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Title: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: Shammu on September 09, 2007, 12:49:18 AM "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children
Walter Ka Nkosi Nelspruit - The lawyer of a self-proclaimed pastor who fathered three children with his own daughter said the court would not be doing any justice by convicting the man because his daughter had agreed to become his wife. The lawyer pointed out that the 50-year-old pastor, who cannot be named to protect his daughter's identity, had given the girl's mother R2 500 as lobola. He said neither the girl nor her mother were made to do anything against their will. The man's family listened quietly to the proceedings when he appeared in the Nelspruit Regional Court on Monday. The State is calling for the pastor's conviction, accusing him of having raped his daughter. In his testimony, the father said God had come to him in his dreams to tell him that he should fulfill his promise as a "descendant of Benjamin". He testified that he slept with his daughter so that she could "see the kingdom of Heaven" when she died. He said he had never heard the word "incest" until he appeared in court and that he'd never seen the word in his own Bible. He said a man like him would not sleep with his daughter unless it was for religious reasons. The accused quoted many Bible verses in an attempt to back up his plea of innocence. He said that in the Bible, Lot impregnated his two daughters, but was not held responsible. He said the Bible was clear and that when he wanted to communicate with God, he would go to the mountains and pray for two days without water or food. The man has pleaded not guilty to incest and seven counts of rape. He is accused of sexually abusing his daughter between 1998 and 2006, since she was 13 years old. She is now 22 years old and has three children aged seven, four and three. The man also has three sons with his wife. His daughter dropped out of school in 2003, when she was in Grade 8. According to the girl and her mother's evidence they were both made virtual prisoners in their house in KaNyamazane outside Nelspruit where their father ran a "church" and preached about the end of the world, or Armageddon. The father was arrested in February last year. Paternity tests have been done to confirm if he is the father of his daughter's three children. "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2176888,00.html) Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: Shammu on September 09, 2007, 12:51:28 AM Leviticus is very clear about not having sex with next of kin. We are to test the spirits before we accept things that aren't biblical. We are suppose to search the Word daily.
Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: David_james on September 09, 2007, 10:09:19 AM He said that in the Bible, Lot impregnated his two daughters, but was not held responsible. Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 09, 2007, 05:04:22 PM Even then he was indeed held responsible.
Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: David_james on September 09, 2007, 05:59:49 PM Even then he was indeed held responsible. I have to read it again because I thought he passed out and did not know about it Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 09, 2007, 06:38:24 PM He was drunk and did not know about at least not until later. The very name of one of his daughters sons would give call to know. Moab means from the mother’s father. Ben-ammi the leader of the tribe of Ammon. Ammon means inbred. This story shows us that even though he was able to withstand the temptations of Sodom he still fell to sin (drunkenness) when (with the exception of his family) he was alone and let down his guard. We are not told exactly what happened to Lot after that. The last mention of him was in Gen 19:36 "Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father" although his descendent's are mentioned frequently throughout the Old Testament, most normally in a negative light.
Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: David_james on September 09, 2007, 06:57:53 PM oh so the sin was drunk and not incest?
Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: Shammu on September 09, 2007, 07:04:07 PM oh so the sin was drunk and not incest? Yes and for disobeying God.Genesis 19:22 Make haste and take refuge there, for I cannot do anything until you arrive there. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. Genesis 19:30 And Lot went up out of Zoar and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him, for he feared to dwell in Zoar; and he lived in a cave, he and his two daughters. Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: Soldier4Christ on September 09, 2007, 07:09:54 PM His being drunk allowed for the sin of incest to overcome him. We see today where people try to use the excuse of being drunk to excuse them for the sins that they commit while being drunk. "I was drunk so I didn't know what I was doing when I murdered that person." See what I mean?
Title: Re: "Pastor" to wed own daughter, mother of his children Post by: David_james on September 09, 2007, 09:30:23 PM His being drunk allowed for the sin of incest to overcome him. We see today where people try to use the excuse of being drunk to excuse them for the sins that they commit while being drunk. "I was drunk so I didn't know what I was doing when I murdered that person." See what I mean? I do |