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Title: God's children
Post by: ludwig on September 10, 2007, 05:37:30 AM
Are unbelievers God's children?


Title: Re: God's children
Post by: Shammu on September 10, 2007, 07:10:35 AM
Are unbelievers God's children?

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers [do not make mismated alliances with them or come under a different yoke with them, inconsistent with your faith]. For what partnership have right living and right standing with God with iniquity and lawlessness? Or how can light have fellowship with darkness?

Unbelievers are still living in spiritual darkness. Children are more responsible than unbelievers, since they are heirs of the promise. In the covenant of grace, they are hidden from God's wrath.


Title: Re: God's children
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 10, 2007, 07:26:39 AM
Hi chiachoonyang,

Welcome to Christians Unite.

When sin first entered into this world it separated mankind from God. They became children of the world. Those that accept Christ as their Saviour become children of God. We are again united with Him through the body of Jesus Christ.


Rom 9:8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


Gal 3:26  For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Gal 4:3  Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:4  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5  To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6  And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7  Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.



Title: Re: God's children
Post by: ludwig on September 10, 2007, 12:30:42 PM
thank you dreamweaver and pastor roger
I have no quarrel with scripture.  only I am troubled by 2 thoughts (1) all human beings are created in His image (2) the prodigal son though he left his father's house he never lost his sonship.  His father loved him though separated.  Romans 8 does not allow anything to separate human beings from God's love - even unbelief. unbellief separates the human being from felllowship with God not His love.  All along I have accepted the uncontroversial and safe stand that unbelievers are not children of God until they are saved.  I am beginning to question that. 


Title: Re: God's children
Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 10, 2007, 12:42:00 PM
Although God still loves all men and would have that all men be saved He is separated from those that that reject Him. It is their choice by which they are separated, their choice to stay in sin. As with the prodigal son, the son was separated from his father (the father had nothing to do with him, in fact disowned him) until the son chose to return.



Title: Re: God's children
Post by: nChrist on September 10, 2007, 02:21:04 PM
thank you dreamweaver and pastor roger
I have no quarrel with scripture.  only I am troubled by 2 thoughts (1) all human beings are created in His image (2) the prodigal son though he left his father's house he never lost his sonship.  His father loved him though separated.  Romans 8 does not allow anything to separate human beings from God's love - even unbelief. unbellief separates the human being from felllowship with God not His love.  All along I have accepted the uncontroversial and safe stand that unbelievers are not children of God until they are saved.  I am beginning to question that. 


Hello chiachoonyang,

Your answers are throughout the entire Holy Bible, so there shouldn't be any doubts at all. There is a Heaven and there is a Hell most certainly, and people will spend eternity in one or the other according to the Promises of Almighty GOD. If you doubt this, you would have to doubt the majority of the Holy Bible. If you believe that the Bible is GOD'S WORD, there is NO doubt. Countless portions of Scripture tell sinful men how to be Saved from the Eternal curse of sin and death. You could also forget about JESUS CHRIST being crucified on the Cross because there would be nothing for sinful men to be rescued from. However, countless portions of Scripture do speak of two Eternal outcomes:  Heaven for those who belong to CHRIST and the fires of Hell for those who have rejected CHRIST. It's really just this simple if you accept GOD'S WORD. If you reject GOD'S WORD, you will find out in a most personal way if you physically die in your rejection.

2 Peter 3:3-13 NASB  Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation." For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: God's children
Post by: nChrist on September 10, 2007, 02:26:20 PM

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!