaten by several of them even have a FLESHLY body in the 1st place?
Or the ones that was used for human torches or the ones that have been creamated ? they have NO Flesh to rest in?
IS their any Flesh on those that have been in the seas for 1000's of years?
By what your saying: Everyone has there OWN Day of being Ressurected and given that body when they die,
That just ain't true Brother...
A Great number of people are gathered before him at the same time, NOT, one at a time as they die..
Also, If that was the case WHEN JESUS gives his SHOUT to call us, WE would go alone And not be called UP WITH
Those that are in the grave, seas, ect. ect. TOO MEET in the Clouds...

28 Marvel not  at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation..

This has'nt happened YET
I would think that just this would be enough to convince someone, AND do you really think that GOD would allow those that have died to watch the Evilness that is going on in the Earth & what evil their loved ones might be doing?
NO WAY, AND theirs NO Scripture that Backs that UP, Unless someones found some LOOPHOLES..
YLBD

No that isn't what I am saying. It goes back to the time question and we perceive it in our human mind and how it is not in the spiritual world.

As i said it is a very difficult concept to understand. Yes, we will all be resurrected at the exact same moment in time. Again, what is time? It is something that we are restricted to in the physical world. Time does not exist in the spiritual world.

Yes, we will all be resurrected at the exact same moment in time. Again,

By this statement do you agree then, That no one has been Ressurected yet then?

I'm alive in christ and i'm waiting to be called too meet those that have died in christ already in the Clouds..

I still don't understand what time has to do with people NOT being in Heaven Yet?
Your making this more complicated than what it is With this "Time" thing...

As far as a "time", IT will be in the End as God has said... not as one dies...
Circumsize your Hearts so you can understand WHAT the Spirit Says...
If you apply your spirit to the matter and not what you've learned from man or your own imaginatiions it becomes alot clearer..

Try reading those verses with your Heart and not your mind, It is what it says, Has'nt happened Yet....
It's only contraversial if someone does'nt believe those simple verses below...
And why? Big deal our Loved ones ain't their Yet!
Why does this offend so many people???
Sounds like a bunch of Democrats that baffle(BLIND) themselve with their own STUFF!
I Mean NO disrespect with my comments to anyone,
I just wanted to clairify the truth about this, and now you all know it, It's up to you if you want to believe it or not?
Your Loving Brother Duane




 

interesting..... also I have always wondered about this passage too....

Matthew 27: 52-53
and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;  and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

Perfect sense!  That's the best I've ever heard it explained.
So following your reasoning, if I am, then when we die - since spiritual time is not the same as human time - Armageddon may have already taken place.

Hi Tina,
This happened when Jesus rose from the dead on the 3rd day with many other people he brought out with him and many people witnessed this happening for about a month...
YLBD
P.S
If people keep trying to Annalize what God is saying by reading one or two verse at a time, you'll never figure it out...
Keep the whole chapter & what's going on in mind and you should be able to understand it better...

IF people start thinking that armeggedon has allready happened I'M OUTTA HERE!
The word of God is what it is and the verses i 've given are Quit Clear! I THOUGHT?
The Lord did'nt tell us to follow sensable Doctrine, BUT to follow SOUND Doctrine...
Show me some Scripture at least 1 that says their allready in Heaven,
I've only given you a few that back what i'm saying up and i have more of Gods Words About it...
I want to see Gods Words about this, Not Mans, Please...
YLBD
Remember that ALL this is being written down in the books and they will be opened and people will be Judged By them... so be careful Brothers & Sisters...

I think that you at least understand the complexity of this.


I see that you don't have the idea. Keep in mind that this physical world is not the same as the spiritual world. Things are completely different. There are no days, nights, weeks, months, years in the spiritual world, it is simply eternity. Whereas the physical world is constrained by time. Let me ask you some questions that may clarify what I am saying.

Do you believe that God is restrained by time?

Do you believe that there are no contradictions in the Bible?

How can the verses that you gave and the following verses be reconciled ( understood to be in agreement ) ?

 Luke 23:43 - The promise of Jesus that the thief who repented would be in Paradise with Him that same day.

2 Cor 5:8 - Paul clearly says that to be absent from the body (ie death) means being present with the Lord.

Phil 1:23 - Paul desired to depart (from this life through death) and be with Christ in Heaven.

1 Thes 4:13-17 - note vs 14.Jesus, when he returns from Heaven will bring the Christians with Him that have died. ie Believers that have died are currently in Heaven with Jesus and He will bring them when He returns

Heb 12:23 - specifically says that the spirits of righteous men are in the New Jerusalem (Heaven) already.

Rev 6:9-10, 7:9-14 - We see that those who have died during the tribulation are then seen to be in Heaven before the throne.

Do you believe that God is restrained by time?
Answer:
I think God is restrained to the things that he has put in a certain order....
So in a way, Yes i believe he is constrained to certain things until  ALL things are Fulfiled for his purposes,
Jesus said that "A day is a 1000 yrs & a 1000 yrs a day with God, True their is no end of time with God,
Hense the word "Eternity" . OTHER than that, NO GOD is not restrained of ANYTHING...ALL is done @ his will & timing.

Do you believe that there are no contradictions in the Bible?
Answer:
Absolutly! Their are NO contradictions in his Words to us,
I take every single word that is in it LITERAL & as Truth, Not just the words that make me Feel Good...

How can the verses that you gave and the following verses be reconciled ( understood to be in agreement ) ?

 Luke 23:43 - The promise of Jesus that the thief who repented would be in Paradise with Him that same day.
Answer:
By using this verse: Luke 23:43 - The promise of Jesus that the thief who repented would be in Paradise with Him that same day are you saying that the Lord did'nt Fulfill Prophecy, By not being in the Belly of the Earth for 3 days? That's what i get out of that verse, By itself
As we all know, Jesus Did'nt even ascend to Paradise until after the 3rd day, That's why his disciples was'nt allowed to touch him until he ascended, Then, as you know they were allowed to touch him when he came back, but Thomas was'nt their and you should know the rest of the Story about that?
What I get From the Whole Story is Because of his Faith in that Jesus was/is the Son of God, And that faith he showed on the cross had just saved him (that day), And I'm sure he was one of them that the Lord Brought out with him too...

2 Cor 5:8 - Paul clearly says that to be absent from the body (ie death) means being present with the Lord.
AMEN! I can't wait to be with him Physically not just SPIRITUALLY!

Phil 1:23 - Paul desired to depart (from this life through death) and be with Christ in Heaven.
Same as 2 Cor 5:8 above...

1 Thes 4:13-17 - note vs 14.Jesus, when he returns from Heaven will bring the Christians with Him that have died. ie Believers that have died are currently in Heaven with Jesus and He will bring them when He returns
Answer:
I'm sorry but you err in your interpitation here Brother, The Raptured Church, the 144,000 & those that died instead of taking the Mark of the Beast WILL reign with the Lord for those 1st thousand years, then Satan is let loose to gather from the 4 corners of the Earth & Gog & Magog too for 1 last time to come against us at Jerusalem and Fire
from God out of Heaven will Devour them... The Bible Clearly say's that the rest of the Dead does'nt live again until after this and that these will have no powers, but that they will live in the new Jerusalem with God And never leave it.
While others will Clearly go outside and fish & whatever else that God has for us, Things we can't even Imagine!


Heb 12:23 - specifically says that the spirits of righteous men are in the New Jerusalem (Heaven) already.
Answer:
Another Err, the New Jerusalem shall decend from Heaven and the waters that flow from it shall heal the land
and the Dead sea where man will fish..

What? How do you get people have already died and have risen from the dead by this?
 Heb. 12:23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Rev 6:9-10, 7:9-14 - We see that those who have died during the tribulation are then seen to be in Heaven before the throne.
Answer:
If you'll notice in Rev. 6:9-10 you see that"The souls(NOT Bodies) of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held"  These people have clearly been slain(KILLED), Not just died of natural causes and such as our families have died from, These ain't our relatives that have already died, if thats what you mean, by thay one..

Rev. 7:9-14
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Answer:
Our families that have died allready have nothing to do with those that have came out of the great tribulation that
man is about to go through

I Hope this Helps you in determing if I know what your talking about or Not?
And as far as this being Complexed, it's Not at All to me Brother and
I still hav'nt seen ANY Scripture to say otherwise...
YLBD

I see that you do understand what I was saying even if you don't realize it.


The portion of your statement that i highlighted says it all. As for that where you said that I erred is a matter of opinion on who has erred that I will not argue with you over.

All i can say Roger is I Love you as if you were my own Brother, and that won't change because of this...
In the End, we'll all know the truth and it won't matter anyway, Right?
I did'nt mean to cause any strife between us, I just wanted "anyone" to see it as it was revealed to me by scripture
when i was a little boy. (12 to be exact) You can believe me when i say, i've looked for other scripture that would show me othewise too.
YLBD
P.S
We are to clairify the word of god by one another at least by 2 & not argue the word of God,
Man i must be dumb, i didnt even realize we were arguing, I'M SORRY..

None of this will change my thoughts or feelings toward you either. All is as it has been ... love in the Lord as it should be. It is easy to get carried away with a subject that a person is passionate about and what better subject to passionate about than Jesus. Getting carried away in such a manner does not make one dumb.


2Cor 5:1-10 is the best study on this subject. Paul is talking about the difference between the physical body (our earthly house) and the spiritual (a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens).

God Bless You, Spoken like a true Brother would, I Thank You for that...
Whats to bad is it's to hard to know ones meanings and how to express ones self properly in this kind of forum
without being misunderstood or misunderstanding someone else sometimes...
YLBD

 

Yes that is a difficult thing. Written words do not have the rest that goes with understanding the intent or meaning.

btw, Speaking of not understanding what someone has written  ...   When I first noticed your YLBD it didn't dawn on me what it meant. I realize now it stands for "Your Loving Brother Duane" but when I first saw it I recognized it as a Hebrew word that means "two cakes" and I couldn't imagine why you would have "two cakes" there.   ;D ;D

Two cakes??!!  Can I have one?      (http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u173/MissMurder1303/thc16ecce5.gif)

OH never mind.  I want this one....


(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u136/Marchelena/700-477711t.jpg)

Why does this silly thing do this to me?  I even preview it and everything and sometimes I get this ol' dumb thing!
Good Grief

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u86/ashley0004_2007/thCharlieBrown.jpg)

YES!
YLBD for everyone!
Thank You Lord I Like that...
And Thank you for revealing that to me you guy's...

Oh!  And now the banner shows up.  Before it was some sort of photoshop ad that was showing!
Excuse me while I do an exorcisim on my computer!

Does anyone else see this?  One minute it's my cute little "I want cake" banner and the next it's a photobucket upgrade ad!

Oh just stand aside while I jump off the Cliffs of Insanity!

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/ashleyhollon_2007/2.jpg)

 ;D   ;D    ROFL!

Hello Grammyluv,

I don't know what Photobucket allows on bandwidth or what time frame they base it on. I have the pay account and have tons of graphics and photos there. I think it's $25 a year, and I didn't want to worry, especially about family photos. I know some folks with free accounts who have never seen that "bandwidth exceeded" message, but I guess it depends on how many people in a day view all of the graphics and photos you have posted in all locations.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Brothers and Sisters,

I want to add a couple of comments on this thread. First, let's step back about 10 paces and handle the most simple things first. There are some issues in this thread that involve long and complex Bible Study. Let's deal with the simple things first, especially what pertains to us.

So, here we go. I'm a Christian, and I know what will happen if I physically die before JESUS comes to Rapture HIS CHURCH. Here's what happens - plain and simple:

1 - I will be absent from the body and present with the LORD. The Scripture that provides proof for this is already posted in this thread.

2 - My current physical body is like a tent that I'm temporarily using in this short life. Flesh and blood can't inherit the things that GOD has waiting for Christians. In other words, my current physical body WILL NOT be going to Heaven. If the Rapture happens while I live, my physical body will be changed to a glorified body. If the Rapture happens after I die, my physical body will be resurrected and changed to a glorified body. I give thanks that I will be through with this flesh and blood body.

3 - I am NOT this current physical body that you see me currently using. I am the soul and spirit inside the body. My spirit is eternal, and that is me. I'm a Christian, so I belong to JESUS CHRIST. I only need this broken body for this short life, and I give thanks that GOD will give me a Glorified Body like the one JESUS CHRIST has. I don't want to take this body of pain to Heaven, and GOD has promised that we won't be.

So, the most important first step in understanding the issues in this thread is knowing that Christians only use these flesh and bone bodies in this life. Second, we must know that many Scriptures are NOT talking about the flesh and bone part of us. This flesh and bone physical body is part of the "OLD MAN" that won't be going to heaven. We wouldn't want it anyway compared to what GOD has waiting for us.

Let's stop right here for now and try to understand this first and most important FACT. Go back and read the Scriptures with this FACT in mind. If I die right now, I go to be with JESUS CHRIST right NOW, and I leave this body behind. GOD will give me a glorified body at HIS Appointed time, but I'm through with this weak, sick, and broken physical body I temporarily use right now. Forget any other issues like the Old Testament Saints right now and concentrate first on the simple things that deal specifically with us.

If a Christian physically dies before the Rapture, he or she is absent from the body and present with the LORD. Let's understand this first and not think of anything else, and then we'll go on.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Corinthians 5:5-8 NASB
Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord -- for we walk by faith, not by sight -- we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Well I'm so broke I can't pay attention.  I just have access to the free stuff and plain ol' dial up.  Maybe they are doing that to me after so many uses trying to get me to sign up or something.




No argument there.  I'm with ya brother!

By the way, you sure started something with your "polls" over there!  I guess I'm not the only one that can stir things up!
Cheers!
In Christ,
Grammyluv

You are too Funny.
YLBD

I have a free account with photobucket and so far I haven't seen that problem. I'm not saying it hasn't happened on mine, I just haven't seen it if it has. I wonder which code that you are using. Under each picture on the account there are four codes. I use the second one down from the top.

Amen. It couldn't have been better said and more simply put.

WHO  will be left to be ressurected from the dead IF you go to Heaven When you Die?

Let's stop right here for now and try to understand this first and most important FACT. Go back and read the Scriptures with this FACT in mind. If I die right now, I go to be with JESUS CHRIST right NOW, and I leave this body behind. GOD will give me a glorified body at HIS Appointed time, but I'm through with this weak, sick, and broken physical body I temporarily use right now. Forget any other issues like the Old Testament Saints right now and concentrate first on the simple things that deal specifically with us.

So if i get this right, After i die i'm floating around with God waitng for that Blink of an eye so all my family can come join me..OUGH BOY
The FACT is, THAT if everyone was to go to Heaven when they died there would be NO reason for the Ressurection of the dead GOOD or BAD...
Who would be left here to be called 1st & to meet us that are Alive in Christ, in the Clouds?
By your interpitation NO one would be left here to be called, Except for the ones Livng and waiting for his shout?
YLBD

Hello Brother Duane,

I know this isn't easy to understand. People are used to thinking in physical terms, and that's NOT the way GOD thinks.

You forgot part of the explanation I gave, so I'll repeat it. If I physically die before CHRIST Raptures HIS CHURCH, my physical body will be in a grave, BUT that isn't me. My physical body is dead but I'm not. I'm absent from the body and present with the LORD.

Here's an illustration that might help you understand. Many sea creatures have a shell. They leave those shells when they get too big for them, and they leave the shell behind. For Christians, our physical body is like that shell that we leave behind.

Let's assume my physical body has been in the grave for 10 years and CHRIST comes to Rapture the CHURCH. HE will resurrect my old body from out of that grave and change it to a glorified body. Those who are caught up alive will also be changed. Flesh and blood can't inherit the things that await us in Heaven. The Bible tells us that we will be given a Body like the one CHRIST has, but it doesn't give many details. Many places in the Bible speak of CHRIST as LIGHT. I've guessed that our Glorified Body might be light, but that's just a guess. All we really know is that it won't be flesh and blood.

Brother Duane, we think right now mainly in a physical way, and that's a very limited way of thinking. We think now mainly about what we can see, hear, feel, touch, and smell. These are extremely LIMITED senses compared to what we will experience for Eternity. We certainly don't understand everything, and we won't until GOD reveals them to us. We think like humans, and that's absolutely NOTHING compared to the way that GOD thinks.

Humans do mainly think in physical ways because that's what we know, BUT we don't know very much. As an example, you and I might say that we're citizens of the U.S., but we're NOT if we are Christians. Our citizenship is in Heaven - NOT this world. We know this is true, but do we understand it completely? If you're reading this from your house, you might think that you're home, but you're NOT HOME at all. This world isn't our home - we're just passing through as Christians. We also know this is the unquestioned TRUTH, but that doesn't mean that we completely understand it. We won't understand it until we get HOME. The real and complete TRUTH is more beautiful than human beings can comprehend.

Think about a few more things. As Christians, we are Children of the KING OF KINGS, but we're not HOME yet and we haven't been given our full inheritance. GOD keeps all of HIS Promises Perfectly. Being IN THE BODY OF CHRIST is just as REAL as being in this physical body. One is temporary and one is Eternal.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Philippians 3:20-21 NASB
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;  who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

1 Corinthians 12:27 NASB
Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it.

Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB
I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Ephesians 4:4-6 NASB
There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

Believe me i can & do differincuate between Spirit and Physicalness of the Word,
This isn't my 1st rodeo Brother :)
I think i know were your trying to come from, However, the use of the word "Grave"here, MUST be taken as Spiritual!
BECAUSE,
Some Christians dont have phyical bodies to be ressurected on that day, Some ended up coming out of the back end of Lions,
some cut in peices and scattered, Burnt to ashes, some have been put in the oceans & seas during wars and were eaten by hundreds of sharks...
And these are the ones that are spoken of when it was said that the sea shall give up it's dead ect. ect. ect.
YLBD
To me it's very easy to understand because i dont think in the Physicalness of his Words And I've searched through the Spirit with long suffering and Fasting & in Prayer the deep & mysterious  things of God for over 35 yrs. Now...
When I was a Littleboy and allready had 4 differant dads & live on welfare with drunken godless mother that helped in devouring me,ect. ect. ect.
I NEVER ONCE ASKED GOD to send me a good dad that would'nt beat me or my little sisters or that I would like some Good Food, Mustard sandwiches are getting old.. NO NOT ONCE!!
ALL's I HAVE EVER ASKED HIM FOR is knowledge in his Words and Wisdom of his Secrets.
Wait i'll look in my Bible and tell you Exactly what i've always prayed for: Knowledge, Guidence, truth & wisdom...
Let's see here, I was 10 years old and i'm still the same Littleboy...
Thank You Father
YLBD

The Lord made Adam from dust, I am sure that He can raise our physical bodies no matter what condition they are in. We know that it is a resurrection of the physical body. Otherwise there would not have been the need to say that we would then be given a glorified body.

Oh!  I was using the bottom one because it's supposed to be for boards.  Silly Grammy.  I'll try your idea!

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Hello Brother Duane,

You're thinking like a human being again. GOD doesn't need a grave and all the parts of a dead person's body put neatly in it. If I was blown up in outer space with a nuclear bomb, GOD could resurrect my body. It wouldn't make any difference if someone's body was in 10 million pieces or dust - GOD can resurrect it. This is a problem you don't need to concern yourself with. GOD said that HE would, and HE Will. It isn't your problem to decide how GOD will do it. GOD is the CREATOR - HE said HE Will do it - and we can consider it DONE! So, here's something else we can mark off our list to worry about. In fact, we can mark all things like this off our list that we don't understand and simply say, GOD does as HE pleases in Heaven and on earth. HE doesn't have any limits.

NOW - we're back to where we were before. At the Rapture, the dead in CHRIST will rise first, and HE WILL most definitely resurrect them. It isn't our problem to figure out how. GOD said HE would, and HE can and WILL!

Now we're back to studying the Holy Bible with FACTS that GOD gives us. If we get to a point we don't understand, we stay there and keep studying until we do. While we are studying, we MUST never doubt the POWER of GOD and the absolute FACT that HE always keeps HIS Promises.

Brother Duane, if we think that we have to understand everything for it to be true, we would never get beyond Genesis 1. GOD told us how HE CREATED the universe and man, but do we understand it? Our choice is to believe GOD or say it isn't true. I BELIEVE GOD! The Rapture will happen exactly as GOD describes it whether we understand it or not. We should never limit GOD with our little human brains. HE is the ALMIGHTY - I AM - THE CREATOR, and we are simply part of HIS Creation. So, the first big step is to believe GOD and forget about our limits as human beings. They don't apply to GOD!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi Brother
I don't disagree with you on God being able to ressurect a body that does'nt have any form anymore...

"NOW - we're back to where we were before. At the Rapture, the dead in CHRIST will rise first, and HE WILL most definitely resurrect them. It isn't our problem to figure out how. GOD said HE would, and HE can and WILL! by brother Tom"

I think this is in the Bible so we could know WHEN not HOW? how explains itself....
I,ve never tried to fiqure out HOW, "That" will come with a Shout from our Lord, BUT, WHEN and when has'nt happened yet, Spiritually or Physically, because that does'nt happen until he gives his shout..

And i think I understand what you've been saying: when we die our Phys. body stays here and our Spiritual body go's to the Lord and when the Rapture Happens, He'll raise our phys. bodies & our Spiritual Bodies that are with him already and put them together and create a new being such as a light or some other things, i think i've read you say.
Is this what your trying to tell me?

Don't you remember that Jesus, had his Disciples touch him AFTER he was ressurected from the Dead....
and said handle me for I AM flesh and Bones and NOT a Spirit and that he would drink & eat with them again in  Heaven, and Just before he ascended for the last time that were told of in the Bible, and after he just gave food to them, that HE cooked for them by the way...
I go and prepare a place for you and i will come BACK for you, AND if it was NOT so, I would HAVE TOLD you...
YLBD

Roger, Roger!  I mean, "Copy that."

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The Bible tells us that we will be given a Body like the one CHRIST has, but it doesn't give many details. Many places in the Bible speak of CHRIST as LIGHT. I've guessed  that our Glorified Body  might be light, but that's just a guess. All we  really know is  that it won't be flesh and blood.
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I THINK I'LL BELIEVE JESUS ON THIS ONE BROTHER,  this is so you don't have to GUESS,
You will have a physical body that eats & drinks and that can apear & disapear JUST as our Lord Did and Does...
This Scripture speaks for it's self and needs no debate from me any longer
Luke 24:
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself  stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed  that they had seen a spirit.  
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit  hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not  for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?  

42 And they gave him a piece  of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might  understand the scriptures,  

YLBD

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 NASB
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O  DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.

Hello Brother Duane,

Maybe you're confusing Heaven with the Millennial Kingdom on earth. I don't know, but I'm through trying to explain it to you. Go back to the basics and read it for yourself. If you're reading something other than the Bible that has you all confused, throw it away and start over with just the Bible. I say this because I've seen what had to be deleted. I'll state the plain truth from the Bible, and you can take it or leave it.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Timothy 2:15 NASB
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
 

Hi Littleboy.
I can understand the verses that are convincing you of what you obviously so strongly believe.  I think that the Lord appeared, after he rose again, in human form to prove to the finite human minds that He truly had risen.  And he stayed that way for the 40 extra days that he was on earth appearing to many.  He couldn't appear as a spirit could he?
However once he ascended into Heaven that changed.  Read John's description of the Lord in Revelation.

In Christ,
Grammyluv

Let me add a little to that.  If Jesus had appeared in his glorified body on earth can you imagine the panic that would've caused the population?  The Pharisees and others that were against Him would've probably claimed that there was a demon terrorizing the countryside.  He would not have been approachable either.  No, he had to appear as the Jesus that everyone KNEW in order to prove that it was He and that He was alive and risen.

In Christ,
Grammyluv

You can see from the verses that you have used here, how afraid they were anyway.  Their human minds still had a hard time comprehending that Jesus had risen.  They had all seen him die and buried.  As it was, in his human form again, it was unbelievable that He was actually standing with them ALIVE again.  He had to show them His wounds, etc in order for them to believe that it was really Him.

Now if you read John's description of Jesus in Revelation, Jesus appreared totally different.  He is in "God" form now and totally terrified John so that he fell down.  Jesus could hardly have appeared on earth that way now could he?
Do you see where I going with this, my friend?
I don't know if this will help you but I hope it does.

In Christ,
Grammyluv